>252+ Atk Delibird Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Torterra: 304-360

Yeah, it' called a 4 times weakness. Kartana could be killed by a sunkern. Your point?

>>32311693
torterra sucks

0+ Atk Torterra Rock Tomb vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Delibird: 384-452 (130.6 - 153.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>32311712
delibird is faster

>>32311706
Now, that's just a lie.

>>32311733
>What is focus sash?

>>32311733
>43.8% chance to OHKO
>guaranteed OHKO

>252+ Atk Geodude Rock Throw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 264-312 (91 - 107.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
articuno has more bulk, how will delibird even compete

>>32311746
an item that delibird can use as well
>>32311747
sure, let's change delibird's ability to hustle

>>32311749
So Torterra is worse than Geodude
But we already knew that.

>0+ Atk Pidgeot Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 312-368 (106.4 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Infernape is bad

>0+ Atk Machoke Low Kick (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 212-252 (57.1 - 67.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Empoleon is bad

>>32311784
>comparing Pidgeot and Delibird
>guaranteed 2HKO
You are not even trying.

>>32311792
>literally no investment
>empoleon gets outsped and 2shot
(you)

252+ Atk Choice Band Torterra Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 326-384 (85.5 - 100.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Delibird Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 400-472 (104.9 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>32311784
Infernape IS bad, though. Empoleon, Fecidueye, and Chesnaught are the only good starters.

I hate how there are so many autists in this fandom that shit like this ass of a thread keeps getting made