>gets a physical based ha >is a special attacker >gets

>>32219581
>Defiant
>physical based HA
why, because intimidate?

>>32219581
Empoleon is already pretty good desu

>>32219599
Kek

Defiant's never going to be replaced with Competitive, isn't it?

The only thing Empoleon needs is roost.

>special attcker
while his base spa is the higher stat, it doesn't has access to nasty plot; it does, hoowever, has access to SD
>physical steel moves
so what? steel is shit offensively.
>physical ice moves
big deal, its not like it get stabs on those or anything.
>has to rely on old gens HM and move tutors to be useable
most pokemons needs prev gens variaty to show their entire potential.

>>32219847
>no need for physical ice coverage
What is garchomp
What is landorus
What is any bulky ground/grass type

>>32219861
im not saying ice is bad
im saying water isn't ice. dont try to play it as something it isn't.

also remember:
ground is weak to water
and natural stab i still scary when boosted by SD

>>32219861
I was going to reply seriously but if you really think Torterra is one of the main issue of Empoleon I'll just give your >(you) and move on.

Weird that it doesn't get Iron Head via move tutor. Not that it would help all that much.

>>32219581
>he

>>32219883
He meant either ground OR grass types.

Learn to read.

>>32219581
>no physical Steel moves
>learns Steel Wing already
I won't lie, it'd be cool to see it learn Anchor Shot.
I dunno if it really needs it, but thematically I think it could work, being an aquatic Steel-type.

You could use Defiant and Anchor Shot to shut down Intimidate-users who repeatedly switch out, and on a physical mon, it's a bit more reliable than Whirlpool. Landorus is still a problem, but Arcanine basically neutral.

Then just give it a Z-move that works like an improved Aqua Jet, and goodbye Landorus.