>Give a pokemon a great design, great cry, solid stats >Fuck

Could be worse. At least it's not Archeops.

>>32172050
they're basically the same

golisopod is arguably worse because he literally cannot function with sneaky pebbles up

>>32172042
The tiny dragonball shoes trigger me a bit in the design

>>32172042
With the right build it can take fucking forever to actually make him exit
And in some cases it helps since you can control what you switch into

This thing really needed Huge Power.

>>32172102
Anon, I know you're meming, but even pressure would be better than this shit. I'd take Unnerve or some other useless ability over it any day.

>>32172102
lmfao

>>32172117
Don't worry. It will get Cursed Body next gen.

>>32172042
>Seriously, how do you mess up this bad?
Be Gamefreak

>>32172128
Source: My uncle is Nintendo.

>>32172128
Please. Anything. Even gengar's shitty new ability is better than this.

>>32172042
>>32172142
It's integral part of its design, you fucking idiot, and you can use it to your advantage as well.

Every time I come on /vp/ I see someone complain about a pokemon, and 99% of the time it's a dumb remark that shows an absolute lack of understing of videogame mechanics and design. Do the world a favor and off yourself.

They just need to switch when Emergency Exit and Shields Down activate. EE should go at the end of a turn. SD should work as soon as it hits 50%.

>>32172208
>EE should go at the end of a turn
this
this so much
this so motherfucking much

>>32172166
You're the one without an understanding of the mechanics or the meta. Do you really think stealth rock isn't going to be up most of the time? You can't even send in this massive pile of garbage if they exist. It's also got a horrible typing for a meta where virtually everything resists bug and those that are weak to water outspeed it and fucking eject it.

>>32172042
>First Impression
>Aqua Jet
>Sucker Punch

Also, it can go in last if you're that scared of Emergency Exit.

Holy shit, just stop with this meme. Emergency Exit may not be a Huge Power-tier ability but it is not 100% bad.

Golisopod is my favorite but Emergency Exit fits his design perfectly (From fleeing because he is a wimp to "H-hey guys, I'm switching out but it is not because I'm still a wimp or anything") and I don't want it to change anytime soon.

>>32172208
The obvious solution. Too bad GF never goes for that. I'm honestly shocked this stupid ability made it past testing without getting that change.

I can't wait for Generation VIII HA Golisopod with Psychic Surge.

>>32172228
It's not a huge power-tier ability and shouldn't be, but it also shouldn't be a truant-tier ability, either. Especially with Golisopod's stats, which aren't even that great and its typing, which is pretty bad.

>>32172042
Not every pokemon has to be super competitively viable. I have had a lot of fun and success with golisopod in the battle tree super doubles, where emergency exit actually shines as an ability.

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>>32172245
They gave Jellicent Damp, don't underestimate their stupidity

>>32172262
I mean, it doesn't have to be ULTRAVIABLE or whatever, I don't want to lose an entire pokemon on my team if the opponent has a single layer of spikes up

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>>32172277

>>32172299
And shedinja is fucking garbage too, see?

>Literally a kabuto warrior
Doesn't get Battle Armor

>>32172166
^ idiot
>>32172219
^has a better idea of what they're talking about
>>32172228
^it can fit the design without being a good ability, anon

>>32172219
>The meta
>Do you really think stealth rock isn't going to be up most of the time?
>horrible typing for a meta

Pokemon aren't arbitrarily created to fit in a competitive meta, you fucking moron. Not everything as to be an A++ OU pick.

>>32172357
You were talking about it like it could be good, which it absolutely cannot. Maybe against friends or in PU, but as it stands it can't compete against the pokemon most people use.

>>32172317
Battle Armor would be GOAT. Bulk Up, Iron Defense, Leech Life, Scald, etc gives it walling potential. Even provides utility with Taunt and Spikes.

The ability is often a liability in comp, but it was great fun to use during my playthrough. The AI never puts up sneaky pebbles and Golisopod learns Aqua Jet through breeding, making his low speed irrelevant.

It was also great for getting safe switch-ins. Switch a 70% Golisopod into an attack that brings it below 50% and you can switch something squishy like a Gengar in even on attacks the Gengar wouldn't have survived.

Has anyone tried Golisopod + Araquanid in doubles?
Araquanid can give Golisopod Water Bubble with Entrainment. A STAB Aqua Jet coming from Golisopod's attack stat with Water Bubble sounds crazy strong and it'd get rid of the unwanted switches too.

>>32173023
the other player would probably focus on Golisopd to trigger emergency exit
maybe with a bulky slow mon with volt switch or u-turn who can eat the attacks, then change into golisopod and then recieve watter bubble from aranquid

>>32172042
>Replace its ability to one that forces the opponent to switch out when Golisopod reaches 50% HP, but the ability, like Disguise, only works once per match

fixed

>>32172042

They're afraid of making another Gyarados

>>32173289
they made sharpedo and feraligatr, so that can't be it

Emergency exit was the final breaking point where I realized abilities like run away or tangled feet are okay abilities. Yeah you might never get to see them work in battle, and are pretty much useless. But at least it doesn't fuck up your pokemon and force it into using a single set.

I understand the priority nature set is around and some people say it's not bad. But they should of at least given the poor thing inner focus as a hidden ability or something, just so you could try different sets.

>>32173378
>make a priority based pokemon
>release it at the same time as a priority preventing terrain
rly makes u think

>>32173289

It should've been bug/dragon with weak armor

>>32172082
imagine having shit taste and being that anon that posts this in every golisopod thread

>>32172227
in tapu lele the meta where everything resists bug

>>32173474
>bug is resisted by 7 types
can't make this shit up

>>32173420
>make a bunch of weather related mons
>in the gen they nerf weather

>>32172228
>cucking you out of your turn
>not bad
>implying that Golisopod is not a living joke
Make his ability activate at the end of the turn and he gets a milion times better

>>32172166
>It's integral part of its design
Yeah sure but take another look at its design. Those TOUGH CLAWS and BATTLE ARMOUR sure are INTIMIDATEing. I wonder if that SHELL ARMOUR is BULLETPROOF? It definitely looks very STURDY at least. I doubt many pokemon can withstand the SHEER FORCE of its attacks, I'm sure it must be very UNNERVEing to face. It doesn't look like the coward it once was, its a more STEADFAST creature now. One look at those COMPOUND EYES and you can tell its got GUTS. I also hear Golisopod likes to meditate underwater, I'm sure to improve it's INNER FOCUS. Since it spends so much time underwater, i wonder if it's a SWIFT SWIMmer?

The irony is that Golisopod is fairly commonly used in cart tournaments and is one of the more used Pokemon in online.

Same for Araquanid and a bunch of other apparently terrible Pokemon, a lot of them are in high ranking tournament positions. Although, megas are banned in most of these.

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>>32173604
hehe

>>32173604
Just when I was about to think "Fuck this place.", I read this post. Thank you anon.

>>32173604
This is a good post

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>people using this shitmon instead of the infinitely superior priority buge

literally why

>all Pokemon must be designed with 100% viability in mind

This is a RPG with 800 characters, not a fighting game.

>>32172082
I don't know why GF gives pokemon that awful mono-nail foot. Nidoking suffers from the same thing.

I think Golisopod would be improved with kabutops-like feet

>>32172317
Battle Armor and Tough Claws would both be great fitting abilities for Golisopod. Hell, you could run defensive sets with BA, and offensive sets with TC

>>32173604
Also, there is literally, LITERALLY an ability called Rattled for easily scared mons

Game Freak is stupid

ps: good post anon

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>>32173604
Holy shit, you just BTFO him harder than Sakurai BTFOing annoying idiots.

>>32173461
Really? I posted this once before, is it a common complaint? nice

>>32172042
RunBug is not bad. Is just being badly used.
His Exit ability triggers at the end of turn.
He has access to Giga Impact.
When opponent is going to drop you below 50%, use Giga Impact.
Deal 150 power hit backed by 125 base attack.
Say goodbye to whatever forces your switch.
Get out of cool down free.

>we finally get a fully evolved water/bug pokemon
>GF slaps it with a crippling ability
>GF slapped a pokemon with average BST with a crippling fucking ability
This is indefensible.

>>32175226
Reminder that Araquanid is best water/bug

>>32175224
Emergency exit triggers as soon as he reaches below 50% HP, not when the turn ends. In that situation he would be switched out forcefully before being able to use giga impact

>>32175246
>doesn't even have sticky web

original Water/Bug Surskit a best

>>32172042
>emergency exit doesnt force the opponent to leave

they were so close

The ability works into his gimmick move, which is fine. Unfortunately incognito ore ruins him, but really, covert sediment ruins everything.

What really is unforgivable is not having Emergency Exit trigger at the end of turn.

>>32175246
Both Araquanid and Golisopod see high tournament use actually. Just not on Smogon.

>>32175266
Golisopod is the niche case of a Pokemon that is actually more fucked and ruined by sneaky pebbles than even 4x weak mons. That really shows that Emergency Exit will always, no matter what, be a gigantic detriment to Golisopod.

>>32175280
Both are RU, Araquanid is amazing in VGC this year though

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>>32172357
>thread about competitive
>complain about the pokemon is bad in the meta
>F-FUCK YOU, NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE META

>>32175293
Yeah, it's often in the top 6 teams.
Golisopod isn't as high as it but it usually makes the top 30 Pokemon in tournaments.

>>32172050
>>32172068
What would be worse: Golisopod with Defeatist or Archeops with Emergency Exit?

>emergency exit forces you out after golisopod has attacked.

OU?

>>32175394
Defeatist Golisopod by a long shot. EE Scarf Archeops becomes a godly pivot with Base 140 attack, Base 110 Speed boosted by Scarf. Hilariously enough, you might be able to trigger Emergency Exit through Head Smash recoil. The thing with Defeatist Golisopod is that it at least has Swords Dance and the bulk accompanied to setting it up, so it could at least negate Defeatist.

>>32175293
It's weird seeing all the people discussing how terrible it is on smogon when Golisopod makes the most used online tournament Pokemon rankings and Araquanid is a champion that is present on many VGC real life competitions.

Smogon is a wild, wild place.

>>32174443
>charmander used ember

>>32175490
>Golisopod makes the most used online tournament Pokemon rankings
What do you mean?

>>32175500
It was #26 most used in the latest online competition. Oddly beating out Buzzwole, which is #30.
It also has made the top 30 in some of the other tournaments.

>>32175394
Still Golisopod

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Okay Gentlemen. How do we make Golisopod viable?

>>32175522

New toy syndrome

>>32172042
As my grandpa used to say, "If it ain't working, you're using it wrong."

>>32175592
Not quite, it's been pretty consistent and it's been several months. The cart meta is just better for it and Araquanid, especially since Megas are usually banned in competitions.

>>32172823
You could sac any old shit for the same end result

>>32175585
Give it any other ability than Emergency Exit. That's pretty much it, it has all the right stats and it has Swords Dance. It's slow as shit but it has priority STAB plus Sucker Punch.

Using a Wimpod/Golisopod in my playthrough really shone a light on how shitty Emergency Exit is. Gamefreak has handicapped Pokemon like Slaking and Archeops with shitty abilities but then they go and allow Mega Rayquaza to Mega Evolve without holding an item.

>>32175663
honestly, I think GF didn't even mean for emergency exit to be a crippling ability
I think they just designed it with the gameplan "switch in, first impression/leech life, eject" in mind but it just doesn't work with lele running rampant and bug being fucking dogshit offensively

>>32175714
also weakness to pebbles is what kills its viability the most

>>32175585
Emergency Exit activates below 25% hp

>>32175999

>stealth rock death sentence

>>32175592
I've used it on SM online with different items, and it's considerably more successful than playing Smogon. Not one I'd pick over Araquanid for my bug/water, but still works much better on the game than on smogon's simulator.

>>32175394
Archeops with Emergency Exit would be fucking awesome.

>>32176060
it's because of sneaky pebbles

the access to them in cartridge play is significantly restricted since it hasn't been a tm since gen 4

>>32176060
I remember the first battle competition SM had.

Golisopod killed Greninja 125% of the time. 100% 1v1 and another 25% when it scared the opponent into not bringing it.

>>32172042
But it's not a bad ability you sub-1400 shitters.

Slap a life orb on it and give it some hazard removal, and you've got an amazing mon. Great bulk, high attack, and its speed gets circumvented by its powerful priority moves.

>>32176107
Probably, but sitrus pod worked well enough there, since it eats the berry before EE activates and negates it most of the time. Not the best set I've used though, very situational.
>>32176122
Yeah I've noticed that too, Ash Greninja especially.

>>32176155
Considering the fact that Dark is weak to Bug, Ash Water Shuriken, even with boosted proiorty, is just a Water type move, and the defenses are not that good vs. 90 BP with a huge attack; Golisopod almost always kills it.

>>32176189
One of those times when bug can actually do some good offensively.

>>32172042
how is it bad when you can get a STAB move in twice you fucking retard

>Golisopod now doesnt switch out till the end of the turn
Is he viable now

>>32176149
Adamant or Adamant?
Is life orb necessary or can I try to squeeze a couple more hits by wearing an Assault Vest?

>>32173604
Thank you. Wimpod is a wimp, EE for an ability makes sense.

But Golisopod? It's the Gyarados of the generation. This thing looks like it could break your fucking neck in half.
It's toughened up thanks to its trainer's patience and willingness to work with it. The trainer gives it the courage to stop running away and actually fight back.

There's no reason for Golisopod--literally a goliath-sized bug--to still keep running away during battle.

>>32176256
>Adamant or Adamant?

Not sure if you were joking, but yes, adamant nature.

>Is life orb necessary or can I try to squeeze a couple more hits by wearing an Assault Vest?

You could try, but it's not really necessary. He appreciates the power much more. Besides, using life orb gives you pivoting opportunities thanks to his ability. For example, if you're at 55% HP and you're opponent sends in a counter, use a priority move to get a little bit of damage (even if its ineffective), and the life orb recoil will make you switch out and allow you to get an easy switch.

>>32172316
>garbage
>was one of the factors that lead to the dugtrio suspect
lol?

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>>32173604
>mfw this post

>>32172166
>>32173604
REKT

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>>32173604

>>32172577
>Iron Defense
get out verlisfag

>>32175224
>running giga impact
yes lets run a terrible normal move on a mon that doesnt get a stab boost from it while also not adding anything to its coverage
fuck off cunt

>>32175280
Golisopod sees no use in VGC you crazy motherfucker please fact check before posting your dumb ass-ery

>>32172102
Swift Swim or Guts

>>32174443
>uses the exact same four moves
I don't see a difference between the two.

All they had to do was make EE activate at the turn's end instead of as soon as it hit 50% and it'd be fine

would that really be such an issue GF come on

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>>32173604
Someones gotta screencap this

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>>32180158
steel is a better offensive type
steel/bug is a much better defensive type
scizor can u turn
scizor doesn't lose 1/4th of its healthy every time it switches in
scizor isn't forced to fuck off every time it gets tapped
scizor can roost

scizor used to be OU since this gen, where he's top tier UU while golisopod is a RU shitmon

>>32174443

>UU

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>>32179306
I suggest you do the same.

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>>32180615
That's not VGC, it was battle Spot singles with most good Pokémon missing

>>32181025
The reply you responded to simply mentioned "tournament" not specifically VGC. The Kanto VS Alola Region Rumble is considered a competition. It has also had a few areas where it was used in VGC matches, if you frequent the VGC general.

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>>32181025
It has been used in a bunch of endgame tournaments in VGC, even if the guy wasn't specifically talking about VGC.
Hell, shit like fucking Alolan Persian and Silvally are in the top placing teams in many of these things, so even with all the Tapus and UBs floating around, Golisopod isn't even a far fetched pick.

>>32181491
persian and silvally bring a fast parting shot, don't even compare them to golisopod

>>32181501
Explain stuff like fucking Ribombee, Salazzle, and Oricorio then. Also even with parting shot, there are better users, the only thing is that they can't be used in VGC that only lets the Alolan dex be used. Alolan Persian is also deadweight after that one shot, at least Silvally can explode. Golisopod isn't the worst shit in there by a mile.

>>32175394
Golisopod with Defeatist would be so much better considering you can set up with BulkUp/SD and need recover HP with Leech Life... or Resto-Chesto if you're a fan of that