Why do all of the gen 4 evolutions of gen 1-3 pokemon look worse

>Dusknoir
>Froslass
>Gallade

>implying Glalie and fucking Dusclops look any good
>implying Gardevoir is anything but disgusting furbait these days
Yikes. No thanks OP. I'll stick to my 4th gen evos.

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>>32133105
I personally disagree, but I can see where Ryhperior and Lickilicky haters are coming from. Personally I think everyone is an improvement

>>32133105
Because Gen 4 cross-evolutions were a mistake and the reaction to them prompted GF to not release any cross-gen evos the next gen and try something fresh in Megas the following gen.

>>32133122
Lickitung looks like fucking shit and Rhydon looks fucking boring. There wasn't much to be done with such shit. At least they tried.

>>32133131
I agree that Rhydon looks boring. But I do believe that's it's one of the best designed pokemon.

Why are bait threads so low effort these days?

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Split-evos and those of Pokemon who already were poor were great.

All the ones for Pokemon who already looked good like Aipom and Togetic were mistakes, however.

>>32133118
Glalie looks terrible compared to Froslass and I don't have any real opinion on Gallade vs Gardevoir, but Dusknoir looks way worse than Dusclops. Really the best one in the line is Duskull. Not to say I dislike the crossgen evos entirely though, just Magmortar and Dusknoir. The rest are fine.

>>32133131
Rhydon's boring if you're used to more overdesigned pokemon, I guess.

Only Rhyperior, Lickilicky and Magmortar look bad.

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excuse me?

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>>32133131
Thats also my opinion, I think those are straight improvements from bland designs so that they won't fall into obscurity.

>>32133158
Then why did you make a thread saying all crossgen evos are bad?

>>32133154
Aipom yes. I personally fucking hated Togetic. The entire line though is one of my favourites

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>>32133105

>Dusknoir
>Looking worse than this garbage

>>32133162
I'm sorry but I've been playing since 1998 and Rhydon is the most boring pokemon ever. There's a reason it was the first Pokemon. It's like a Nidoking with the personality removed. Hurr it's big and has a horn because it's a rhino! Why is it Ground type again? Oh that's right literally no reason.

>>32133131
>>32133146
How the hell do you call Rhydon boring? Did you join in Gen 4 or something when the norm was tacking shit on to fill space?

>>32133162
This, I swear. These guys want fucking Mega-level Digimon. If you want boring, sure Voltorb or Muk, but your perspective had to have been warped to call Rhydon boring.

>>32133173
I didn't make the thread. Why would I make a thread that directly contradicts my own opinion?

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>>32133165
Interestingly, these are also really bland and ugly preevolutions to begin with.

>>32133158
In my opinion Dusclops could have just been left out of the line altogether, Dusknoir is superior in any way

>>32133158
>Dusknoir looks way worse than Dusclops
Lol no

>>32133185
>How the hell do you call Rhydon boring?
see: >>32133184
Literally nothing special going for it, just a generic big monster and "muh ground type" meme for no reason. Voltorb isn't boring, it's literally just unoriginal.

>Weavile
>Mamoswine
>Porygon Z
>Gallade
>Froslass
>Bad

>>32133204
So your argument is that any Pokemon based on an animal is instantly boring? I could reiterate what you said on any animal-based Pokemon.

>>32133146 Anon here.

>>32133185
I personally meant boring as in there's nothing that really stands out. It's a great design and one of my favourites. While I don't hate Rhyperior, I do believe the hate is justified. I joined during gen 3

>>32133221
>based on an animal
Rhydon isn't even particularly based on an animal, it's just a generic big monster. There's nothing to it. The end.

>>32133221
He didn't use the word animal once

>>32133222
From my understanding, then you just don't lean toward it as a favorite or anything, which is perfectly fine. I don't either. But 'boring' used to describe something is so inappropriate when talking about a design because it makes suggestions about what you find to be not boring.

>>32133185
>muh being under designed is a good thing meme
okay, Kantobabby

>>32133196
>>32133197
Yes, I firmly believe it looks worse. It drops the look the line had beforehand and exacerbates the blocky flat pieces that plague Dusclops by mashing the cloth look of Duskull with the blocky hand and neck parts of Dusclops. Unneeded stripes on the arms and the little doorknob on the top of the head are some of the other problems with the design.

It's just not a good look overall considering the underutilization of better design elements they could have used on it from the previous evos they elected to avoid using.

>>32133190
Apologies bro. You just sounded like OP

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>>32133118

>there are people on this board
>Right. Fucking. Now.
>who think dusknoir is better than dusclops

See, this is what happens when you don't understand a design. Duskull starts as a ghost with a skull mask. When it evolves into dusclops, the ghost fills around the mask, and the eye is left exposed.

And then it becomes a retarded fat genie with pointless yellow details and a stupid hat for no reason. Well, at least dusclops can use eviolite now.

>>32133235
>Rhydon isn't even particularly based on an animal
This is bait, right?

>>32133240
He acknowledged it's a rhino. Read again.

Like I can go with Starmie,
>Hurr it's big and has 5 points because it's a starfish! Why is it Psychic type again? Oh that's right literally no reason.

>>32133250
You're the reason we got Mega Aerodactyl.

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>>32133266
Your argument is made invalid by pic related.

>>32133266
I mean thats your thing if you don't like Dusknoir as much, but you have to agree that neither stage has any connection to its evolution, except for the cyclops part, and they could have been standalone pokemon altogether

>>32133285
Seriously doubting anyone can be this dumb. Good bait tho.

>>32133282
Duskull starts as a weird thing with the mask and the eye as if trying to hide itself, then evolved into something that exposed the eye but removes the mask and created a huge blanket around it as if it were a cocoon. Then it emerges from the cocoon as a void eating monster with the yellow parts emerging as if they were hidden from the start. It's a genius design and it's quite ironic to read this coming from someone who complains how people don't understand designs.

>>32133286
I don't see how. It contains all the issues I had with the design and being fancier doesn't really change it at all.
>>32133294
Eh, not quite, but I do think that Dusknoir could have been improved greatly if they simply didn't keep Dusclop's hands or neck frill.

>>32133312
Nigger the hands in that pic is what makes it look cool. Commit sudoku please.

>>32133306
I thought you'd run away from the argument after it was laid out like that. You recognize the hypocrisy in criticizing an enormous chunk of the fucking franchise as boring that way.

>>32133105
I wouldn't say they look worse, but they do look kind of awkward a lot of the time. Dusknoir, as in your pic, kind of looks like they tried to bring it back to the little reaper that duskull was, but didn't really do the best job of it. The head ties it more to the humanoid shape of dusclops than the spirit-like duskull, and it bothers me. The only improvement is that they got rid of the legs.

>>32133321
>"isn't particularly based on an animal"
>HE ACKNOWLEDGED ITS A RHINO SO HES TALKING ABOUT ANIMALS
You know my point was precisely another one, right? Good try tho

>>32133282
>the ghost fills around the mask
Where is this stated? If anything Dusclops and Dusknoir have a bigger connection with each other, since they are both hollow, absorb souls and are one-eyed.

Also >at least dusclops can use eviolite
Skitty can too, its not better Delcatty however

>>32133319
No, I wouldn't say so. They don't look any less chunky than Dusclops and have thick, tube shaped arms to boot rather than the suitably ghostly floating hands of Dusclops. Admittedly though Dusclops hands don't look that great either.

>>32133337
Do you not understand the whole point of being able to plug in Starmie or most other mons? Or are you just being narrow to avoid the point?

>>32133339
>Also >at least dusclops can use eviolite
>Skitty can too, its not better Delcatty however

Except eviolite dusclops is actually better than dusknoir?

>>32133355
Why are you talking about Starmie? The point is that Rhydon has nothing going for it. What are you even talking about now?

>>32133357
Except it's not?

>>32133357
And heres another prime example that /vp/ doesn't know anything about competitive...

>>32133351
But I like the hands. They make 'em look extra creepy.

>>32133357
Every time

>>32133306
>"the yellow parts emerging as if they were hidden from the start"

>"It's a genius design"

I swear i lost some brain cells reading your comment.

>>32133363
Holy shit you really are being narrow. And ignoring what I literally directly said about being able to mock his justification for dismissing Rhydon as boring. If you're going to play games, don't even bother responding. It's pathetic.

>>32133370
Fair enough, I'm not trying to police your opinion, just stating it won't change mine.

>>32133381
But the justification is that it's a generic big monster, that's it. Stop making stuff up my man. Also not "he", I'm the dude.

>>32133380
Yeah, sure feels dumb talking about pokemon.

>>32133339
Dusclops and Dusknoir are both heavily defensive Pokemon, Eviolite makes Dusclops have ridiculously high defense. They're actually pretty equal though, both PU tier ghost types. Dusknoir's claim to fame is that it can actually deal some damage, as opposed to the absurdly weak Dusclops. Dusclops however can stay alive better than Dusknoir, even in Knock Off-the Meta.

Both of them are pretty equal in viability, which is to say they're both absolute shit.

>>32133401
I'm explicitly talking about >>32133184 since you said to reference it. Or do you take that back?

>>32133419
>Dusclops however can stay alive better than Dusknoir, even in Knock Off-the Meta.
Except it doesn't
Dusknoir just needs a better ability. Dusclops on the other hand even with a better ability would still be pretty bad.

>>32133306

>Duskull starts as a weird thing with the mask and the eye as if trying to hide itself, then evolved into something that exposed the eye but removes the mask and created a huge blanket around it as if it were a cocoon. Then it emerges from the cocoon as a void eating monster with the yellow parts emerging as if they were hidden from the start.

I honestly don't understand what you're trying to explain here.

>>32133428
If you knew how to read (actually read and understand the meaning of what one person expresses through text), you'd understand the part about the horn and the rhino is the only good thing said about Rhydon, and a particularly pointless one at that.

>>32133271
That's ok bro. I'll try not to do that.

>>32133434
Duskull is like Scatterbug
Dusclops is like Spewpa
Dusknoir is like Vivilion

>>32133448
Ok yeah you're playing dumb. And it really is pathetic. Either you can't parse text, you've never interacted with another person, you think you can fool me, or you're a complete dumbass who doesn't know what "Hurr" especially with an exclamation mark in tow means.

>>32133430
Defenses around 200 make it survive pretty fairly in PU anon, even with the shit HP stat. Dusknoir would be better with a better ability, yes, but so would many of the Pokemon in PU regardless. They fill different niches, Dusclops is a stallmon who has to rely on passive damage and Dusknoir is a mediocre attacker with similarly good defenses.

My point stands though that they're both shitmons that no one uses though.

>>32133474
Mm good bait tho

>>32133482
Well yes. That I agree.

>>32133105
I don't think anyone who makes these threads knows just how many gen 4 crossgen evos exist, so I'll tell you. There are 22.
Magnezone, Tangrowth, Lickylicky, Rhyperior, Electivire, Magmortar, Leafeon, Glaceon, Mismagius, Porygon-Z, Togekiss, Ambipom, Yanmega, Honchkrow, Gliscor, Weavile, Mamoswine, Gallade, Probopass, Roserade, Dusknoir, and Frosslass.

Are you going to tell me that nitpicking one of them that you don't like means that they're all bad?

>>32133496
quick everyone list the ones that they like or dislike
if you like all of them just put "ALL" if none just put "NONE"

>>32133419
While all your points are correct, I might add some points why Dusknoir is the better shitmon:
Dusclops, with your mentioned low offensive presence is a sitting duck most of the time, giving set-up opportunities to anything carrying subsitute, most normal types and any special attacker. Furthermore, Knock Off is not only a problem for Dusclops losing its Eviolite, which wouldnt be a problem were it viable in say OU, where there are Pokemon with Justified, Mega Pokemon or overall bulky Pokemon like Ferrothorn who can switch into said Knock Off. PU does not have switches for incoming Knock Offs, since the lacking stats of those Pokemon make them heavily reliant on their items or are not that bulky to begin with. Also, considering you are running a balanced team, you only have 2-3 walls in your PU team, one of them being possibly Dusclops, you have one less switch in to one of the two most prominent attacking moves in the game on your team.

>>32133483
Alright I'm done. It's left for others to see how you carry your tail between your legs like this.

>>32133496
ALL except ambipom

>>32133508
I like them all except for Gallade.

>>32133511
Ok

>>32133520
Seconding this opinion

>>32133510
To also be fair to both shitmons, while you can setup on a Dusclops, it can do the same while you setup, boosting itself with calm mind and burning attackers. It usually survives at least one Knock off before it goes down.
Dusknoir does a shitload more damage before it dies, but it can barely survive a Knock off even once before wiping out.
The biggest problem is trying to use ghost types like this in PU, because even in PU both of these Pokemon are absolute garbage. Just use something else if you want to win, let the reaper and lantern rest in their hell.

>>32133105
I-I like t-tangrowth.

>>32133510
Also I forgot to mention, no reliable recovery, which makes using any of them as a wall a questionable choice

>>32133508
>>32133496
>like Lickilicky, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Gliscor, Roserade, Magnezone, Leafeon
>don't like Togekiss, Ambipom, Electrivire
>don't care about any of the others either way

Would rather get Mega Evolutions for anything I want to be better than they are from now on, since they tend to just be Pokemon with extra doohickeys instead of changing them drastically like most cross-gen evos. For all the ones I like that aren't split evos, I didn't care for the earlier stages of their lines, except Mismagius and Honchkrow.

>>32133579
We need more split evos 2bh. I kinda miss 'em. Eeveelutions need not apply.

>>32133589
cross-gen split evos**
Sorry if that wasn't clear.

>>32133508
>>32133496
>Like
Magnezone, Porygon-Z, Yanmega, Froslass, Mismagius
>Dislike
Leafeon, Magmortar, Weavile, Gallade, Roserade, Dusknoir, Glaceon
Don't care about the rest.

>>32133543
All in all I can agree with this. They are both shit and you shouldn't use either. However I see where Smogon is coming from rating Dusknoir higher than Dusclops.

>>32133607
Is it? I thought they were both PU?
Still doesn't stop dumbasses from using the gen 5 viability instead of current viability (Gen 5 places Dusclops as UU and Noir as RU as opposed to the XY/SM rank where both are bottom of the barrel PU).
Or do you mean usage statistics, since I think you're also right there.

>>32133645
Dusknoir is rated higher in the PU viability rankings. Also usage =/= viability so one thing being UU while the other being RU doesn't mean much

>>32133645
Sorry totally misread that second part thing

>>32133692
I see. Honestly though I don't see either of them at all when I mess around in PU, they're just too awful. One of the least friendly formats to Pokemon weak to Knock off. I've even seen spinda and phione more, and they're ranked lower than either dusclops or noir in PU last time I checked.

>>32133721
Yeah spinda and phione are both unworthy rank

>>32133736
Ah good, things haven't changed too much then.

>>32133105
Roserade.

>>32133165
Rhyperior looks cool and Rhydon was fucking boring as is

Magmar was already fugly, Magmortar getting Mega Man style arm cannons and looking smug as fuck is an improvement

>>32133105
>What is Gallade
>What is roserade
>What is yanmega
>What is magnezone
>What is froslass
>What is weavile
>What is porygon-Z

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Im with you on this one OP, they overdesigned almost all of these evos, although some are not that bad. fuck every pleb calling magmar ugly.

>>32134507

I'll take boring over a disgusting eyesore anyday. Magmortar losing the duckbill and getting wax lips was a mistake.

>>32135227
this guy knows whats up, cool fire duck gone wrong.

>>32135195
Shitty evolutions that never should have been made.

>>32135243
>let's get rid of the color scheme that's indicative of how the pokemon lives in a volcanic environment or how it acts like a person that would wear a safety vest
>fuck it, just make it Rhydon again
Fucking stop anytime.

>>32135801
those are neat design concepts but i dont think they really come through visually.

i want to fuck dusknoir

Rhyperior is the only one i dislike, but I dislike it a lot. I've tried really hard to understand where they were going with it's design, but it's face is so lame and the colors are awful.
I actually like Magmortar, it gives me the vibes of an Akira Toriyama monster.

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The only truly amazing one in my opinion is tangrowth.

Mamoswine is also good but it got rid of the tuffs of hair that covered piloswine's eyes. If it had that it would be god tier.

>>32136319
tangrowth makes a lot of sense design-wise, its not cannons/armor all of a sudden stacked on a mon.

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>>32136319
Tangrowth is great but I miss Tangela's shoes. Of course it makes since that it doesn't have them lorewise, but still.

>>32136381
I totally get you, the little red boots are cute. Though honestly I hate to sound like a nostalgiafag but I think tangrowth may be the best since it changed the least. My problem with things like ryhperior and magmortar is they feel so different and incomplete. Tangrowth is kind of a "just gets bigger" but I like that a lot, some designs you just can't reall improve on honestly.

>>32136381
whats that about 'lorewise' , whats the reason?

>>32136426
i think the cannon in magmar and the added armor/rock padding in rhydon's evo are jarring, they'd make more sense as an alt evo like politoed which is completely different from poliwrath.

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>>32136429
Tangrowth is supposed to resemble a more prehistoric version of Tangela, given how it evolves by knowing ancient power (like Mamoswine). An ancient Tangela probably wouldn't have shoes.

>>32136458
ah makes sense then thks

>>32133154
>Togetic
Togetic looked really bad and ruined Togepi
Togekiss takes the design in a weird direction but at least it doesn't look bad

>>32136440
I think the canons are cool as a concept but are a weird feature to add only in the last stage. My main problem is the face and body. Magmar and magby were very obviously kind of weird mix of a kaiju and duck. They were roundish but quite endearing. Magmortar has such a weird oval body that it looks kinda fat. That face is also awful, loses the beak and looks scrunched up.

Ryhperior is just a mess. From color scheme to the armor it loses the charm of ryhorn and rhydon.

I think the biggest problem is that new artist were given the job to make them. I get getting whoever each's oroginal designer would be hard but still giving a new artist a old design and telling em to advance it can be jarring. They're are some really cool ones (tangrowth, mamoswine, and yanmega) but most feel too distent from their prior evolution to me.

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Is there anyone worse than an electivire hating electabuzzfag?

Fucking look at it. It has bird talons, a tiger tail, stubby legs with huge gorilla arms, alien antennae, a skull shape that would make Hey Arnold jealous, big doofy unibrow, generic anime hair spikes, etc.

Yet there are people who dare to say "I FUCKING HATE ELECTIVIRE, THEY RUINED MY POKEBRO, SO COOL!"

I'd bet that a chunk of them had different designers from their originals, which inevitably leads to different ideas than what the original designer had in mind. Same thing happens with megas.

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>>32133105
>Froslass
>Porygon-Z
>Togekiss (Fixed how ugly Togetic was)
>Mismagius
>Honchkrow
>Weavile
>Gliscor
>Bad
I'll agree with you that the rest are hot garbage though.

>>32133184
>Bipedal rhino with rock armor plating and drill horn
>Boring
/vp/ never ceases to disappoint me

>>32136512
Both of them are stupid compared to Elekid who is an ideal electric pokemon design.

>>32136512
i think both are cool in their own regard, both are attractive designs but rly as you point out you cant really make out what its supposed to be from the get go so i guess it doesnt look as jarring as other mons who had key design elements removed..

>>32136520
only add tangrowth and this list is spot on for me.

>>32136319
It took me a while to realise Mamoswine's blue stuff around its eyes is supposed to be goggles. It's covering its eyes with goggles instead of hair

Gen 4 tried to fix shit after the disaster which was gen 3, and pay some love to older 'mons. They weren't all perfect, but OP is a giant faggot trying to capitalize on the fact that hindsight isn't in 20/20.

>>32136520
>no tamgrowth
Wrong.

I adore murkrow and while I like honchkrow it feels a bit dissapointing. Murkrow had such a pitiful, drab look to it that I adored.

>>32136554
is*

I'm outta heeeeere

The only bad evos in Gen 4 are Electivire, Ambipom and Lickilicky.

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um

I like them all better than the pre-evos except Rhyperior and maybe Probopass

>>32136512
the whole line's a cluster fuck, every step of the way

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>>32133105
almost every tack on cross gen evo has been shit with very very few exceptions. stop trying to act like 4th gen somehow did something uniquely wrong. If anything 4th gen's surplus of added stages provides most of the ones that have ever been decent.

>>32135264
Yeah, becuse Trash waifu and 3 Magnemites slapped together are Better

>>32136832
>Bellossom
>Siczor
>Espeon
>Umbreon
>Politoed
>Slowking
>Bad

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>>32133105
I actually used a team of these gen 4 evos in a ORAS replay.

Rhyperior, Magmortar and Electrivire are fucking beast.

>>32133118
>implying glalie is bad

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>>32135264

Alright guys
>TOP 3
>BOTTOM 3
>OVERALL

>TOP 3
Probopass
Porygon-Z
Magnezone

>BOTTOM 3
Dusknoir
Weavile
Ambipom

>OVERALL
Don't deserve all the hate they get, but sometimes it's understandable. Rhyperior for example really feels unnecessary with an out of nowhere concept.

>>32137039
Shit I fucked up. Top 3 is Probopass/Electivire/Porygon-Z

>>32137019
Yes I'm implying precisely that.

>>32136522
Rhydon doesn't have plating. And yes that's boring as fuck, it's the most generic pokemon

>>32136381
But tangrowth still has the shoes.

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glalie is fuckin *kisses hands*

>>32135227
Magmar isn't a duck. It's a pointless all over the place creature. Magmortar tries to give it meaning.

>>32136510
Magmar and Magmortar have the same exact body, the only difference is that Magmortar's legs are placed differently and for that it looks different to you.

I like most of them, some of them feel really tacked on though, like Ambipom, who seems to have been designed because Aipom is shit and could have evolved rather than because they had an actual idea of how to evolve it except "it gets bigger and creepier". Contrast this with the likes of Gallade or Weavile or Yanmega who just work a lot better.

>>32137089
>pink tongue
looks fucking stupid

My biggest beef is mostly the meme-tier "it evolves by trading while holding an item you can only get in the end-game by grinding Battle Points" kind of Pokémon.