https://twitter.com/pokemonlegality /status/8424618184046673

>>32087595
just inject etc.

>>32087595
Was it possible to catch the bird trio in heavy balls in hgss? If so GF fucked up even more than usual.

>Account created 3 hours ago
Why would you use that as your source?

>>32087638
it's actually true, the guy with wishiwashi avatar that datamines s/m comfirmed it

>>32087623
Yes it was.

>>32087656
>Doesn't know who SciresM is
Use him as the source, he's the one that actually finds this shit.

>>32087638
That account, and I'm sorry for this, is SEREBII CONFIRMED

>>32087668
Oh of course Serebii didn't find out by himself, I should have checked SciresM (I'm not the anon you quoted by the way).

And I wonder why they made this change. If it was possible in HGSS then the chance was low but not zero, why would they decide to turn it to zero now?

>>32087699
Game Freak has been shown to be incompetent programmers. It's very likely they just fuck up.

>>32087696
>Put some serebii links in your description
>gain 500 followers
Is this really how popularity on twitter works?

>>32087638
Is from SciresM aka Serebii

>>32087751
>SciresM aka Serebii
hahahahahahahaha

How do we get the heavy ball from the global mission?

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>>32087739
for real though, SEREBII CONFIRMED

>>32087739
>>32087762
My mistake, I looked at the serebii twitter, not Joe's.

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>>32087762
Quit cockriding FAKE NEWS. Joe sucks as a journalist and as a person.

Stop with this

DID SEREBII CONFIRM?!?!? meme. It's stupid. Serebii's "confirmed" bullshit before.

Reminder: It took him 3+months to get a streak of 50 on the battle tree.

>>32087595
I know it's not available on Beldum but the Tapus? Wow

>>32088664
same reason.
Too light and a base catch rate of 3

>>32087759
seconding

Heavy Ball Beldum was previously possible, because a modified catch rate below 1 would "round up" to 1. Heavy Ball can go into the negatives normally, since it is not a multiplier like other balls.

Beast Balls are the only ball with a modifier below 1x. Because they and UBs exist now, the Heavy Ball ended up being altered to where it now no longer rounds up to 1; if it is 0 or goes below zero, then it remains impossible.

>>32090621
wtf I hate UBs again

Well, Heavy Ball Beldum technically has never been possible due to Apricorn balls only being a Gen 2/HGSS thing, and the line overall has always had limited distribution and availability to catch. So Heavy Ball Beldums have always been an illegal combination.

It would have been possible this generation...but the way Beast Balls and UBs were coded, it ultimately killed the chance to finally have a Heavy Ball Metagross legally-speaking.

>>32087595
wouldn't skill swapping heavy metal to it make it legal?

>>32090823
nope, the heavy ball modifier is based on its base weight

>>32090946
congrats

>>32090946
Translate pls

>>32090621
>Because they and UBs exist now

I don't follow, why does the Beast Ball existing means the Heavy Ball had to be modified?

>>32091193
If the weight is over 300kgs, add 30 to the catch rate.
If the weight is over 200kgs, add 20 to the catch rate.
If the weight is over 100kgs, do nothing to the catch rate.
If the weight is UNDER 100kgs, subtract 20 from the catch rate.
Beldum has a catch rate of 3, and is 95.6kgs, so the new catch rate would be -17, which turns to 0.

>>32091205
Because they wanted to make it really hard to capture a non-UB in a Beast Ball while still being possible, so now it doesn't round up. It works for the Beast Ball because the catch rate would still be a non-0 value, but since the Heavy Ball is actually a hard decrease, it can dip to below 0 and won't round up as of Gen 7.

>>32091251
Thanks m80

>>32091255
Oh, so the issue is that the rounding up was "global" and, since it was removed because of the Beast Ball, Heavy Ball ended up screwed.

Meh, balltists can't catch a break.

>>32087831
oh pomf

kys

So which Pokemon aren't legally possible because of heavy ball? I injected a heavy ball Beldum and Carbink, so I guess I will have to change them to dive balls or something

>>32091319
Carbink is fine. Right now, the only ones you can obtain in S/M that can't be caught in a heavy ball are Beldum and the Tapus.

>>32090946
??

Bulbasaur can't learn leech seed for some reason

>>32087699
You do know Serebii and SciresM are friends, right?

>>32091251
Maybe this is a bit of an autistic question but why not do this?

if ( pokemon_weight >= 3000 )
{
result = 30;
else if (pokemon_weight >= 2000 && pokemon_weight < 3000)
result = 20;
else if (pokemon_weight >= 1000 && pokemon_weight < 2000)
result = 0;
else if (pokemon_weight < 1000)
result = -20;
}
return result;

>>32091902
A quick Google search tells me that you want to not use else if too often, granted I'm not a computer scientist I'm just a dude who took a few Codecademy lessons

>>32091804
Yes, but why go for secondary sources when the primary one is easily accessible for me?

>>32091295
Balltists can't catch.

>>32090946
This is dumb as fuck, why would they boter making the modifier negative? Why not 0? Fucking Game Freak I swear

>>32091559
And it learns Vine Whip twice, once at level 7 and once at level 9.

>>32087595
Heavy Ball Eggs are illegal too.

>>32090621
>Heavy Ball Beldum was previously possible, because a modified catch rate below 1 would "round up" to 1.
Nope, wild members of the metagross line never shared a game with the Heavy Ball except for HGSS where they were Safari Balls only

>>32091933
Using it like 3 times is fine.

>>32092482
Chespin has a similar problem. It can't learn Tackle, and has Vine Whip twice.

Couldn't you use a Bronzong to skill swap Beldum Heavy Metal, and they try? What about a critical capture?

>>32093000
>heavy metal
Heavy ball modifier goes by base weight, so no
>Crit Capture
It's a multiplier, and the heavy ball still multiplies the whole thing by 0, so no

>>32093000
>skill swap Beldum Heavy Metal
see
>>32090908

>What about a critical capture?
Critical captures differ from normal captures in that they only check for breaking out once instead of three times. A catch rate of 0 will still have it break out every time.
However, if my understanding is correct, as critical capture chances are based on the catch rate for that particular event (pokemon + ball combination), there is also a 0% chance of a critical capture here.

>>32093052
>>32093064
Thanks for the info guys.

So a heavy ball Beldum is still possible if from HGSS, right?

>>32093481
no, safari zone only

>>32092802
I'm aware of that. I'm saying if the conditions had been possible (catching a Beldum because of a swarm in HGSS rather than being Safari Zone-only), Heavy Ball Metagross was indeed possible.

GF locked the entire line behind Johto Safari Zone though, so had they not, it'd have been possible.

>>32087707
Don't get me wrong, Gamefreak does stupid shit, but I think a minor mistake like this is within the realm of reasonable fuck-up territory.

Then why don't they just patch it?

>>32093645
>game freak
>patch anything that isn't a game-breaking bug
You better hope they fix it in the Switch version.

>>32087699
They had to adjust the algorithm to accommodate Beast Balls. Of course, they're too incompetent to have done so without screwing it up.

>>32093660
>Switch version.
You honestly believe this is going to happen don't you.

>>32093672
Whatever game comes next. If they care to fix it at all.

I'm not it competitive and balltism, can someone explain me why is this a big deal?

>>32093718
This is the first time that a Pokeball type has been unable to catch a wild Pokemon, leading into a strange new legality rule. It's semi-significant because (hacked) Heavy Ball Beldum/Metang/Metagross have actually been passed around quite a bit on GTS.

>>32091295
They changed the formula, not the specific ball.

>>32093758
Why is it applied to metagriss and the tapus though, shouldnt it apply to all mons that are light enough?

>>32093782
Because their relatively low weight + their very low catch rate makes the catch value go below 0. Low weight mons have a reasonable catch rate (21+) so it never goes to negatives.

>>32093782
Metagross isnt obtainable in S/M, unless you evolve Beldum. Which is strange since there's a chance of encountering a level 9 Salamence but not a level 30 Metagross

>>32093816
I see, thanks for explaining

>>32093838
I should try the lvl 9 salamence thing someday. I have mence but just for the weirdness.

>>32093627
>but I think a minor mistake like this is within the realm of reasonable fuck-up territory
Is it really? Makes sense that a ball designed to catch heavy pokémon wouldnt work on ultra light Pokémon.

We seem to have established that it hasn't actually affected the legality of any Pokémon because HB Metagross wasn't possible in HGSS. It's hardly a fuck up, more just a change in a mechanic that wont change anything in game

>>32092072
Carlos pls

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>>32093846
MINIMENCE IS CUTE. CUTE

Also, it's rare enough, that it's very hard to get without leaving Melemele.

>>32093645
Because it's not a glitch, it's just retarded. And only slightly retarded, which by Game Freak's standards is better than usual.

Hopefully the next game gets rid of the negative portion of the rate.

By the way, was it ever discovered why GF changed the timer ball formula in SM when math rise, the results come out the same?