>Gets a buff with the adjusted speed mechanic for megas >Introduce

>>32085186
They meant that Pheromosa is the best Bug type.

>>32085186

>>which lets it run a variety of sets and Z-items

Uhh, Anon? Megas can't use z-moves because megastones take up the help item slot...

But yeah, anyways, m-beedrill is lit asf

>>32085186
It's pretty gud in UU desu.

>>32085224
>Introduce another fast U-Turner
Do you lack reading comprehension? That 2nd greentext was never about Beedrill.

>>32085224
he's talking about Pheromosa. which is MBee on steroid. I think it's fair tho, MBee brought Beedrill from bottom-tier mon to be a competent one, while Phero is a semi-legendary.

Well at least M beedrill OHKOs the tapus with poison jab. At least I think. If they aren't holding a choice scarf.

Can M beedrill OHKO marrowak with knock off?

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>>32085186
>goes from PU shitmon to top tier UU threat
>waaah waaah GF cucked my bro because it's not as good as this OP legendary :(((((

>>32085348
close but no

>wow, let's give beedrill adaptability when it has the two worst offensive types in the game.

What would have made M beedrill better than pheromosa?

>>32085348
Pheromosa pretty much gets the same kills

252 Atk Life Orb Pheromosa Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 270-320 (96 - 113.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Pheromosa Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Lele: 299-354 (106.4 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Pheromosa Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 320-380 (113.8 - 135.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Pheromosa Poison Jab vs. 248 HP / 192 Def Tapu Fini: 177-211 (51.6 - 61.5%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Adaptability Beedrill-Mega Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 448-528 (159.4 - 187.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Adaptability Beedrill-Mega Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Lele: 492-580 (175 - 206.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Adaptability Beedrill-Mega Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 688-816 (244.8 - 290.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Adaptability Beedrill-Mega Poison Jab vs. 248 HP / 192 Def Tapu Fini: 292-348 (85.1 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

So basically the only difference is Pheromosa needs a not godawful roll to OHKO Koko and Beedrill can snipe Fini from higher HP when it's been worn down a bit, but how often will Fini actually stay in to eat a poison jab instead of just switching out to Lando-T or something

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>>32085186
Genwunners BTFO

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>>32085186
You want to talk shit Megas?

Here's a shit Mega.

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>>32085486
Grass/Dragon was a mistake

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>>32085513
Grass was a mistake in general
mfw Game Freak saw fit to buff Ghost and Dark but nerf Grass

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>>32085486
>>32085513
>tfw these are unironically two of my favorite pokemon

>>32085513
>>32085486
>grass now resists fairy
happy cucks?

>>32085426
Poison is better now that it can assrape fairies

>>32085589
I'd haggle for immunity but I'd absolutely settle for a god tier resist like Fairy.

>>32085186
The only advantage I can see Mega Beedrill having over Pheromosa is 100 BP Fell Stinger thanks to Adaptability, allowing you to get in a revenge kill and +3 attack boost.

>>32086005
Also kills fairies better.

>>32086005
poison stab so >>32086012

Why did they bump it immediately to OU when it was UU last gen?

>>32086026
tapu presence probably

>>32086038
But there's no reason to use it over Pheromosa except for the Fell Stinger gimmick and Drill Run.

>>32086005
Problem with that is it still gets forced out or revenged killed by every popular scarfer in the tier right now. Plus it still gets walled by Landorus (can't do more than 35% even at +2 counting intimidate while gets OHKO'd)

>>32086026
Speed mechanic change means it can run 4 attacks instead of mandatory protect and requires much less prediction once you get it on the field. Combine with tapus, blistering speed in Fini land, and being the most relevant Poison attacker and you've got a solid OU relevant mon.

>>32086012
>>32086022
Not sure how I forgot those. Good call.

>>32086048
I'm not saying that makes it better from Pheromosa. I haven't even used Mega Beedrill, although I am interested. I'm just looking at it through observation, not experience. A powerful Fell Stinger sounds very nice in concept, though.

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>>32086080
*better than

>>32086048
So maybe you're using it on a team that has lots of Lando answers but struggles with Fairies. It's got a place.

>>32085224
/vp/ is illiterate. Completely and terribly illiterate. I don't mean spelling something incorrectly here or there, or not knowing a quadrisyllabic word. I mean that this board, centered around a game that touts itself as helping young children read, cannot even spell the names of the majority of the monsters that are its subject. People will spell names of Pokémon and characters incorrectly on a regular basis, and be unable to comprehend even slightly more advanced sentence structures. This board is filled with people whose intelligence, when measured on a metric of the ability to read and comprehend written language, would be far below the average in any first world country, and arguably 4chan as a whole. Why is this? Is the absurd nature of the Pokémon series affecting your ability to read? Perhaps because Pokémon attracts autists (colloquial jargon so adequate in this situation,) we have people who spend more time memorizing charts than how to properly read them. However, people with autism actually typically score higher on IQ tests and reading comprehension tests, so it doesn't make much sense to label that as the reason. I'm completely astounded by the collective lack of knowledge that this board displays.

>>32086140
lmao @ this tryhard sped

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>>32086124
>a team that has lots of Lando answers but struggles with Fairies

So you use Fairy Fucker 5000 instead, a much better mega that only runs through fairies, but also entire teams that can't check it. Beedrill is outclassed, plain and simple.

>>32086170
Beedrill also buttfucks Dark, which destroys Megagross no sweat.

Really, though, if you feel so strongly about this you should take it up with the Smogon forums. The only thing /vp/ has ever changed was getting Funbro banned.

>>32085559
>Grass was a mistake in general
mfw Game Freak saw fit to buff Ghost and Dark but nerf Grass
Do you even play Pokémon competitively. Grass is one of the best defensive typing right now.

>>32085513
Its more usable than the non Alola counterpart. The fucker even gets actual Fire coverage unlike garbagetile.

>>32086265
>Sceptile basically invented the idea of a fast offensive Grass type
>gets weaker every generation without any buffs outside of pump-n-dump leaf storm
>Megas happen
>every other starter gets a huge top tier gamechanging ability and/or new moves
>Mega Sceptile gets Lightningrod and Dual Chop

Being Sceptile is suffering.

>>32085186
Beedrill has higher attack and adaptability

>>32086140

I'll bite and assume this isn't just copypasta.
The truth about /vp/ is that it's actually one of the biggest normalfag boards on this site, hence it is also one of the dumbest.

fuck power creep

>>32085513
M-Eggy is good and more versatile than Eggy and even the predictable offe.sive Sceptile of no moves.
It now has a legit bulk and defensive type, got a better fire coverage and versatile attack stats too. Can also abuse the Block set better to remove passive stallmons.

>>32086201
the only dark-type in ou is tyranitar, and scarf ttar vs metagross is a total 50/50 since it eather loses to bullet punch or wins with crunch/pursuit

>>32089252
>the only dark-type in ou is tyranitar
That's as may be, but it's not the only Dark type you'll run into in OU. If your team has a problem with Dark types, it's wise to be prepared.

>>32086026

Everything new stats in OU then drops.

>>32086319
>the only thing blaziken gets is an increase on its stats. It is even more cucked than Sceptile. Stop playing the victim.

>>32089252
>the only dark-type in ou is tyranitar
>Greninjax2
>Mega Gyarados
>Hoopa-U
>Alolan Muk
>Mega Sableye

>>32089252
There are more Dark types in OU than TTar, as >>32090134 mentioned, but just because somethings not OU doesn't mean it wont see usage in it. Bisharp, Weavile and Hydreigon still pose a threat and will show up from time to time. It's a relevant threat.

>>32090344
Hydreigon will never show up in OU and will never be a threat unless you build a time machine that only takes you to gen 5

>>32090375

Spotted the low ladder casual.

>>32090385
lotted the cow spadder lasual

>>32085486
That isn't an image of Mega Audino.

>Beedrill is good against dark types guys
>When the thread was originally about how Pheromosa, another mon who walks over darks, shits over Beedrill anyways

Really got my noggin joggin

>>32085186
Beedrill isn't walled by alolawak. That's it, and that's enough to be niche.

>>32085186
GF can't balance

Beedrill will inevitably drop to UU.
Mawile is the more interesting addition. I'm most excited for Swampert-Pelipper teams though.

>>32087124
That's unironically incorrect, it's just filled with underages.

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>>32085486
>terrible typing
>bad stat spread
>awful ability
>same shit movepool as its standard form
does this thing have any redeeming qualities?

>>32086207
are you kidding? the only viable defensive grass types are mega-venu because of thick fat and ferro because of its steel typing

>>32092126
>Beedrill will inevitably drop to UU.

Is there a reason to think it will be banned there?

>>32092519
>same shit movepool as its standard form

The rest of your points are valid but since when do megas have different moves?

>>32092527
I was just highlighting the fact that this thing has no moves
they should just give it a grass type aerilate and hyper voice

>>32090082
Yet one is in ubers

>>32087124
It is pasta btw

>>32092519
>Awful ability
Objectively incorrect

>>32092563
are you actually comparing immunity to a type it already x4 resists to shit like adaptability, tough claws and drought?

>>32088368
>It now has a legit bulk and defensive type
Grass/Dragon is one of the worst defensive AND offensive typings in the game, what the hell are you taking about? It's weaknesses are arguably even worse than Grass/Psychic since it trades a x4 Bug weakness (easy as fuck to cover, Bug has tons of resists) for x4 weakness to Ice (hard to cover, makes it a bad pick against water types that Grass types are usually meant to counter).

Alolan Eggy is literally only good for memes

>>32085186
>GF makes an absolute early game bug shitmon and minmaxes the hell out of it to make it viable
>Next gen it even modifies how mega evo speed works so it can be even stronger
>But it's weaker than Deoxys-lite

>People actually get butthurt by this

>>32086155
>>32087124
it is pasta you fucking newfags

>>32085186
Pheromosa just replaced the cool bee, the angry bunny and the kung-fu mongoose.

>>32092519
Honestly the ability is the real sticking point here. Everything else would be tolerable if it had a good ability like, say, Adaptability or Regenerator or (heaven forbid) Contrary.

>>32092524
Tangrowth

>>32085429
>Life Orb
What about without it? I've seen a lot of Sash runners.

>>32085486
>Lightningrod
Literally why?
Why not Icerod, or something useful?

>>32092525
Not really, since everyone uses Bisharp/Keldeo/Scarfdreigon

>>32086057
>attacks instead of mandatory protect and requires much less prediction once you get it on the field.
didn't need that anymore now it get the speed off the bat.

>>32085186
>almost completely outclassing beedrill

You mean there are ways reg beesrill can do better than its mega form?

>>32090082
Probably because base Blaziken already has one of the best abilities in the game.

>>32094379
right, thanks to regen

>>32090375
hydreigon is good, it's not as splashable as ttar or gren obviously, but it's completely usable in OU and can be great with a properly built team. i've seen it on a couple of high level teams.

>>32094906
By reading the second sentence correctly