>Apparently it's impossible to catch a Beldum in a h

Even the game company hates balltists

>>32056924
Because GF has the world's most incompetent programmers to ever exist.

>Daycare egg seeding
>SOS chaining resets after 255 encounters
>Now this
Game Freak is shit at programming, who knew

I hate this fucking planet.

Nobody tell Verlisify.

>>32056924
Fucking kek.
Will there ever be a company as incompetent as Gamefreak?

>>32056924
That being said, Heavy Ball Beldum are still legal because of HGSS.

>>32056924
GF doomed

>>32057007
But the Beldum line was only available in the Safari Zone.

>>32057007
No, safari zone only, so it's in safari balls.

>>32057016
>>32057007
Beldum only being in safari zone -> it's illegal.

>>32057019
>tfw skill swap heavy metal bronzong won't be able to fix this problem

Do Iron Balls and Full Incenses increase weight?

>>32057033
the weight used is from personal entry. Not affected by iron ball/heavy metal/etc.

Why would the heavy ball modifier ever be <0 though?

>>32057033
Nope.

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>>32057038

>>32056958
>>Daycare egg seeding
What did I miss?

https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/841305594506203136
Joe using filthy hacker ressources

what, why is this wrong

>>32056924
How did this even happen?
GF being incompetent is nothing new, but this seems the kind of mistake you have to go out of your way to make

>>32057081
I think they want to set the bonus by the ball to 0, not the whole catch rate, and that's the error.

>>32056944
Why does this make me so sad?

What's the next best ball for it appearance wise? I don't think my balltism will allow me to have it in anything else.

>>32057095
Beast ball beldum looks good.

>>32057091
It used to be that in GSC, a certain weight bracket would be unaffected by the Heavy Ball, but HGSS merged that bracket with the -20 one.

I wish that O-Powers were still in the game and applied before the apricorn ball catch rate changes.

>>32057048
What the hell is this clusterfuck of if statements? Is this really how Gamefreak programs?

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so that means my beast ball metagross I got from wonder trade is hacked.
Fuck

>>32057109
>beast ball
I had a stroke or something, meant heavy ball. Guess beast ball is the only other ball it doesn't look like trash in so that's probably why.

>>32056924
Time to inject as many Heavy Ball Beldum as possible and wonder trade them.
I suggest all of you who can to do the same, this could be fun

>>32057108
IFs are most efficient. Not nice to look at, but fastest.

>>32057108
I take it by what yuou're saying that what they've written is inefficient or unoptimised coding?

>>32057109
If it's bred, it's legal

>>32057124
>>32057109
Bred heavy ball beldums are still illegal.

>>32057114
How is it ''fun''?

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>Heavy Ball eggs aren't legal
Well fuck.

>>32057124
Just as legal as dream ball Aegislash

>>32057121
Yes. This check could be done in a couple of lines and it would also perform faster.

>>32057126
Is this going to be reflected in PKHeX or are you going to wait and see if GF does something about it? e.g. fixing Shell Smash Kommo-o

I haven't tried using a heavy ball, but does that mean that any pokemon with a similar weight as Beldum become impossible to catch with a heavy ball? Or is Beldum a special case for some reason?

>>32057048
Wait, doesn't it mean that no pokemon with a weight <1000 can't be caught in a heavy ball?

>>32057126
>>32057136
>Little Johnny gets a Metagross in wonder trade
>Breeds it
>Gets shit from everyone for it

That's surely how it'll play out.

>>32057138
How typical of Game Freak.

>>32057149
It means any Pokemon with a weight lower than 451.5 lbs and a catch rate of 20 or lower can't be caught in a Heavy Ball.

>>32057147
Yeah, it'll go in PKHeX.

>>32057153
Pokemon are impossible to catch in a heavy ball when both of the following apply:

*Weight < 1000
*Catch Rate <= 20

>>32057138
Also why even store the result in a temp variable then return it at the end. You could just return the amount once you reach those areas since "result" can only be written to once. This would also remove the need for an else statement at the end. The last line would just be return -20.

>>32057127
Ruining other people's game (and life, I guess) by giving them something illegal, duh.

>>32057176
"1000" refers to kilograms. For all you Amerifats out there.

but who cares?

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>>32057138
You're an idiot, this is decompiled code.

The assembly is optimal. It's not inefficient or unoptimized.

>>32057181
>release
Wow, totally amazing, you sure showed them

>>32057176
1000 what?

>>32057184
That's still over 2000 pounds, which is a lot. Or is it really that high and this guy >>32057166
is wrong? 451.5 pounds seems more reasonable.

>>32057176
>Pokemon are impossible to catch in a heavy ball when both of the following ap
But they're not illegal by default, if you can catch an evolved form with a heavy ball.

>>32057138
no, thats not how programming works

>>32057181
if you really think this is fun I think you need to rethink your life

>>32057186
Balltists.
But no, really. The idea of a Pokeball is that it can catch anything. With varying chances, yes, but any ball should have SOME chance at catching any given wild thing at any given time. These clauses outright prevent that for a specific ball, something that has never happened before. Not much of an "Agh, I'm angry, boycott GF" thing. More like a "Wow, that's actually pretty lazy" thing.

>>32057205
Your mother is not how programming works

>>32057204
>to catch

>>32057184
1000 0.1 kgs.

So, uh, < 100.0 kg. Or < 220.462 lbs.

>>32057048

if pokemon_weight >= 1000 {
result = floor(pokemon_weight / 1000);
}
else {
result = -20;
}

>>32057214
got me

>check Beldum on the GTS
>Heavy ball is one of the more common ones
everyone got rused

>>32057181

>get a cosmetic change that would otherwise be unobtainable
>suddenly, a screen pops up in game
>"YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE AN ILLEGAL BALL COMBINATION! YOU MUST NOW PAY THE PRICE!"
>unwitting child starts crying as the game goes through every Pokemon in their boxes, releasing them
>the child furiously mashes buttons to get it to stop, even the power button
>nothing works
>finally the only Pokemon in the illegal ball is the only one remaining
>"YOU MUST LIVE WITH THIS SHAME"
>screen only says that and has a picture of the Pokemon in the illegal ball
>whenever the game is loaded up again, it's still that picture

This is the future Verlisify wants

>>32057176
>Pokemon are impossible to catch in a heavy ball when both of the following apply:
>*Weight < 1000
>*Catch Rate <= 20
So just Beldum and Metang

>>32057225
Integer division is really expensive, in assembly.

The if comparison/move solution is faster.

See >>32057190

>>32057236
Also all four Tapus.

>>32057197
>Implying everyone knows about this little tidbit

>>32057208
Nah, I was just answering that for you (or at least I think it's you) because it's kinda obvious what "fun" is when people talk about illegal stuff.

>>32056958
There is nothing wrong with how egg seeding now works

>>32057247
Now I want someone with Heavy Ball Tapus to win the world VGC 2017

>>32057225
Your solution doesnt work. The result cant cant be 10 and it cant be greater than 30.

>>32057225
Also it would return wrong everytime because you didnt multiply the result by 10 if its at least 1000. So youd get 2 instead of 20.

>>32056990
Tell me he has one.

>>32057204
In this case, Metang and Metagross are not available wild.

>>32057233
>STOP YOU VIOLATED THE LAW
>FORFEIT YOUR INJECTED GOODS OR YOUR LIFE IS FORFEIT

>>32057272
>Implying everyone knows about this little tidbit
Then what you're saying is they don't even know it's hacked?
Well neither does the game, so the only one who knows is you, and you have no means of communication with the other party
so... fun

Does this happen with any other balls and under other circumstances?

>>32057358
All balls are a multiplier with none multiplying by 0. This is except the Heavy Ball which adds value to the initial capture rate. As it's -20 if less than a certain amount, then it becomes 0 for those Pokémon

If we add status efects and low life its still imposible?

>>32057460
Heavy Ball directly messes with the Catch Rate. If that is 0, nothing you can do can catch that pokemon.

>>32057511
aaa ok, its like multipliying by 0, i get it

I hope this is the one thing that makes GF fix Beldum's catch rate. It has no business being 3 and it truly polymerizes my monomers that every other pseudos have 45, but not Beldum.

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Find a flaw

>Pokemon are impossible to catch in a heavy ball when both of the following apply:
>*Weight < 1000
>*Catch Rate <= 20

Theoretically this also includes nearly every box legendaries in existence. Now if a Dppt remark appears and Heavy Ball keep this coding, Heavy Ball Dialga will not be a thing.

side-note, Guzzlord can't be caught in a Heavy Ball as well.

>>32057608
UBs make every non-Master or Beast Ball have a 1x multiplier.

>>32057608
List is here >>32057135

>Heavy Ball Eggs are not legal
Bishkek.

Also
>/wfg/
>'we don't pass down hacks'
>hands out Heavy Ball HA Beldum anyway
I'm laffing.

>>32057100
>>32057095
I love premier balls, but you could also try a dusk ball for the release flare

>>32057052
Google "sun Moon RNG abuse"
There should be a GitHub with explanation and of course abuse method

>>32057602
kill yourself

>>32056948
>>32056998
They might've overlooked this.

>>32057811
Did they also overlook how the games drops to 1fps whenever there's more than 2 Pokemon on the screen during battles? C'mon son. Don't be a drone.

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>>32057811
>>32057837
Something else they overlooked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0tkl4_Oq2s

>>32057837
Two completely different things. One is very easy to overlook or miss while the other is very easy to spot/go through just by playing the game. I'm not a drone. C'mon son, don't be a dumbass. You're argument is poor as fuck. Game Freak has what, over 700 Pokemon to program? It doesn't take a genius to realize that something like this is easy to miss especially considering Beldum is from Gen 3 and Heavy Balls were introduced in Gen 4 I believe. Beldum's catch rate probably hasn't changed since Gen. 3.

Not even surprised. After GF making Cross RBY 1 evolutions illegal I expect nothing.

>>32057811
Are the legendary birds uncatchable on Heavy Balls in HGSS.

If the formula is the same, they didn't overlook this, they actually fucked up hard

>>32057869
>You're argument is poor as fuck.
>insert /vp/ is illiterate copypasta here

>>32057879
Apparently it's only an error in S/M

>>32057608
>side-note, Guzzlord can't be caught in a Heavy Ball as well.

Don't UBs treat all balls not named Beast Balls as regular Pokeballs?

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>>32056924
I don't care, I legally breed my shiny Metagross in a heavy ball, you heard me? LEGALLY.

>>32057942
The son of an abomination is still an abomination. Release your Metagross, his existence is a crime against nature

>>32057942
Probably has a 6iv "jap" ditto as a parent too. It's doubly a crime against nature.

>>32057850

Wasn't sky drop fucked up in X/Y too? Time to delete that move

>>32057178
You store return values in temp variables for debugging purposes. That way you can step through and see what the value is after it's set but before it's returned if there's an issue and you're getting weird results.

It'll never be fixed, because that would be admitting they made a mistake. Everstone doesn't work on Kadabra because they fucked up in gen 4, Nidoqueen can't breed because they fucked up in gen 2, and now we can add Beldum and the Tapus to that list of fuck ups.

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I'm so glad I'm not a balltist

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You have 10 seconds to post a official pokemon game that was entirely bug free. You cant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaNIKkRSYiQ

>>32059005
That sucks when you haven't saved for a while.

Can somebody go into HGSS and try catch one of the legendary birds in a Heavy Ball?

>>32056998
Bioware.
Whoever made Horizon Zero Dawn.
Platinum Games.
Bethesda.

To name a few, anyway.

>>32059027
I'm curious about this too.

>>32059027
>playing HGSS

I'll pass.

>>32059051
All of these are far more competent than Gamefreak, are you retarded?

I'm interested. What's the worst looking code you've seen so far in the game SciresM?

>>32059094
>Bethesda
Hey at least GF finishes their games

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>>32059094
>All of these are far more competent than Gamefreak, are you retarded?
>Bioware

>>32059075
But it's for science, anon.

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>>32059112
fucking hell this gets me everytime

>>32059112
i dont play mass efect whats the context?

>>32059154
the gun is fucking backwards
she's pointing it towards herself

>>32059162
she also shoots a robot with it also.
with the backside of the gun, while it is also facing towards her head.

she isn't handing the character the gun.

>>32059021
Alternatively you can just get the opponent to knock you out or do it yourself with Struggle.

>>32057108
It's reverse engineered code, you dingus. They probably did an if/else if thing, but when optimized by the compiler and reverse engineered, it looks like this.

>>32059005
To be fair, I don't think there's ever been any game that has been entirely bug free.

>>32060016
pong

>>32057305
If I have a Metang in pelago and only 1 Heavy ball in my bag, then I keep the metang, will it still go in a pokeball?

>>32057100
Metagross looks good in premier, timer, dusk and nest ball if it is shiny, the effects fade to white upon entrance.

Ultraball, dive ball, heavy and beast ball look good on non shiny metagross.

Honestly people shouldn't just focus on the color of the ball but on the effects and sparkles the ball has, think of Tapu Lele many balltists prefer love ball for her, yet it is time ball and it's small white clocks that fade to red on entrance that make Lele look glorious.

>>32060114
Does Poké Pelago even use up a Poké Ball? It'd be cool if that was a loophole in this.

>>32060149
People enjoy seeing the color of the ball match up on the status screen a lot, that's why people catch Ice-types in dive balls. It matches, and matching is a pretty basic autistic instinct. The opening animation is a pretty minor thing to many because the animations change with every gen and it might not match in the next, while the basic status screen ball will.

>>32060179
I guess it's just consistency, but I would genuinely get pissed off if they changed the fade to red effect of the timer ball, it seriously makes lele look good.

>>32060198
Yeah, I hope they keep the red.
It's just that they changed ball animations significantly in each successive installment after gen 4, so I don't choose based on animation. Gen 5 timer? Giant clock animation Gen 6? White and red normal animation outwards. Gen 7? multiple little clocks appear with red.
It's just not reliable.

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>>32060265
I feel you, timer ball has been so freaking weird, at least we can all agree that Dusk and nest ball have been getting better with each gen.

Im just saying timer ball gen7 burst into pink followed by little white clocks that fade into red is really pleasing to the eye.

I can understand if a balltist wants to stay on color, but some effects are just too good to pass even if the ball color clashes.

>>32060082
Some of the arcade versions had a bug in the bounce circuitry, as in an error on the pcb. Some of the versions had a gap large enough for the ball to get through at the top that the paddles can't get to, although that was considered a "feature". Also, apparently you can affect the vertical velocity of the ball after hitting it by moving your paddle.
I didn't know any of that before; the way they 'programmed' it is actually kinda interesting.

>>32060308
Dusk ball and nest ball yes, absolutely.
Yeah it looks nice, just hope it stays that way next gen. Good luck anon.

>>32057233
>Gen 8 pokemon comes with a new "security feature".
>Any time it detects an illegal pokemon large metal spikes shoot out of the cartridge impaling the game, your console and your hands.

>>32060751
It'd be great because Gamefreak is garbage at keeping track of their own legal combinations, so it'd just happen to everyone.

>>32057108
eh, nested ifs aren't inherently bad.

that said, the bracketing is hellishly inconsistent.

most gen II balls were glitched in gen II

>>32061361
Your mother was glitched in gen II

>>32061902
it's bedtime, redditor

>>32060114
I sold all my pokeballs to see what happened,but nope, still Pokeball.

Did anybody test out the Heavy Ball on the birds or any other legendary in HGSS that gets the -20 catch rate penalty yet?

>>32062915
yes

>>32056924
HAHAHAHAHAHA

How about Heavy Ball Meowths?

Are those legal?

>>32063300
>Heavy Balls Meowths
ftfy desu

>>32057138
technically it depends on the processor

>>32058818
everstone still doesn't work with it?

>>32063300
There's a list in the thread that puts all the mons impossible to catch in the Heavy Ball with the code as it is now.

Yes, they are legal

>>32059005
no software is bug free

>>32057176
So does that mean my Heavy Ball Necrozma would be considered illegal? I caught it myself.

>>32063502
If you actually caught it, why would it not be?

>>32063521
Because the formula makes it seem like it would be considered illegal. He doesn't meet the weight requirements (230.0 kg) according to that post, and he has a 3 catch rate.

>>32063546
In HGSS, it was 208 kg where the Heavy Ball would inflict a penalty. Maybe 1000 is an internal value rather than the actual weight?

>>32063546
>>32063557
Read the thread. 1000 is in units of .1 kgs, so the threshold is 100 kg.

>>32063603
That makes sense, it's the only way SciresM's list could work, though I think he missed Marshadow and 10% Zygarde on that list.

>>32063168
Any luck?

>>32063680
so skill swap heavy metal bronzong COULD work? or nah?

>>32063720
It's based on the initial pokedex weight, so nope

>>32058818
What's wrong with the Tapus?

>>32063997
Same catch rate as Beldum.

>>32064669
Apparently it doesn't work, not that Beldum or the tapu's weights are high enough to avoid the penalty when doubled anyway.

God I wish the rates for -20 and +0 in GSC as shown by >>32063680 were still around.

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Hold the fuck up.

I tried for hours on end to catch one in a heavy ball and I know for a fact that I got the ball to shake a a few times.

I thought if the ball shook at all, it is possible, even if very rarely.

Are we sure its not a retardedly low catch chance?

I no longer have the heavy ball, but will get one once the reward for the latest event comes in and I'll try again, but this time I'll record it.

>>32056924
Well, what if, i don't now... TRY TO CATCH IN A DIFFERENT POKEBALL.

AUTISM BALL ARE BAD.

>>32058818
Everstone and kadabra is on purpose. We know Pokemon hates kadabra after they got sued by that magician guy, so they made the Pokemon literally impossible to trade. Even pressing B when it's evolving will not work

>>32064870
Shakes are only based on absolute catch chance in Gen 1. Gen 2 onwards shakes are determined by how close that specific roll was to catching it. If the catch rate is 0%, but RNG rolls a very good catch (the same type of roll that would catch a 3 catch rate mon) you'd get a few shakes because the algorithm thinks you're close to catching it since the numbers are close to your negative catch rate.

>>32064929
not that I don't believe you, but source?

>>32064932
Go onto bulbapedia's catch rate page and look at "shake checks".

It's a little more complicated than I posted, but the general gist of the shake check system is to have the shakes happen when a Pokemon capture is missed (always in Beldum's case). It also goes over the different quirks in each shake check system per gen.

>>32064870
The problem here is that every other ball applies a multiplier to the formula.

However the Heavy Ball adds or substracts from a value in the formula. With Beldum and other mons the ball has a -20 value. This produces a result of 0 in a piece of the equation, which results in everything multiplying by 0 if I understood this correctly.

Now you can see why this will never go through, as there's not a single instance where this stuff multiplied by 0 will yield the result to catch the mon.

The game's been out for months, why is this just now being discussed?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asRBDMgp1OQ&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

Really gets the neurons firing

>>32064989
no-one noticed until now.

>>32064994
I remember watching a video linked by an anon a few months where there's a guy that has his encounter Lunala for the first time and it ends up being shiny, which obviously it can't be. So sadly even with some videos it will be difficult to say that they're definitive proof.

>>32064994
>le 100% catch rate man

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>>32065009
>le

So this is why after 200 resets I couldn't get it kms
Beast ball fits it better anyway

>>32065047
but thats wrong

>>32059051
Hey, Platinum Games has just had a bad streak lately, when they're on the mark they're pretty damn good.

>>32057873
>After GF making Cross RBY 1 evolutions illegal
Explain please

>>32058818
>Nidoqueen STILL can't breed
I refuse to believe they are this stupid and incompetent.
What. The. Fuck.

>>32068063
source?

>>32057126
So is dream ball Klink and pikachu.

>>32068036

If you evolve a gen 1 import into a later gen evolution, it gets flagged as hacked.

>>32068063
Literally any serebii entry on Nidoqueen post gen 1.

>>32068096
>If you evolve a gen 1 import into a later gen evolution, it gets flagged as hacked.
Oh wow.

>>32068096

2nd part of the post aimed at

>>32068067

>>32068117
no; I wondered why

>>32056924
Wait, really? Fuck, so that one I have is injected originally? Dammit, guess I'll breed Beast Ball.

>>32068331
if you bred it its legal

>>32068349
No its no, its an ilegall combination.

>>32068978
to catch, not to breed

>>32068992
And how exactly are you supposed to breed it, if you can't catch it?

>>32069040
wondertrade

>>32064989
People ran out of things to shitpost about this gen

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>>32069049
You're not actually that much of an idiot, are you?

>>32070152
noone cares if the father is hacked anon
no one

>>32070183
this has got to be bait

>>32063680
>stuff is mostly based on kilogram
>fair, japs use international units
>but then the cutoffs for the heavy ball are all over the place

what the fuck

>>32070183
nobody cares if you breed pokemon from illegal parents EXCEPT if the result is also illegal

>>32063655
>marshadow
>10% zygarde
Both are illegal in ANY pokeball

>>32070183
wolfe pls go

>>32070183
The VGC staff ruled that it is, in fact, illegal to have a hacked parent after the Dream Ball Aegislash incident, though they didn't retroactively disqualify the guy who used it.

>>32070459
It shouldn't have needed a ruling beyond "illegal pokeball means illegal pokemon"

>>32070487
It shouldn't, but they were trying to argue that it was bred legally and this covers all bases instead of just balls in case some other illegal Pokémon gets past Game Freak's shitty hack check.

>>32056924
Wait, how will it become 0? Isn't beldum's catch rate 3 or some shit?

>>32070496
"illegal parent" should never even be considered. If a pokemon can be proven to have an illegal parent, that's because it is, in itself, illegal.
>bad pokeball
was either hacked into it or bred
>bad memories
was hacked

No other illegal trait can be passed down through legitimate breeding of hacked pokemon except in early Sun/Moon with unreleased egg moves.

>>32070520
The people defending the person who was caught cheating were claiming that being bred in-game made it legal. I guess they were trying to use moralfag logic, since those people don't care about real logic.

>>32070511
3-20=-17
-17<0 => 0

>>32057869
Heavy Balls were introduced in Gen 2 you underage newfag.

>>32070583
your mother is an underage newfag

>>32070542
Honestly, who cares if one parent is considered illegal? As long as the offspring meet all legal requirements and are in a possible ball, it's all good.

Until GF decides to implement actual family trees for each bred and hatched Pokemon (hidden from players of course), I'm still using my injected foreign Ditto to get competitively viable/shiny Pokemon.

>>32070784
>who cares
No one but people like Verlisify. In this specific case with the Aegislash the dude in question won Worlds so people wanted to shake things up and get the winner DQ'd for the lulz instead of being morally offended.

I'm gonna play HG again just to see if my heavy ball legendary bird is legal, how autistic I'm acting right now?

>>32070833
it is legal

>>32070876
no

wtf of course it's legal, I got one off of /wfg/

>>32059112
GET OUT OF MY SWAMP

>>32070833
It is, this case only happens in gen 7

>>32072708
no

>>32056924
Just inject.

>>32075913
this

>>32068087
Not with how Gen 7 ball inheritance works. Bred dream Ball Klink and Pikachu are legal now.