>Sheer Force >Rock Slide is the only usable attack that

>>32011780
Body Slam too
Normal/Water is pretty good coverage

>>32011796
>Body Slam
Sheer Force Body Slam is weaker than unboosted Return. The only reason to run Body Slam over Return would be if you're holding a Life Orb, to avoid the recoil.

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Being a Kingler fan is suffering, it was arguably better before the special split since Crabhammer was pretty much an automatic crit in Gen I which worked well despite its terrible special stat.

It shuld either learn Waterfall or Crabhammer gets a small chance to lower defense or something. Also, Ice Punch/Ice Fang when?

>>32011780
Weird how they didn't give it Liquidation. Its like Gamefreak wants Kingler to be shit.
>>32011810
>Sheer Force Body Slam is weaker than unboosted Return
>Full power Return = 102 BP
>Sheer Force Body Slam: 85 * 1.3(SF boost) = 110.5 BP
????????

>>32011780
Could use any of the following, elemental fangs, poison fang, poison jab, iron head, zen headbut, not to mention waterfall, but really crab hammer just needs a 5 bp buff, with no nerf to accuracy 95% and maintain its increased critical hit ratio.

>>32011850
Crabhammer should get the Sky Attack treatment:
increased critical hit ratio and 30% chance to flinch

>>32011935
I like

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>>32011796
>Normal is good coverage

>>32011780
>Crabhammer now has a 10% chance to lower enemies speed

There go you.

>>32011963
generally when people say something is "good coverage" they mean that the attacks will be unresisted, not necessarily super effective

>>32011963
It was okay coverage, back in Gen 4.

Now it's shit.

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>>32011780
>Hidden ability does the same thing as regular ability

I think Sheer Force eliminates the high crit ratio for Crabhammer so it gets boosted too

>>32012025
game freak would totally make a pokemon with shell armor and battle armor as its normal abilities, and its HA is inner focus

>>32012044
Unfortunately it does not, but cross chop would still be a good addition to Kinglers move pool too while we're at it

>>32011963
>>32012013
Z moves kinda make Normal coverage worthwhile now. Keldeo's Calm Mind set runs Z-Hyper Beam as barley anything relevant can wall Water/Fighting/Normal.

>>32012097
cross chop in addition to a new ability that naturally boosts its crit rate ensuring auto-crits on crabhammer and cross chop out of the box

its still slow as shit so its not going to break ou right open

Fuck this guy, he always guillotined my best mons in gen 1

>130 base attack
>can't learn waterfall
How did they fuck up that badly?

Sheer Force is the plebs trap for Kingler.

Agility Hyper Cutter is best set.
Kinglers attack and moveset is good enough for it to.

>>32011850
Ice Punch/Ice Fang never because GF hates pokemon that don't make them buckets of money

>>32011850
Crabs have neither fists nor fangs. (in crabominable)

>>32014413
And yet Crawdaunt learns Crunch, because it clearly uses its claws.

Maybe not Waterfall since crabs walk sideways, but no reason not to learn Liquidation.

>>32012301
Fucking no. Auto crits without Scope Lens or setup is retarded, especially when it learns Agility, has high attack and high damage moves.

You faggots always overshoot a mile when buffing shit. All it needs is some moves like Liquidation to abuse Sheer Force.

>>32011963
get some reading comprehension, they said normal/water is good coverage. which it is, because it hits everything but 22 pokemon in the entire game for neutral damage.

>>32014425
it has a mouth

>>32014425
To be fair Crawdaunt is a crayfish, not a crab.

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>>32016168
Kingler has a mouth too you blind fuck. In fact it has massive jaws compared to Crawdaunt's little slit. There's no reason why one could have Crunch and the other couldn't.

>>32012400
why not agility sheer force?

>>32016325
Because agility hyper cutter: Agility, crabhammer, knock off, x- scizor

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>>32016274
Pretty sure Crawdaunt uses it's pincers to Crunch things. They look like little jaws.

>>32016571
That's what I fucking said in the first place. Goddamn can you people follow a reply chain.

>>32016274
>>32016580

That's actually interesting, I've never pictured pokemon using crunch with anything other than their mouth before.

Thinking about it like that, I could also see Scizor, Pinsir, Clawitzer, Haxorus, Bisharp, and Durant getting crunch as well.

Also,
>tfw no Liquidation, Ice Punch, Superpower, Crunch Kingler set

>>32011993
I thought crab hammer had increased crit
doesn't that activate sheer force?

>>32017150
It does not for some reason

>>32017150
High crits are a primary effect, just like recoil from moves like Flare Blitz. Those don't get deleted.

Ironically, Life Orb recoil is programmed as a secondary effect, so it gets deleted, but only if the move activated Sheer Force.

>>32016571
>>32016621
Literally every in-game description of crunch says the user crunches up the target with sharp fangs, plus every animation is a mouth biting the enemy. It's undebatably mouth only.