>but m-muh fire tiger Stiff shit, Game Freak made a shitty

Can't fix purfection.

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>>31965697
You're not gonna like every mon from every game you autist. This game wasn't invented just for you.

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This an Incineroar line thread now. Post Litten, Torracat or Incineroar

>>31966018
>implying i can't go into maya and give it the porportions it needs to not be shit

>>31965697
Well im waiting for you to fix it.

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>>31965697
>>31966018
>>31966183
Boom. Fixed.

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>>31966289
That's not fixed anon.

>>31965697
Are you from the shiny Incineroar thread? I'm curious to see what you'll do.

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>>31966289
Fixed.

>>31966364
This is fucking disgusting.
Even worse than Incineroar, kill yourself.

>pirate bay is fucking blocked by the government
Hoo boy, pirating Maya is going to be more fun than I thought it would be.

>>31966364
Shadow the Hedgehog's pet panther?

>>31966364
Looks pretty good standing up, but sitting down it's hilariously bad. It looks like a mega, maybe you should make a base form.

>>31966018
This.
>>31966107
And THIS.

>>31966964
I'd roll with this but it hasn't been a full week since last thread and I'm wondering if OP is gonna deliver just to see what he pops out.

>>31966998
Right now the left arm is pissing me off. The second ring of vertices away from the wrist divot doesn't fatten the same way as the right arm's equivalent.

God I hope it's just me being incompetent or Blender being a bitch rather than a shitty GF job.

>mfw my incineroar swept two tapus, a landorus, and a mega kangaskhan in ranked doubles earlier
Bara cat can do no wrong

Holy shit, fuck these arms. Or fuck the left arm. Either way I'm just going to start off with the legs.

>>31967362
Nice.

>>31967277
>>31967396

Are you trying to normalize its proportions and nothing else, putting it on all fours, or some combination thereof?

>>31967591
Just trying to normalise the proportions. The legs are going ok, who even knows what I'm doing to the chest, but something's up with the vertices near the left wrist. Instead of just streching, they reveal more vertices in their place.

>>31965697
But I like baracat anon. Very few pokemon I want to get a hug from.
It just need its HA to be OU.
Give it to me GF REEEEEE.

I'm almost tempted to post the .blend and .dae files. I wonder how badly my edits clash with the rigging.

>>31967797
Go for it.

Honestly, I like Incineroar and its overall design. Fits for a tiger and pokemon all at once.

The proportions suck, yeah. But literally every fan artist on both sides of the Pacific are giving it normal ones, and even the latest TCG art make the tiger look good in action and that one hologram GX gave it normal proportions anyway.

I'm not complaining on a 3D Incineroar with actually-thick limbs, though - if 2D art looks so much better with normal limbs, so would the 3D model. I'd enjoy seeing it as much as that Incineroar skin on Passamian's model looking relatively decent.

TL;DR I think overall Incineroar's hate is overrated and its design pretty cool, but I gotta admit seeing it look "normal" still looks fucking sweet. Do what you can/wish, anon.

>>31967709
Yeah agreed to be frank.

Phase one zip coming in a couple of minutes.

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>>31967709
>It just need its HA to be OU.

>>31966364
it's far from perfect but at least it's a decent fakemon and not like that trash that drew ballio

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxpfns863r18opw/project%20tiger%20unfuck.zip?dl=0

Starting off small.

>>31968605
>It just needs it's hidden ability to be ou

No anon, it. Needs it's hidden ability to be uu like the other two.

>>31968616
Congratulations for being the first retard to brought up Ballio!
Here's your (You). Run along now.

>>31969718
I didn't say that, the other anon did. I just quoted it.

>>31965697
It was ruined the moment they turned the cute cat into a gay dude wearing a cat suit. I'm glad it sucks.

I think I might need to downplay Incineroar's moobs. In addition, I don't know if I'll be able to make its chest width thinner with my "expertise".

>>31966289
Hay that's pretty good.

>>31969718
If Arcanine can't cut it in UU I doubt Incineroar can

>>31971551
Don't do that

>>31972004
Don't do what? Flatten the moobs, make the chest less wide so the shoulders get closer to each other, or both?

>another one of these threads
Ok

>>31972119
Yeah both.

I think the head and torso of Incineroar look good, the limbs are my only issue with it. Making the chest look smaller might put Incineroar into lanklet territory, which ruins the feel of power going for it.

But hey, do what you want. Just putting my thoughts out there.

Working on the fingers right now. I can't make the wrists thicker thanks to the left arm having those polygonal issues, but I can make the fingers thinner to make the wrists thicker in comparison.

Not that the fingers didn't need thinning out, anyway.

The wrists are FINALLY WORKING.

I'm thinking of doing a before and after shot to see what you guys think of my soon-to-be even more disastrous edit.

>>31967941
>But literally every fan artist on both sides of the Pacific are giving it normal ones
that's irrelevant, because no matter how much fan artists fix it, I'll have to see those Space Jam proportions when I boot up my Sun copy

> Incineroar's hate is overrated and its design pretty coo
Making Litten another humanoid fighter is the laziest direction they could possibly go. Even making a cartoony tiger with some fire somewhere would be more creative at this point. Incineroar is not hated enough

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>>31973120

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>>31973156

>>31973160
Already a decent improvement

Keep going man

Bumping this shit before I sleep.

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>>31965697

i for one like Incineroars Canon design.

>>31973160
You can't fix this shit. It's terrible all over.

>>31973156
>>31973160
I'll be frank: I can't see it.

Would some kind anon point out what exactly was changed here?

>>31974454
>i for one like Incineroars Canon design
>Post a gijinka of said canon design
Are you being ironic on purpose?

>>31974485
Wrists got thicker

>>31966364
I liked where this was going with the flame whiskers but the face is so damn bad

>>31974485
Slight changes so far. Finger, high upper arm and chest thinning, leg and lower arm thickening.

>>31973137
The terrible 3D model every Pokemon has and we have threads over? Even Incineroar isn't the only victim of that one.

And...anon, Incineroar IS a cartoony tiger with some fire somewhere.

Gotta save this from dying.

Good news: making Incineroar's fingers thinner.
Bad news: being unable to do much else than shrink polygons, meaning that the claws are getting sharper but just as long.

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Fuck, I can't tell whether or not the legs are symmetrical anymore. Can anybody with any 3D experience check it for me once I update the link with the next .blend file?

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I fixed Incineroar as minimal as possible.

>>31968677
>>31979025
Updated the zip.

The fingers are starting to look relatively sane now.

>>31979216
But it still looks like a man in a furr suit tho.

>>31979216
Did you just make the hands smaller and the feet get claws? I like it.

>>31979358
Post a pic of progress?

>>31980848
Only if you look for men in fursuits anon.

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>>31980885
Here's the latest update.

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>>31966364
>literally my mom's spectrobe

>>31980893
Thanks!

Keep it up, I'm still pretty interested in seeing this happen.

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hey guys, I fixed it

>>31980949
Incineroar would never wear such ridiculously fancy clothing. She's a laid-back kind of gal. Let Delphox keep that stuff.

I'm a proud cat-fan and stand by my statement.

>tfw Inceneroar is the worst of the Gen 7 starters

He was suppose to be the Physical Greninja. Why did Gamefreak punk out at the last second?

>>31980971
Because the only starter they've put effort into since Gen IV is Greninja and they don't want that fact to change just yet.

>>31980971
The cat stood up.

>>31980980
Literally all that happened. I guess people don't want to admit Incineroar got hit hard by the 3D model shit that affects a TON of pokemon.

Physical wallbreaker with good coverage, some utility via Fake Out and Will-o-Wisp, or can go tanky with Leftovers/Assault Vest/Leech Life. And this is only in the current meta before HA and move tutors.

I foresee this thing gaining more popularity as time goes on.

>>31981014

Unless tutors give it knock off and sucker punch, in the end overall its just a worse Arcanine.

>>31981331
I'd be surprised if it didn't get one of those in time, honestly.

>>31981377
I hope it gets Fire Punch or Drain Punch.

one last bump

>>31966107

this art shows why incineroar don't need fixes, it's really fucking good mon, it's pokemon company is retarded there and cannot draw

>>31981331

I don't get why arcanine have access to burn up but incineroar doesn't...this makes no sense

>>31966107

I kinda wish now for shiny black and white incineroar...it's looks flawless

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>>31982778
Much better than the white and red one. Hell, even that one could've looked better if the white and red were swapped so it looked less like a clown.

>>31982756
Yeah, I think the proportions are less of an issue than the lack of muscle definition

>>31983070
I vastly prefer this. Could even be a reference to Tiger The Great.

>>31983177
Isn't the lack of muscle definition the main reason why it has proportion problems?

>>31983338
No? They're two different issues.

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I fucking hate these arm polys.

>>31980930
Underated

>>31980893
Im gonna repeat what another anon in the thread said: I cant see the fucking difference, even after it has been pointed out. Sure, if I examine it, it starts to become clear. You're really wasting your time, but to each their own i guess

>>31983509
It's pretty subtle, but it's there.

In fact, try opening each images in different tabs and changing between them in quick succession. You'd be able to see the differences clearly.


Or just the arms, at the very least.

>>31983759
I'm focusing on the legs a little more right now. Getting them to look right is kind of hard at the moment, and it's evident when you don't look at them from the front.

>>31981390
I hope for Drain Punch, especially. That, Leech Life, and Leftovers on a tanky Roar would be pretty fun.

Drain Punch, Fire Punch, Sucker Punch, Thunder Punch. Those big meaty paws were made for punchin'.

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>>31985363
Why did my pic not send last post? I needed to show off those big, meaty paws for making my point clear.

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Did a small quick edit on him.
Fixed?

>>31985529
Smaller hand/thicker wrists in general on that particular piece is A+ but the fingers seem weird, even though I know exactly what you're aiming for. Maybe I'm used to the longer fingers by now.

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>>31985529
I may have gone overboard

>>31985723
I like it. Clearly Incineroar, clearly evokes wrestler, stresses the fur more to show it's a goddamn tiger.

Can you combine >>31985529 and its thick arms with the clawed feet and hand of >>31979216? Curious to see how that'd work out.

>>31985723
Good shit

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>>31985742
Makes me sad desu, I like incineroar, but I wish he had more tiger aspects in him

>>31985836
Holy shit that does look nice. Good work.

I really like his actual design. Favorite pokemon frankly. But these art pieces fixing his proportions alone would've shut up the legions of haters.

I guess I see what GF intended than as-is compared to everyone else.

>>31985836
Not bad at all. However the motif on its stomach no longer works. Could you try remove it or change it?

>>31985886
Yeah, I was thinking of the base/official portrait, but with JUST the smaller hand and clawed feet of >>31979216 combined with JUST >>31985529's thicker wrists. Nothing else from the edits except those mentioned. I'm a big fan of the base design.

I didn't wanna act ungrateful though, haha.

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>>31985886
Well, alternatively, I have this edit of Incineroar that has Torracat's orangey color scheme, with a slightly yellow stomach

>>31985981
SCREECH WHY DIDN'T WE GET THIS REEE

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>>31985529
>>31985723
>>31985836

>>31985981
This actually looks half decent.
Only thing to remove is the entire concept itself.
Make it a quadrupedal tiger with a bunch of fire and you get ta decent starter that isn't hated.

>>31985981
That reminds me, does Incineroar ever have its toe claws out? They're visible on the model as I fuck around with it, like the belt flame spikes, but they're not there in-game during its idle animation.

>>31986175
No. I think this is sadly something anime only, maybe if it attacks or gets angry?

>>31986175
Nope, never seen in-game despite the model clearly having them.

>>31986243
>>31986182
So it's just typical Game Freak?

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>>31985981
Torracat color scheme works surprisingly better than the original.

>>31985886
Not the anon you replied to, but I got curious about how Incineroar would look with that design but without the motif: it was awful.
I used Paint to try to come up with a better motif and I think something like pic related could work. Of course it would look much better if done with better programs, but you get the idea

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>>31986009
>Incineroar a quadrupedal tiger
Nani

>>31987103
Make its head a bit bigger and you might have something

>>31987103
That looks pretty based. Like >>31988401
said the head is a bit too small.

>>31987103
>>31988401 and >>31989293 are right, the head's smallness is definitely what's causing me to see it as odd. You might want to make it a little bit bigger.

It looks cool as fuck. But it's becoming a different pokemon entirely and despite the incoming whines or jokes, I say keep it looking recognizably Incineroar.

I'd be curious to see an OG Incineroar art on four legs with the better proportions, for example.

>>31987103
Keep it bipedal pls.
This just look like Pyroar with the head of Torracat.

>>31982778
>>31983070
you are just fucking genius, it's looks breathtaking

>>31986262
is that super sentai?

>>31990212
I didn't make the black and white Incineroar. Somebody from an edit thread several months ago did.

>>31985529
Pretty good

>>31985723
Looks too naked

>>31985981
Shit colors but I love what you did with the eyes, ears, and paws

>>31990440
could you make its belt dark? you know, coal like, I don't understand ps edits to do this

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>>31990623

I told you I'm shit in ps... that's all I could do

>>31974454
I'd fuck it

>>31990884
It wouldn't fuck you though.

>>31981014
I've had good luck with the bulky variant with life orb on my trick room team. I pair it with a bulky oranguru with TR and instruct and I can typically take down whatever I'm against with Darkest Lariat.

I wish I could be a little more versatile with it, but that's the niche he has for now. Might get better with intimidate, but we'll have to see when it gets released.

>>31990925

in doubles almost everything is good with good support... in singles you are screwed because of OU teams or other nasty teams unless you have luck with the setup

>>31990864

still this concept is cool, he's now more badass

>>31983070
I'm so fucking angry this looks so much better

>>31991017

>not liking black coal belt with fire sign torch at the center, that makes incineroar looks more badass and super hero like...

you guys have no good taste

>>31990963
Oh absolutely, I'm just annoyed that it is really lackluster other than as a bulky trick room physical attacker.

>>31991034
Never said I didn't like what you're talking about, I was comparing it to the regular shiny

That said, I prefer the regular flame though, feel like it breaks up the black and white better

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>>31991157

IN YOUR FACE!

>K-kringe d-da wa...

>>31975439
No Incineroar, is a terrible proportioned human in a fursuit and wearing a tiger mask

It doesn't look like a tiger at all, especially because tigers have actual stripes, not VLC ones

Give it a year then Incineroar will be contrarians bros

>>31991213

but this is monster from japanese cartoon... also everything lies in art

>>31991229
Being from a Japanese cartoon does not justify the awful proportions, especially when the same series has tons of fully evolved pokémon with somewhat decent proportions and has Electabuzz that has better, more natural looking stripes than le VLC tiger

>>31991203

YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

>yfw you would be fan if real...so...cool...

>>31991236
>Meanwhile Pokemon with weird cartoon proportions like Incineroar and Bewear are in the Pokemon franchise since Gen 1.

Say hi to Dragonite, Exeggutor and Lickitung.

>>31991261
And those are also shit. I don't know why your defense mechanism leads you to isntantly try to shit on Gen 1 instead of defending Incineroar, but whatever. For the record Lickitung and Dragonite are still better proportioned than Incineroar and those pokémon are not even meant to look intimidating, while Incineroar is. A better comparison would be comparing it to something like Blaziken and Machamp, since they are supposed to be intimidating and are also humanoid, but I suppose that would ruin your narrative that Incineroar's proportions are actually ok

>>31991236

you are about details... I agree that at first he looks awful but it's because our eye is very critical about first impressions, it's design is good but the whole thing is about visual sensations... look at people who hated samurott or greninja... now they are loving them, that's why everyone have different tastes...sometimes design must grow into us...

>there are people who still hate pikachu design

>>31991276
If you have to force yourself into liking a design, then it's a pretty shitty design. I assume GF designs things with the thought of people looking at it and liking it, not looking at it and stockholm syndrome themselves into liking it.

And no, I will never like Incineroar, and plenty of other people won't either. Proportions is the most glaring flaw, but being ANOTHER humanoid fighter is so lazy and uninspired, that a generic fire tiger would actually be more original

>>31991213
>>31991236
>>31991274
>>31991307

>gonna flip out and assume anyone who likes Incineroar is lying or somehow Stockholm Syndrome'd.

Hi, I think Incineroar looks pretty awesome and everyone's freaking out way more than they should on it, including you.

>>31991323
>I agree that at first he looks awful but it's because our eye is very critical about first impressions, it's design is good but the whole thing is about visual sensations

This doesn't sounds like stockholm syndrome at all in play

>>31991274
>I don't know why your defense mechanism leads you to isntantly try to shit on Gen 1 instead of defending Incineroar, but whatever.

Where the fuck did i say they were bad ? Dragonite is one of the most Popular Pokemon of Gen 1, dude and i also love Exeggutor.

>A better comparison would be comparing it to something like Blaziken and Machamp, since they are supposed to be intimidating and are also humanoid.
Ho yeah, let's say these guys have better proportions than Incineroar for no real reason except "L-look at the 3d models, g-guys, GF never f*cked up 3D models".
Now, what about Pokemon like Night Lycanrock, Purugly or Magmortar ? go ahead, make me laught.

Also the "Intimidating" part for Incineroar: Its supposed to be a caricature of a big bad guy, that child feared, but actually look silly to adults, that's why it is said to actually like childrens.

>but I suppose that would ruin your narrative that Incineroar's proportions are actually ok

Are you talking about the proportion in the game ? If then, no i like its 3d animations, but its proportions suck.

Are you talking about its proportions in its official arts (Anime, TGC, Official game arts) ? then yeah, i like them, its legs are longuer and its wrists are thicker that's all i ask.

>>31991307
>And no, I will never like Incineroar, and plenty of other people won't either.
Just like plenty of people will tbrh.
Ofc a Pokemon won't be loved by everyone that's what we call opinion and taste.

>>31991323
>assume
No one did. Your assertion that those four anon (assuming it's four different people) assumed something like that is foolish.

>>31991334
I'm not that guy, dumbass, although you're gonna be retarded enough to assume I am since you don't wanna be BTFO'd.

>>31991335
>"L-look at the 3d models, g-guys, GF never f*cked up 3D models".

No anon, GF did not fuck up Incineroar's 3D model. It's actually very well made, it closely mirrors the leaked reference sheet and the official art. It just so happens that the source material is absolute garbage.

>Night Lycanrock, Purugly or Magmortar
All those have better anatomy than Incineroar. I can actually imagine them walking, I can only imagine Incineroar falling over immediately because the torso is huge and the legs are tiny and frail

>Also the "Intimidating" part for Incineroar: Its supposed to be a caricature of a big bad guy, that child feared, but actually look silly to adults, that's why it is said to actually like childrens.
It's also said to be vicious and even liable to hurt its own trainers when it becomes too involved in battle

> (Anime, TGC, Official game arts)
Official game arts and anime retain the godawful proportions. TCG takes liberties sometimes like they do it many times, but since those proportions fixes will amount to nothing when I boot up my Pokémon Moon copy and I stare at that limp-wristed tiny-legged mess, not Incineroar's proportions are still garbage

>>31991334

dude, you don't understand how does human taste works, GTFO

I guess that after 20 years geodude used stockholm sydrome on me...

>>31991356
>All those have better anatomy than Incineroar. I can actually imagine them walking, I can only imagine Incineroar falling over immediately because the torso is huge and the legs are tiny and frail

you even know how does anatomy works in real life?!

>>31991356

you don't like because YOU don't like it... why do you think I hate delcatty

>>31991203

da-daddy-kun...

>>31991396

oi oi...

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>>31991360
>>31991373
>>31991386
You know you can just reply to multiple people in one post right?

>>31991402

you cannot edit on 4shit...

>>31991203
>>31990864

I can't... why it's so cool...

>yamero...
>yamero...
>y-yamero.....

YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!!

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>>31991356
You know, if you're gonna say "you're wrong", then i don't think we can do anything... i mean really:

>All those have better anatomy than Incineroar. I can actually imagine them walking, I can only imagine Incineroar falling over immediately because the torso is huge and the legs are tiny and frail.
The fuck ?...So Nightruff can walk ok with noodle arm and paw as big as its head, and same with Margmortar having giant basukaz as bing as its torso and round body shape...
Meanwhille buff tiger can walk because "Buff torso" ?

>It's also said to be vicious and even liable to hurt its own trainers when it becomes too involved in battle
And he also love when childs cheer it, it like to play as the bad guy, just like a "Heel", so people can have fun when they watch a fight with it.

>Official game arts and anime retain the godawful proportions.
They seems fine for me, legs seems much longuer in the official art.

>TCG takes liberties sometimes like they do it many times, but since those proportions fixes will amount to nothing when I boot up my Pokémon Moon copy
Yeah, well, tell that to Typhlosion fans, Delphox fans and pretty much half of the fucking pre-Gen 6 Pokemon man.

Gamefreak don't know how to make good 3D models, and at least with Gen VII they kinda lear how to animate them.

In the end, i think we can agree to disagree anon.

>>31991427

is that jojo reference?

What the fuck happened here?

Either way, the muscle tone's going good now - it actually looks like it has muscles now. Once that's done, I just have to tweak the polys to make the muscles more realistic. Right now they just look like sausages like in >>31983398, but at least they're not conical rubber hoses anymore.

>>31991434
4chan happened, OP.

>>31991429

now I understand sausage fingers... it's more like a hooks

>>31991429
>i have no fucking clue how to make the legs longer, especially how to do so without more likely than not wrecking the rigging

Kill me now.

>>31991434
Oh, are you the one doing the editing? Hello.

Suffice to say a bit of shitposting and samefagging managed to keep this thread bumped. Although it might have worked a little too well.
>155 replies and counting

>>31991440

this makes sense...if his hands muscles are strong enough...holy shit...they thought about everything [wrestling]

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>It's 2013+4 and quadfags are STILL getting worked
>Big Match Incineroar will continue to work quadfags till the end of time

BASED

BIG

CAT

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>>31991438

meow
that's right

>>31991487

ahahahahaaha screw you... greetings from the floor

>>31991487

nande? why it's happening to me non stop on this board... what does furries wants to tell me?!

>>31991487
>inb4 jannies get triggered

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>>31974454
>>31974485
>>31990884
>>31990911
>Not posting the superior desgin

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cute cat is cute

Should I try divide the upper arms into two sets of muscles?

I think it's mainly the eyes that makes the rest of the design unlikeable, since lots of mons are characterized around their eyes. Maybe change those a bit?

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>>31966018

>>31996226
I don't think I'd be able to do that. I can't see the textures, which I wouldn't even be good at editing anyway, and if I mess with the polygons near the face it might break the rigging.

Does anybody know where I can find the Black Belt's battle model? Going through the Battle Buffet made me realise his muscles might be a good reference for Incineroar.

I should probably bump this with a new progress image and zip update soon.

>>31981331
The fact that it doesn't have sucker punch just perplexes me. Fucking Lanturn gets it, but not the dark type heel wrestler tiger? Surprise attacks and underhanded tricks are literally the MO. I'm also disappointed it didn't get gunk shot, was expecting it given the drawing of Incineroar spitting something in the leak.

>>32001836
> Gunk Shot
> Incineroar's Special Attack animation.
See the obvious conclusion here?

Another set of updates incoming. If anybody manages to port all of the models in the .blend into a .dae, I'd love to see what Incineroar looks like in something like Gmod, SFM, or a program that can play its animations and see how much I fucked it up.

>>32001952
As if that would stop them. The fucking bug Z move where the opponent is covered with sticky white string uses it.

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>>32002446
It's a good thing that they scrapped the Gen VI Gunk Shot animation. That trash can looked unfitting.

On the subject of trash...

>>32002539
I see visible differences in the arm now, so it looks good. I know you're trying to do other things, too, but thus far arms are the visible one.

It does remind me how every artist just draws it with 'regular' proportions like this as well. I think fanon's universally given it normal sized limbs.

>>32002539
Any luck tweaking the fingers?

>>32004429
I can make them thinner, but I don't know how to make them shorter. If I could do that, I'd extend the fingers and the lower legs.