Certain Pokemon losing 50% HP just for switching in is perfectly

>>31799020
>this is what glorified pedo club Smogon believes

>>31799020
Should be 1/8 for grounded and 1/4 for flying/levitating Pokemon desu

>>31799044
>1 turn of setup for 25% damage
Nah. Spikes needs 3 layers to do that.

>>31799051
Better than 1/2. All flying types by default take 25% and they are immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.

>>31799020
t. Articuno cuck

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>>31799020
Certain Pokemon completely shut down entry hazards with just this one trick! Stealth Rock users hate them!

>>31799020
>switch in garchomp on an ice beam
>Pokemon losing 100% HP just for switching in is perfectly fair and balanced

Just like i don't switch in my garchomp until ice users are down, I don't swap in my bug flying Pokemon or whatever until I take down stealth rocks. Or if none of my team is weak to ice I don't need to worry about ice moves, just like I don't really worry about stealth rock if none of my Pokemon are weak to it.

>>31799020
About every Flying type gets Roost though. What other type has such a high amount of distribution for a 50% recovery move?

>>31799096
Not ice, bug, or fire that's for sure!

>>31799078
>Landorus is surrounded by its Z-Power!

>>31799084
Garchomp is losing 100% of its health because the opponent was smart enough to predict it switching in, AKA an scenario that requires skill to pull.

>stealth rock is a huge problem!
maybe it's because you're being a smogon fag and aren't running a magic bounce/rapid spin/defog mon you plebs

>>31799544

Rapid Spin and Defog have hilariously low distribution.

>>31799450
Well, that's a Landorus problem, not a SR problem. Plus, you shouldn't be Taunting a Landorus.

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Hello there

>>31799561
So you're saying you can't shut down entry hazards with just one trick then

>>31799589
Stall teams hate him!

>>31799550
1/10th of all pokemon get defog, that's fine distribution.

>>31799950
>1/10th of all pokemon
>it's almost entirely pokemon from the original ruby and sapphire
>so you're limited to their movesets from back then and injecting them as well
>most of them are shitmons

Good idea anon, can't wait for my defog Charizard to wreck the competitive scene

>>31800024

Gotta run Roost too.
Defog/Roost is OP according to thread.

>>31799108
Excluding Flying types only left you with Ice/Bug, Ice/Fire and Fire/Bug types. The only Pokemon with one of those types is Volcarona, which has Roost.

>entry hazards no longer hurt Pokemon the first time they are sent into battle

There, now sending in Pokemon over the natural course of a battle isn't punished, but excess swapping still is.

>>31799610

That's not Heatran, Tyranitar, or Hoopa anon...

>>31800232
But Excadrill will get up his precious rocks no matter how much Mega Nohazards protests

>both zards and volcarona are OU despite a 4x SR weakness
>Ho-oh still A rank Uber
Explain this faggots

>>31799020
Would it be balanced if it was cut in half
0.25x=1%
0.5=3%
1x=6%
2x=12%
4x=25%

>>31800267
regenerator

>rocks now deal fixed 12% damage to everything

Easy fix. Stop with the free damage.

>>31800294
I think it would be better if it was capped at 25%.
Besides that, I think it should retain its current damage tiers.

>>31800320
Doesn't explain the other three

>>31800353
Volcarona has amazing stats and the best set up move in the game with no drawbacks.
If stealth rock wasn't a thing, it would be banned from OU.

all entry hazards deal 12%, no more no less, unless you have multiple layers of spikes up. like spikes+rocks=24%, 2 spikes=24%, etc.

that said, entry hazards aren't popular in 3v3 or doubles. really only in 6v6, and if you're in 6v6, you should have a defog or spinner, because you should be expecting hazards. Why not use Tsareena, she's a very good spinner. She has the bulk, a slow uturn, recovery, rapid spin, a decent spam stab, or play rough.

>>31800432
(that's what I *want* hazards to do, I'm not saying that's what they do, obviously)

>>31800432
>decent stab
No
>bulk
No
>unreliable recovery
>pure grass type
Lol

>>31799020
Only bad players complain about rocks, without hazards this game would be unplayable. Anyone trying to "fix" hazards is a stupid tryhard that thinks something is cancer just because it's used in the game, like Tapus or Lando. These same retards probably think Lando is broken and needs a suspect.

>>31800432
GF needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize that some people might want to play with all their pokemon instead of Stadium.

Removing rocks is always secondary and often not worth it.

>>31800476
>Without hazards this game would be unplayable
t. switchfag/stallfag
>inb4 B-BUT MUH-MENTUM!!1!

>>31800442
when did Synthesis become unreliable recovery? and 72/98 is solid bulk for everything besides x2.
you wanted a spinner, tsareena is a spinner that can take a good 3-5 hits from anything that's not supereffective, heck even supers like 80bp like pjab are usually 3ko.

>>31800492
You're retarded. Without hazards, Stall would be the absolute dominant playstyle and be nearly impossible to beat
t. 1100 elo

>>31800492
No hazards means that stall can strive. Wanting to nerf/ban hazards is a proxy buff to stall.

>>31800492
>t. switchfag/stallfag
>switchfag

What the fuck.

>>31800511
b-b-b-b-b-but muh u-turn, muh volt switch, i need to keep muh-mentum

>>31799608
No, you're still shutting down the hazards. Just the price is a bit...higher. Really depends on who is your Taunter and what their set-up is. For example, a Choice Scarf Weavile doesn't fear anything from Landorus (I think) and can just Ice Punch (Choice Band can just Ice Shard instead).

>>31800511
REEE HOW DARE YOU SWITCH SKARMORY INTO MY PHYSICAL ATTACKER IT'S NOT FAIR WHAT DO I DO?!?!

>>31800520
Thank you for proving only bad players complain about rocks

>>31800294
That'd be fine.
But personally, I think it just taking away the type weakness would great. How many stallmons are part flying or have levitate? If anything it could do 6% across the board and %12 to things that fly/levitate. How hard would that be?

>>31800602
>letting stallmons recover the damage in a single leftovers

How about no

>>31800677
Everyona can use leftovers.

>>31800417

the non stealh rock ladder back in gen 5 proves you wrong

>>31800734
>gen 5
It's 2017 and 2 gens later henny.

>>31800733
You just don't get it, stealth rock as it is prevents stall from dominating everything. If it were designed to do 6%, the damage would be so inconsequential that stall could take over as the dominant playstyle

>>31800757
And nothing about Volcarona has changed, whereas the power creep around it is insane. It'd be even more underwhelming now

>>31800760
Stall almost never has SR on their field. People lead Sableye for a reason.

>>31800757
Ah yes, a gen where Volc is worse will surely prove it to be broken without rocks.

>>31800760
>stall could take over as the dominant playstyle
>could
If stall isn't the most dominant playstyle right now, why is Duggy the one getting a Suspect Test?

>>31800779
>>31800773
A gen where Pheromosa, Mega Metagross and fairy type exist.

>>31800790
>11% usage Sableye
>dominant
Duggy is being suspected because the council are autists.

>>31800210
>alakazam's Magic Guard is now borderline useless

>>31800790
Any number of things can break stall to ridiculous levels. Dugtrio, M-Sableye and nerfed/removed hazards

>>31799950
And zero of them can get it simultaneously with their Hidden abilities since its wide distro was as a Gen 4 HM. Unless we get DiaPer remakes soon, they'll probably never come back and thanks to Ride pokemon, we might not even see it then

>>31800210
If only Capcom was smart enough to punish excess hadokens

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>>31800795
>Volc A in Gen 5
>A- in Gen 7
Ok
Nobody is saying Volc is not a good pokemon, but removing rocks will not make it busted.

>>31800811
Okay, so? One ability on one Pokemon that saves it from taking 12% now isn't as good, I'd say that's worth sacrificing for balancing the game

>>31800832
Busted has nothing to do with it.
Dugtrio isn't busted, and neither was Swagger last gen.

>>31800841
>neither was Swagger last gen
I too enjoyed having a 25% chance to play the game.

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Need remvoe Bug/Flyinog type? Ues Stealth Rocks to pesky buzzre skeep away!

>>31799078
Sableye's magic bounce!

>>31800873
Hello shoedrip

>>31800857
Literally just carry Numel

Get good scrubs, deal with it, shit isn't hard to get around, if your team is weak to SR learn to build a team.

>>31799020

The issue is that the majority of bug flying ice and bug are Fucking trash to stand on their own when combined

Volcarona is literally the only exception

>>31801612
Charizard
Pheromosa/Buzzwole
Pelliper
Salamence
Zapdos
Pinsir
A-Marowak

All OU despite a weakness to Rock.

>>31801638

I specifically meant
"When combined"

As in with the %50 weakness

Charizard is the one that fits the bill

>>31801834
Mega Pinsir does, too.

>>31799461
>predictions are skill based
Someone is unaware about stochastic processes

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>>31801638
>Pheromose/Buzzwole
>All OU despite a weakness to Rock.

???

>>31801638
>buzzwole/phero
>weak to rock

>>31801845
I'm not.

Please explain to this ignoramus how good prediction isn't a skill.

>>31800885
Didn't know Sableye could set up rocks.

>>31801612
We'll never know as long as there's a SRless meta.

>>31800258
And one turn after they will be removed by Skarmory while the mole dies to 3rd degree burns.

>>31800773
>>31800779
Volc is better than ever.

Rocks sucks

>>31803948
No, you suck