>600 bst >30 more than the Tapus and UBs >Seriously,

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"you have to be actively sabotaging this thing's stat distribution to make it terrible"

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>mfw the next pseudos are all going to be shit just like the previous two.

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SLOW
BULKY
MIXED
ATTACKER
WITH
A
FOUR
TIMES
WEAKNESS
TO
FAIRY

Non-Dragon pseudo when?

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>>31794396
If Gamefreak wants to make a bulky pseudo they should go full balls-to-the-wall with it.

Like Dragon /water/fire/poison/steel typing with gigantic hp and defense stats.

If only Clanging Scales is physical and it gets Close Combat this thing would've see use.

>No one has lewded this thing yet

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>>31794534
>He doesn't know where to look

>>31794534
This is one of the most incorrect things I have ever heard?

>>31794286
>Ugly
She's a Cute! A Cute!!

>>31794524
>If only Clanging Scales is physical
Its a spread move. Kommo-O benefits from not being vulnerable to Intimidate.
>it gets Close Combat this thing would've see use.
Don't forget Calm Mind and Aura Sphere. Even Drain Punch too but tutors will make that a reality anyway. The real problem is that it lacks the best Fighting type moves.

>>31794632

This. Would waifu

>>31794632
Same, she's cute

>>31794524
>>31794723
What if it was a special move the basics damage of the physical attack? Like a weird reverse Psyshock?

Also, what is it not get Aura Sphere? This gen was a waste

>>31794404
>What is Tyranitar
>What is Metagross

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>hydreigon gets a 4x weakness
>goodra
>kommo-o

We're never getting another good pseudo are we

>>31794804
We already got enough good psudoes gamefreak doesnt want anymore.

Also you guys kommo-o has access to flash cannon for fairies they are not that big a deal to it. You could even use a steelium-z if you want.

>>31794286
stat distro doesnt match up with movepool

if you give either one a more defined purpose it will become a better pokemon

>>31794877
Are you retarded?
Its not fast enough to out speed anything
It doesn't have near enough bulk to withstand a 4x super effective attack
Tapu koko can one shot it with dazzling gleam in doubles

It's a shit pokemon

Reminder that Totem Kommo-o is a complete joke and afraid of tiny bees.

>>31794286

Literally the only problem it has is a lack of a better physical Fighting move than Sky Uppercut.

Regardless, its best set is the special one anyway.

>>31794804
I'd rather have decent designs with mediocre stats than literally the worst possible design with the best possible stats like a certain pseudo whose name starts with a G and ends with a P

>>31794998
wtf garchomps design is great

>>31794967
If handling fairies is too hard for you don't blame kommo-o.

>>31794967
>It doesn't have near enough bulk to withstand a 4x super effective attack

>muh 4x weakness meme

>>31794286
This thing will be everywhere and destroying gaychomps when it gets shell smash. They say it was a mistake, but it wasnt. Why else would it be 4x weak to the most common threat in tge metagame? If it wasnt, then it would be unstoppable.

>>31794804
>hydreigon gets a 4x weakness

This didn't affect Hydreigon's viability at all, it's still as good as it ever was (better in fact due to Dark Pulse being extremely spammable now that Steel no longer resists it), Fairies mean jack shit to Hydreigon since it's always paired up with Steel types anyway

>>31795035

Fairy is not the most common threat in the game, it's actually a very mediocre type offensively. There's a reason why no one runs non-STAB Fairy attacks.

>>31795062
Ive used dazzling gleam mega sableye to deal with other sableye without it.
Gengar and alakazam can.

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>>31794424
Mommo-o

Steel/Dragon

Ability: Regenerator

Stats:

110 HP
110 Atk
115 Def
60 Sp Atk.
120 Sp. Def
85 Speed

Gets recover, wish and physical steel scald as a signature in addition to the current movepool of Kommo-o

Did I break it

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>>31795075
>Ive used dazzling gleam mega sableye

LOL

>Gengar and alakazam can

It's a sub-optimal option on both of them. Dazzling Gleam hits nothing that their STABs and Focus Blast can't.

>>31794967
>It doesn't have near enough bulk to withstand a 4x super effective attack
not much does.

36 SpA Diancie Power Gem vs. 248 HP / 52 SpD Ho-Oh: 240-288 (57.8 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Minimal investment no item and Power gem is a shitty fucking move but it still takes out 2/3 of Ho-oh's absolutely fucking ridiculous 106/154 bulk with only a base 100 attack.

>>31795117

>Dazzling Gleam hits nothing that their STABs and Focus Blast can't.
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Focus Blast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 195-230 (46.7 - 55.1%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Dazzling Gleam vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 263-309 (63 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Gengar Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 314-370 (94.8 - 111.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

>252 SpA Choice Specs Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 279-328 (84.2 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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>>31794396
ITS NOT FAIR, THEY CANT GET AWAY WITH IT

>>31794723
>>31794524
Who cares about it being Physical or not? The attack stats are both garbage

>>31795253

In what world are 110 and 100 garbage attack stats?

>>31795392
The world that's past gen II, anon.

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This is truly the saddest thing we ever had to live through.

>>31795114
the prevolutions are jarambo and jangover both dragons sadly.

>decidueye
>incineroar
>kommo-o
>solgaleo
>lunala

What other Alolamons were screwed over by GF trying to make them mixed attackers or making the offensive stat they don't use too high?

>>31796117

Solgaleo and Lunala are fine, it's normal for Ubers to be slow

>>31796146
They're not even slow, they're above average Ubers speed

>>31796146
>>31796201
Their defences are their main problem. They're the only primary version box legendaries with a stat under 90.

>>31794804
>Goodra
>Bad
Just because it wasn't a cliche dragon dance dragon didn't mean goodra was shit. It had so much versatility and it's spdef made it a counter to alot of strong attackers like Serperior, Venusaur, Amoongus, Keldeo, and Thundurus.

>>31794318
>>31794804
Garchomp Happened

>>31796564
Hold up.
>Venusaur
>Amoonguss
>strong by Gen VI and later standards
Nope.
>Serperior
>hard to counter by any means
Also nope.
>National Dex #706
>countering Keldeo
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 0 Def National Dex #706 : 279-328 (72.8 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Once again, nope.
Seriously why did you even post that list.

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>>31796248
Lunala is excellent in Ubers. I'm sad for poor Solgaleo, though, it's basically OU.

>>31797122

Solgaleo counters Xerneas, it has that going for it

>>31797139
>Solgaleo counters Xerneas
Well...
>+2 184+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Solgaleo: 235-277 (49.2 - 58%) -- 63.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>8+ Atk Solgaleo Sunsteel Strike vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 326-386 (71.9 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Assuming you come in on the Geomancy, the Specially Defensive set has a good chance of flat-out losing.
The Offensive Utility set has a small chance to OHKO with Sunsteel Strike, but can't even tank two Moonblasts post Geomancy.

>>31794286
I agree. It's sad how absolute trash Pseudos have been recently, both competitively and aesthetically.

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you can't have this

>>31794998
Garchomp has a good design, you shitter.

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>>31794998
>Implying Hydreigon, Goodra, and Kommo-o don't have shit tier designs

Best joke I've heard all week.

Reminder that if you're a Hydreigon, Goodra (>) or Kommo-o fan, it's Garchomp's fault your bro is shit. Game Freak has been actively holding back with pseudos since Gen 4.

>>31794998
except designs are subjective while stats are absolute, you shitter. I'll take a trillion metagross and garchomps with 50/50 designs and good stats over fucking hydreigon and kommo-o's safe but shit approach

>>31797264
Usually if this happens Solgaleo will spam Morning Sun to waste Focus Blast PP, and it usually works thanks to Solgaleo's ability stopping Sdef drops

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>>31797798
speaking of metagross are we ever going to get a pseudo that isn't fucking dragon again?

>>31797783
But Goodra is the only mediocre psuedo design you diarrhea eater

>>31797851
people who hate chomp hate those too
I think that's what he's going for

>>31797783
>Implying they do
Everyone's laughing at you kiddo.

>>31797849
No because Tyranitar was made to counter Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho Oh, and Metagross was made last minute to be Steven Ace

>>31796564
Goodra is awful. You would think that someone with that huge-ass Special Defense would be a good special sponge but the shit ass abilities that force it to use Rain Dance if it wants to work as a wall and the garbage attacking stats just make it a far inferior Chansey. For fuck's sake, the thing forgoes high damaging moves for utility like Dragon Tail

>>31797798
>lumping in Hydreigon with shit like Kommo-o and Sliggoo's evolution
At least Hydreigon was good enough to stay OU throughout its first generation. At least it had the excuses of a massive, almost laser-targeted type chart nerf and the addition of Megas that did its job better when it dropped. At least it still managed to rule the tier it fell to for a while instead of being a complete nobody like the slug dragon always was and Kommo-o will likely be wherever it ends up.
Fucking system keeps thinking my post is spam because of #706. Fuck Slugfucker and his enduring legacy.

Well atleast Hydreigon and Kommo-o are respectively a mega and some move tutors away from being good/decent(again respectively)

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>>31797851
>>31797867
Hydreigon
>Sock puppet looking heads, not threatening looking at all despite what it was going for
>Stubby legs with pot belly makes it look like a retarded floating baby

Goodra
>You all know what's wrong with Goodra

Kommo-o
>Dumb dodo bird looking face
>Retarded looking headdress
>Extremely lanky, rubber looking body underneath the glued-on scales coupled with a wonky posture making it look especially ridiculous and not at all powerful

I'd rather take Garchomp, who is at least powerful despite having a mediocre design, instead of these three who are not only useless competitively but also look godawful.

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>>31797935
>not threatening looking at all despite what it was going for
Hydreigon is clearly meant to be the cutest Pokemon you shitter.

Hydreigon, Kommo-o, and Goodra need good offensive or defensive abilities that actually work for them like every other fucking psuedo has, except for Metagross, which got a mega with a good offensive ability to fix it. It's also fucked up how Kommo-o's movepool is gimped to hell on purpose.

>>31797935
You just have garbage taste, son.

>>31797978
Good arguments bud

>>31797984
Who said I was trying to make a good argument you cum rag

>>31797966
I don't know what the fuck was going through their mind with Gooey. Aside from how fucking dumb it sounds that ability is legitimately one of the most fucking useless ever.

Sap Sipper, I guess it's nice but niche as fuck on a thing with that awful attack.

I would have gone with Hydration and also give it a Water or Poison typing (Yeah I know Dragalge is a thing but it could've also been the first Poison pseudo) allowing it to fire powerful Hydro Pumps under the rain or threaten the introduced Fairies with its variety of poison moves.

>>31797995
I accept your concession.

>>31794424
ENOUGH DRAGONS MAKE A BUG PSEUDO

>>31797999
Gooey would have been good if it reduced damage from physical attacks as well as lowered speed, or worked as some sort of auto Sticky Web that stayed as long as Goodra was in battle. I can see the idea they had behind Gooey, they wanted to give it an ability that would discourage attacking the weaker defense stat. That idea falls flat on its face when you realize you can switch out after taking out Goodra, however.

>Garchomp ruined psuedos forever

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>>31797966
Why is Bronzong the only Pokemon with Levitate that gets to have other ability options? Imagine what a Sheer Force or Contrary Hydreigon could do.

>>31798046
the idea falls flat because any good physical attacker is going just to not give a fuck about Gooey and 2HKO/3HKO Goodra. King's Shield is the right idea to discourage physical attackers, actually punish the stat they give a damn about.

>>31798080
That too

>>31795114
Is a steel version of Scald just pouring molten metal onto your opponent?

>>31798066
The only reason Bronzong has other abilities is because they wanted to create some shitty surprise factor thing with it where people would have to guess its weaknesses even though nobody runs Heatproof ever.

>>31798080
Hoodra honestly just needed Recover or similar to actually be good

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>>31797935
>Hating on sock puppet dragon

>>31797935
Hydreigon
>lesser heads in place of hands make it look unique instead of a generic hydra, also emphasizes how it's middle head is the only one with a brain, signifying good design visually.
>Stumpy legs make for good biological realism as its evolved to stay airborne most of the time. Look up vestigial limbs
>Like being potbellied/round has been a bad aesthetic before for most Pokemon, some even more popular than Hydreigon.

Kommo-o
>Face looks like a native American axe(forgot name). Makes for good design aesthetic considering its inspirations.
>Headress-Same as above. Look up inspiration.
>Concede at the body. I can't defend it except to say it doesn't bother me

Goodra
>I concede with Goodra.

So 2/3 One is actually well designed with little problems and one has a decent design that isn't offensive unless you're autistic.
Also Hydreigon still sees plenty of decent use competitively.
So overall, I'd say you have pretty shit taste lol.

>>31798118
I don't know why GF is stingy with reliable recovery with tanky pokemon. Shit like Mega Audino or Probopass would definitely appreciate having Recover, even if it wouldn't make them OU, they'd be better off having the move than not having it.

>>31798108
In gen 5, I ran balloon Bronzong with levitate

All Pseudos are great, top tier designs even if some deserved better stats. But we need more diversity, w ehavent had a non-dragon pseudo since gen 3

>>31798308

That's actually pretty clever

>>31794286
ur ugly

>>31794286
It's not ugly to furries, which is apparently a lucrative demographic.

>SLOW
>MIXED
>ATTACKER

GF this idea is not good and it never will be good. Seriously what are you doing.

>>31801206
>Implying GF actually thinks this
>Implying this is true
What an egotistical furfag we got here, do you really think you make up any more than 5% of the fanbase?

>>31794318
Hydreigon was amazing, its only problem was speed, then fairies happened

>>31797789
>Hydreigon
It was doing fine in Gen 5. Having zero dedicated counters was great.

>>31794804

>having 4x weakness is bad

What is Garchomp

>>31801799
Having a 4x weakness is bad

>>31798188
I'm well aware that Hydreigon has some interesting concepts, but it simply fails in the execution.

>Like being potbellied/round has been a bad aesthetic before for most Pokemon, some even more popular than Hydreigon.

They were good in spite of the bad aesthetic choice. Can't say the same for cumrag sock baby.

>Kommo-o
Again, they had a nice concept that ultimately didn't work. Kommo-o's overall body structure just makes it look like a weird rubber goose. You may be accepting of mediocrity, but people with taste aren't so forgiving.

>Also Hydreigon still sees plenty of decent use competitively.
Lol

>>31798035
Bug is not good defensive typing.
Fairies or not, Dragon has strong resistances to fire, water, electric and grass and pairing it with other types that have other good resistences, like water, fire, poison and steel makes for a potentially defensively strong pokemon, which was the whole point of that initial post.

tl;dr fuck off bug autist

>>31801866
doesn't mean you suck
Just ask volcarona, charizard-Y, garchomp, lando-T, ferrothorn, pheromosa, buzzwole, breloom...

ALL IT NEEDED WAS DRAIN PUNCH AND AURA SPHERE BUT NOOOOOOO

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>>31801866

Not when it's the only weakness you have.

>>31801871
>They were good in spite of the bad aesthetic choice
Care to elaborate? Otherwise you're not making a point here. "They were good"? So what, it's not good on Hydreigon why? Just because?
>You may be accepting of mediocrity, but people with taste aren't so forgiving.
Please direct to these people, because you sure as heck aren't one of them.
>Lol
Yeah because Hydreigon doesn't see some use in official competitive stuff like VGC. Oh wait.

>>31794286
Kommo-o is only good as a cum bucket.

>>31802026
And -40 Sp. Atk and +40 speed and gunk shot

>>31802057
Tyranitar has even more weakness on top of a 4x to a common type and is still OU as fuck.

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>>31798035

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>>31806148

Sounds good to me

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No need to make new pseudos good

If you just put the old ones into every game.

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>>31806567
>the only pseudos missing from SM were Larvitar's line (Deino available from island scan)

>>31806459
>not bug/poison
missed oportunity

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>>31806459
>Dragon Dance
>Quiver dance
>Fucking tail glow
>Those stats
>That insane move variety
>Illusion to give it a free turn to set up

Boy, and I thought GF was bad at balancing.

>>31796564
Assualt vest goodra was pretty good in UU last time I played showdown. Haven't played since last gen tho so things might have changed

>>31803783
>Care to elaborate?
Read my posts.

>Please direct to these people, because you sure as heck aren't one of them.
Yeah I am.

>Yeah because Hydreigon doesn't see some use in official competitive stuff like VGC. Oh wait.
>Not even useable in 2017

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>>31794286
>was REALLY hoping we wouldn't get another boring dragon pseudo
>got that shit

Fuck you Game Freak

>>31798080 >>31797892 >>31797110 >>31794804 >>31794318

Yeeeaah, no. goodra is a good pseudo legendary. yall just dislike it cause it's not a dragon dance user. a good set for goodra would look like this

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Gooey
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Muddy Water
- Sludge Wave
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt

>>31794804

It's less "no good psuedo" and more that the power creep has made psuedos unimportant.

>>31794804
the problem with hydreigon is its speed, make him 1 point faster than garchomp and that's all

>>31801594
I think Anon is talking about Goodra as the other pseudo.

>>31797999
SAP sipper unironically gives it a niche as a surefire Keldeo counter.

Specs Goodra had usage in OU as a lure with DracoMeteor and sludge bomb+Fireblast+thunderbolt/muddy water, again Sap sipper lets Goodra come on most grass types and force them out.

>>31810898
Where's rest?

>>31811026
I meant serperior nor Keldeo.

>>31809307
>Yeah I am.
In what world? Where dogshit is cuisine?

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>>31811043
go away verlis

>>31794777
2 out of like 8 when we've had dragons for 4 consecutive gens is what

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>>31797876
>be Tyranitar
>be made to counter op psychic types, which ruled gen 1 meta, as Mewtwo, Lugia or Alakazam
>type meant to counter them is special, so I have to use my less powerful attacking stat
WEW

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>>31811281
Maybe you'd actually enjoy the taste of dogshit given that you seem to enjoy shit things in general, such as Hydreigon and Kommo-o.

>>31801231
Nothing wrong with a slow mixed attacker. Now a slow FRAIL mixed attacker however is garbage. That kinda stat set ruined Gen 3 (Seviper, Cacturne, Shiftry, etc.)

>>31809368
This. The only thing worse than a Dragon pseudo is a Psychic legendary.

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>>31806459
>Rigged into existance but too pussy to remove it.

>>31810898
Nigger I don't like Goodra because it's shit at its job. The set you posted is especially garbage because
>no way to recover lost health, making it easy to wear down and eventually lose to the things it's supposed to be checking (this problem applies to damn near every Goodra set)
>no STAB, so it's doing fuck all for damage and can't even scare off the things it's supposed to be checking
>no offensive investment, which once again means you're doing jack shit for damage and can't scare away shit
Fucking Venusaur can beat that set by fishing for Poison with Sludge Bomb and hitting Synthesis after a Flamethrower or two. Venusaur, not even Mega.

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>>31794318
>he says this when Hydreigon was the #1 reason Fairy was introduced
Goodra also has its uses as an almost perfect rain counter in doubles

Kommo-O is the first real flop really
Should've given the poor thing Shell Smash if they're going to make the stat distribution that shit

>>31813540
>Hydreigon was the #1 reason fairies got introduced

It's because Drag2Mag in outrage spams existed. Sucker punch was really good, and Fighting types with CC reigned supreme

Hydreigon wasn't even "great" end of BW2 meta because of 98 speed and Garchomp was still classified as better

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-viability-ranking.3551993/

>>31806459
who was the fucking autist that thought 'hmm you know what this meta needs? A pseudo with an insane movepool, the best boosting moves, and illusion to allow for free set ups, totally balanced right?'

>>31806459
Wasn't the concept behind this Pokémon basically "let's make a Pokémon with shit typing but overcompesate with everything else in order to make it broken?"

>>31794286
So Dragonite thread?

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>>31812704
Nah dude, your (literal) shit taste was revealed when you revealed you dislike them for pathetic, autistic reasons.

Just give up man, you have no taste whatsoever. It's so bad you couldn't tell a clump of dirt from an entrée dish.

Fairy/Steel pseudo when

>>31794286
i like it's design

>>31797935
Never seen anyone spill so much garbage about hydreigon, good job

>>31813922
>Dragonite
>Competitively shit
Stop embarrasing yourself

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>>31814349
>Having good sense of aesthetic is autism now

I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but they just look bad

>>31814792
I dont feel anything when calling someone out for being objectively wrong.

>>31814621
>dies to a single super common move if it doesn't have HA
>with HA it still takes a ton of damage
>slower and less defenses than Kommo-o, just has 20 more points in HP and Atk
>awesome moves are locked behind tutors
>best STAB confuses you and the other one forces you to go special
The only thing it has over Kommo-o is that Dragonite can actually recover health and has 1 non-STAB priority.

>>31814945
Not him who's on New Pseudo side?

>>31814792
>having a shit sense of aesthetics is stating truth
ur face looks bad

>>31810898
You don't.
The only remotely Goodra Set is the Hydration one.
Either Bold for survability or modest to being able to run Dragon Pulse instead of Draco Meteor.

Hydration with Rest, Thunder, Muddy Water and Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse.
Now shut up.

>>31815001
>unless you use HA

Wow it's almost like Pokemon need certain abilities be good

Who would have thought

And to think just two gens ago Dragon/Fighting would have been fantastic typing.

>>31815001
Only thing it has over kommo-o is its superior movepool, regardless of whether it is locked behind tutors (what kind of argument is that?). Dragonite may have been getting outclassed each gen more and more, but comparing it to kommo-o, who has less good fighting moves than dragonite, is ridiculous. Also >muh swinub used icy wind
>>31815111
Trips of truth

>>31794306
Eh, this thing would have been shit anyway due to its typing.

>>31798035
Make it a Goliath beetle