Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

SM14 RAWS:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=897634

SM13 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_Sun_&_Moon_013_The_Great_Alola_Pancake_Race![H264_720P][61420AC0].mkv.torrent

XY&Z38 POKÉTV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_038_Kalos_League_Victory!_Satoshi's_Ultimate_Match!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][FC32602B].mkv.torrent

XY&Z47 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_047_No_End_to_the_Zeros!_Till_the_Day_We_Meet_Again!![H264_720P][EB1C0BCC].mkv.torrent

XY&Z SPECIAL 1 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_Special_-_The_Legend_of_XYZ![H264_720P][A2FE050C].mkv.torrent

XY&Z SPECIAL 2 RAW:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=869085

MOVIE 19 RAW:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=882608

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS SUN & MOON 15 - SCRATCHMARK HILL, IWANKO AND LUGARUGAN!! (FEBRUARY 23RD)
>When Satoshi returned home one night, Iwanko, who had been watching the house, has been injured! He and Professor Kukui were surprised by this, and decided to set up a surveillance camera to observe Iwanko in order to check what Iwanko does while they aren't at home. As they excitedly watched, Iwanko actually left the house and went off somewhere, and when they ran after it, they found...?!

UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 71 (Feb 19th)

SM16 - A Tiny Trio on a Big Adventure!! (Mar 2nd)
>Satoshi and his friends are playing with their Pokémon on the beach. But when Mokuroh and Ashimari have fun by entering a balloon together, the balloon suddenly gets blown off somewhere with the two of them still inside. A wild Nyabby then appears before the lost duo. They somehow make it take them back to where they came from, but...

SM17 - Alola Detective Rotom! The Mystery of the Lost Crystal!! (Mar 9th)
>When Satoshi arrives at the Pokémon School, he notices that his Electric-Z has gone missing. Rotom approaches the panicking Satoshi, offering to help search for it. Rotom is crazy about crime shows, and says it wants to solve a mystery just like a detective does.

POKÉMON XY&Z CHARACTER SONG PROJECT COLLECTION VOL 2:
http://www53.zippyshare.com/v/6lUViAS6/file.html

ALOLA!:
https://mega.nz/#!EAcUCTrZ!pVFBHejs9JcUzK7M1YE2oQ_ns753N5O0ldYFfHW_ra0

POSE:
https://mega.nz/#!TlYTBZ5A!kZi8TzDkFIHwsU10_0PuZrVDoymIGjuPWWg0XcXxDws

Banpresto no uta

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Flying to the new thread, hoping we get more subs soon.

So huh... What's there too look for exactly in the upcoming three episodes?

Thread song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-yIiu69850

>>31784907
More Nyabby.

>>31784907
Well Kokoro is going to get bullied on TV, so there's that. Aikatsu looks like it's going to be another action movie episode, and Pokemon doesn't exist this week.

>>31784939
>Aikatsu looks like it's going to be another action movie episode
It's a Rola/Mahiru episode, which is pretty nice.

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>>31784862
>tfw no movie 20 hat
I think it looks cool.

>>31784939
Also, no tiefu.

>>31784974
I guess that's why they call her NOzomi.

>>31784992
On another note, I've had "Start Dash Sensation" on repeat now for like three days. Is something wrong with me?

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Dawn best girl.

>>31784907
We should get subs very soon. Adamant said they would probably come today, but if not today then I'm sure it'll be tomorrow.

>>31785000
When I first heard the original Cocotama ED I ended up with that on repeat for days too. Same with the second ED.

>>31784907

Besides them hopefully explaining how Rockruff's evolution works in the anime, Rockruff learning a new move and evolving, will it defeat that Magmar, is the other Lycanroc the ally or foe. What did Kukui catch Ash doing on camera (although I doubt they're going to show that,its probably just a preview thing) Also some Rockruff and Kukui backstory.

We can hope Litten stays with the group specifically Ash after helping out Popplio and Rowlet if not I hope there's some soft of conflict that allows Popplio to show off some attacking moves or something that adds to its personality. because we already had Litten and Rowlet show off what the can do on the offense.

As for Rotom's episode, I stumped, but i'm assuming either Ash lost the Electrium in the house or outside the house and a Pikipek/Alolan Meowth picked it up. Rotom accusing some of the main characters for a little chuckle/forced chuckle here and there.

>>31785024
it would be pretty shit if Ash gets Litten in that episode

>>31785000
Yes, Lovely Party Collection is a much better song.

>>31785057
I tried that one, it didn't stick to me. The swinginess of it was a bit off-putting.

>>31785057
>>31785000
Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to have an Aikatsu song folder by the end of the day?

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The last text you sent is now in a valentine card Vivit is going to deliver to Nozomi on your behalf. How fucked are you?

>>31785073
Because this: https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=852265

what are eggs anyways? some tamagotchi rip off?

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>>31785086
This level of fugged.

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>>31784921
That's a given I guess.

>>31784939
That's cool and all anon but I was talking about Pokémon.

>>31785024
I think the Rotom episode sounds like the most interesting so far based solely on the summaries.

The director was in an interview confirming that Ash kissed kaiwe in episode 11 but they couldn't show it on screen so just showed their hands

>>31785114
More like Japanese Littlest Pet Shop.

The toyline is a series of houses and furniture for little creatures made using everyday objects, and you Cocotamas can play in the house and enjoy the $50 add-ons you buy and shit.

The show is about the Cocotamas themselves, who are the spirits of objects that people have treasured. If an object is looked after well and cared for, it's spirit is given the chance to become a God, however they start as a God in training and must use their magic to help humans to earn Happy Stars. If they do this enough times they become full Gods. If they are seen by a human they must either return to their object or make a contract with that human, requiring the human to build them a house before midnight that day.

>>31785168
>The show is about the Cocotamas themselves, who are the spirits of objects that people have treasured. If an object is looked after well and cared for, it's spirit is given the chance to become a God, however they start as a God in training and must use their magic to help humans to earn Happy Stars. If they do this enough times they become full Gods. If they are seen by a human they must either return to their object or make a contract with that human, requiring the human to build them a house before midnight that day.
what the hell

>>31785177
"Cute little hamster things bumble around and try doing good deeds."

>>31785177
It's less complicated than I made it sound.

>>31785024
I am personally hoping that Rotom's episode cements him as being a bro-tier character, I highly doubt that the episode will wind up doing that but dear god do I hope so, Rotomdex has way too much potential for him to have such a shit personality and reputation among viewers of the show.

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>>31785122
>Yume's mom is Serena
>Yume's dad is hetero Tierno
XY Ash cucked again

>>31785318
Shut up Tierno.

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>>31785318
>hetero Tierno
>XY Ash cucked again
What did they mean by this?

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ded

>>31785550
no is rest

>>31785355
Kiawe did you have something to do with this?

>>31785555
>>31784444
>>31783333
>>31782222
>>31781111
>>31780000
>>31779999
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>>31777777

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>>31785605
What?

Only 16 posters in the thread. It's been hours. This is so depressing. /padt/ is really on life support.

>>31786227
Fuck off.

This thread was posted 2 hours ago. After 2 hours...this is the only posts. This place is a ghost town. Seriously, if /padt/ ends there will be no good place to discuss the anime ever again.

>>31786275
Fuck off.

>>31786227
The life support is keeping it alive by talking about that egg show. But that really is an invalid discussion.

>>31786302
>replying to Scott spam

>>31786302
>But that really is an invalid discussion.

It's the only way to get discussion of that show. Nobody talks about it on /a/, so threads always archive with at the most 5 posts and there's only one other guy on /ai/ who watches it, and if I'm not there at the same time he is our posts go ignored.

>>31786275
>>31786227
Fuck off, Scott.

It's just kind of depressing. I never saw 2014 era /padt/ outside of a few archived threads. First came here around January 2015. Had I known this place existed when XY began I would have come here back then. I have to say the last 2 years flew by fast. XY ended too quickly.

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Anybody said eggs?

>>31786227
Its like 1 am in America, the IPs would double if not nearly triple easily.

>>31785277
Rotom does need something to make him seem worthwhile as its own character. I don't mind it bumping heads with Lillie for who has the most knowledge on a Pokemon, but Rotom should have something going for it even if its something cliche like blocking an attack that would hit Ash during the UB arc. I doubt that would happen not because "Le wacky ebin humor" but because they usually save potential tearjerkers for the movies which it seems like we won't get one for Alola this year

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Is her inactivity merely a ruse to lull us into a false sense of security? How can we prepare ourselves?

>>31786594
Just avoid calling her little and we should be safe for awhile

>>31786594
Not like when she's active we'll notice a difference.

>>31786594
It's weird, I really liked Lana in her episode but after that she hasn't done anything. I think the large cast this saga really is a problem. They should have axed Sophocles entirely, and made Lana a recurring character rather than main.

>>31786946
Cute but a little photoshop would't hurt.

>>31786979
Yeah, sorry about that

Ash spurting

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>>31787263

3 hours later...this thread is still dead. Guys, post some discussion. Otherwise we may as well close up shop.

>>31786358

Dawn. Sexual girls are the smelliest

Just started SM, it's pretty funny desu
They are selling Lillie too much though, not that I dislike it

You can't create character that is more useless than Misty...oh wait SM cast exists.

>>31785162

>le director meme again
Calm your tits, Fujoshit.

>>31785007
>no tits = no feminity

So we're getting movie news on Oha,right?

SM18 news when?

>>31787610
Quite likely.

is this season good compared to the last?

>>31787800
Obviously not.

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who /happyfamily/ here?

>>31787800
Obviously yes it is

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>>31787921
That's a cute family.

>>31787965
>>31787921
Ash and Lillie get in a horrible car wreck and die right after that picture was taken and she's raised by her grandmother.

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>Got sick of the anime after D&P
>Marathon the episodes last night because I was sick
>Now I want more Sun and Moon
I'm glad they went with SOL instead of Ash walks for 170 episodes and then loses the league

>>31787800
Nope

>>31786594
What member even does anything apart from fire head and "I don't like touching Pokémon b-baka"
Green is an exposition shouter to the point she might as well be the Rotom dex
Fatty is a useless autist
Lana is cute but however..... She's also cute

>>31788010
How terrible.

>>31788010
And the culprit was Serena.

SM is good

>>31787522
She is young so they still have to grow.
>>31788091
No

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DroQyGoFuL0

>>31788576
Then don't bump it you stupid idiot.

>>31786594
Nah she's just useless.
I'd rather have Sophocles' episodes.

SM15 summary from Adamant:

>Satoshi and the others worry over Iwanko, who returned home full of injuries. It turns out that Iwanko has been training every night in order to get stronger. Satoshi and Pikachu decide to start training together with it!

>Summary:
>One night, Iwanko returns home covered in scratches. Satoshi and Professor Kukui were surprised by this, and they decide to use a camera to check what Iwanko does while everyone else are out. They excitedly watched the footage, and saw that Iwanko left the house and disappeared off somewhere! They hurry after it, and find...?!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Daisuke Namikawa: Rotom Zukan
>Kei Shindo: Lilie
>Kaito Ishikawa: Kaki
>Reina Ueda: Mao
>Hitomi Kikuchi: Suiren
>Fumiko Takekuma: Māmane
>Keiichi Nakagawa: Professor Kukui
>Megumi Hayashibara: Iwanko
>Rikako Aikawa: Ashimari
>Mika Kanai: Togedemaru
>Chika Fujimura: Amakaji
>Kenta Miyake: Bakugames
>Yuji Ueda: Lugarugan
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration

>>31788879
Oh hey the classmates ARE in the episode

>>31788879
>It turns out that Iwanko has been training every night in order to get stronger. Satoshi and Pikachu decide to start training together with it!

So it's just going to be a training ep then

>>31788979
There could be more to it, although I hope that Magmar has some more relevance to the episode. It could be the drive Rockruff needs to evolve

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I have a question.

Is there a complete watch order of all the Pokémon anime ever made out there? I'm particularly interested about where movies fit and between which episodes. I did find some answers over yahoo questions and similar websites but still, isn't there a general consensus for those?

Links I got so far which have somewhat different answers :
http://anime.stackexchange.com/a/35778
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100707224114AAclKqT

I'm aware watching nearly 1000 episodes is a huge task but I'm not exactly in a urge to catch up. I'd just like to have everything properly planned per advanced in a .txt or something. Also worth mentioning I'm watching everything raw, already 10 episodes in.

>>31788879
>It turns out that Iwanko has been training every night in order to get stronger.
Well, so much for the "mystery" of why it was hurt...summary spoils it.

Okay so it's nice that it's trying to get stronger, but...to what end?

>>31789001
rockruff ain't evolving

>>31789013
Yeah, someone wrote one a year ago or so, it should be in the archive.

>>31789013
>>31789028
Original series:
PM1-38
PM65-66
PM39-47
PM52
PM48-51
PM54-57
PM53
PM58-64
PM67-68
Movie Short 1
Movie 1
PM69-77
Pikachu's Winter Vacation OVA 1
PM78-106
Movie 2 Short
Movie 2
PM107-128
Pikachu's Winter Vacation OVA 2
PM129-157
Movie 3 Short
Movie 3
PM158-180
Pikachu's Winter Vacation OVA 3
Mewtwo Returns TV Special
PM181-207
Movie 4 Short
Movie 4
PM208-232
Raikou TV Special
PM233-258
Movie 5 Short
Movie 5
PM259-276

Advanced Generation:
AG1-2
Side Story 1
AG3
Side Story 2
AG4
Side Story 3
AG5-6
Side Story 4
AG8-13
Side Story 5
AG14
Side Story 6
AG15-19
Side Story 7
AG20-29
Side Story 8
AG30-34
Movie 6 Short
Movie 6
AG35-40
Side Story 9
AG41-44
Side Story 10
AG45
Side Story 11
AG46
Side Story 12
AG47-67
Side Story 13
AG68-85
Movie 7
AG86-87
AG ANA Special 1
AG88-93
Side Story 14
AG94
Side Story 15
AG95
Side Story 16
AG96-135
Movie 8
AG136-137
AG ANA Special 2
AG138-184
Movie 9
AG185-186
AG ANA Special 3
AG187-193

>>31789039
Diamond & Pearl:
DP1-39
Movie 10
DP40-41
DP ANA Special 1
DP42-86
Movie 11
DP87
DP ANA Special 2
DP88-135
Movie 12
DP136
DP ANA Special 3
DP137-165
Ranger 3 Special 1
DP166
Ranger 3 Special 2
DP168-183
Movie 13
DP184-DP185
DP ANA Special 4
DP186-191

Best Wishes:
BW Pre-Premiere Special
BW1-18
DP Special 1-2
BW19-41
Movie 14
BW42
BW ANA Special
BW43-86
BW Season 2 1-2
Movie 15 Spinoff OVA
BW Season 2 3
Movie 15 Short
Movie 15
BW Season 2 4-6
15th Anniversary Special
BW Season 2 7-23
BW New Year Special
BW Season 2 24
BW Season 2 Episode N 1-14
BW Season 2 Decolora Adventure 1-11
Movie 16 TV Special
Movie 16 Short
Movie 16
BW Season 2 Decolora Adventure 12-20
BW Season 2 Decolora Adventure Dent Special

See
http://pastebin.com/anb9qe55 for XY

SM is
SM1-8
New Year Special
SM9-14
so far (and the special isn't subbed yet)

>>31789013
The problem is that not all 950-ish, or however many episodes there actually are, have been subbed. So no matter what, you will need to watch a huge chunk of those episodes dubbed, unless you speak nip and know how to find raws of old unsubbed episodes.

>>31789039
>>31789050
Thanks a lot. May I ask why...
>PM48-51
>PM54-57
>PM53
it's ordered that way at times?

>>31789060
I do speak nip, only problem are the Pokémon or move names since I've only ever played the games in French or English so far but it's no problem given I look at what I'm watching. It's actually pretty funny since they're all pun names.

>31789060
As for the raws nyaa has them.

>>31789074
Due to the Porygon episode sending the show on a four month hiatus, stuff that was written with the intent of being aired in January 1998 ended up getting aired in April and so on. This was usually not much of a problem, but the three episodes based around the group celebrating Christmas, Hinamatsuri and Children's Day would've been really awkwad to just randomly show like that, so they got set aside and eventually aired during random one-hour specials even though this fucked somewhat with the plot progression.
For some reason a snow themed episode also got this treatment, god knows why.

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>>31789039
>>31789050

>>31789101
I see, I figured it was something like that, cheers.

>New Year Special
>(and the special isn't subbed yet)

If it's not too long I wouldn't mind helping /vp/, if it's wanted that is. If some Pokéfansub team is already working on it though I won't.

>>31789164
PM is already working on it, and implied it would probably be out this week due to the break.

>If it's not too long
It's three times the length of a normal episode. Which is the entire reason it's not subbed yet.

If you'd like to help with other things I'm sure they'd be interested though, you can try mailing them. It's [email protected]

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>>31789309
GUUU?

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>>31786946
>>31786979
>>31787224
Hopefully this is decent enough

butsecks

>>31789380
>>31786946
Fuck...are you trying to give me diabetes?

>>31789380
Nice

>>31788216

May and Serena, by definition, are young too, and have bigger breasts than Dawn.

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The only way to save Serena is to advance the show so fast that it goes back in time.

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>>31789583
Wat

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>Serena right now

>>31789687
Autism.

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>>31789696
O-okay

>>31789583
Is this supposed to show Serena being upgraded?

God WHY IS SERENA SO PRETTY AND PERFECT

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>>31789816
Because she's in love.

>>31789816
Because you have nonexistent standards.

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>>31789879

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Find a flaw

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>>31789879
People with standards will know that long hair is always better.

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>>31789816
Fuck off.

Some news?

>>31789977
Nope.

>>31789990
>>31789977
Soon hopefully

>>31789955
She looks bad with long hair tho

I thought BW:DA! was bad enough being an entire series spinoff consisting of nothing but filler. But SM is even worse, it's basically BW:DA but spun across an entire main series. Three years about to be wasted. Sad.

>>31790006
Except we've been hoping that for the last month.

>>31790019
Bonnie pls

>>31790030
Keep the faith m8

>>31790025
>Implyinglacia
link me to the site that has the full SM season since you finished it already

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>>31790019
I don't dislike it, but the way she had this medium-length hair whatevers that fell on her shoulders/collarbone, while in the back her hair looked was way longer and basically looked like a zucchini...that kind of irked me. To say nothing about how corny I thought her frilly red skirt paired with a snug black sleeveless blouse looked on such a skinny frame.

I appreciate how her new design really felt more balanced, more sophisticated. To say nothing about how cute she looks in it, especially with her new hairstyle.

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>>31790074
>her new design really felt more balanced, more sophisticated.
It's a hideous clown outfit with too many colors. Also her short hair would look a lot better if she didn't make her hair wavy.

>It seems some guys have a fetish for Serena's hair.

>>31790074
The jacket ruins it by being too clunky around the bottom. Get rid of it and she becomes perfect.

>>31789915
Shitty taste in boyfriends.

>>31790125
>Also her short hair would look a lot better if she didn't make her hair wavy.
Shit taste.

>>31790133
Her hair is really nice

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>>31790125
>It's a hideous clown outfit with too many colors.
Dropped.

>>31790137
Eh, it doesn't ruin it for me, but fair enough.

>>31790074
Based.

>>31790133
>>31789955
>>>/pol/

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>>31790223

>>31790259
I miss her.

>>31790280
>>31790259
I can never remember if that's Armelle or Clarisse.

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>>31790285
It's Armelle.
Clarice is the Yayakoma girl.

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>>31790285

>>31790321
Cute, but get rid of the angry brows and tweak the hair/bangs on her forehead.

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>>31790296
I'm personally a Blanche guy myself, but both of them are cute.

>>31790339
And give her long hair.

>>31790349
No.

Mina when?

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>>31790345
Swanna Girl will always be mine, though Cal was also a qt.

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Tier 1
DP, XY

Tier 2
AG, OS

Tier 3
SM, BW

Is this correct?

>>31790362
Your waifu is shit

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>>31790376
Maybe, but her Mirror Universe counterpart isn't.

>>31790373
No

>>31790373
Switch XY and OS.

>>31790382
Why?

>>31790373
DP > XY (second year) > XYZ (anything not league) > AG > Kanto > Johto = BW (season 1) = XY (first year) > SM > BW (season 2) >>>> BW (DA arc) = Hitler >>>>>> XYZ (league) > BW (league)

>>31790392
Drugs are bad, anon

>>31790400
It's not inaccurate.

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>>31790345
Patrician taste

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>>31790392
DP > OS > XY > AG > Johto > SM > BW

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>>31790442
She really is cute isn't she?

>>31790448
Eh, I can agree with this. I might switch XY with Kanto, but Kanto is just fun to watch for entertainment value even if all the battles are crap.

>>31790392
>unironically putting one of the worst paced seasons on first spot
DP should've had a Battle Frontier kind of arc.

>>31790473
Kek, it doesn't matter. DP had a lot of plot material.

>>31790473
A lot of people like DP because it was their first series, so it's understandable.

>>31790518
That can be said about every season.

>>31790373
OS = AG = DP = XY = SM > BW

But no really, AG = DP > Kanto/Orange Islands = SM > XY > Johto > BW

>>31790540
Yeah, in 10 years you will probably see a lot of people praising XY (and maybe even BW)

Anons if you were to retire Ash as the protagonist, when would you do it?

Generation 10 would be perfect for me

>>31790581
Gen 4.

5, 6 and 7 are all different characters anyway. 5 is a mong, 6 is a shonen action hero and 7 is a toned-down version of 6 who's a fish out of water. I literally can't recognise Ash anymore when comparing his modern self to the one I grew up watching.

>>31790581
As soon as possible.
At least they finally gave him a love interest.

>>31790581
Gen 3.
Make him win league by the by a hair, start gen 4 with new protag, and then show Ash dominating the league in gen 5

I love Lillie

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>>31790726
thats a funny way to spell serena anon.

>>31790748
Serena loves someone else. Anyone who loves her is a literal cuck.

>>31790758
well said anon

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Do you agree with him anime fags?

>>31790794
>rushed Tripokalons
>shit league

Nope. Late XY/Early XYZ maybe, but the league was too shit to let XYZ be the best eeason.

>>31790794
Yeah, no contest.

>>31790794
That depends. I do enjoy the battles a lot, and the amour is so cute since everyone wanted serena to win da ashbowl, so i can say yes in that regard, but there were some boring fillers in the show including korrina trying to master mega evolution, or the fucking eevee that everyone wanted to kill.

DP is also great for the battles, the buildup between ash and paul, and good friendship between ash and dawn, as one of my only complaints was the fuckin darkrai and latios that guy used against ash since he literally had no weakness as he beat his main rival in paul with his sinnoh pokemon until this guy showed up out of no where.

>>31790794
You do realize this fucker is watching the dub right
?

>>31790518
All the people who like DP started watching with Kanto. I seriously doubt anyone here's first season was DP.

>>31790748
Meh

>>31790851
Why does that matter? I can't stand reading text for 21 minutes for an episode. Sometimes they go away too fast that I have to rewind the episode to finish reading them.

>>31790861
You have no idea

>>31790851
Yeah, I guess most normies watched it through Netflix.

>>31790871
Original > Dubbed

>>31790871
Please tell me you're joking.

>>31790567
SM above XY? Explain.

>>31790906
He's got shit taste

>>31790794
I don't agree, XY is the best in terms of battles but I feel its rather low in terms of characters and writing, the XY gang is quality wise, around the OS group during Johto in terms of how enjoyable they are for me.

OS was overall the best when it came to humour and characters barring Johto, AG struck a decent mix but isn't as good as DP in battles or as good as OS in character, DP was very good when it came to the Pokemon and battles and how Ash developed throughout the series, Dawn is also a top tier female companion, Brock was the biggest letdown due to him far outliving his lifespan in the anime, BW was trying to be OS but failed horribly, XY has the best battles overall but one of the worst when it comes to characters and plotlines, SM thus far is shaping up to be one of the better series when it comes to characters, maybe even on the level of OS and has the potential to hit a similar level to DP or maybe even XY in terms of battles but that is only if the Anime starts having Ash act more serious and invested in battling.

>>31790897
I feel the same way he does. 21 minutes of reading over a large number of episodes is hard work, especially when your eyes are focusing on subtitles and not the action onscreen.

The dub is unmitigated garbage, but it's more accessible to lose people who haven't been watching fansubs all theur life.

>>31790934
Bonnie/Clemont were always entertaining to me. Don't understand how people can accept post-Kanto Brock largely being the background exposition character with no real development or interesting pokemon for 500+ episodes, yet they rag on Clemont for being sidelined for parts of XY.

I mean when you stop to think of it, the moment Brock returned for Johto he pretty much never had a big role or any purpose in the anime again. He just functioned as the occasional comic relief and bland exposition guy.

Oha when?

>>31790940
I barely ever watched subs until late DP and XY, and even then I can read through it real quickly and keep up with the action.

I also watched all 75+ eps of Dragonball Super subbed since 2015, and it's the same thing there and that's an action show.

>>31790960
Also while Clemont became a bit useless after his battle with Ash, he regained the spotlight during the Flare arc.

He's definitely one of the most favored male companions.

>>31790977
Fuck off Scott

>>31790861
You're wrong, there are a lot of people here who were born past 96 whose first series would have been DP. Most genwunners stopped watching the anime ages ago, or we would see way more people saying OS was the best.

>>31790977
It's still tiring for many people. You might be able to do it with ease, but not everyone can manage to find the stamina to keep it up for an entire series.

If you watch it as it airs then sure, it's easy, but if you leave it and get left with a huge collection of episodes left to watch, trying to marathon them is tiring.

>>31791023
Nobody here, or even on Serebii/Bulbagarden, started with DP as their first saga. You'd probably find people on youtube like that, but not here.

Virtually everyone I've seen online over the last decade started at some point in the OS. I also very rarely see people say AG was their first saga, even though that would be obvious for some given that's 14 year old series now. Literally all the big DP fans were the original pokemon fans who started with the OS.

>>31791026
If you're watching online, you can simply stop the video at certain points if you don't keep up. The XY dub is just so poor that I can't imagine why anyone would put up with it over the original, it literally sucks all the chemistry and enjoyment out of the saga.

I honestly think some of the people who didn't like XY is because they only watched the dub.

It makes me laugh as these guys believe themselves to be critical of a trashnime for children.

Can you fuckers stop responding to Scott? Half of the posts last hour are his

>>31791056
I'll rewatch it subbed when Adamant finishes the special subs and nakes the batch torrent, but fuck downloading 130+ torrents individually.

>>31790934
>XY has the best battles overall but one of the worst when it comes to characters and plotlines,

What. Outside of Serena's first year in XY, the characters were all handled fine. XY Ash may not have been the most "entertaining" but it's exactly where his character should be at this point with all his development.

Alan himself was fine despite him never losing to Ash, but I liked all the other aspects of his character. Shota was ok, and the other rivals are from the XY games so they didn't have much choice to change them.

>>31790960
Yeah I don't think Brock was too good post Kanto but I think he still retained his charm during AG but after that he kinda just became a background character that just suck up precious screentime.

Bonnie was always great imo and I think the best of the XY cast, Clemont was good but like you said he was sidelined often, Post his battle with Ash he didn't really feel like he had anything left to offer, his story ended when he gave Ash the Gym Badge and after that he started losing his luster.

Serena wasn't a character that really engaged me either, they wasted way too much time with her whole "Finding a Goal" plot which made her somewhat annoying then when she did find her goal...well let me just say that her performances were kinda lame and her "growth" felt like it was a informed thing rather than something we could see with our own eyes.

Honestly I felt like May and Dawn both managed to stay engaging throughout their stories and Misty was very entertaining until Johto, Brock was pretty good for OS and was still decent in AG and I think Cilan was rather nice in BW but I could see how he would annoy viewers.

Personally I would rate it as:

May/Dawn > Misty > Serena > Iris

Brock (OS) > Clemont = AG Brock = Tracey > Cilan > DP Brock

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>>31790794
It started good but eventually it was doomed to be worse than DP for ruining Serena, having another female main character and the rushed league.

>>31790940
Burgers need to learn to read

>>31791117
Clemont started losing interest after his gym battle as a character, Alan was kind of irritating of a character and it felt like his development as a trainer and person came out of nowhere, Shota was pretty good, Bonnie was amazing, Serena was a drag to watch.

Honestly I feel as if the overall cast reminds me of AG but the Main Group reminds me of a mix of AG and OS (Johto)

>>31791147
kill yourself

>>31791117
Alan was a twat and Shota had an untucked shirt design I just can't look past due to severe autism.

Bonnie was the best companion Ash has had thus far, and Clemont was good even if he got sidelined later on. First year Serena is unforgivable in my mind (again, autism), though she got much better when they stopped being lazy cunts with her. Ash ws an issue for me, because they took away the humor from him and turned him into a generic shonen protagonist. Everyone loving and idolising him makes him seem more like a hero and less like the Ash I grew up with.

>>31790906
I put more stock into the Humour and personalities of characters over Battles and I find SM better than XY in that regard.

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I miss best boy. SM sure could use some edgy ness.

>>31791190
I don't see how any of the SM characters are that funny. Lillie makes autistic faces, that's about it.

Kiawe is the stoic straight man, Sopcholes is irritating, and Mallow/Lana just do the same things any previous female companion does.

>>31791185
In a way I just saw Alan as the successor to Paul. The edgy dark-haired rival who was almost a villain but not quite, and pushed Ash to get stronger. Only difference is Ash never manged to beat him due to plot armor, but he functioned in his role rather well.

I seriously can't think of any other kind of big rival for Ash at this point. They'll either continue giving him friendly rivals like Shota, Barry, Stephen, etc, but nothing to make him better.

>>31791147
No one wonder why your family hates you.

>>31791225
Alain was never a villain of any kind. The only villainous thing he did was capture Zygarde, because he was being controlled.

He had absolutely no ideological or character conflict with Ash, he was a "friendly rival" in every regard. He was nothing like Paul.

>>31791229
Is this supposed to be shaming? Anyway, they're ignorant fools, I hate them.

>>31791204
They all have their own little moments and quirks that make them great characters imo, like Kiawe being a stubborn bastard with an adoring affection for his little sister or Lillie overcoming her fear of Pokemon, Mallow is the Genki girl who tends to be "in your face" when it comes to her interactions, Kukui while not funny is a pretty nice guy who has way better puns than Samson etc etc.

I feel that right now the characters are infantile due to only 14 episodes but with time they will show more of their positive traits that I have already noticed that makes them better than the XY characters to me.

Sophocles will always be fucking trash though

>>31791202
Lets hope that Gladion proves himself to be a edgy and competent rival.

>>31791258
they are pretty trash, honestly. Mallow is like Tracey and Lana and the fatfuck are useless

Am I the only one who dislikes the fact that the writers nowadays just have the females in the main cast be nothing but useless waifus?

It just feels so uninteresting with the female main characters barely catching any Pokemon, not training them, not battling with them...

>>31791258
It's a 5 main cast, and most of the series is still about Ash, I doubt any of the characters bar Lillie will get much development as SM progresses. In fact I think they'll all largely remain the same as they are now.

None of them have any real goals or things they're trying to accomplish, there's nothing for them to work towards.

>>31791252
Considering you're living off your parents, you should treat them better.
The fact that they haven't kicked out a lazy piece of shit like you shows how much they love you.

>>31791267
Hey man that's your opinion and you are totally entitled to it, I personally think that the SM cast are pretty good and that the XY cast was subpar and we can just leave it at that.

>>31790794
Nah, all XY had was the best animated battles, but they weren't that interesting in strategy and had no emotional drive behind them. It really excelled at nothing, it was just better than BW.

>>31791279
I can picture both Lillie and Kiawe developing as the series goes on and of course Ash will grow stronger and maybe develop over the course of the series.

Mallow Lana and Sophocles are all low tier right now but I can picture Lana becoming more of a Action girl as Team Skull becomes more involved in the series and maybe Aether Foundation.

>>31791284
XY's battles were some of the best of the series, and aside from some strategy in the DP ones, they were just as good.

>>31791282
yeah but even if you think the xy is bad, the sm is also too

>>31791279
Goals don't automatically make someone interesting. Serena proved that.

All they need is some chemistry and character dynamic with Ash to move the series along, and they have it. Lillie will get more.

>>31791310
Huhn? I don't think XY is bad, I just feel it focuses too much on the battling aspect of the anime and focuses too little on the characters and humor when compared to previous seasons.

SM thus far has been decent with battles and I think its humour and characters are better than XY but I can't really say "SM is totally better than XY in every way and XY is trash" until the first season at the very least is over. I just subjectively think that SM > XY.

>>31791273
They've been doing that as far back as Misty.

>>31791325
wew

http://www.daiichipan.co.jp/decochar/

Drampa soon?

>>31791333
>SM thus far has been decent with battles

Nice meme. One real battle, against Hala, which was only like 5 minutes long and utter shit.

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>>31791333
>SM thus far has been decent with battles

>>31791390
Well I mean once again, that is your opinion or I guess the opinion of whoever I am replying to. I think that subjectively, SMs battles have been decent and as the series progresses they will get better and more frequent but that's just me thinking of a future that may never come.

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>>31791273
There's no such thing as a female character that is immune to being treated as waifu bait. It's only a matter of overrated or underrated, and even then, underrated waifus are ignored for logical reasons. If they really wanted to try making a main female character who catches and battles as much as Ash, she'll still be treated as useless waifu bait by that standard.

>>31791302
How can they be just as good when they had so much less going on contextually? There was no character conflict or overarching narrative to give them tension and substance, they just sort of happened and looked cool.

XYZ remembered to have some last minute character building but it didn't compare at all to the series long struggle between Ash, Paul and Chimchar, among other plots.

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>>31791147
whats wrong with having the bonnie? shes adorable and only suffered throughout the show.

Since when is character development necessary for a series to be considered good?

Back then characters didn't get a lot of development except maybe for May or characters like Dawn who always remained on the same line but have some small differences at the end of the season, and truth is other than XY with characters like Alan or Serena who got big character transformations through the series, character development hasn't really been a main point in the anime, and if you're expecting character development for all 5 SM companions you're gonna have a bad time.

>>31790794
Of course, it's pure Pokekinography. SM in comparison is a flick a little above BW.

>>31791281
They're part of why I made certain decisions, also I'm not lazy as all. I'm just not a cuck that gives when getting nothing in return.

So is Ash just gonna stay at the same island, in the same boring school setting while they feed us with filler after filler for pretty much a whole year, until the next Kahuna battle?

I mean there's only three Kahuna battles left, and three years left on the series run so one each year seems like ideal pacing...

>>31791421
She isn't that bad as standalone character but when she takes screentime from the waifu character it becomes problematic.

>>31791439
>everything that isn't a kahuna battle is filler

>>31791446
It sure feels like filler.

>>31791333
how the fuck does sm focuses more on characters? whats wrong with you?

>>31791439
We will probably get more Team Skull stuff and the Aether Foundation will probably come in the second season or towards the end of the first season, we will also of course have Totem Pokemon battles but meh no one really cares for those.

So we have:

Captures
Kahunas
Team Skull
Aether Foundation
Gladion will probably have his own seperate plot

>>31791453
That's because you're an idiot.

>>31791456
Don't really feel much of an urge to speak further on it, I feel kinda bored and I don't think I am going to sway your opinion on anything.

SM14 rating when?

>>31791456
I think a lot of people believe screentime = character being relevant.

>>31791456
They have much more colorful personalities. XY's characters were usually just talking heads about the episode's plot/clemont's stupid science shit.

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>>31791435

> Getting nothing in return
> House, food, electricity and enough love to not kick your useless ass is nothing

>>31791446
say that to all the anti-DP faggots and their "b-but is was only filler between the gyms!" faggotry

>>31791485
Not this shit again

>>31791490
yeah, lana sure shines every episode and so does the fatty

also loving every mallow episode

>>31791494
Waste of time, I don't even know why I bother discussing things with people who's only experience with fiction is this show.

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>>31791333
>SM thus far has been decent with battles
>its humour and characters
>SM > XY

>>31791494
>say that to all the anti-DP faggots and their "b-but is was only filler between the gyms!" faggotry
What did he mean by this?

>>31791505
Who said "every episode?" And who said they need to "shine" to have character?

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>mfw people that think quirks and gags=personality

>>31791528
>if I call it a quirk it doesn't count

>>31791528
muh meme faces

>>31791333
What battles? SM has had a grand total of two trainer battles, and then a "totem battle" which is really just an over glorified wild Pokemon battle.

Plus, the characters have little depth or real personality to them, aside from Kiawe and sort of Lillie. The rest are just these friendly background accessories.

This series so far has just been so disappointing in so many senses. XY's battles had plenty of tension to them. Did you even watch the Korrina arc, the Brobowl arc, the Wulfric arc, the Shota battles?

Nothing will ever top Ash vs. Paul, but XY deserves credit for giving us some of the tensest, hypest battles in the show's history.

>>31791522
Suiren has done more than just stand in the background and mumbling slightly in exactly 1 out of 14 episodes.
How the fuck is that "having a colorful personality" and being more than "just a talking head about the episode's plot"?

>>31791510
It's probably that SM-loving Janovy troll from Serebii who found his way here.

>>31791537
You just described SM, m8.

like, mallow existence just disproves anybody saying sm is good with characters

I don't think anybody here is attached to her character

>>31791470
Which means you basically have no good answer to give, because there is none.

>>31791566
I know

>>31791571
I actually really like Mallow, even though she's been mostly irrelevant aside from playing the role of group ringleader and Lillie's girlfriend

I love how fun and snarky and quirky Mallow is. She just seems like the kind of person I'd want to hang out with on a nice day in Alola.

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IMO, the pace of SM doesn't really feel that slow, but that could because the episodes have been entertaining and none of them really feel like a waste of time, even the filler episodes.

>>31791571
I'm attached to her body

>>31791543
The fuck is the difference between trainer and wild battle, functionally? They're both battles.

Korrina had some tension, it's actually one of the only interesting arcs in XY despite the main cast being sidelined. Brobowl was ruined by Goodra and its shitty rushed arc/battle, Wulfric was stupid because he didn't use Hail in the second battle, and Hawlucha could have just taken out obama again, so Greninja was just sandbagging. None of Shota's battles had any tension to them, he was the least exciting rival in the series. Greninja vs Sceptile is the epitome of flash over substance.

The hypest thing about XY was the previews, which only made the actual show even more disappointing.

>>31791548
In fairness to this guy, he at least breathed some energy into this thread, even though I think his opinions are shit.

>>31791595
This.

Most of XY's episodes felt like filler even if they had plot points. And SM's filler > XY's filler.

>>31791603
even if that was true, it doesn't make your precious darling SM any better

>>31791421
Bonnie was good in the beginning but as time went on, she became nothing more than a moefied walking plot device. She could have become so much more but like the rest of the season, they just squandered it all away.

>>31791595
>it's a Character of the Day episode, except it's a Classmate of the Day instead of a Character of the Day and it's almost complete filler except for around 1 to 2 minutes of interesting things or plot hidden through it

Yeah, so entertaining. You can feel it in these threads.

>>31791623
>She could have become so much more but like the rest of the season,
Like what? She had the whole subplot with Zygarde

>>31791615
>Most of SM's episodes felt like filler even if they had plot points. And XY's filler > SM's "filler"

FTFY

>>31791618
>XY had nothing but battles
>the battles weren't good, just flashy

>SM has humor and character
>the humor and character is okay

By definition that makes it better.

>>31791625
I wasn't serious. You fell for the bait. :^)

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>>31791654
>>has humor and character
>>the humor and character is okay

>>31791662
Glad you agree.

>>31791628
What subplot? All she did was hug it, call it squishy and randomly sing to it. You could have replaced Bonnie with Citron as Puni's caretaker and nothing would have changed. There was nothing in her subplot that make her unique from anyone else. It was so 'bland'. I mean, for all the fault's SM has, I really feel a genuine and unique bond between Ash and his Pokemon that I couldn't get from Bonnie and Puni-chan.

>>31791654
>character is okay
oh my god

We all know SM is going to be remembered as another failure just like BW after it ends, so why don't you all stop bitching and try to at least enjoy this shit?

>>31791674
what? almost every Bonnie episode was her bonding with a Pokemon and having hard time parting ways so the Zygarde plot made sense because it was about that

>>31791680
(you)

>>31791680
>stop not enjoying what I don't enjoy

>>31791674
Which bonds? The one with Pikachu that comes by default in every series? The one with the birb?

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>>31791603
>Brobowl was ruined by Goodra and its shitty rushed arc/battle
>entire battle ruined by one Pokemon having a slightly rushed upbringing
>>31791674
>All she did was hug it, call it squishy and randomly sing to it

Stopped reading right there.

>>31791680
>failure just like BW

Well gee let's see

>Pikachu wasn't reset
>Ash is still competent
>No one as obnoxious as Iris, even fatfuck, who doesn't get much screentime anyway
>Lillie is love
>better aesthetic and animation, no eye-raping saturation

Too early to call the rest, but it certainly started much better than BW.

>>31791680
Because we are still so fucking mad that Matsui is wasting our time with this shit, when it could be so much better

And not only our time. Matsui is also wasting Tomioka, Iwane, Ohashi and all those talented folks on pointless filler after filler. For three years straight. Sad!

>>31791689
That's the fucking point. In the beginning, Bonnie had this wondeful development when she connected with certain Pokemon, but come Puni-chan, it just 'happened' and she's just tagging along, and did random cute things with it, but nothing that made it as memoriable as all those previous Pokemon she has befriended before. It was 'lacking'.

>>31791697
This. The only bond I've found to be somewhat interesting so far has been Lillie and Snowball's.

>>31791698
>slightly
They skipped its entire Sliggoo stage, and we saw it train for about a minute as Goomy. Ash basically got a fully evolved pseudo out of nowhere, which trivialized the whole battle against Clemont. And its battle with Luxray was absolute trash, killed any hype it had.

>>31791721
>it just 'happened'
You mean like how pretty much every Pokemon capture in history has occurred?

>>31791715
>we
Speak for yourself you autistic beaner.

>>31791735
>And its battle with Luxray was absolute trash, killed any hype it had.
It was pretty cool

>>31791748
Fuck off Janovy

>>31791721
>it just 'happened' and she's just tagging along, and did random cute things with it, but nothing that made it as memoriable as all those previous Pokemon she has befriended before. It was 'lacking'.

then why SM games ripped it

>>31791697
You cannot tell me Ash and Pikachu's bond in SM wasn't amazing as compared to the previous seasons. From doing dumb stupid things together, to giving it a lap to rest on after playing, to simply giving it the last piece of pastry to it. All of it is 'show, don't tell' stuff that I absolutely love about their bond in SM.

>>31791758
doesn't he lives in a shithole slav country

>>31791751
The problem with Goodra was that it had a moveset consisting of only ranged attacks. So it just stood in one place and fired off beam after beam. Not particularly exciting stuff to watch in battle.

>>31791751
>goodra stands there taking hits, then luxray stands there and takes a beam to the face
>all while gay, unexciting music plays

it was shit

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>>31791735
>>31791603
>this shit opinion

>>31791769
that shit happens every season what are you on

>>31791738
Are you seriously telling me after seeing Bonnie connecting with all of those previous Pokemon she befriended in the early episodes, that 'it just somehow happened' with Puni-chan wasn't a let-down?

>>31791790
>that 'it just somehow happened' with Puni-chan
What are you even talking about? Bonnie loves all Pokemon(and in a more honest way than Ash is supposed to) so she obviously bonded with Zygarde. She nicknamed it, made a song for it,worried for it,etc.

>>31791721
>it just happened
Are you serious? Puni-chan didn't give a fuck about Bonnie at first, and he even tried to run away from her.
Fucking ningen I swear.

>>31787965
No, it isn't.

>>31791769
Are you that retarded faggot who was praising Lana's episode as the best thing ever because "muh show, don't tell" even though the episode was basically every TR filler episode ever with a 45 second mundane flashback tacked on?

"Show, don't tell" when it comes to Pokemon bonding has been the case for literally every fucking Pokemon series so far. If anything, SM is doing it worse than previous seasons, due to the sheer number of Pokemon that are there for no reason and not doing anything of real substance. Yeah, those bonds Kiawe has with his Charizard and Turnator sure are great!

>>31791790
No? It wasn't a letdown because it was fucking amazing to let her grow up enough to hold on to a regional legendary Pokemon like that. It got to the point where she was able to sense its location, and she was the reason the Z cores realized that they were wrong about their view that humans are all dangerous and evil.

THAT is show, don't tell, not this totally ordinary "oh, look at Ash give his Pikachu a bite of pancake!" stuff that happens all the fucking time.

>>31791857
>Are you that retarded faggot who was praising Lana's episode as the best thing ever because "muh show, don't tell" even though the episode was basically every TR filler episode ever with a 45 second mundane flashback tacked on?

This sounds like one of the SM shitposters from Serebii

>>31791857
>Are you that retarded faggot who was praising Lana's episode as the best thing ever because "muh show, don't tell"
Wait someone said that?

>>31791773
What do you expect from a Pokemon that's so slow? It went exactly as it was supposed to, which is precisely why it was enjoyable in its own right, even if it wasn't super exciting on its own. Not every Pokemon battle has to be two speedsters running into each other and doing melee attacks. Besides, half the reason Goodra wasn't moving was that it was paralyzed by electricity.

>>31791888
Slow in games does not need to equal slow in anime. They can at least make it move around a little and not just be so static.

describe the bond mallow has with bownsweet

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>tfw everyone in this thread raises valid points but goes fucking overboard with them

New bred, added the new SM15 summary:
>>31791908
>>31791908
>>31791908

Oha Suta in an hour.

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>>31791880
>SM shitposters from Serebii

que

>>31791885
>>31791880
Mostly. I was being slightly hyperbolic, but go look in this thread:
http://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/30580598/