>LandoT is so used that players are running HP Ice to counter

>>31767280
>Smogon
>Touching their balanced genies
Not in this life, m8.

>>31767280
If the lion falls, the meta will soon after. This piece of trash is the glue holding this mess of a meta together. Take this thing away, and a bunch of bans will follow

>>31767280
>It's changing Genesect IVs to prevent download all over again.
I still do this subconsciously if a Pokemon's defenses are equal, just because I don't like Porygon2

But unless you can convince Smogon that Lando is doing more harm than good (good luck with that) or Game Freak to release one with Thousand Arrows and Brave Bird, its staying

>>31767280
>Smogon
>eliminating something so cancerous as Lando
Funny joke m8

People used HP Grass for Swampert in gen 3.

>>31767307
That's what everyone said for Aegislash. And smogon said something like

"we don't keep broken shit that hold the meta against other broken shit" and "if something broken appears, then we just deal with it at the right time"

>>31767371
Well Lando T isn't really broken, it's just a gluemon

>>31767391
ebin

>>31767371
Everybody uses it =/= broken
Lando-T is very easy to deal with, it's just grating and annoying to have to do so every time you play against any teams

>>31767414
Lando-T is a momentum machine with a large number of viable sets. Gene got banned for those reasons.

>>31767280
Never, people care more about the stuff that sweeps them 6-0 and not the Pokemon that is in every match.

>>31767280
I suck at team building so I'll never be able to get high on the ladder but is this thing really in need of a ban? What are its checks and counters? I imagine with its speed tier it shouldn't be that hard to revenge kill it.

>>31767414
>Lando-T is very easy to deal with
Once you know what it's running, yes. However, at this point in time, there are so many different Lando sets that you're forced to run multiple counters to it, because something that can handle the defensive set might get killed by the Choice Scarf set, and your Scarf Lando counter might get rekt by a surprise Z-Fly.

>>31767518
>Resist or be immune to Ground
>Have a strong special attack or Ice attack
>Outpace it

Any Pokemon that does at least two of these stands a good chance against it

>players are running HP Ice to counter the opponent LandoT
garchomp and gliscor doesn't count I guess? Electric types run hp ice as coverage anyways

>>31767553
Scarf pheromosa OHKOs with ice beam and can tank an EQ

>>31767502
>>31767542
you're right, I retract my statement
Let's hope the meta doesn't go to shit if it does end up banned

>>31767280
It's probably gonna happen eventually, the introduction of Z-moves only made him better. Now he essentially has the ability to remove a large portion of his previous switch-ins.

I don't want it to happen. For one thing I don't really hate healthy genie lion, but more importantly I'm just scared to find out what kind of mess this meta would become without him.

>>31767562
>Pheromosa
>tanking
What?

>>31767561
I worded wrong.

Players are running HP Ice on their own Lando-T to beat opponent Lando-T

>>31767572
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pheromosa: 208-246 (73.4 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Thank Gamefreak for making bugs resistant to urf

>>31767542
This is the issue I keep telling everyone about. Lando-T is just to adaptable. He can be basically any role in the entire metagame, and outside being a wall he can do most things crazy well.

>>31767567
>Tfw Sun & Moon ruined everything

>>31767580
>implying running specific moves to counter common metagame 'mons is anything new

It's literally no different from running HP Ground on Volcarona to hit Heatran, or Focus Miss on Alakazam to hit T-tar.

>>31767580
haha wow i didn't realize. just checked the stats, it was over 25% in every elo tier last month

i guess i never encountered it in my play since i've never (?) used lando on any of my teams so their hp ice has never been used against me

>>31767594
it was really only Z crystals

Lando is banned
>>31767290

>>31767567
We shouldn't be in a position where the removal of one Pokemon collapses the entire meta. If it really is doing that, what if the scenario I mentioned earlier does happen (Landorus receiving some retarded event attacks) and we're forced to remove it?

>>31767580
I've started running HP Ice on my Garchomp to counter Lando-T. I try to catch Lando on the switch. Its a 2HKO on offensive Lando and a 3HKO on the defensive set. This is without Life Orb btw.

So why does Landorus-Incarnate Forme deserve a ban, but Therian Forme doesn't.

>http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/moveset/gen7pokebankou-1695.txt
>Items
Rocky Helmet 46.912%
Choice Scarf 17.363%
Flyinium Z 12.250%
Rockium Z 9.588%
Leftovers 7.442%
Earth Plate 2.147%
Other 4.297%

What set are you running /vp/?

>>31767657
Assault Vest Stealth Rock set
It's Verlis approved

>>31767640
Incarnate was a supreme wallbreaker. Anything that could conceivably take its attacks could be worn down quickly or boosted on with Calm Mind, and it can take down faster Pokemon after a Rock Polish

>>31767657
Last time I used it was Rocky Helmet

>>31767640
Incarnate could just punch through shit with Sheer Force

>>31767633
Better off running surf

>Smogon bans Dugtrio but not Landorus

>>31767657
The better question is
>which set will earn him a Suspect Test?

>>31767712
They pose two different problems, dugtrio is more problematic when paired with stall

>>31767729
Juts use shed shell on everything :^)

>>31767630
Complex ban that allows landorus without the event moves.
Fucking obviously.

>>31767633
Just use Draco Meteor at this point, it's a clean 2hko on Landorus T with minimal investment, mixchomp is actually good.

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smogon really loves their le floating lion, no?

>>31767897
>complex bans
haha remember when they did that for greninja and blaziken and shadow tag that was great

>>31768197
remember when only sand rush excadrill was banned in gen 5? haha

>>31767721
Flynium Z and Rockium Z could do the trick actually.

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>>31767280
>LandoT is so used that players are running HP Ice to counter the opponent LandoT
People have been running HP Ice on lando-t since fucking gen 5. How is this surprising to you?

>>31768281
Many people skipped out on Gen 5 because of hivemind mentality and other shit like "Reeee Ice cream Pokemon!"

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>>31768101
>>31767280

>Lion

>>31767414

Your opponent leads Lando-T.

Who do you send out? Let's say you even know it's gonna be the opponent's lead. What do you send out to beat it on Turn 1?

>>31768646
Articuno

>>31768646
>>31767564

>>31768646
Tapu Fini, Mega Metagross, Zapdos, my own Landorus...

>>31768656

Scarf Stone Edge OHKO.

Next?

>>31768646
Meganium

>>31768686

>Tapu Fini
U-Turn out to Ferrothorn or Tapu Bulu

>Mega Metagross
Scarf Adamant Earthquake

>Zapdos
Rockium Z Stone Edge OHKO or U-Turn out to something like Lycanroc or Tyranitar.

>My own Landorus
So everyone needs a Lando.

Nice metagame.

>>31768690
Quick claw articuno boi :-)

>>31767657

>he fell for the earth plate meme

>>31767280
I've been doing this since gen 6, friend.

>>31768700

Flyium Z Fly for the OHKO or SE U-Turn out to Pheromosa or Band/Scarf Entei.

>>31768718

If it was a guaranteed proc it would be a proper counter but you can't rely on an item that DOESN'T proc the majority of the time and say that's a counter.

>>31768715
>U-Turn out to Ferrothorn or Tapu Bulu
Then I can Taunt or switch
>Scarf Adamant Earthquake
If they run Scarf Adamant then they are not that good to begin with so I can probably win even without my Mega
>Rockium Z Stone Edge OHKO or U-Turn out to something like Lycanroc or Tyranitar.
Zapdos is faster and OHKO with HP ice. Lycanroc isn't a problem and even if Tyranitar uses Pursuit Zapdos won't die and can recover with Roost later on
>So everyone needs a Lando
Not really since everyone(except you apparently) knows how to deal with it

>changing Genesect IVs to prevent download

Can someone explain?

>>31768944
The ability Download raises your Attack or Special Attack depending on which of your opponents defences is lower.
By putting an extra IV in SP,Def you give Porygon2 and Genesect an attack boost which is useless for Pory and Situational for Gene.

>>31767280
>running HP Ice to counter the opponent LandoT
Retard, the HP Ice is for opposing Garchomps and so that Zygarde isn't able to set up on you

>>31768646
Scarf Pheromosa with Ice Beam.

>>31768796

>U-Turn out to Ferrothorn or Tapu Bulu
Then I can Taunt or switch

And you've failed to get even 1% of damage off on Lando, nice job.

>Scarf Adamant Earthquake
If they run Scarf Adamant then they are not that good to begin with so I can probably win even without my Mega

Groundium Z Earthquake than, the point of this exercise is to figure out a pokemon that can beat all Lando sets. I thought that was obvious. Megagross loses to Lando, plain and simple.

>Rockium Z Stone Edge OHKO or U-Turn out to something like Lycanroc or Tyranitar.
Zapdos is faster and OHKO with HP ice. Lycanroc isn't a problem and even if Tyranitar uses Pursuit Zapdos won't die and can recover with Roost later on

So you're unironically running a max speed Zapdos and have the nerve to call me a bad player? And Lycanroc is a problem for you. Here: hard switch Lando out of your max speed Zapdos to Band Lycanroc-Midnight. It eats up the HP Ice and doesn't have any coverage that beats Lycanroc, next turn gets destroyed by No Guard Stone Edge after I guess ranking a TBolt or something.

>So everyone needs a Lando
Not really since everyone(except you apparently) knows how to deal with it

And yet you haven't given a single pokemon that can beat Lando on Turn 1.

>>31769194

Hard switch out to Toxapex after getting off the Intimidate.

I don't know why you guys keep trying, there literally isn't an answer.

>switch to Avalugg, KO with avalanche

>if the set isn't obvious from team preview then scout the set
>switch in one of the hundreds of switch ins
Wow thanks Smogon, expecting me to run Lati, Buzzwole, Zapdos, Fini, Ferro, Rotom, Scizor, Tangrowth, Bulu, Bro, Dnite, or Zygarde on every team. Extremely over centralizing

>>31769253

Eat the U-Turn then face down a special attacking Fire type.

>>31769293
Switch out to a water type

>>31768758
>>31768715
>>31768690
Schrodinger's Landorus, somehow having every set at the same time while never making the wrong decision or getting predicted.

>>31769213
>>31769233
>>31769293
Are you stupid? Genuine question since for some reason you seem to think that Landorus can run every set at the same time and is the only pokemon in the game who is able to switch or U-turn

>>31769194
You do realize that there are plenty of OU Pokemon like this that don't have counters, right?

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>>31769350
>plenty of OU Pokemon that don't have counters

>>31769327
>Schrodinger's Landorus, having every set until you choose your move
you have a 1/5 or so chance of knowing right the first time, if you analyze the team comp you can up it considerably.

>>31769097
Let's also not forget about Gliscor, Salamence, Flygon and Dragonite.

Or just anything that is just weak to ice for the extra coverage in general. OP is a stupid faggot for thinking Landorus is SOLELY the main reason.

>>31769327
>Yes, because the point is that every "counter/check" to Landorus is answered by another Landorus set, meaning you will be beaten by one or more commonly used sets even when prepared, and even then, it could just fucking WALK AWAY from all of them.
>The only way to fully counter it is to build a team made only of different answers to Landorus, which it a Quality Metagame™ at its finest.

>>31769369
I was making fun of the guy saying Landorus is OP. Also if you're a good player you scout for sets instead of blindly throwing Pokemon you think might beat it. If you play like this, you probably have way more issues than Landorus keeping you from winning SPL.

>>31769382
Did you reply to the right post? The only way to fully counter a Landorus is by not playing like a retard. Literally looking at the opponent's team gives you a good idea of what the Landorus might be, and as long as you're not running the worst Hyper Offense team ever made you have room to scout for the set. Please, try playing on high ladder and see how many lead Landorus gets a random kill. Of course that's assuming you can even break 1300, which is extremely unlikely.

>>31769285
>Lati
Loses to Scarf U-Turn
>Buzzwole
Loses to Z-Fly
>Zapdos
Loses to Z-Stone Edge unless max speed timid >Fini
Loses to Swords Dance
>Ferro
Loses to Swords Dance
>Rotom
Actually threatens it and is an acceptable counter
>Scizor
Loses to Z-Fly followed by EQ
>Tangrowth
Loses to Z-Fly
>Bulu
Loses to Z-Fly
>Bro
Acceptable
>Dnite
Loses to Z-Stone Edge
>Zygarde
Loses to Scarf EQ

>>31769753
Schrodinger's Landorus

>>31769753
>>31769767
Also
>ferro Ferro or Scizor losing to SD
>zygarde losing to Scarf EQ
>lati loses to scarf u turn
Play the game before you complain about something

>>31769416
>Also if you're a good player you scout for sets instead of blindly throwing Pokemon you think might beat it.
That's why I said
>if you analyze the team comp you can up it considerably.
It isn't a complete crapshoot if you're not retarded

Pheromosa used ice beam!

>>31767391
>it isn't broken, it just does every role better than other mons!

>>31769839
>Scarf Landorus used Z-Fly!

>>31767657
I run Rockium double dance. Because fuck stone missing.

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>>31769876
memes are not arguments

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>>31769902
>nobody makes memes during arguments
>Insult memes

>>31769876
>Scarf
>Z-move
4/10, made me reply.

>>31769378
The others are just a bonus since Flygon isn't used and Stone Edge works just as well on most threats and is more useful overall. EQ chips Garchomp just fine. HP Ice is really just niche for Lando.

>>31769876
>he doesn't use quick claw with z fly and z stone edge w/double dance and scarf eq

>>31769917
memes suck, specially competitive ones.

except verlisify sets, those are always funny

>>31769347

I don't know why you're asking me that because one of my posts you quoted is just Lando hard switching out of a Scarf Pheromosa, so that has nothing to do with what set Lando is running.

There is nothing you can do against a pokemon so versatile and plain good. Some guy upthread couldn't believe I offered Adamant Scarf Lando as an answer to a Megagross lead. And, yeah, it is a weird nature to run because one of Jolly Scarf Lando's niches is switching in on Adamant DD Zard X. But it just goes to show it can really do anything it wants and choose what it counters.

>Earth Plate
>Jolly Scarf
>Adamant Scarf
>Double Dance
>Defensive Leftovers
>Defensive Rocky Helmet
>Groundium Z, Flyium Z, Rockium Z sets

And of the less than a handful of pokemon that can switch in on every one of these sets safely, it has U-Turn to fuck over your switch in. Which is why I was doing that Turn 1 exercise . It will always have the advantage against any pokemon on Turn 1. Even a Scarf Weavile can't win against defensive Lando (Icicle Crash does 86% max after Intimidate). The only thing you can do is counter lead with one of its hard counters (Rotom-W, Slowbro), and just eat a U-Turn or Knock Off into the appropriate pokemon. And everyone running Lando has a rock solid answer to all those bulky Waters that switch in on it.

REMOVE LANDORUS remove landorus
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>>31767280
it's more likely that they'll ban HP Ice to keep Genie on top

>>31769980
OU isn't competitive, you're mistaken I think