Itt: Make moves even more cancerous than they already are >Stealth

>>31679385
Knock Off is now base 90 power.

>>31679385
Good bye every fire, ice, flying and bug type

>>31679385
Substitute has +1 priority now.

Protect now also heals 1/2 hp

>>31679385
It would be fine if you cut the overall damage of Stealth Rock in half.

Anyway, Pursuit is now base 65 power.

Recovery moves now remove status conditions that aren't self inflicted (Toxic Orb, Flame Orb, etc)

Scald has 90% burn chance.

Blast Burn is super-effective on water-types

>>31679385
U turn heals you

>>31679440
you sure that isn't already the case?

>>31679424
Anon-kun, the whole point was to make the moves MORE cancerous. That would defeat the whole purpose.

As for my original post, >>31679385, I'm adding onto it:

Also now had 50 base power and deals damage to the opponent

Air Slash and Headbutt now have a 50% chance to flinch

>>31679385
Dragon Dance now sharply raises Attack and Speed.

Taunt now confuses the opponent as well.

>>31679385
Air Slash and Iron Head now have a 40% chance to flinch.

>>31679482
As a Togekiss fan I see no issues

>>31679481
I'm just saying his idea could actually work in-game if they nerfed Waldo Minerals. Besides, I made a cancerous suggestion.

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>>31679482
>100% flinch Togekiss

>>31679385
Baneful bunker now badly poisons rather than simply poisoning

All stat buffs and de-buffs now stay with the Pokemon after switching

>>31679481
This isn't even cancerous anymore, it's just blatant, unapologetic op.

>>31679385
Leech Seed can no longer be removed from using Rapid Spin or switching out.

>>31679556
Dammit I was replying to OP this whole time

>>31679570
Now had 50 base power and damages the foe immediately, stacks 3 times, and adds a 25% damage absorption.

>>31679464
Scald only burns when used against you.

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>>31679593

>>31679564
>>31679564
>>31679564
>now you're getting it

of any damaging move that has a chance to cause confusion: now has 100% chance.

>>31679569
Baton Pass banned

>>31679593
Ur a fuckin' madman.

Leech seed back on same counter as toxic.

>>31679593
>with 30% chance to paralyze

Sucker punch also works on mons that use non damaging moves

Always first basically

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>Wrap goes back to Gen 1 mechanics

Ice version of Will-O-Wisp. Freeze instead of burn.

85% accuracy
100% if used by ice types.

>>31679727
Sooo, hypnosis?

>>31679727
Evilness

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Stone edge and clones buffed to 120bp .

Trick Room now lasts indefinitely.

Roar/Whirlwind now +1.

>>31679727
>every water type and their mother also gets it as a tm

>>31679622
What >>31679634 said. They beat me to it.

But the worst of it all

The most cancerous of it all

Forces switchout every 5 turns. Logic: "Muh pokemon can't stand the pain of being in the rocks!"

>>31679793
All Room, Terrain and weather last indefinitely.

>>31679413
That actually makes whimsicot a little meh

>>31679463
>what is Mienshao

>>31679385
Leech Seed can't be reflected by magic bounce
"Roots" the opponent so they can't switch
Damage increases each turn like toxic
Damages the seeded one whenever they use a contact move

>Leech Attacks (Drain, leech seed, etc.) are stronger, the less HP the target has

And not really moves, but
>Poison halves heal from any source
>Bad poison negates it completely
>Confusion pins Accuracy to 50% of original value

Moonlight/Synthesis/the like are no longer negatively impacted by weather (ie always minimum 50% heal)
Toxic damage doesn't reset on switch-out
Toxic spikes badly poison with just a single layer
Super Fang/Nature's Madness do 50% of the targets total HP, not current HP (this isn't even cancerous, i know, just completely fucking broken)
Rest has guaranteed one-turn wake up
Perish Song only affects the targeted pokemon
Confusion caused by Swagger only disappears if the confused pokemon switches out
Scald is super effective against ice types
Spikes/Toxic Spikes damage all Pokemon regardless of ability or type
A Pokemon that has been normally poisoned can be badly poisoned if they are poisoned a second time

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>>31679736
I don't think Hypnosis freezes.

Why don't Sleep/Freeze/Poison effect any status like Burn and Paralysis do? Imagine if they did.

Sleep lowers Defense
Freeze lowers Sp.D
Poison lowers Sp.A

Add Will-o-freeze to ice types.
Would it help them? Even the defensive types?

>Leech moves are stronger, the less HP the target has

>Poison halves heal from any source
>Bad poison negates it
>Confusion halves accuracy

Geomancy now also has 100BP

>>31679655
So it's just a Dark type Extremespeed?

>>31679413
Substitute's type becomes independent of the user (Normal type).
(ie: the Sub is immune to Ghost, weak to Fighting, regardless of the Pokemon using it)

Fairy, Steel and Ghost Substitutes are introduced.

>>31679961
Ah shit, my phone fucked up

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>>31679844

>>31680041
...fuck

>>31679957
Are they nit functionally the same thing except that hypnosis is vulnerable to some special attacks/abilities?

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>>31680053
Thanks for the (You)s

>>31680084
This is quite possibly the most sad thing I have ever seen.
Anon go outside, talk to real people, do something with your life.

>>31679566
All you did was make it viable

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>>31680125

>>31680140
Wait, left out the part where it has a 100% chance of working every time, 15 pp, and deals 40 damage on hit.

>>31679566
How about: for the next 3 turns after you use Baneful Bunker if you were to faint, the PP of the move that would've fainted becomes 0 and your hp is restored to what it was prior to the attack.

>>31679727
Move name: Cold Front

>>31679385
Amenesia now boosts both Special Attack and Special Defense.

>>31679482

>Scarf Skymin goes right to AG.

Any move used by Garchomp now deals twice the damage.

There, fixed the meta for you.

>>31679385
>Make moves even more chemo than they already are

Sound moves now also bypass a foe Pokemon's Protect

>>31680058
Do you really not know about freeze?

Swagger removes the attack raise when the Pokemon snaps out of confusion.

>>31680508
2bh, I haven't used a move that freezes, or been frozen since HG... I thought it thawed out on its own in 2-5 turns.

But even if it doesn't, people will probably just use a berry or heal item to remove the status within the turn anyways, so really it isn't functionally any different.

>>31679385
Scald has 50% chances of burning
Pr has 100bp and 100% acc

>>31680526
>using a heal item in battle

>>31679464
Only when is the opponent at using it

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Sand attack has a 50% chance to raise one of the user's stats

Defog now deals flying type damage with 25 bp per spike removed, 50 bp per screen removed, and 75 bp per rocks removed

with a grand total of 250 bp if all spikes, screens, and rocks removed from the field

Rapid Spin has +6 priority and rises the user's speed

>>31680537
you can suck my dick in battle

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>>31680350
I love it/10

>>31680058
Hypnosis puts Pokemon to sleep and they wake up within 2-5 turns. Freeze is different than sleep which it think can last anything between 2 turns through the entire battle. Not entirely sure, barely been frozen. I think using a fire move thaws you out automatically. Again, idk

idk if Ice types would be better if Freeze gave some sort of status infliction (mentioned here: >>31679957)

Who would benefit from it? Mamo, Weavile, Vanilluxe?

>>31680934
Freeze gives you a 20% chance every turn to thaw.

gen 2 frozen machanics return

>>31679566
This but also
>sets up a layer of tspikes if it doesnt land. if it does set up 2 layers

>>31679385
Extreme evoboost can't be defogged and automatically baton passes whenever used

Geomancy no longer has to charge

Bone rush has 100% accuracy if marowak is holding a thick club and hits flying types, if its a-marowak it doubles as a fire type similar to flying press

dragon dance now also raises special attack

outrage is aoe

trick room now reverses priority moves as well

stone edge is now 100% hit chance, but increased crit is removed

>>31681803
>aoe
Even though Triple Battle is gone, you still need to be more specific
>Both Foes
>All adjacent Pokemon

Also why? Doesn't SM have split damage for multiple targets?
Or, nevermind. Garchomp probably doesn't care.

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>>31681803
>trick room now reverses priority moves as well

I would actually love to see this in the game.

Simple, elegant, evil: Dragon Tail no longer has negative priority.

Did you think Coil Zygarde 100% forme was cancerous before? Oh boy, you haven't seen jack shit.

>>31679463
>>31679883
>forgetting tornadus-t

>>31682318
>Dragon Tail no longer has negative priority.
Huh. I never actually had to know that before.
I'm surprised at what I'm oblivious to.

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>>31679385
Draco Meteor is not affect by weakness, resistance or immunity, accuracy buffed to 100% and no longer reduces sp attk (reduces sp def and def instead)

Eviolite now gives NFE Pokémon Unaware and Oblivious, and cannot be Knocked Off.

Protect will consume 2 PP on every sequential use, but no longer has a failure chance.

Imposter bypasses Substitute; Quick Powder benefits Ditto even after it Transforms.

Fake Out no longer fails, but loses 40 BP and becomes 0 priority until the user switches out.

U-Turn and Volt Switch now heal 30% of the user's max hp when they switch out.

Rapid Spin and Defog will now only remove 1 layer of Entry Hazards per use.

Paralysis can now be stacked, quartering speed and reducing the chance of moving by 50%. Burn can now be fracked, halving both Attack and Special Attack and reducing hp by 12% per turn. Pokémon with Natural Cure are immune to "Badly X" status.

Charge moves like Solarbeam now raise defense and special defense 2 stages on the turn the move is charging.

Gen 1 hyperbeam and other recharge moves.

STAB is 2x for normal-type moves.

>>31682464
>Protect will consume 2 PP on every sequential use, but no longer has a failure chance.
I fail to see how that really accomplishes anything.
If anything, it guarantees protect-stall.

Protect should ALWAYS fail if you attempted to use it the previous turn, regardless of if it worked. Use Protect strategically or take the hit.

>>31680058
Hypnosis is a 55% accuracy move that drops a mediocre status.

OP suggested an 85% accuracy move that inflicts the single most overpowered status move in the goddamn game.

>>31679957
I thought poison lowered defense?

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>>31679385
roar, whirlwind and dragon tail now has normal priority

>>31679857
whimsicott shouldn't be running substitute anyway
it's a terrible subseeder, please don't do that to yourself

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This bitch gets an ability that creates an OC signature "field" effect, causing all priority moves to fail completely.

>>31682554
>Jokes on you I'm behind 7 substitutes

>>31680084
>unironically browses /b/

>>31679385
Rock Slide is now 100% Acc and now has a 30% Flinch Chance

>>31682556
As much as I'd love MGardevoir to not have t o worry about bullet punch

>Losing Pixilate
Not worth it.

>>31682414
3 months ago I got pissed that my scarfed krook lost a speed tie with another krook, all because I didn't know about that negative priority. I'm bad

Freeze Dry now has a 30% chance to freeze and a higher chance of landing a critical hit

Whirlwind has +2 Priority.

>>31679385
Multiscale reduces damage regardless of the pokemon's HP%

>>31682080
>priority whirlwind/roar with hazards
sounds like a healthy meta

>>31679385
Parting shot loses the attack debuffs but also makes the opponent switch out.

>>31679385

>Stealth Rock
>now stackable
>two layers do 2X damage
>three layers do 6X damage because it's tripled on top of the second layer

Fissure and ohko moves now have 100 acc.

>Me First with priority
>move power doubles

>Hidden Power now has 90 base power

>>31679607
literally chatter

>technician affects moves with up to 75 BP

>>31679385
Stealth rock functions as a dual type move like flying press during hail and deals ice damage for the weather condition's duration.

Every single move in the game now has an accuracy of 95%.
EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

>Scald is now super-effective against ice because boiling water

>>31680125
>go outside
>talk to real people
>do something with your life

shoo shoo norman

>>31679851
>wanting weather wars back

>>31679720
You monster!

>>31679399
Knock Off BP is changed to 60 and hits twice if an item is knocked off.

>>31679578
Leech Seed locks the pokemon into not being able to be switched out

>>31680583
To be fair, this would probably get rid of Perplexing Pebbles very quickly.

All rock moves are 100 Accuracy

>>31679564
>gen 7
>dark type is immune to prankster boosted moves
gen 8:
Rock and steel types are immune to flinch

makes sense

Fake Out now outspeeds protect.

>>31679385
>with two layers up, x4 weak Pokemon lose 100% of their health upon switch-in

>>31679385
Destiny bond +1 priority

>>31690581
Destiny Bond lasts until one of them switches out.

>>31679385
>Hyper beam
>no charge if you kill a substitute
>or the opponent
:^)

>>31679449
Alright, this got me.

>>31680468

what is ice shard

Stone Edge has 50% accuracy and a 100% crit rate when it hits, because fuck Metal Slimes Rock-types amirite?

Similarly, Focus Blast has 50% accuracy and a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Defense by one stage should it hit.

Ancient Power and clones have 90 BP and a 30% chance to raise all stats.

Swift and clones have 80 BP, prompting Smogon to unban evasion for a spell.
>>31679727
>>31680934
Under current Sleep mechanics, you're guaranteed to wake up after 3 turns of being Asleep even if you switched out.
Under current Freeze mechanics, you have a 51% chance of still being frozen after 3 turns, and you're still stuck with the same 20% chance to thaw out next turn. A status move that inflicts Freeze is automatically cancer if it's more accurate than an OHKO move. Even if the accuracy is contingent upon being an Ice-type. Freeze, at least how it's currently implemented, is cancer.
So, perfect for this thread.

>>31682708
Anon was making a Tapu Lele joke.

Why aren't rock types not inmune to poison anyway?
Rocks aren't living organisms

>>31691705
Probably because you can use acid to dissolve minerals.

>>31691705
Just noticed I fucked up the first sentence I'm tired

>>31679385
Endeavor as is.

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>Scald always burns under sun

>>31682527
The point of the thread is to make things MORE cancerous, not LESS.

With that said... It would be no worse than current Protect. Nothing more stupid than doubling on an opponent that used Protect last turn, and them managing to successfully Protect again.

At least with that change you'll always assume that they can Protect and act accordingly, instead of a 50% chance fucking your whole plan.

>>31691638
>Ancient Power and clones have 90 BP and a 30% chance to raise all stats.
Togekiss OP, plz ban.

>>31691763
*unzips ghost*

>>31691824
Endeavor can now hit all targets without foresight and without failure, also has +1 priority.

>>31681803
I honestly thought that was how trick room worked so moves like circle throw would have use but I got proved wrong

>>31690697
This can't be true since I use Destiny Bond gengar and when they kill me they stay alive

>>31680526

It's possible to never recover from Freeze.
Lost a match once because my Umbreon stayed frozen for 11 turns straight, even though I was leading.

>>31692046
Check what thread you're in.

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>>31682546
I don't think so. I think it takes the most health away from you (outside from Toxic).

>>31691638
Let's add that cut to the Sp.Def when Frozen and offensive Ice types get even stronger. Defensive Ice types might be useful for once thanks to the bullshit freeze mechanics.

Let's make the move more cancerous by giving it priority.

>>31680945
>5*0.2 eq 1.0

So practically it is no worse than sleep. Very good, I was right all along.

>>31682553
LITERALLY FUCK YOU

>>31692710
>5*0.2 eq 1.0
That's not how chance works at all you little shit. If a Pokemon gets Frozen, there's a 33% chance that it'll still be frozen five turns later. Yes I am triggered by your shit math.

And Sleep will always wear off after three turns. It's been that way since Gen V.

If Scald delivers a burn, it hits again in the same turn.

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>>31680560
>sand attack drastically decreases accuracy

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>>31691775
>never burns during rain