Why the fuck is a wrestling tiger slower than a sumo pig? I wished

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Pretty kitty

Wrestlers aren't fast

>>31660030
it's a tiger, though

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>>31660004
I just noticed for the first time it's a female trainer he's holding in this picture

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Daily reminder that Incineroar will never have anything resembling good proportions in the main games.

>>31660038
A biped tiger.

>Special Attack and Speed
>not Special Attack and Attack
This thing is going to be fucking everywhere once it's HA is released. Fake Out+STAB Snarl+STAB Heat Wave is fucking nice.

>>31660058
Would probably look good in Pokken's hyper realistic art style though

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>>31660058
And it's fine, I prefer him as a cartoony wrestling tiger anyway.

>>31660038
That's not a tiger in any way shape or form

Also fuck off back to your Discord circlejerk you pathetic bara fucks

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>>31660058
I sure hope you're not implying that has good proportions or looks good, because that's just fucking awful

>>31660068
Yea I'm aware it will be pretty viable for VGC but I won't mind seeing it tbqh

>>31660073

Might probably be the only place where Incineroar's wacky proportions will ever work because his anatomy just screams Pokken too much.

>>31660038
It's a dude in a fursuit

>>31659965
All the starters this Gen could have been decent with a little tweaking:

Decidueye: Swap Sp. Attack with Speed
Incineroar: Swap Sp. Attack with Speed
Primarina: Swap Attack with Speed

It won't make them super good or anything, but it's a step up.

>>31660850
Speed is useless this gen with so much trick room anyway.

>>31660850
>100 Speed
>Good
>80 Speed
>Good
>74 Speed
>Good
You're a retard. Just kys.

>>31660961
Actually this. There are way too many ridiculous TR setters this gen. It's a way more reliable doubles start than it ever was before.

>>31660975
*strat
Thanks autocorrect.

>people unironically think that Intimidate will change shit
Singles or doubles, Incineshit will forever be worthless trash and just be a poor man's Arcanine either way.

>>31659965
It's also slower than the continent Pokemon with a weight of 9999kg. Most Alolamons are, in fact. It doesn't make any sense.

>>31661039
>Game Freak
>Ever making sense

Asking for common logic towards Game Freak is like asking a ape to write Shakespear.

>>31661035
>I don't like it so it's shit
It already has had tournament success without Intimidate.

When it gets Intimidate it'll basically become some halfway point between Arcanine and Scrafty.

>>31661039
Alola is so chill and comfy that all Pokemon in there have become slow

>DUDE
>BIPEDAL
>LMAO

When will GF end this meme

>>31661213
when will /vp/ end this meme

>>31661252
>when will /vp/ end this meme
when will /vp/ end this meme

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Gotta go fast, Inslowneroar.

>>31659965
because he have money instead of muscles

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>>31659965
>sumo pig

Let me guess, your underage brain deduced that because Emboar is fat.

>>31660124
It's fine. The lower body could be bigger but it's standard stylization for masculine characters to have built upper bodies in comparison to their legs.

>>31661213
>Waaaah the Pokemon stands on two legs

What an autistic complaint.

>>31660056
The fat would explain why is it so god damn slow

>>31662287
>It's okay, I don't really mind having another Fire starter that stands on two, maybe next gen!
>*One generation later*
>... M-maybe next gen?
>*Another generation passes*
>N-next generation, surely...

That'd be fucking swell, but nevertheless, never happening.

oh well, there's always everything else and even though I'm mostly taking it out of my ass, surely, there's got to be one day when they'll consider, even if there's barely a chance

>>31662354
>*One generation later*
*unsheathes muscles*
*gets on two legs*
but you se...chickenchan....i am in fact a dark type so you cannot complain
*finishes off chickenchan with darkest lariat*

>>31662354
What an autistic place to draw the line. Might as well complaint hat we've had Fire starters every game.

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>>31662397
>This entire post

It's so cheesy, but I love it so much. The whole *action* thing was something that was part of me back then and even though it's so cheesy to use it now, it's always a laugh every time.

>*chickenchan raises a finger while under Incineroar* b-but standing on two legs...
>*Incineroar gives the finishing blow* ... should not be any of your concern. *cracks chickenchans' spine* it doesn't matter what u think

I just want Incineroar to be faster than its prevo. The problem isn't slow starters, it's that all three starters are slow as fuck.

Like, give us a little variety in our playstyle, don't force us to choose between OK tank, mediocre tank and OK tank as our starter.

>>31662571
Decidueye is actually faster than both with a base speed of 70. Is this the supposed 'Exceptional Speed' that was described? Exceptional Speed compared to the other two and possibly a good lot of Alola?

>>31659965
Emboar is a focused honorabu fighta
Incineroar keeps stopping up to gloat

>>31662571
Primarina is more of a wallbreaker than a tank, but I agree that one between Decidueye and Incineroar should have been much faster. I honestly thought Incineroar would be something like 95 and Decidueye something like 105 speed before release.

>>31660124
End yourself

>>31660058
Looks lanky

>>31660965
>good
>when he said '''''decent'''''
The education system really is failing.

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>>31662682
The legs in that card's art definitely could use a little more bulk.

>>31660965
sure underage.

>>31662626
Na, incineroar should have the same speed. Cuz look at its stats and typing. It's bulky AF not to mention it hits hard. So giving it a more speed would be like giving swampert or therathorn more speed. But decidueye does need more speed. I at this point I don't think 105 is anouth. How about 115

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>>31660058
>>31660124

That IS official art though via the TCG, so we can just say people can draw him with good proportions and it happens to be canon now.

>>31662647
Uuuuu...
>Makeing incineroar faster.

No. Just no. He's bulky and hits hard. And you want the motherfucker to be faster. No. That's disgusting. Here's what I think baragfags. Make decidueye faster. That's it. And pretty much that balances the gen 7 starters. Give decidueye about 115 speed. And that wouldn't be a problem. Cuz you baragfags and sealfags say that incineroar and primarena is batter then decidueye in the game so giving him more speed shouldn't really change anything.

>>31663140
Are you autistic or...?

>>31662048
No, because it's fighting type and its pre evolution wears a wrestling singlet.

>>31663140

Ignore the butthurt in this thread, lads.

Honestly, as time goes on I really don't see how this starter got so much hate and I just don't see the human in fursuit talk anymore. If that's the case, I don't know why people don't complain on a six-pack Decidueye or ponytail-and-eyelash Primarina.

If anything, you could animalize/make realistic Incineroar the easiest just by putting him on four legs while keeping everything in his design, and it's not hard at all to do the same for the other two starters in the first place.

I'm still newish to /vp/ and learning the hard way how it complains on everything I suppose.

>>31663206
>sumo fighters wear wrestling singlets

>>31659965
it wouldnt be that bad if it got sucker punch
but alas, no priority

>>31663171
Question for you can you even define the word autistic.

>>31660004
wouldn't it be kinda inefficient to tie your shoes while being held?

>>31661213
I don't get what's wrong with monsters being bipedal

>>31663280
Bipedal is just furfag enabling, which should be avoided all the time.

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Somebody in the latest Primarina thread made a pretty good version of the Pinnister picture a couple of days ago.

>>31664725
>Le Ballio ballons

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>>31662340
It would, but then it would actually look too much like emboar

>>31659965
>sumo

>>>/leddit/

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>>31660058

>>31664725

Someone also did a Primarina version.

I wonder how the artist that drew the original with Pinnister feels, given that the drawing is being plagiarized back and forth just to put both canon starters. All it's missing is Decidueye to end the fucking cycle.

>>31666022
That's the one I was referring to. >>31656185.

>>31666099

kek, I goofed, I thought you were mentioning the Incineroar one and I brought that one into mention too.

>>31666099
That's cute as fuck actually. It came out really well

>>31666022
Eh, plagiarizing implies the anons drawing the other versions were trying to pass it off as their own work, which is kind of hard if you're, well, anonymous. I'd still understand if the original artist was bothered by it, though.

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>>31659965
Because GF wanted to stop the speed power creep and so they pretty much doomed a whole generation being bad, because GF can't E-sport good.

>>31660058
It look good, but i do also like its 3D model.

>>31666471
Its 3D model in motion is a lot better than a lot of static GF art, though that's getting better.

>>31663092
This tbrh.
Gamefreaqs is just bad with 3D models, Designs and proportions change a lot from a Pokemon media to another.

I'm pretty sure if Incineroar appear in the S&M anime its proportion will be different too.

can anyone defend his comically-oversized baseball mitts for hands with eggplants for fingers? I've used the fire starter for 20 years, I picked him in Alola and liked him well enough, but this will never be a top tier design because of those stupid hands.

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>>31666600
No, not really. Nice get by the way.

>>31660850
>decidueye: swap sp. attack with defense

fixed

>>31662397
Kek

>>31661039
It sucks right now but I'm hoping this is just the growing pains of removing speed creep. Gens 5 and 6 were just stupid about that.

>>31659965
it gets gassed too easily, the fucking part timer

>>31663323
>God made kangaroos to enable furfags in Ausland

>>31661191
This.

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Is this an Incineroar thread now?

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>>31670220
When wasn't it an Incineroar thread?

>>31660124
The wrist to hand size ratio is already a massive improvement, and it actually has defined arm muscles.

Fuck you guys are autists
If Incineroar is fast it's just Houndoom with the offensive bias switched. That's lame. One second you hate power creep and the next it's all you want.
The bulkier stats (+Intimidate) and low speed differentiates it from Houndoom AND all the other fire starters.

>>31673221
>low speed differentiates it from Houndoom AND all the other fire starters.
It doesn't as much differentiate as it does outright squander its potential.

>>31673221
Should've been a mediocre speed tier, like around 80 maybe. Still on the slow side, but outspeeds a bunch of key things.

>>31666471
>Because GF wanted to stop the speed power creep and so they pretty much doomed a whole generation being bad, because GF can't E-sport good.
And then they introduce Pheromosa and Tapu Koko.

man TCG baracat is ripped

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Explain
replies about watermarks are ignored

>>31676540
mediocre art

>>31659965
>slower than a sumo pig
Teach Incineroar flame charge,
you'll thank me later.

>>31678387
Emboar can also use Flame Charge though.

>>31678406
oh

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>>31678420
At least Incineroar can actually take hits.

>>31660030
Compared to a sumo pig?

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Gotta say I enjoy fit-agile tiger bro a lot to the more usual bulky-ripped takes.

>>31665577
>>31666531

If GF starts drawing it like in that cleaned up GX art, I doubt many will complain on cartoon-sized limbs anymore. That looks pretty damn sweet.

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>>31679286
Weakness to Stealth Rock and no reliable recovery don't do it any favors

Hopefully he gets like Slack Off or something. Cats are lazy right?

>>31682885
Actually I feel like Incineroar's the one cat that could get away with not seeming lazy, what with its signature moves being action-y and wrestler theme and all.

Slack Off would be wonderful on a tanky Incineroar though...

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>>31682885
Given its Sun dex entry, it sounds very fitting.

>>31670220
>not saying vaja con dios

>>31682885
>>31682909
Recover would make sense though, if you interpret it as Incineroar making a comeback, something that's common in professional wrestling.

would you cuddle a baracat

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Give Primarina Calm Mind and 110 speed and it'll either be BL or OU.

>>31685016
That would be Greninja levels of broken, not BL dude

>>31685041
How? Primarina's defense isn't as good as its special defense and it also doesn't have Protean.

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>>31686401

>>31686726
I just noticed the blush

>>31676540
I knew it was coming, but lady wrestlers are my shit and I'm a little disappointed the majority of the art is dudes.

>>31676280
Pidgey used Gust.

>>31687918
but pikipek can learn peck

>>31659965
>incineroar
i bet he's a fucking slut for cock he looks like the type of btm boi who acts all holier than thou because he's pretty and has daddys money but then goes and blows anon daddies in the bathroom at the bar like the little slut he is then drives home sloppy drunk in the car mommy bought him to stare at grindr for like three hours straight looking for a real man to come over an d pound his bussy these kinds of boys are good at what they do but dont even bother talking to them nobody is home lol thats kinda what makes it hot tho knowing that you can basically own his worthless body for a while since hes too fucked up on insecurity to assert himself also i like making it hurt when i fuck boys like him it drives home the point that just cause theyre pretty doesnt mean theyre not faggots barely started in life but already with blown out fuckholes on a one way ride to AIDStown lmao

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>>31689251
what

>>31689251
Girrrl

So, wait. Serious autism time ahead.

Litten hacks up firey hairballs because its insides are heated, presumably by flame sacs. Torracat's dex entry states its flame sac/bell thing lights up when it spits fire. Dunno if it's more hairballs or generic flames from its mouth.

So if this line has internal heating/flame sacs/whatever, and Incineroar's flame belt is proof of that when it literally fires up from excitement, why the hell can't the tiger logically breath fire as well as blast it from its crotch. Even if GF's never gonna show this more sensible option.

Yeah yeah yeah, I know, it just bugs me.

>>31692171
Who knows. I'm still wondering why they didn't seem to anticipate the temptation brought on by giving Incineroar the crotch power to begin with.

>>31692171
the ones it coughs are fiery hairballs, not actual flames

so maybe Incineroar still coughs fiery hairballs but they're weak compared to his Jeeg belt that he doesn't bother

>>31693019
>>31693058

Point taken. Crotch-hilarity aside, I can dig it if Incineroar covers itself in flame, with the fire belt the first and hottest part of it that erupts via internal heat sacs, as the logical conclusion of Litten's internal body heat allowing it to hack up flaming hairballs. This was just logical cause-and-effect wonder from what the dex says Torracat does.

I mean, a fire starter being physically inclined to fight with a flaming body is pretty damn cool compared to the cliche fire breath other fire types have.

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Realistic starters pic, shared 'cause tiger came out the best in it.

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>>31689251
*adjusts cap*

Fine speech.

>>31693261
I feel it doesn't work with incineroar

>>31673914
>trade a bit of bulk that can make a difference for a shitty speed stat that accomplishes nothing of value
go back to showderp
people who have never topped at least one ladder shouldn't post there opinions anywhere

I wonder if people could draw Incineroar like that tiger guy from Tokyo Afternoon Summoners

>>31659965
>sumo
TRIGGERED

>>31689251
That's kinda hot tbqh.

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>>31689251
Is this a pasta ?

>>31661213
To be honest I kind of doubt if we'll ever get a bipedal starter of any type again. Firstly, bipedal starters have always been the most popular. Charizard, Blastoise, Typhlosion, Greninja, Blaziken, Infernape, Sceptile, etc.

Secondly, bipedal designs are obviously a lot easier to anthrompomorphize (the main reason why Greninja, Blaziken, etc, are so popular in the first place).

It's also a lot easier to create interesting and original concepts with bipedal, humanoid Pokemon than quadrupeds. First and second gen starters were of course just "animals with fire/plant parts" or simply just an aquatic animal for water. In third gen actual themes greater than "just an animal" started happening with Blaziken.

The popularity of Blaziken probably spurred Gamefreak to create more starters like that, and all of the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th gen starters embody this. None of them are "just animals", they all have some greater concept and theme. They either represent mythology, a human occupation, or capitalize, expand, and anthropomorphize some interesting aspect of the animal's anatomy or behavior. All of these are much easier to represent with humanoid, bipedal starters, as evidenced by the fact that only 4 out of these 12 starters haven't been fully bipedal. Samurott is partially bipedal, however, and while Primarina and Serperior aren't bipedal they at least stand somewhat upright. Torterra is the only quadruped of the bunch.


Basically bipeds are easier to anthropomorphize and represent interesting concepts with, which in turns makes them the most popular starters, which in turn means Game Freak tends to design bipeds for starters.

>>31676540
4/10

chubbyroar a cute

>>31695450
>tfw you remember people have shit taste and don't like Torterra
>Samurott is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for quadruped starters

Feels bad man

>>31694581
I didn't say he should lose bulk though, fucking retard.

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>>31682885
Given how Leech Life of all things got special treatment and that roar can learn it, its your next best option. It could work on a bulk up set if he had something like Fire Punch to ensure recoil from Flare Blitz doesn't fuck his HP up.

how does he leech life anyway

>>31696920
Vampiric bite

>>31696920
>>31696992
Vampire themed heels.

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>>31696920
Nibbles, like a cat.

>>31697597
I imagine it goes from a cute Litten nibble to gnarly Incineroar bite though.

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>>31697729
I've forgotten how painful it is to raise kittens, especially when they try to climb your legs while you're wearing thin clothing.

Still, I'd prefer being bitten over being clawed.

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fucking hell

Tony the fckng Tiger! The failed wrestler all thanks to GF. I still can't forgive them for making dark types slow in every generation. Well except for Houndoom, but still...

>IT WILL BE UU I SWEAR!!!
>W-WAIT UNTIL INTIMIDATE IS OUT!!!
>M-M-MUH FAKE OUT AND VGC USAGE!!!
>B-B-B-BUT BATTLE SPOT USAGE!!!
HAHAHAHAHA
YOU GUYS HAVE A HABIT OF TRYING TO PROOF THAT YOUR STARTER IS ACTUALLY GOOD AND THEN GET COMPLETELY BTFO. STAY CLASSY BARA AND FURFAGS KEK

>>31699726
>those muscles
>hands that go down to its feet

Why did ANYBODY at Game Freak that the structure they gave that thing was a good idea?!

>>31699804
>Comparing Smogon to VGC and Battlespot

>>31661191
This is actually probably the case. As has been mentioned in lore, pokemon introduced to the region have had a, shall we say, DETRIMENTAL impact on the native species of pokemon--much like in Hawai'i, the native species developed to a plentiful, predator-free island life and, well, real evolution ain't as quick as hitting level 16.

Ganryu is unironically one of the faster characters in Tekken

This is the first Incineroar thread to get falseflaggers in a serious amount, saddening.

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>>31699812
Probably thought it was funny

>>31702425
He looks better in motion.

>>31699804
If some retard stuttering in greentext is your definition of getting "completely btfo" I don't think it means much

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kitty

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>>31700590
I'm guessing it's cause OP started with competitive whining. That just attracts all the autists. There hasn't been any full on serious back and forth shitposting going on so far, so I guess it's not too bad.

what's with the recent shitposting

>>31706229
The hype is gone and most good posters have left