I don't understand the mentality of Garchompfags. Why do

>>31657492
I think they're joking to piss off Flygonfags.

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>>31657492
I do think the Mega shoud have got sand rush, even it would be incredibly broken I mean its a land shark

>>31657596
sand rush just makes more sense considering the base speed drop and the fact that, like you said, it's a land shark that presumably glides through it quite quickly

the mega design is a lot more appealing imo

>>31657492
one day garchomp will be obsolete or power- creeped by another pokemon.

>>31657492
I actually never see them ask for buffs. All I see them say is "still number one" or something of the sort.

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>>31657492
I don't think I've ever seen people non-jokingly asking for buffs unless it's for the shit mega.

>>31657657
>obsolete

I don't want to imagine the meta game at a point where power creep makes fucking garchomp is obsolete

perhaps karma will do to garchomp what garchomp did to flygon
>an objectively superior version of flygon in every way just one generation later

>>31657492
Because they're retarded. If anything Garchomp should be getting a nerf or two.

>>31657492
nobody seriously wants it to be buffed. Nobody would object otherwise, but every claim demanding it is just jokes and memes

>>31657492
Because Garchomp got slapped in the face by having a shitty and useless mega shoved down his throat.

Garchomp deserves better treatment.

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>>31657492
I am going to need evidence, OP. I have never seen anyone asking for a Chomp buff. At best you have the trolls saying that it should get DD but everyone agrees that would break him.

>>31657690
That pic made Garchomp my waifu. Well that and her power

>>31657492
gengarcucks

>>31657725
But what if Sneaky Icicles

>>31657657

By that point, GF will give in and give it Dragon Dance.

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>>31659243
lol no

>>31659243
>If anything Garchomp should be getting a nerf or two.
No, fuck you. Go play in the traffic.

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>>31661054
my nigga

>>31661054
>the mon that effectively started the power creep
>getting nerfed a bit is a bad thing
i'm not exactly begging for a garchomp nerf, but just saying you're not exactly in a position to complain or play victim when it happens

>>31661069
>want Garchomp to become a victim of undeserved nerfs
>"d-don't claim Garchomp is a victim w-when it happens!"
Once again, fuck you.

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>>31661069
>Implying that if that happens they won't make it unusable like they did with Talonflame

>>31661081
Well you guys can't play victim when you flaunt being consistently OU more than any other Pokemon's fanbase.

Well, as long as >>31661091 doesn't happen. Then you can.

>>31661069
I'd give it a nerf to its HP and Special Defense.

>>31657492
honestly, garchomp seems like one of the most overrated pokemon

>>31661109
Yeah. Who would want 130 Attack, 103 Speed and great offensive typing + movepool.

>>31661109
Its no where close to Charizard, Pikachu, Greninja or Lucario. NOWHERE CLOSE.

>>31661106
I wouldn't want a base stat nerf. I was just thinking if Ice ever got a Ground resist or something. But that's me wanting Landorus-T being hit more than Garchomp

>still no Dragon Dance

It's not fair Garchompbros.

>>31657725

It already reached that point, though.

Landorus-T is a better Garchomp in almost every metagame it's allowed.

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>>31661097
The problem is that GF is shit. Garchomp is very consistent, in Singles that is. They only care about doubles and Land Shark has no place in a meta where Landorous-T exists.

>>31661109
>>31661114
I wouldn't call it overrated. It is a very strong pokemon and unlike Charizard, Pikachu Greninja or Lucario it has not being shilled to death by GF. At best it appears a Cynthia Accessory. Garchomp stand by its own merits.

>>31661106
You can't nerf a Psuedos BST, it needs to be 600. If you took some of her HP and SPD and put it in SPA you just made Mixed Chomp more viable.

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>>31661109
What are we talking about here? Appeal? Competitive viability?

>>31661112
>great offensive typing + movepool.

Dragon is a shit offensive typing but its dual Ground typing makes up for it.

>>31661121
>But that's me wanting Landorus-T being hit more than Garchomp

That's pathetic.

>>31661127
Intimidate + Utility moves are what did it I believe.

>>31661138
Who said anything about putting something into its Special Attack?

Just take 20/30 from its HP and 20 from its Special Defense.

>>31661109
>seems like
It is overrated, not as much as >>31661114, but competitively almost every team uses it because of its extreme viability and it's movepool counters it's weaknesses

>>31661136
I wasnt calling it overrated bro. Just was trying to get the other anon to see that it wasnt by actually giving them overrated pokemon. I don't think Garchomp is even the most popular pseudo to normies. Dragonite is.

>>31661138
>it needs to be 600

Really?! Where is that rule written?

>>31661140
>not wanting Lando-T nerfed
Although taking Garchomp with it doesn't solve shit now that I give it some thought.

I know Landorus-T isn't broken but it's always annoyed me how easy it makes teambuilding.

>>31661151
Would be weird for Garchomp to be the only Pseudo with 550 bst.

>>31661140
Mainly in term of competitive and fans. I've see it on every OU team, and it has a lot of fans that go on long rants when ever you say anything against it.

>>31661188
>long rants when ever you say anything against it.

Ugh, I hate blind fanboys.

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>Garchomp isn't overra-

>>31661161
In the BST of every final form of a three-stage family Pokémon of slow growth near the end of their respective Dex.

I fucking hate Garchomp

It IS the powercreep
Look at this number and tell me with a straight face it isn't

102

It doesn't help that it's so fucking ugly either

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>>31661355
>It IS the powercreep
do you understand what powercreep is?
one thing can't be powercreep
and while 102 speed is above average in general, it is pretty much the average speed sweepers have, give or take 1 or 2 points.

Its also cute, CUTE.

>>31657492
Garchomp should get Fly, DD and Shore Up for no other reason that they fit on it

>>31661633
Shore up doesn't, though
the other sorta do, but I remember somebody pointing out fly and flying isn't the same thing, which is why things like gliscor (who the dex says can fly across the world in seconds) can't learn it.

>>31661521
>102 speed is above average in general, it is pretty much the average speed sweepers have, give or take 1 or 2 points.
Average? 102 is less crowded compared to base 100. Everyone crosses their fingers that new frail attackers would not end up with less than 102 speed. A-Ninetales and Tapu Koko are relevant because they're immune to one of Chomp's STABs while not needing a scarf to outspeed it. And are you forgetting that this sweeper also has slightly more bulk than fucking Swampert and Machamp's Attack stat? "Balance" was clearly not Gamfreak's priority when they created Garchomp and you know it.

>>31660640
>her

>>31657657

It already has with Mega Mence

>>31662037
...he says, ignoring the "him" right above it

>>31657492
i just like Garchomp because of its big smelly feet <3

>>31657492

Salamence took over the role of best pseudo with its mega.

>>31661136
Lando isn't allowed in VGC so Chomp is shitting in the format right now.

>>31662229
Isn't the cancer that everyone hates Arcanine and Celesteela?

>>31657690
My female garchomp is named Champagne and this is definitely like this now in my mind

>>31662270
Arcanine is a necessary evil and it's not as ugly as Garchomp. Celesteela fell into obscurity thanks to it, so it's not longer a cancer.

>>31659387
Just use garchomp instead

>>31662302
>pokemon i like is at the top
necessary evil
>pokemon i don't like is at the top
cancer

this is you right now and i don't even consider arcanine cancerous

How good is Garchomp in doubles when Landorus-T is available?

>>31662368
The only thing really going for it is the 102 speed really.

This is why I hope every day that Lando-T loses Intimidate.

>>31662334
Garchomp does nothing that other Pokemon can do, yet it still sees usage because people can't get over him. Arcanine is needed because of Intimidate support and being able to get rid of Celesteela every time with a Z Move, as well as shitting on Kartana, which is a very strong mon at the moment, it can also run support sets with Snarl and Will-o-Wisp to further shut down way too strong Pokemon, like Lele and others previously mentioned.

It has nothing to do with my opinions.

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>>31662368
No reason to run Chomp. Simply put, Lando-T is better than Garchomp at everything.

>>31662431
*Garchomp does nothing that other Pokemon can't do

I can't type today.

>>31662368
When Lando-T appears Chomp disappears.
In every other scenario Chomp is always a very good mon though. Even right now where it doesn't even run dragon claw anymore.

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>>31662431
Well shit I'm actually surprised that's a pretty strong argument except right now I feel with Landorus-T gone Garchomp has a nice purpose being the fast strong Ground these days, though Tapu Koko's speed makes that a flimsy argument. It really feels funny when Krookodile seems like a better Ground choice than Garchomp

My bad, anon. I made assumptions and I looked like a fool for it

>>31662452
>Garchomp does nothing that other Pokemon can't do
it has versatility no other pokemon has, you often don't know what kind of chomp you'l be fighting until he uses a move.

>>31662495
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Dragon Claw
Protect

The only thing normally unpredictable with VGC Garchomp is the item which is an important factor when Groundium Z could be the item, but any Ground-type has that to its name not just Garchomp

>>31662478
No hard feelings.

>>31662495
It literally only runs two sets: Groundium Z and Scarf. You can guess which one based on team composition alone, and its attacks are always these >>31662513 + Poison Jab.

>>31662513
>>31662534
ok then sorry
but in that case why are people even using it if it is so predictable and others do its job better? you can't seriously say everyone is a karenfag for garchomp of all pokemon

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>tfw I feel like a shitter scrub for using garchomp
>tfw when I win matches online without Garchomp I feel alot better than I would if I had used Garchomp
>tfw Garchomp will always ALWAYS be the most overused pokemon

It's a shame because I really liked it a long time ago. Now I can't stand it.

>>31657492
It needs a buff. Landorus is better than it in most formats and Dragon typing keeps getting worse and is pretty much a liability now. A Pokemon with such perfect stat distribution should never be outclassed. That and it has the honor along with Latios of having a Mega worse than it. Mega Chomp definitely needs a buff.

>>31662630
Chomp needs no buff of any kind

>>31657492
>splashable
I really hate when slang from one game gets ported to another where it makes no fucking sense etymologically. What are you supposed to be splashing, assholes?

>>31662587
Because it has high stats. That's literally it. We wouldn't lose anything worthwhile if Garchomp wasn't in the dex.

>>31662662
>Because it has high stats. That's literally it
that doesn't make any sense. By that logic people should be using the starters more, and the pseudos, and just pokemon with over 520 BST. It isn't just high stats.

>We wouldn't lose anything worthwhile if Garchomp wasn't in the dex.
Yeah we would, we would always lose something no matter what pokemon would be theoretically retconned from the dex, wether its ledian, swanna, kyurem-w or garchomp

>>31661926
Holy shit this! Most Pokemon that bulky are slow as fuck. Garchomp fags should be kissing Masuda's ass or whoever gave the greenlight on a Pokemon with that much bulk being allowed to have that much speed. 108 HP, 95 DeF, and 85 Sp. DeF.

>>31662710
>that doesn't make any sense.

But it does. 130 attack plus 102 speed is good, so people use it for that. There are Pokemon with high attacks, but most of them don't have the speed to compensate for them.

>By that logic people should be using the starters more, and the pseudos, and just pokemon with over 520 BST

I'm not talking about raw BST.

>Yeah we would

Not competitively, which is what we're discussing.

>>31662764
I'd think something could be lost from singles, but not doubles.

I can't think of anything that can pull off the Tankchomp set just as well.

>>31662478
>It really feels funny when Krookodile seems like a better Ground choice than Garchomp
But Krook is also weak to Fairy and needs to run Z-Iron Tail to even touch Bulu(no, it doesn't have the SpA to run Sludge Bomb) compared to Chomp's access to Poison Jab and Fire Blast? Krook is a more rewarding Scarfer compared to Chomp due to Moxie at the very least. I don't know why Chomp has more usage as a scarfer when Moxie Krook does it way better. Is it because of Scarf Lele when ScarfChomp fails to OHKO her as well?

>>31662782
Anon I'm talking about doubles where Intimidate and Snarl become really nice tools for Krookodile to use to soften both targets.

Also Power Trip for Memevee teams.

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>always use my favorites
>do moderately well until Garchomp shows up
>either outspeeds or totally overpowers them
I just wish he didn't have that speed stat. Now every time I'm considering a Pokemon for my team, I need to ask "can this outspeed Garchomp?" and if they can't, it really hurts their chances.
Say what you want about Garchomp being balanced but he's made the game a lot less fun for me but over the years.

>>31662764
>130 attack plus 102 speed is good, so people use it for that
But then it does have a use other pokemon don't have.

You say garchomp has nothing other pokemon don't have, but you then say his distribution and BST is great, meaning it does have something others don't which makes it worth putting into a team.

I don't get what you're trying to say.

>Not competitively, which is what we're discussing.
yeah, competitively too. there are no dragon/ground type with the attack, speed and bulk garchomp has.

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>>31662829
I know that feel anon. I've been considering using Ninetails or something else to replace my chomp because he's not really fun for me to use anymore and that's all I see when I go online.

>>31662837
Well, Zygarde 50% (and 100 of course) does have more bulk. It doesn't have the attack and speed but it's close and it can learn DD unlike Garchomp

Are individual-Pokemon-fandom-wars the hot new way the underages on this board fling shit at each other? I can't decide if it's more or less terrible than genwars.

>>31662881
garchomp has SD, and a good enough speed so that he doesn't have to worry about it, meaning in the end he hits harder with roughly the same bulk after one turn of setup.

>>31662837
I'm talking about what it can do that no other Pokemon can. What it walls, what it checks. It's not like Arcanine that helps dealing with top threats. Garchomp does nothing unique like that. People only run it because "oh look, good offensive stats, let's splash it on my team", that's literally how people formed teams week 2-3 when there was already a big event happening.

Dragon is an irrelevant type right now thanks to fairies, especially Fini. Its most useful type is ground and by far.

I think it's funny how some Garchompfags wantsLandorus-Therian to be nerfed because it outclasses Garchomp. I bet you half my life points these same people didn't give a shit when Garchomp was outclassing Flygon from Gen 4 and beyond. Where were you people then?

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Leave Garchomp to me

>>31662920
"Balance only matters when it gets in the way of my enjoyment or the Pokemon I like."

Before Garchompfags were too busy being relevant and one shotting most Pokemon and could most likely care less about nerfs. Now that the shoes on the other foot and another Pokemon does Garchomps job better they want to start talking about nerfs. It's hilarious.

>>31662914
but why are people still using it.
You're right, loads of people see high stats and get it, but then the same should apply for monsters like dragonite, ash greninja and pheromosa, specially since they all have better overall performance than garchomp given their types/movepools/abilities.

It doesn't make much sense to say garchomp is outclassed or that other pokemon also do everything it does when it still manages to see so much usage.

>>31662920
>>31662963
>some Garchompfags wantsLandorus-Therian to be nerfed because it outclasses Garchomp
Who has ever said that. They perform different roles and garchomp is still relevant despite lando-T crushing OU for 3 gens straight.

I swear you people see 1 person complaining and think its the whole fanbase.

>>31662990
Keyword: SOME.

>>31662829
Thankfully Chomp doesn't run Outrage as Fairies are everywhere, so I run Acid Spray + HP Ice Assault Vest Eelektross for the lolz.

>>31662920
Jokes on you I'm a Flygonfag who wants Lando-T nerfed.

>>31662975
The thing with Dragonite is that it pretty much needs boosting in order to do something, and boosting in VGC is very risky and require a lot of prediction, not to mention that it doesn't get to use its flying STAB, and Dragon Claw won't do much because of the presence of Fini and its terrain.

Ash Greninja is banned.

Pheromosa sees some usage every now and then, mostly with Oricorio gimmick teams, the thing with it is that it dies to a breeze, and with double targetting (especially via spread moves) being a thing, it can't be as overused as it could be.

>>31663019
you keep listing reasons why everything else sucks (bar greninja of course), and yet garchomp isn't affected by most of these since he has a way of getting around them

To me this just proves he has tools others don't which merit its prescense in the meta. Can you tell me straight up what other pokemon can serve every role garchomp does? and why you should use those instead of garchomp.

>>31657492
Im a garchomp fag and don't want my bro to get buffed
but then again im a cloud riding muslim hater so what do i know?

>>31663057
>Garchomp
>my bro

Now, I'm not saying you aren't, perhaps you are one of those few people who would still use chomp even if it got nerfed some how. But Garchomp? man the majority of people who say garchomp are their "bros" are the kinds of people who only use it because its strong not necessarily because they like the pokemon. The second something outclasses it, that mon is it's "bro".

Example: Gengar

>>31663052
>poison jabber

Muk.

>ground moves

Krookodile. It also has intimidate, so it's more useful, and its dark type helps dealing with random stuff like Oranguru.

Also, Mudsdale.

>dragon moves

lel

Garchomp rarely uses rock moves, so there is no point in mentioning them, but even so, Gigalith is better at that, not to mention that it gets a free Assault Vest thanks to its sand and can deal well with fairies because of Heavy Slam.

>>31662920
Flygon is mediocre anyway. If you outclass a monster like Garchomp then you're ridiculous. Floating lion of healthy meta also outclasses shit like Flygon more than Chomp does. Garchomp outclasses Swampert more than it does Flygon does and I don't see Swampert fags crying like Flygon fags do.

>>31663094
but those are two different pokemon, doesn't garchomp get to fulfill both of those roles at the same time (aside from krookodile's intimidate)?

>>31663100
Why is it that only Garchompbros can tell that Flygonfags are THE cancer? It's ridiculous and annoying that sheeplets takes the sides of Flygonfags, just because these assholes play the victim cards all the time.

>>31663094
>Muk
Earthquake and its dead
>Krookadile
-6 weakness compared to 3 which are easily covered
>Dragon moves
No one uses that shit anymore

Garchomp is literally the best pokemon in existence. No other mon has the usage like Garchomp, or the versatility.

>>31663115
That's not what he said

>>31663125
people like the underdog, and hate having to realize groups of people don't all behave the same. they prefer to see all flygonfags as poor victims, and garchompfags as imposive assholes, instead of thinking about how there's both of those in each group

>>31663105
Mudsdale is a better fairy killer than Garchomp amd hits harder with High Horsepower, it also has access to rock moves if you need them.

>>31663137
>muk
>dying to earthquakes

I can tell you haven't played the format. No point in arguing with you.

>>31663162
mudsdale is ridiculously slow though, not to mention its high defense isn't too good when most of its weaknesses are special, and you mentioned that garchomp has access to rock moves too.

>>31663125
Why are Garchompfags so jealous of the Desert Spirit?
It's like hornfags, they'll never understand what makes a Pokémon look good
Garchomp is the epitome of shit design
stat-wise and aesthetically

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>>31661081
>undeserved

>>31663172
Its slow speed doesn't matter when it can tank hits very well with AV and SpD investment and KO back.

>>31663173
See? This is the typical Flygonfag. They shit on their betters to defend themselves.

By the way, thanks for proving once and for all to everyone that Flygonfags are the true cancer.

>>31661127
102 speed is one hell of a drug anon. Being able to reliably go Scarf and run SD without a speed boosting move matters a lot.

>>31663155
you're right, I'm sorry

>>31663173
yeah, no. stat wise its quite the opposite and aesthetically its subjective, but flygon still has a lot of elements shared with garchomp, don't know how you can say you like one and that the other is pure shit.

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Why are shitters so desperate to try and bring down garchomp? Your shitmon will always be shit.

Garchomp is AMAZING, maybe if you stop being a shitter and use chomp, you'll see why it has and will ALWAYS be used in VGC and every competitive scene.

>mfw your bro is the KING

>>31663188
I say"shit design" stat-wise not because it's bad, but because it's too good

>>31663201
your """"bro"""" is a huge slut

>>31663185
but garchomp can also KO without having to tank a hit and keep item versatility.

I don't see how mudsdale is a better fairy killer either, I thought he only had access to heavy slam, isn't that unreliable as fuck?

>>31663202
so you're saying it's shit because it's good?
this is just pathetic

>>31663186
>Garchomp
>better than anything

Pokémon would be a better game without Garchomp
prove me wrong
desu it's one of like 3 Pokémon I actually dislike

>>31663216
no, I'm saying it's a "shit design" in that it's very poorly designed from a balance standpoint

I'll say again why
102

>>31663208
boo hoo flygon fag.

>>31663209
Garchomp can't OHKO any fairies though (bar Bulu, but the standard set is EV'd to survive), and they WILL KO him back after taking the hit. Heavy Slam in a very very heavy Pokemon is never unreliable, especially since it's at least 100 BP on a huge chunk of the meta. Against fairies it stands as a 120 BP move too.

>>31663239
Garchomp a slut! SLUT!

>>31663244
thats why you have a team to take care of fairies

>>31663218
You do realize that contrarians such as yourself are considered lower than dirt by most people, right?

In other words, you don't have the right to talk.

>>31663265
sorry my taste isn't as bad as yours

>>31663244
ok then, I still feel mudsdale's weaknesses outweigh his advantages.

But lets assume they don't, garchomp is still only outclassed as a fairy killer by one pokemon, while he still functions as several roles that a team would take more than one pokemon to cover otherwise. It still seems to me like garchomp has more going for it than just stats, I don't see how you consider that people only use it because it "looks" strong.

>>31663218
Pokemon would be a lot more stall-centered without such a potent attacker.
>legitimately disliking pokemon
neck yourself

>>31663228
>it isn't balanced
quite the opposite, it has always been balanced, have you perhaps not read this thread of people discussing how it barely is good nowadays? you're really just blinded by the fact flygon never was good to realize garchomp never was overwhelmingly good either

>>31663216
No you idiot he's saying that Garchomp's stats are poor game design.

>>31663302
>quite the opposite, it has always been balanced, have you perhaps not read this thread of people discussing how it barely is good nowadays?

Kek. Garchomp is literally the posterboy for power creep. Fuck off and kysi.

>>31663320
>its bad game design because its good without being broken instead of shit
you're still pathetic

>>31663302
I know Flygon's never been good, that's not the problem
One of my favorite Pokémon is Ledian
It's fine that it's shit, some Pokémon just aren't good

The problem is that you can't make a team without either having Garchomp or specifically countering it
How many other Pokémon have ever had that 'honor'?

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>>31663257
>>31663208
That's how I like it.

Would you genetically engineer a shark to be an even more efficient killing machine? I would.

>>31663337
>>31663340
As always, antigarchompfags are scum of the earth.

/vp/ should just ignore antigarchompfags from now on.

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>>31663345
no

An orca, though...

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Name ONE pokemon that is as versatile,bulky,fast and strong like garchomp, hell BETTER even without mentioning landerous because that's banned.

This pokemon should be so good, I should be able to go in my game RIGHT now and release my garchomp because this mon is just much better.

protip: you can't

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>>31663201
>Mfw my favorite is Landorus-Therian

How's it feel getting cucked? I assume this is the part you start crying for nerfs.

"I-i-it's only okay when Garchomp does it."

>>31663340
Every non-Hoopa suspect ban in smogon ou for one.

SINNOHFETUSES GET OFF MY IMAGEBOARD

>>31663372
Don't attempt lying. Nobody likes Landorus-T.

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>>31663372
>my favorite is Landorus-Therian
Bullshit

>>31663361
A primal orcha would just be some sort of hairless dog thing. Another blunder for gen vi.

>>31663340
roughly half of OU anon, come on. If you don't know what to do against stall cores, mega cores, and UBs + tapus you're trash.

>>31663337
>its another powercreep buzzword
so you literally cant come up with an argument? or perhaps your attentions span really is so small you can't sit down and read sets of 6 sentence paragraphs about what you so vehemently hate.

Pathetic.

>>31663282
What roles would they be? I already listed them all, and as I said, they're done better by other Pokemon. From my experience, Garchomp doesn't do anything worthwhile, at least in this meta.

>>31663386
>>31663392

I could say the same thing to Garchomp fags. Nobody could like that ugly, atrocious Land Shark garbage of a Pokemon.

>>31663401
>it's another "it's not powercreep because I say so" post

not an argument

>>31663386
I like it, I don't like to use it since I hate playing mementum but I like the design. A cloud tiger is dope

What are some well-designed Pokémon?
I mean stat-wise

>>31663362
Primal Groudon. Bit slower but can boost.

>>31663409
you did list them, and you also listed different pokemon on each role, so like I said, only mudsdale, acording to you, outclasses garchomp, and you don't see mudsdale getting used almost at all.

I really don't get how you can think this when it sees so much usage. I would get it if it would get, say, the 10th spot, but number 1 is way to high for a useless mon.

>>31663414
>manly, cool Land Shark badass
FTFY

You're just a jealous little bitch who's mad that Flygon will never be anywhere as universally beloved and respected as Garchomp for all eternity.

>>31663435
Greninja. But Protean put it overboard with its versatile moveset.

>>31663422
you didn't put any arguments either boy, all you did was tell me to kill myself and said it was so, aside from refusing to read like a petty child

Why the Fuck is there such a war in this thread? I thought competitive rags and their competitive pokes got along?

>>31663447
Then you should like Landorus as well.

>Has a mustache
>Has beefy arms

How's it feel being a hypocrite?

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>>31663481
Scrafty's pretty well-designed, stat-wise

Too bad Fairy exists

>>31663436
>Banned

>>31663481
It can't be helped. Just like Garchomp itself all Garchompfags know how to do is bring more cancer along with them.

>>31663499
I think the best part is how they assume everyone that hates Garchomp is a Flygonfag

>>31663499
you're not exactly helping here either

>>31663414
Haha look at this shitter.

Whats wrong? did you get swept by Garchomp? I can only image thats there's like 1 person on this thread samefaggin his hate for garchomp because he just got destroyed.

tapu kek, go stick to your other inferior shitmons.

>>31663499
We're the cancer? If anything, Flygonfags are the cancer. See >>31663125 and >>31663158

>>31663514
How can I get destroyed by Garchomp when my Landorus-Therian lowers its attack with Intimidate and is immune to Earthquake? :^)

>>31663510
Yes it's pretty hilarious.

>>31663441
It's number 2, actually, not like it matters. I guess it's because I've tried a shit ton of ways to use Garchomp and it has disappointed me every single time. All the Pokemon I've mentioned have been way more useful than Garchomp in all of my teams. Facing it is no problem either, since it dies to everything I throw at it and doesn't puch holes in my teams.

I see it as a jack of all trades, master of none. If I want something that Garchomp could theorically do, I just look for whoever does it better.

>>31663550
It's the best at being ugly af if nothing else

>>31663538
because a GOOD player would've already killed that genie and then proceed to sweep with garchomp while you desperately try to figure out a way to make your shitmons survive.

>>31663510
It's not only them but they're the most butt hurt about Garchomp. It really is amusing because we're not in Gen 4 anymore. Even if Garchomp didn't exist or was nerfed, Flygon is still weaker than several other Ground types and would see little usage from competent players.

>>31663550
Garchomp is the epitome of instant gratification. It helps that it's also simple to use. It's very easy for noobs to do good with and feel good about themselves like they've actually achieved something difficult when they sweep another shittier noobs team with one Pokemon. That's why its used so much.

>>31663569
>several other Ground types
There's the real problem with Garchomp
It invalidates so much shit because it's basically the same thing but better stats at the cost of being ugly

>>31663550
Mew (at least in gen 6) and the pixie mons are evidence of how these jack of all trades can work, specially in garchomp's sense since it is even more min maxed.

I guess there would be better options, but if it really is number 2, it means its a good jack of all trades, at least how I see it.

>>31663556
That has nothing to do with the discussion

>>31663580
if it were that way it wouldn't be the second most used mon, which is the point I've been trying to make since the start.

Things like pheromosa and buzzwole are also instant gratification noob killers, and they don't see nearly as much usage

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ALL HAIL THE KING
ALL HAIL THE KING
ALL HAIL THE KING
ALL HAIL THE KING

>>31663596
Fuck off. Only flygonfags think that bestchomp is "ugly".

Garchomp reminds me of Cloud from Smash Bros.

>>31663613
in that every time somebody uses him it generates anger and controversy?

>>31663613
but Cloud's likable?????

>>31663613
Not sure how Garchomp reminds you of some emo wuss but okay, I will just assume you're crazy and leave it at that.

>>31663606
no

>>31663602
used more ≠ better

>all these people saying "well garchomp is ugly, haha!"
You people do realize calling it ugly means nothing when most people who use it like how it looks? appearance is subjective, all you're doing is proving you have nothing else to say about garchomp

>>31663634
you're right, its just millions and millions of retards, keep telling yourself that. You're the living proof of how delusional /vp/ trully is

>>31663634
kek

It's the top pic for VGC tournaments, for good reason.

Sorry your shitmon doesn't really compare, why don't you try using good pokemon for once. :^)

>unironically being this butthurt about fictional creatures
all of you need to off yourselves

>>31663646
Ugliness is half the reason I dislike
The other half is how it invalidates most other Pokémon

And I don't just mean Flygon, it's outclassed by a lot of other stuff

>>31663655
It's actually not.

https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/#wcs

God damn. And people say waifu threads are the worst. This is the worst thread on /vp/ right now.

>185 posts
>44 IPs
I really wish this thread had died a while ago and didn't devolve into this shitflinging fest

>>31663662 this too

>>31663667
Garchomp is supposed to invalidate most other pokemon by design you fucking retard.

And it's great game design, don't even try to argue that it's "bad" game design because it's not bad game design at all.

>>31663667
then why aren't you mad at all of OU?

>>31663684
>And it's great game design, don't even try to argue that it's "bad" game design because it's not bad game design at all.

Can you explain how?

>>31663669
Arcanine is fucking cancer. Good thing though it's easy to take out and extremely predictable.

>>31663606
And only cucked Chompfags think Landorus-Therian is ugly.

>>31663601
Buzzwole is significantly slower while having a bad Bug STAB and another STAB belonging to a type that was recently nerfed in Gen 6. It also has terrible special defense in comparison to Garchomp's special defense.

As for Pheromosa I don't know. Maybe because Garchomp can take a hit and still hit hard while Pheromosa doesn't have much longevity?

>>31663618
Both powerful characters that kind of break rules or established traditions and are easy for noobs to pick up and use to great success at the low level at least.

If you've ever used a character like Link and then used Cloud in Smash Bros. you'll know what I mean. Vanilla Cloud's design was bewildering and made me lose more respect for Sakurai.

What would a metagame WITHOUT Garchomp look like?

This isn't related to any ongoing argument, I'm just curious.

>>31663700
Garchomp prevents pokemon with bad designs from ever tarnishing Pokemon's name by giving competitively players no reasons to pick them when a superior pokemon like Garchomp exists.

Without Garchomp, nobody would bother watching VGC tournaments because they don't want to cringe at the bad design pokemon showing up. Let that sink in for a moment.

Garchomp saved competitive Pokemon.

>>31663675
It actually has a reasonable discussion with both sides giving their arguments and counterarguments, but yeah, the rest is just a shitfest.

>>31663728
>If you've ever used a character like Link and then used Cloud in Smash Bros. you'll know what I mean. Vanilla Cloud's design was bewildering and made me lose more respect for Sakurai.
This is how I feel about Garchomp and Rosalina, but that's unrelated

>>31663743
This.

Not only that, people actually think
>If garchomp was nerfed my shitmon would be better!

Nah, your shitmon was always shit to begin with.

>>31663713
Arcanine is fluffy and cute though.

Quick rundown about garchomp
>Masuda bows to Garchomps
>In contact with aliens
>Possess psychic-like abilities
>Own castles & banks globally
>Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
>Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)
>Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth
>First designer babies will in all likelihood be Garchomp babies
>both brothers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51
>Ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now
>The Garchomps are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader's first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Garchomp bunker in Wilkes land?
>scientists pointed a telescopic array at the source of the 'bog bang' that created our universe
>this is what they heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46kAzBMJpEk
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Garchomp
>The twins are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they're benevolent beings.
>the big red phone in the Kremlin is a direct line to the Garchomp manor
>the last person who missed a call was Mikhail Gorbachov. He resigned and fled the country in fear and the Garchomp

>>31663783
tigerdog is cool design

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>scrubs and karenfags mad they keep getting swept by the best pokemon in existence.
>have no arguments and retort to calling it ugly
>some of these people are so desperate they resort to using memeteams to take out chomp
>Mfw Godchomp masterrace

Get use to it shitters. Garchomp is here to stay and will ALWAYS be the best.

>>31663838
he says, as he posts a picture of a Pokémon that Garchomp invalidates

>>31663878
its a reaction image YA DIP.

And Weezing is a shitmon anyway. with fucking levitate.

>>31663878
>Weezing
>invalidated by Garchomp
Weezing was invalidated by poor special bulk and no reliable recover.

t. Guy who really likes Weezing and doesn't care much for Garchomp.

>>31663878
Tap Lele and other psychic types invalidates weezing more than chomp. What can chomp even do to weezing?

>>31663201

The moment Lando-T or P-Groudon come back into VGC, its over for Garchomp

>>31663976
keep telling yourself that.

Garchomp is the BEST at what it does and thats WINNING.

>>31657492
What mons would be more relevant if Garchomp didn't exist?

>>31664200
None. They'd all be shit still.

>>31664245
this

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What the hell is even going on this thread? Is this bait or just shitposting?

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>>31661161
>>31661151
>Pseudo-legendary Pokémon (Japanese: 600族 600 club) is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, 1,250,000 experience at level 100, and a base stat total of exactly 600

>>31664577
its just a bunch of shitters saying garchomp is shit

Never had that much trouble with Garchomp desu.
But I guess it's because I use water types a lot.

>>31661069
>the mon that effectively started the power creep
Stop this fucking meme. Power creep was started by the casualization of the game by braindead moves that (then) simplified the game like close combat. Just like the Stall meme, this shows how /vp/ has no fucking clue about what competitive is and its history.

>>31664852
Isn't close combat a physical version of Fire Blast, Hydro Pump and Thunder

>>31661091
Not him but no, that won't happen. GF killed it by simple gutting its ability, this due the fact that TFlame has always been a shitmon that got in its ability a saving grace, while Garchomp doesn't rely only in its ability to work. Also GF hardly would make some complex nerf, they just nerf things individually like weathers or Gale Wings.

>>31664892
he has a point

while i'd disagree that moves in particular started the creep, close combat is easily spammable with little drawback when you can just switch out to remove the def drops

after going through this thread and actually participating in good discussion i take back my whole "don't play victim" post. i guess i just find garchompfags way too snobby

>>31664975
How many moves like that there is anyways? The closest I can think of is Superpower

>>31663362
Mega Mom and Mega Salamence

All of those 3 were a mistake, but GameFreak "miraculously" only nerfed the first one and gave the second one a minor nerf at best

>dragonfags will defend this

>>31657657
In doubles at least, it's generally considered a very niche pick with little over Landorus-T.

The speed is great and it has more bulk sans intimidate, but if you post a VGC 2015 Rate My Team with a Garchomp in, first post will be "replace it with Landorus".

>>31665042
well gen 4 did introduce loads of new priority moves of different types like water, steel or dark which could be seen as a "power creep" of sorts along with stuff like flare blitz and head smash

i'd also argue that, though not gen 4, scald is way too easily spammable

>>31665048
Actually, M-Salamence was indirectly buffed, because now it will have 120 base speed the same turn it mega evolves.

>>31657492
I don't like Garchompo, but his mega should be better.

But Flygon needs a buff.
(Also Chomp should get Dragon Dance.)

>>31665048
They nerfed 2 out of the Big 6, Mon and Smeargle.

>>31665104
Flare Blitz kills the user pretty fast and HS has low accuracy and it is only spammable on stuff with Rock Head. I don't think the so called power creep exists. GF can't design, they have no idea what makes a good pokemon. Everything Meta is an accident. If we look at pokemon like you would any other RPG, ratatta is the wooden sword you start with and Garchomp is Excalibur, Landorus is Excalibur+. They have no intention of balancing and the nerfs where just to silence the fanbase. It is halfassed. Look at the million counters that Talonflame had and the new ones. Plus all of that abilities and stuff they shilled:
>Oranguru's Instruct
>Passimian's Ability
>Trigger Fish and FemDom Plant's abilities
I am to lazy to list the rest but nothing did any of that had any impact?

>>31665104
Don't forget Close Combat and Draco Meteor
>120/100 physical attack with great coverage and a minor as fuck drawback
>140/90 special attack with 1 resist and 0 immunities, the resisting type also being known for usually having a poor special defense
As well as items like Life Orb (biggest offender imo), Choice Scarf and Choice Specs.

Gen 4 was definitely the moment power creep first ever became a thing

>>31665042
Superpower is not spammable

>>31665194
oranguru was good
the rest though

>>31665198
>don't forget close combat
>example that started the move power creep discussion was close combat

>>31665213
Oh sorry, didn't follow the whole comment chain

>>31664200
Flygon is the closest thing to Garchomp.

>>31665194
Oranguru dominated early meta in VGC17, and still sees some usage today. Also, Talonflame was part of the big 6, and you know how he ended.

>>31665194
>Flare Blitz kills the user pretty fast and HS has low accuracy and it is only spammable on stuff with Rock Head. I don't think the so called power creep exists. GF can't design, they have no idea what makes a good pokemon. Everything Meta is an accident. If we look at pokemon like you would any other RPG, ratatta is the wooden sword you start with and Garchomp is Excalibur, Landorus is Excalibur+. They have no intention of balancing and the nerfs where just to silence the fanbase. It is halfassed.
This is clear, I mean how can someone not see that?

>>31664200
Most ground types
Most non-Ice physical attackers

>>31665042
Superpower is only good as a coverage move(Tapu Bulu appreciates being able to nuke Heatran and Ferrothorn). For a STAB move, you either need CC,HJK,Drain Punch, Hammer Arm with Iron Fist ability, or bust. Which explains why Kommo-o is such a shitmon.

>>31665329
KommoO is shit because he doesn't have the speed to sweep and he doesn't have the bulk (or typing) to tank.

>>31665194
I'm kind of pissed how they shot down a largely balanced Pokemon like Talonflame in a span of a single generation but let shit like Gachomp run free even though it appears on top 3 of almost every official usage list since gen 5. If thats not a huge NERF ME sign then I don't know what is.

>>31665339
His stat spread was obviously designed with 1 move in mind (Shell Smash) but Game Fraud chickened out at the last moment

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>>31665329
Kommo-o makes me sad. His one ray of hope for not being a shitmon was snuffed by GF. Why are Alola Pokemon so bad? The few good things are Legendaries or UBs

>>31665344
I am also angry about the TF nerf. The thing is, Talon was a B6 and Garchomp wasn't. Talonflame and Garchomp won at worlds once, they were on the same team. Hell last year no one had a Garchomp. It has being said but Garchomp is already surpassed by Landorous-T

>>31665344
GF balances with doubles in mind. And garchomp is just a worse Lando-t in doubles.

>>31665480
Still it's amazing that Landorus-T had a 100% usage rate during the VGC15 Top 8 and Gamefreak not only didn't nerf it, but buffed it since it can use Fly well with Z-Moves

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>>31665339
IDK,a DDancer with STAB Close Combat would be an awesome niche for it. Drain Punch would be godly for Belly Drum and Bulk up sets. Fighting probably has the best attacking moves next to Grass(despite the poor coverage)

>>31665512
The Japonese complained about Mom. That is why they nerfed her. Koko is an indirect nerf to Smeargle. I dunno if they cried about TF being OP as well, I am sure as hell that people hated genies but as long as the nips don't, GF won't touch them.

>>31665198
>>120/100 physical attack with great coverage and a minor as fuck drawback

That's not minor. That one drop can be the difference between your Pokemon being OHKO'd or 2HKO'd. Also, switching out after Close Combat is predictable.

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>>31661136
>unlike Charizard, Pikachu Greninja or Lucario it has not being shilled to death by GF

>retarded stat spread/typing/movepool/ability combination since day 0
>one of the first Pokemon to get a Mega even though it was arguably one of the last Pokemon in need of it
>an in-game NPC literally telling you you should use Garchomp
>another in-game NPC known for using another Dragon/Ground as a signature Pokemon basically going "I know you probably expected something different, but you know, there is this cool Pokemon called Garchomp you should give a try instead! *hands you Garchompite*"
>frequent apperances in the anime
>lots of merch
>one of the playable characters in Pokken's very limited roster
I'm actually surprised this thing doesn't get more hate.