>extreme min-maxing >ability that raises their stats even

>>31651468
Celesteela and Pheromosa are the only cancerous ones.

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>>31651468
Oh yeah cause Guzzlord is so threatening right?

>>31651468
it's a new way to look at Pokemon

honestly ubs arent even that min-maxed

>>31651597
>Xurkitree
>Kartana
>Pheromosa

Of course only one of these turned out to be cancer, but still

>>31651468
Extreme min-maxing is what makes them great

someone fix guzzlord please

>>31651686
Literally just give it reliable recovery. Maybe shift some attack into special attack but that might be overkill.

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>>31651601
>higher Attack than Mega Fug
>Ferrothorn-tier physical wall
>faster than the Musketeers
Minmaxing is hilarious

>>31651601
>Xukitree
>Base 83 speed
>Min-maxed

If they really wanted to min-max Xurk they'd give it 113 base speed instead of that abysmal stat.

>>31651742
>Hits like a pussy because it's highest stab is 90
>Not even Slugma used Ember but anything used HP fire and it's dead

All the UB despite being seemingly broken at first glance all have one critical flaw that makes them perfectly manageable and balanced. This is how you design a competitively good Pokemon.

Celesteela is the only one I'd say has no real flaw and Guzzlord is just plain shit.

>>31651742
>NFE fire type shitmon used low BP special fire move!

>>31651597
Yes they are.

>>31651754
Xurkitree learns the most retarded Z-Move on the game and it has Tailglow.

>>31651739
I like Guzzlord better as a special attacker. Beast Boost Draco Meteors are nice.

I don't understand why they didn't give it Slack Off or something.

>>31651790
Guzzlord would prefer 50 of his HP to go to his defenses first.

>>31651686
Beast Boost now affects HP. Now that Zygarde has set the precedence for raising max HP mid-battle, I see no reason not to introduce HP boosts for a handful of shitmons.

>>31651780
>Xurkitree learns the most retarded Z-Move on the game
Since when does Xurkitree learn Geomancy?

>>31651780
>Xurkitree is broken is you let him set-up for 2 turns!
Sound like you are the problem if you are retarded enough to give it 2 turns to do whatever it fucking wants.

>>31651821
That charge turn though.

>>31651822
Ah, I see you're one of those retards who shitposts on 4chan all the time and barely actually play the game.

>>31651821
>>31651951
to be fair, xerneas has retarded bulk that allows it to stand still for 2 turns anyways

>>31651812
he would still have to get kills and good luck with that.

>>31651762
>Togedemaru used Nuzzle!

>>31653770
celesteela doesn't even have a x4 electric weakness

>>31651762
>Celesteela is the only one I'd say has no real flaw
No recovery, though leech seed is okay

>>31651762
This, and also that Grass/Steel is pretty shit offensively. It isn't bad enough that its strongest STAB is a mere 90 BP move, but the other STAB is 70

Seriously though
Pheromosa is so stupid people are running Alola Marowak, a pokemon with shit stats everywhere except Thick Club-boosted Attack pretty much only to wall it. Lightning Rod helps it wall Tapu Koko too but honestly, if it weren't for Pheromosa, Alowak wouldn't be near OU

>>31653806
It isn't grass steel

>>31653862
he's talking about kartana, referring to leaf blade and smart strike being its only stabs

>>31653782
Huh, I could've sworn Steel was weak to Electric.

>>31653801
>they give it Giga Drain via tutor

>>31653921
it's not. If it wasn't magnezone wouldn't be one of the few pokemon that still needs to carry hidden power

>>31653933
Celesteela has giga drain as a level up, dumbo. level 31

>>31653949
Ignore the derp moment then.

>>31653933
It already has giga drain, they should give it synthesis

>>31651541
I only play randoms on Showdown, every single time I've encountered/used Celesteela it died quickly. Not even with Assault Vest and Autotomize and a Beast Boost. It's not cancerous.

>>31651762
pls no bully Kartana it got me to floor 110 of the Tree

>>31651812
>kill your own teammates in doubles for hp

>>31654139
that's kind of fitting for a dark type

>>31654007
t. randoms only player