I know this is autistic but fuck it. Here are some things that

>>31631209
>>>/padt/
Stop making anime threads outside the containment thread

>>31631209
2. Ash Greninja is a mistake

Like Ash, he is a gary stu. A super powerful mon who exists because reasons that only Ash can get because reasons.

I know why a portion of the fanbase uses this season to self insert.

Ash is bland so they can project themselves onto him.

He has a girl who loves him no matter what for a reason he can't understand

And he has a one of a kind ultra powerful mon.

>>31631209
can you post your autistic shit about a show specifically designed to be completely bland and lacking of any substance, in the containment general please? thank you.

I havent watched the anime since like the year 2000. Did he take Greninja to Alola?

>>31631246
>>31631209
Delete this thread and go post this wall of autism in the anime discussion thread.

>>31631238
Discussion gets drowned out by waifu wars

>>31631209
No one cares.

>>31631274
There's no waifu wars there right now, I just checked. Just fucking go post it there. Half the reason the thread sometimes has waifu wars is that people refuse to post anime related discussion questions there.

Now delete your stupid thread and fuck off to /padt/

>>31631209
>>31631246
Those apply to literally every season, maybe except Kanto and DP.

>>31631238
I'm just gonna keep making anime threads.
Don't like it? Too bad bitch.

>>31631209
>>31631246
BURASUTO

>>31631209
>Serena loves him because of complete bullshit.
She just has a crush on him, everyone has had a crush on someone just because

>Alain admires him for some fucking reason to the point of claiming that he cannot beat Ash, when he never lost to him.
Wrong, he just say he really has fun whenever they battle

>A super powerful mon who exists because reasons that only Ash can get because reasons.
Ash-greninja existed before ash, but never was really explained, also the frog is a fucking jobber, never won against Alain.

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>there are grown adults who unironically watch the Pokemon anime

>>31631303
Stay mad slut, you can't stop me
>s-stop making anime threads or I'll cry!
top kek

>>31631335
Serena had a crush because of a fucking summer camp trip literally years ago that he cannot remember and just kinda goes

>Alright I guess you can come along

>>31631252
He's being a turbosperg and says he refuses to do it.

Someone call the tailsposter

OP here
>>31631385
This guy:

>>31631320
>>31631353


He's not me. I wish he would fuck off and die

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>>31631209
>Ash is a gary stu

Except he fucked up a tone of time and lost. Just look at him trying to battle viola or shota or wulfric.

https://youtu.be/_0jcIMd0uls?t=381
https://youtu.be/HYHg-7ohN8E?t=616

It's only logical that an experienced trainer like him win most of the time.

>He never one makes a huge mistake nor does he ever do anything except smile, with the exception of when he lost to Wulfric.

Yea, except you know, when he didn't.

>Everyone that is not Team Flare loves and adores him.

Shouldn't they? He's a guy with a golden moral compass with lots of experience that's a great battler. Having people hate him for absolutely no reason is retarded.

Next time don't spout baseless claims you underage moron.

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>>31631434
Just look at how happy he's here

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>>31631461
or here

>>31631434
I don't want people to hate him. I want there to be people who are not on his cock constantly. Spouting that Ash is so cool all the fucking time.

When it gets to the point where even trainers who are better than him are talking about how amazing he is there is an issue.

>He lost a couple times

Yes, but as you said, he never makes a bad moral decision and wins almost always. That is a gary stu. Have him make mistakes, have him grow, have him develop.

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>>31631434
>b-but he's not THE strongest, so he's not a gary stu!

>>31631461
>>31631496
Try looking a couple of episodes before and after that. One episode in a 3 year long series literally means nothing. That's like saying the bullshit PTSD Kirito had in SAO2 was actually something good.

Honestly, I know retards watch the anime, but to think your standards are this low. It's surprising every time.

>>31631496
>>31631461

I mentioned those times if you actually read the post

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>>31631209
>1: Ash is a gary stu
And yet no one batted an eye when he had this syndrome in DP and to a lesser extent, late AG

People always single out XY for some reason.

Alain is a pretty good character, he's good, REALLY good. But he makes a lot of bad choices and has many issues to work out.

I mean the guy seems to have depression for fuck's sake

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>>31631518
>That is a gary stu. Have him make mistakes, have him grow, have him develop.

Exactly like he did with Greninja? Why do you completely ignore shit? A Gary Stu is somebody that can't do no wrong. Not somebody is huge self doubt over a new power that fucks with his body while also being extremely desperate to win to prove himself to Shota.

>>31631537
>>31631545
He knew when he did a mistake and learned from it. Are you seriously saying he's going to fuck up all the time being depressed over it? With all his experience?

Jesus christ, it's literally

>i-it doesn't count

Faggotry. He had a arch solely based on him having no idea what to do that had a huge build up. That's literally perfect for a character like Ash to show negative emotions.

>>31631559
Because he actually grew to be good those times. Here is he amazing from the very beginning and is having his cock sucked by everyone all the time

>>31631598
>grew to be good those times

So you have no real arguments?

>Here is he amazing from the very beginning and is having his cock sucked by everyone all the time

Why wouldn't he be? He got 5 leagues of experience.

>>31631413
Why didn't you just delete your thread and go to /padt/? That place has been relatively calm lately and you should be able to discuss things fine. I seriously don't understand the need for like 15 threads on the anime to be made every day when /padt/ has been slow as fuck.

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>>31631537
>>31631545
>i-i-it doesn't count! It's just one of the biggest depression archs during the entire series run for Ash

>>31631592
It's not that it doesn't count, rather it meant nothing. He was acting depressed, got over it because bullshit and learned nothing from it.

You know who can write a character being depressed? Literally anyone. Even a fucking 5 year old can direct that shit. It only matters if, well, it matters. It affects him in some way, where he either changes from it or learns something. If you're going to praise a character for acting sad once, then magically be the same, it doesn't fucking matter.

>>31631370
Why wouldn't he, if you're gonna be traveling across a region you might wanna have a lot of company, it's fucking boring to travel alone

>>31631652
>h-he felt a basic human emotion once in 4 fucking years guys! He's not a bad character!

>>31631630
Because I like pissing you off baby
I'm REALLY enjoying your rants

>>31631652
>He was sad once every hundred something episodes
>OMG SUCH DEEP DEVELOPMENT

>>31631660
>>31631684
So you got absolutely literally nothing? You're literally saying it doesn't count because others gets depressed as well. You have literally nothing. Literally the biggest arch of Ash showing actual real negative emotion towards something since Charizard in OS and it doesn't count.

You have lost this argument. You got absolutely nothing. Good night

>>31631690
OP here

Stop posting you faggot

>>31631696
Deepest development in +15 years, but it doesn't count because you say so.

>>31631728
>development
Learn what the word fucking means, you flaming faggot.

>>31631708
Remember when he learned from the Charizard arc? Yeah, remember when he learned from the Wulfric arc which he was just asshurt he didn't win? No? Okay

Also, preemptively claiming you won the argument makes you look like a huge faglord

Not an argument

>Being sad once
>Development

Did he change or learn from it? No? Then how the fuck is it development then?

>>31631719
Real OP here

Stop impersonating me faggot

>>31631743
You literally just threw random headcanons at me while heavily undermining what actually happened. That isn't an argument.

>>31631764
>implying he didn't

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Remember this scene?

There is no way modern XY/SM-era Ash would ever do this because he's been sterilized into positivity to the point where he may as well be a cardboard cutout.

>>31631746
>This is what development is, and why it wasn't development
>LOL U HAVE NO ARGUMENT I WIN

If you really have such low standards that being sad about losing once every 4 years makes you think development is taking place then by god. Watch something good for Christ's sake.

>>31631708
Oh, I admit defeat, then. It was such a novel and brilliant idea. I just fail to recognize it. Sure, everyone feels sad, but it's Ash doing it, and it was executed in such perfect way with such great character moments that it makes it one of the greatest scenes of all time. Oh, if only I wasn't stupid, I'd be able to enjoy the brilliant scene. He was depressed, and then to rise back up, he did something and stopped being despressed, and vowed to do something. Such development. If only I wasn't stupid.

I should go to bed now. This thread is far too advanced for me.

>guy proves OP completely wrong
>OP starts parroting that it doesn't count because he says so while giving no actual legit arguments for himself

This just proves how fucking garbage animeshitters are.

Can XYfags point to a single scene where Ash has been angry that didn't involve the generic Team Rocket or Team Flare nonsense?

I'll wait.

>>31631795
>something good
Don't even have to go that far. Go watch the bottom of the barrel shit like Asterisk Wars and you'll get better characters.

>>31631775
OH NOES NEGATIVE EMOTIONS

SUCH CHARACTER DEVOLOPMENT

>>31631719
This thread is arguably worse than the kind of discussion you'd have in /padt/. Posters there are more likely to be anime veterans who know a lot about it, while lots of people who are posting in this thread end up just being dinosaurs who stopped watching the anime a decade ago, hate anything that isn't OS or AG, and simply don't know what they're talking about.

Shitposting was pretty bad early in the season in /padt/, but it's calmed down a lot lately as more newfags have dropped the show. There are lots of times now when there's good discussion to be had, and right now the discussion in this thread feels like a trainwreck.

>>31631806
He yelled Serena a few episodes after he lost the league, because he was sad. It was a great character moment.

>>31631795
>>31631796
>random insults
>more "it doesn't count"
>sarcastic comments

Not arguments

>>31631820
>OH NOES NEGATIVE EMOTIONS

yes because negative emotions means he's actually capable of feeling realistic emotions instead of just being a smiling guy standing there 99% of the time.

>>31631806
he was sad when he lost once.....

>>31631832
>because he was sad.

yes because he was sad.

Now tell me when it was because he was angry. I'm still waiting.

>>31631775
You mean a scene in a pretty much non canon movie? Yea, sure

>>31631852
Again, he yelled at Serena. That's being angry, the cause of the anger was because Serena acted like she understood Ash's pain.

>>31631833
never once did I insult you there faggot

See, that was an insult.

Also, we did say why we don't think it's development, you know, you could tell us why you did think it was development instead of saying the same thing over and over

>>31631854
The movies are canon.

>>31631872
yeah, once, because he was sad. He wasn't actually angry. His """"anger"""" is literally just one line with slightly raised tone.

Now tell me when he was angry. I'm still waiting. I can probably point to a billion scenes where he's angry in the og series. So why can't XYfags do it? It's almost as if Ash's character has devolved into a cardboard cutout.

>>31631876
I will be very simple for somebody like you.

>he wasn't able to go use Ash-greninja as he wanted because his approach was completely wrong
>he got depressed and had no idea what to do which lead him to find the true approach on how to use Ash-greninja
>he can no use Ash-greninja however he will

Not being able to do something ---> be able to do something is literally what development can be.

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>this fucking thread

>>31631950
>I-it doesn't count!
Fuck you.
I was shitting on Ash pretty had myself, because that anger and sad part was pointless, but it existed. Denying that is something even fucking retards wouldn't do.

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Remember when Ash's Infernape got OHKO by Flint's Infernape using fucking Mach Punch, one of the weakest moves?

Top lel

>>31631824
If it's any consolation, it's that it means less cancer in /padt/ because they're all shitting up side threads like these.

>>31631981
Yes, it doesn't count. Because he wasn't angry. He was sad.

Still waiting for an angry moment.

>>31631950
Another guy shitting on Ash here, the anger existed it was just pointless

>>31632003
/padt/ is a completely unhype shell of it's former self anyway. Any posting is good posting there.

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>>31631806
Off top of my head you've got pic related or the scene where he yelled at some little kids because they didn't want to take Lapras to a Pokemon center and ultimately made them cry.
There's a lot more scenes but really who even notices every time Ash gets mad?

>>31632007
Sadness was the cause, Serena acting pretension was the trigger, and it all lead to anger. If you can't understand basic shit like this, end yourself. This is how humans work.

Or do you want a moment where he was angry for the sake of being angry, since that sounds more realistic to flaming faggots like you?

>>31632036
>and it all lead to anger.
But it wasn't anger. It was just him expressing sadness.

>Or do you want a moment where he was angry for the sake of being angry
No. I want a moment where he was angry for the sake of actually having a character.

>>31632020
>Any posting is good posting there.
Not really. This "discussion" here is a total joke. Just a race to see who can outsperg the other. In /padt/ they talk about old seasons a lot, especially lately, since SM has been so slow.

Even if it's an unhype shell of it's former self, I still go there because it's the only place I can get decent discussion on the anime at least some of the time.

>>31632058
/padt/ would be much better as a weekly thread

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>>31632058
Ah, yes. """""""""Discussion.""""""""""

>>31632070
Maybe, maybe not, but that's not my fault, it became a general when the mods started intervening in 2014.

>>31632081
Nice meme.

>>31632081
perfect

>XYfags using that last minute drama as an excuse for "development," while ignoring that literally nothing else happened throughout the entire series

No, he's still a Gary Stu, because he didn't actually do anything wrong, he just arbitrarily couldn't control the power and then could for no discernible reason. "Muh friendship" is not only the weakest plot device, but it wasn't even properly written since their friendship wasn't even tested. Ash never stopped being friends with frog or anyone else for losing, and same goes for frog.

Being a Gary Stu doesn't mean he never fails, it means he doesn't have any character flaws and is better than everyone for no adequately explored reason, just because.

>This fucking thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5CBhPDQDr4

>>31632081
Hey look! We're not even in /padt/ and it's working!

>>31632181

>>31631986
S-shut up.

>>31632318
ONLY TWO GENDERS JIMBINA

>>31631598
>Because he actually grew to be good those times
And so did XY Ash.
The key difference being XY Ash actually has a personality akin to his AG counterpart.

DP Ash is the battlebot so many people claim XY Ash is.

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Do people unironically think Ash is a good character? Have you never read/watched/played any other works of fiction in your fucking life?

>>31633331
>XY Ash
>personality

>>31631209
>I know this is autistic but fuck it.
>Here are some things that keep me from liking the XY anime

But you already gave us the reason.