>there are people on this board who don't think [SOUND]

>>31583679
Sound sux

>>31583679
Exploud line - [SOUND]
Kriketune line - [BUG / SOUND]
Chimecho line - [PSYCHIC / SOUND]
Seismitoad line - [WATER / SOUND]
Noivern line - [DRAGON / SOUND]

>>31583679
>there are people on this board who think [SOUND] is an element

>>31583774
>People on this board that think fighting, dragon, fairy, psychic, bug, flying and ghost are an element.

>>31583774
>Everything changed when the Normal nation attacked

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it does it?

>>31583679
a new type only because it would fit 17 pokemon, really?

>>31583846
How many did fairy fit again?

>>31583679
Sound is better the way it is now. It's a category of moves, and it should stay that way.

>>31583679
>there are people on this board who don't realize that [SOUND] is just Normal's special attacks

>>31583679
>Yet another "Let's complicate the effectiveness chart even more than it already is for no fucking reason at all!" episode.

>>31583679

>tries to support a new type
>shows off bare minimum amount

Making us Sound-type enthusiasts look bad...

>>31583850
I'm too lazy to count, but theres surely more than that. Besides, they wouldn't change the type of ALL the pokemon in the pic, just like they didn't give some fairy-like pokemon the type

>>31583850
22

>>31583874
So... not that many more then.

>>31583679
>Sound type
You have to be 18 to post here

>>31583679
A friend and I thought that there shouldve been a "Sonic" type released in Gen II.

>>31583886
Nope. Not disagreeing, just staying how many there were.

>>31583846
>implying those are the only ones
The case could easily be made for a bunch of other ones if Mr. Mime was a fairy.
Politoed, Audino, Pyroar, Misdreavus, etc.

If anything, the bigger things are the fact that all except 3-4 sound moves are normal type and can easily be changed to sound type. And there are several types in the game right now in heavy need of balance(who could logically be weak to this type), so adding a new type with a bunch of new moves of that type would be a good thing. In addition to nerfing pixilate hyper voice in the process.

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>>31583897
He will never be canon.

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>>31583907
He literally already is.

>>31583872
They gave fairy to 22 oldmons, OP's image has 14. Of course they could stretch and give it to even more that don't make 100% sense like with Whimsicott and Mr. Mime getting it.

>>31583913
Haha, damn you beat me to it.

>>31583679
>precedence
More like a minuscule gimmick

>>31583679
>fighting type is weak to sound

>Cat type

Strong against:
Flying, Ground, Ghost

Weak to:
Dog, Water, Fire

>Dog type

Strong against:
Cat, Water, Grass, Bug

Weak to:
Steal, Ghost

>>31583679
I wish Sound type was a thing even now, but I even more so if it was a thing instead of fairy type

>>31583679
Sound is unnecessary. Now fuck off with your meme type.

>creating a new type because muh pokemon that would fit it
>not thinking from a balance perspective first
I'm sure if you really gave it an effort you could justify far more types than just sound, but you would also fuck everything up while at it

>>31583679
please explain why Illumise and Volbeat should be Sound type when their theme is light and doing light shows in the sky.

>>31583679
>a new type for 17 pokemon
>when 2 don't fit the criteria at all and 2 are legendaries
>so basicaly a new type for 13 pokemon

Sure thing bud
How about "no"

Don't use Fairy type as your excuse. Fairy type was a fucking mistake and is unbalanced as shit. We need less of that, not more.

>>31583679
Did you seriously not put the Jigglypuff line?

You had ONE FUCKING JOB,OP.

>>31583679
>16/802 pokemon fit the typing
>9 seperate evolution lines

>[SOUND] type has precedence

>>31583860
>the type chart is complicated
>in 2017

>>31584862
Not that I agree with a Sound-type, but you know Gamefreak would absolutely retcon more than just OP's picture to the extent of ridiculousness.

Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Igglybuff (Sound/Fairy)
Misdreavus, Mismagius (Ghost/Sound)
Litleo, Pyroar (Sound/Fire)

Fuck, probably even Audino (to Normal/Sound).

That would bring the number of retyped mons closer to the number retyped with Fairy.

>>31583679

Cosmic/Astral had precedence since Gen I and got something added to it each Gen.

Sound is a property of moves, not a unique element. That's like saying there should be a Contact type, a Non-Contact type, a Physical type, etc.
Besides, while it's easy enough to retype moves like Growl and Hyper Voice, what about more unique moves like Clanging Scales? Would you change it to a Sound type move and make Kommo-o lose STAB on his signature move? Or keep it Dragon, and have an awkward Sound-based non Sound-type move?

>>31584939
>Sound is a property of moves, not a unique element
In Pokemon currently.

I'm sure you can find plenty of games where "sound" is a type.

There's nothing inherently non-type about sound especially with some of the other types pokemon has.

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>>31583824

>Steel Nation

I like it

What do Illumise and Volbeat have to do with sound? And why isn't the Jigglypuff line on there?

>>31584947
it would be "ok" if all sound moves were normal moves
but what would happen to moves like bug buzz?

>>31584947

>I'm sure you can find plenty of games where "sound" is a type

Name one

>>31583679
The worst is when they try and theorize the type matchups and they imagine Sound destroying shit like Rock, Ice and Steel, not thinking about balance at all.

>>31584991
That's obvious, ain't it?

>>31585000
If I name one will you admit that sound can be a type?

>>31585011

Yes

>>31583730
Wouldn't the Noivern line be Sound/Dragon, since it is Flying/Dragon right now

>>31583824
Hidden Sound Village *cough*

>>31585021
http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Element
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Vacation
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/926005-atelier-iris-2-the-azoth-of-destiny/faqs/42676
Ctrl+f "sound"

>>31583679
Sound Type:
2x strength against steel
2x strength against fire
2x strength against ice

1/2 strength against rocks
1/2 strength against ground

>>31583679
Prepare for [SOUND AUTISM] part 1/1470...

Sound

Off:
SE- water, flying, ghost
NVE- steel, rock, grass
X0- electric

Def:
SE- ice, psychic,
NVE- electric, water
X0- sound

>>31585025
>There are currently no known monsters to have this Element and so far has been an exclusive Element for Weapons.
Similar to how sound is exclusive to moves, huh?

>>31585035
Moves:
Clap - physical, 40 BA, no effects.
Pulse - special, 40 BA, no effects.
Sonar - status, all moves used by and against the user have perfect accuracy.
Radioblast - special, 60 BA, hits all adjacent targets.
Tuning fork - status, sharply raises sp-attack and sp-defense until hit. Has lowered priority.
Laughter - status, heals all status ailments, allies gain effect next turn. If user or allies are afflicted with statuses every turn, the effect of laughter will continue until no one is afflicted.
Gigglefit - heals every turn, lowers user's evasion by 1 once.
Hertz locker - special, 95 BA, may confuse foe.
Violent shriek - Physical, 150 BA, causes recoil.
Pulsar - special, 100, Sound version of Outrage.
Whisper - sharply lowers foes attack but also increases their evasion.
Perfect pitch - special, 50 BA, never misses.
Chest beat - physical, 15 BA, attacks 2-5 times.
Bellow - physical, 95 BA, deals special damage.
Sonic slice - special, 70 BA, high critical hit ratio.
Rousing anthem - raises a random stat of all pokemon in play by 1
Remixer - turns battle into inverse battle for 2-5 turns.
Equaliser - special, 65 BA, resets opponents stat changes (low accuracy).
Treble - Sound version of Bulldoze.
Clear throat - Sound version of Charge.
Pained howl - does more damage the more debuffs the user has.
Cough - gives status ailment to target.
Frequency - Sound version of Magnitude.
Scrape - physical, 50 BA, chance to make target flinch.
Thunderous roar - special, 95 BA, has a chance to paralyze
Retconned moves:
Howl
Growl
Sing
Perish song
Sonic boom
Boomburst
Screech
Echoed voice
Roar
Round
Snore
Supersonic
Uproar
Noble roar
Hyper voice
Heal bell

(41 moves total)

>>31584915
>Cosmic/Astral
You mean psychic?

>>31585045
Abilities:
White noise - all Sound moves used by user deal neutral damage.

Sweet talker - all Sound moves have a chance to infatuate opponent.

Fearsome tone - all Sound moves have a chance to switch opponent out.

Operatic - the pokemon with this ability is also Sound type

Retconned pokemon;
Wigglytuff (Sound/Fairy)
Chatot (Sound/Flying)
Exploud
Chimeco (Psychic/Sound)
Meloetta (Sound/Psychic - Fighting)
Noivern (via hidden ability above)
Misdrevous (Ghost/Sound)
Kricketune (Bug/Sound)

Possible retcons;
Wailord (Water/Sound)
Audino ( Normal/Sound)

>>31585040
No, and that's only one of three links. I can find more if I really need to but you already said you would accept it as a type.

One of those links even mentions "sound elementals". In fact I think UO had sound elementals too

>>31585035
>not being super effective against fire

What do you think would happen if you shouted really loud at a fire? And I don't mean normal shouting but shouting so loud you cause sonic booms

>>31583856
>Biting and punching moves being an entirely new type is fine but all the sound-based moves aren't allowed

>>31585057
I'm another anon, bro...

>>31584794
>not thinking from a balance perspective first
Being evil, being REALLY good at fighting, being an insect, and Fairy are already types, why not the concept of sound and music?

>>31585069
Because there has only been one type added for 5 generations, and it was done for balance purposes

>>31584939
Mega Punch, Ice Punch, and Fire Kick exist despite there being "Punch and Kick; The Type".
Boomburst and Echoed Voice would be Sound but Bug Buzz and Clanging Scales will remain their types (also kind of like how Gust is Flying but Twister is Dragon for some reason)

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>there are people on this board who don't think [MUSTACHE] type has precedence

>>31585091
what is mustache super effective against?

>>31585098
low-T type

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>>31585079
>-and it was done for balance purposes
Yeah, poorly, and now its worse than Dragon. They tried to nerf types with a new type, rather than just bolster weaker existing types up.
And thematically Fairy is basically "Psychic but cheeky~". The Tapus and Magearna would've just been part Psychic if Fairy wasn't around.
And if the egg-group argument is brought up, may as well make a Monster type.

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>There are people on this board who don't think that [DOG] type has precedence

>>31585104
what pokemon are low T?

>>31585091
>6 mons
>exclusive to evos
trasherino

>>31585110
Fairy is fairy. It only seems like psychic but cheeky because psychic was a catch all that was slapped onto every legendary just because, them being fairy-like being one of those "just because" reasons

>>31585111
There won't be a [DOG] type because [BIRD] type was already scrapped and that would basically be the same thing

>>31585111
>>31585091
>>31584380
>If I come up with retarded types, that'll crush the legitimacy of Sound type!
Imagine if Bug type never existed and someone tried to sell it here. Shit, imagine trying to convince people of "Dark" type ("basically they're assholes, but so much so its a type"

>>31585059
I originally had it being SE against Fire, actually, but I felt it was getting too strong offensively, plus Fire has a pretty hectic and crowded type chart as it is.

>>31585128
>There won't be a [BUG] type because [BIRD] was already scrapped and that would basically be the same thing

>>31585142
You've got a point.

So if personalities, species, and skills can be types, why not Sound?

>>31585130
>Shit, imagine trying to convince people of "Dark" type
Le edgy XDDD

>>31585114
Fairies, mostly

>>31585128

>There won't be a [DRAGON] type because [BIRD] type was already scrapped and that would basically be the same thing

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>There are people on /vp/ RIGHT NOW who UNIRONICALLY don't think that there is a STRONG precendent for the [MANLET] type

>>31585157
How can a Gardevoir be a manlet when that's the perfect height for a girl(male)

>>31585110
Adding a new type in attempt to balance things is better than just tweaking old things because it actually gives people something be interested in and excited about. It's actually a new aspect to the game instead of maybe "X now isn't super effective against Y"

It's not my problem if they fucked up and made it too good

>>31585157
>>31585130
It's no wonder no one here is a game designer.

>>31585053
>sound
you mean normal?

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>there are people on this board who don't think [FAGGOT] type has precedence

Can anyone come up with a type that:
>isn't sound
>isn't a joke type
>has many potential pokemon
>has many potential moves

>>31585172
>male salandit not being faggot/cuck

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>You don't think there should be a [STRONG] type?
>Pssh, I bet you're not even a game designer, kiddo

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>>31585149
>"Why is Tyranitar now part Dark?"
>"Cause its a brutal and destructive pokemon"
>"That makes so sense, edglelord, why not make Mewtwo or Primeape part Dark?"

>>31585168
I wish someone here was because they could give GF some common sense

I swear they just need a common sense employee who they can consult when they get the bright idea of removing entirely good features that don't really cost anything to add

>>31585185
cosmic is one that's brought up often

>>31585199
>vileplume
>literally evil even in the name
>not part dark

>>31585167
Fix the crap types first, then introduce a new type when the type chart isn't a lopsided mess. If Gen 5 buffed the crap types, Fairy may have been more welcomed.

>>31585199
>Why is bite Dark?
>Because biting is a bad thing to do.
>Why not Low Kick? Hell, why not any move? Fighting is bad.

>>31585172
>Those 4 were Fairy type
makes ya fink

>>31585192
>Fighting type

>>31585185
I remember having a thread about a "Synthetic" type. Basically covering artificial and man-made mons.
>Weak to Ice, Electric, and Fire
>Resists Fairy and Poison
>SE towards Fairy and Ground
>NVE towards Steel and Electric
The potential when it comes to moves is that they'd be unnaturally strong, human like even.

But I'm just echoing.

>>31585219
>Literally 3 fighting types in that list
Clearly, you lack the intelligence to understand the importance of introducing the [STRONG] type. If only Game Freak would hire me to fix their games - they would sell much better with new good ideas like mine!

>>31585222
Doesn't Steel/Rock kinda cover that?

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>there are people on this board who don't think [JEW] type has precedence

>>31585172
What about male Mawiles?

>>31585254
Rock is natural
Steel could fit the bill but the significance changed too much during the games and now any kind of shithead can be part steel regardless if its man-made or not

synthetic would cover other non-steel pokemon like mewtwo and porygon too

>>31585185
Cosmic is literally a power source for Psychic types, so I wont do that.

How about ??? type
>Dual type ??? mon's have the type matchup of their non ??? type reversed, e.g. Bug/??? resists Fire and Rock but is weak to Ground
>Pure ??? mons have no matchups at all, completely neutral
>All ??? mons get type-changing moves like Camouflage, so they can become dual type
>??? moves are usually weak in power but loaded up on additional effects, like lowering Defence AND causing confusion but 85 Acc and 50 BP
>??? moves calculate effectiveness based on reversing the secondary typing's matchups, e.g. Bubble used by a Water/??? is SE against Grass but resisted by Fire
>Visually, ??? pokemon look like the opposite or their secondary type in some way, e.g Fire/??? mon has gree flames that burn downwards, Ice/??? mons have black ice that seems to radiate heat, Electric/??? mons have very slowly arcs of dark grey lightning arcing off their antennae

??? mons would mostly resemble Cryptids and usually require a more complicated way to acquire them, like Spiritomb or opening ruins Regi style.

>>31585259
forgot donphan

Sun would be the Jew Gym Leader

>>31585259
weak to poison and fire, strong against ghost

>>31585282
>??? mons would mostly resemble Cryptids
UB: the type

>>31585222
Wait, I knew I forgot something, it was weak to ghost instead of electric. And NVE towards Ice.

So it buffs Ice and Ghost while nerfing Fairy.

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>>31585305
But UBs are UBs, not pokemon
??? could be introduced in the games with the excuse of "pokemon mutated by UB wormhole radiation"

>>31585192
>buzzwole not on the list

>>31585315
UB's are basically pokemon, there's even a pokemon that exists that's basically an ultrabeast but it's been on Earth so long they forgot if it was an ultra beast or not so just call it a pokemon

>>31585314
Man-made could be the best way to introduce a type this late without it stepping on the toes of any other "natural" type.
I honestly wouldn't mind this so much.
But only if Synthetic pokemon aren't wild and must be obtained, like Porygon

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>>31585282
>Pure ??? mons have no matchups at all, completely neutral
This is never a good idea.
The reason why Dragon has always been such a good type is because Outrage was a win button after taking out Steel types, and now is a win button after taking out steel/fairy. It hits nearly nothing for SE, but it doesn't have to once you DDance a couple of times because almost nothing resists it.
>Pass a SD to a Scarfed ??? type
>Sweep with a decently-strong ??? type move because nothing can survive one hit
>Never need to use a different move because nothing will ever wall you
>Not weak to any priority so can't be rk'd

>>31585056
don't forget politoed

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>>31585327
Hey, I was asked to come up with a new type so I tried GOSH
(UBs should be part ??? in that case, the fact they're normal pokemon types was kind of shit and we all bemoaned it here for a while.)

I once had a dream that the final legendary of a game was essentially either a not fully evolved human or the next stage of human evolution, like the guys from metro

It was similar to mewtwo

Humans are pokemon, so why not make catchable humans as a ??? type?

I would like to breed them too

>>31585334
>??? moves are usually weak in power but loaded up on additional effects, like lowering Defence AND causing confusion but 85 Acc and 50 BP
It wouldn't be worth running low BP, low Acc moves just for neutral damage.
Speaking of which, forgot to mention only ??? mons get ??? moves.

>>31585110
magearna would have been pure steel and the tapu electric/flying, psychic/bug, grass/fighting and water/ghost

>>31585330
>But only if Synthetic pokemon aren't wild
Or you could have them all in a place, like a lab where they escaped or something
But otherwise yeah, only used by enemies or bought in casinos and shit

Would be cool

And gamefreak hates cool things so its never happening

>>31585334
>Soak/Trick-or-Treat/Forest Curse the ??? mon
>??? moves now have exploitable matchups

>>31585334
>120 move coming of huge offensives
We don't know if ??? mons would be that strong, but the original post said ??? moves weren't offensively that strong anyway, they're more useful for the secondary effects.

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>>31585358
>Sure, the type itself is overpowered, but we'll just make all the moves that we ever introduce for the type shitty to compensate

NOT

>>31585370
>Send in mon
>Get hit down to Sash
>Use Soak
>Die
>Bring in your mon with a priority move which hits Water types for SE like...

>Literally need Sash Trevenant on every team to sacrifice itself in order to ADD a typing to a ???-type in order to hit it SE with Sucker Punch/Shadow Sneak

AN

>>31585375
>Sure, the typing itself is overpowered, but all of the mons ever introduced with the typing will suck anyway

ARGUMENT

>>31583679
I don't think those are enough pokemon to justify a new type.

>>31585391
ONE

DOLLAR

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>>31585369
Would Porygon be Synthetic, or Synthetic Normal?
Or an Alolan form thats Synthetic/Normal because its a Porygon downloaded into a iPod like body.

>>31585391
>Everyone needed a shitmon with a shit move just to remove hazards for years
Also reminder that /vp/ has always been wrong when predicting meta.

>>31583804
I agree and disagree with you both.
Types =/= Elements
Thus both of you are retarded.

Types are based on several aspects of an ideology. Fire isn't just literally combustion, it's heat energy, combustion, nuclear, burning in some form. While that's usually a typical element, Fighting isn't based on the same principals such as a specific special energy or mass. It's based on technique, precision, pressure (literally pin-point critical hit type pressure). Mansplained for anon 1, but the reason why anon 2 is retarded is because of this: Air type.

>inb4 FLYING IS AIR

No, it's not. It includes it in its ideology in terms of offense but not at all in terms of defense. If you're going to push sound type, please do so AFTER air/wind type has been implemented. Sorry but it takes priority.

>>31584380
Cat type should be SE against electric because of the pikaclones and dog type should be super effective against rock and ground because fossils are rocks and bones are ground

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>>31585391
>??? mon can't SE anything unless it adds a type, thus gaining weaknesses, and all its ??? STAB moves are under 70 bp with ass accuracy
Sounds alright to me. You seem unusually flustered by this made up type.

The type chart is a bad idea to begin with because it's arbitrary and you have to have typings that make "sense".

Every pokemon should be assigned a number based on their pokedex number, perhaps mod 10. So you have 10 types. Then the type chart can be completely uniform, with for example 0 being super effective against 1, 1 being super effective against 2 and so on or something along those lines.

Basically all you have to do is take the offense/defense of one type and apply that by a bit shift to all other types. Bingo, you have complete balance and you don't have people complaining that some matchup doesn't make sense, because 0 being super effective against 1 makes just as much sense as 5 against 10.

All these balance problems come from the fact that people think about what makes sense in a vague fuzzy logic sense instead of just implementing something that works.

>>31584380
Dog too OP

also dogs are scared shitless of thunders so make them weak to electric

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Friendly reminder that age is just a number and sound shouldn't just be a move mechanic

>>31585035
If sound can't hurt it, then it can't hurt sound. Why is sound not listed as X0 on Offense as well?

Oversight.

>>31585564
IT ALL COMES TOGETHER

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>>31585572
SHIT

>>31583679
Sound is a classificstion of moves, not an elemental type. It interacts with abilties (like punch and bullet moves do), not other types.

/thread

>>31585605
>repeats something someone said halfway through the thread
>thinks he ended the thread

>>31585605
>/threading your own post
Thats already bad but worse is not reading the rest of thread for the counter-arguments
>Fighting is a classificstion of moves, not an elemental type. It interacts with abilties (like sound and wind moves do), not other types.

>>31585643
Thats not a counter argument though, Fighting is an elemental type that interacts with other elemental types. Sound is not.

>>31585352
>Humans are pokemon

no

>>31585699
Pls be bait.
The element of punching things is only so, because gf said so.
Sound has exactly the same legitimacy as Electric.
Both are based off of wavelengths: kinetic and electromagnetic
Where there is lightning, there is thunder.
Normal types actually get Thunder moves MORE than they get Hyper voice
Even in later gens.

Someone /thread me

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>>31583679
>there are people on this board who don't think [SOUND] type has precedence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9Z2ncRarc

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>>31585699
I'm being rused, but I can't help but reply

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>>31585760
/thread

>>31585760
>>31585774
The thing your respective autisms don't understand is that Sound already has a place in Pokemon, and its not as an elemental type. To you that may seem arbitrary, but Sound moves have been their own thing since Gen 3 and thats not changing anytime soon. So fuck off with these threads, there will never be a Sound elemental type in Pokemon because it already exists as a move property.

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>>31585835
Have you just blitzed to the bottom and not read the non-shitpost parts of the thread? We're arguing that Sound has enough presence and credibility to become a type, especially when you consider types like Dark, Fighting, and Bug exist.
Actually just read the thread ffs nigga

>>31583860
Fairies could get bent

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>>31585835
Could you justify Fighting and Dark being whole types rather than attributes? I'm interested to see how people who argue against Sound feel about these types.

>>31585130

Mad because your sound type is retarded. Classic.

>>31583679
Try to atleast find 1 acceptable pokemon from each gen, then we'll talk

>>31585857
Sound type already exists in Pokemon, just not as an elemental type. What your arguments boil down to is an unnecessary retcon of the existing Sound type into an elemental type, just so a handful of Pokemon can get a new type that makes less sense than the typing they already have.

>>31585882
Why? Fighting and Dark are canon elemental types, Sound is a canon move subtype.

>>31585905
You mean like fairy?

>>31585516
If they're scared of thinder then they should be weak to sound type

Also #notalldogs

>>31585899
>Jigglypuff line
>Misdreavus line
>Chimecho line
>Kricketune line
>Meloetta, Audino if you don't want legendaries
>Pyroar line
>Toucannon line Primarino too, honestly. Kommo-o as well, why the fuck is it Fighting?
Thats at least 1 from each gen

>>31585259
You forgot Golurk

>>31585915
So no reason for them to exist either, got it
>>31585905
>Still calling pokemon types Elements
>>31585917
Exactly
>if its canon it makes perfect sense no matter what

>>31585917
Fairy existed as an egg group, thats not the same as a move type.

>>31585968
They are called Elemental Types, anon.

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>>31585958
>anon takes time to create shitpost images but forgets the one legitimately Jewish pokemon on his Jew type pic

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>>31585979
I didn't realise being a bug, being able to fly, or just being mean were elements like fire, water, and electricity.

>>31586009
I didnt realize being loud was an element like fire, water, and electricity

>>31585172
kek

>>31586009
Thats not an argument.

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>>31586017
I didn't realise pokemon types were pure elements as opposed to attributes of the pokemon and moves themselves.

>>31586028
How so?

Why is a bat Dragon type?

>>31586049
Because within the context of Pokemon, those are all elemental types. Sound is not an elemental type in Pokemon.

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>pic related is a jerk but good at fighting
>those traits supposedly manifest into a pure element and that defines it
I dun gettit, you anti-Sound anons aren't making any sense.

>>31586061
A Pokemon doesn't need to be a literal dragon to have the Dragon type.

>>31586095
Fighting and Dark are elemental types, Sound isn't. Its that simple.

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>>31586077
>Because within the context of Pokemon, those are all elemental types
But how? Why? Where is the source for this? Its not just your headcanon, is it?

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>>31586114
What?

>>31586135
>>31586143
Its literal canon.

>>31585564
what's your username on their forum?

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>>31586196
source?

>>31586204
>source for a thing that's literally in the game

wanna know how I know you're fat?

>>31586196
It's literal canon NOW. And that can change at any time.

Clefary was always normal. That was canon. Then it suddenly became weak to steel, even though it had never been before that point.

Did people just not notice it was weak to steel? No, if you go back and measure it mysteriously doesn't take as much damage from steel as it does now.

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>>31586231
>no source
>resorting to insults

>>31586135
Hw thinks that because sound is a canon move subtype, it cant also be made into a pokemon type. But that's bollocks tbqh

>>31586278
games are the source you literal retard lmao

>>31586250
did you miss the part where gen 6 onwards takes place in a different universe to gen 1-5? that explains clefairy. you could use this to suggest another universe where sound exists, but no one wants more alter universes already.

>>31586288
Did you miss the part where gen 8 onwards takes place in a different universe from 1-7? That explains Loudred. You could use this to suggest another universe where Synthetic exists, but no one wants more alter universes already.

>>31586299
except 'sound' is your asperger fantasy, while fairy type exists you nigger faggot

>>31586288
now explain how magnemite became weak to fire even though there were no universes introduced

>>31586280
Fucking this. Punching and Kicking are both a type and subtype (Karate Chop, Fire Kick, Hi Jump Kick, Mega Punch etc)

>>31586311
shut up

>>31586299
you know if you're resorting to mimicry it says a lot. also like i said in the post, no one wants more alternate universes already especially game freak. so keep on wishing.

>>31586311
yeah because the start of the franchise and its intended sequel is a really good indication isn't it. there wasn't eggs in gen 1 either you know, but suddenly in 2 they were there.

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>>31586309
>"hey wouldn't it be cool if Sound was expanded upon? It has plenty of appearance in the games already. Lets hypothetically try to flesh it out for a laff"
>"You're mentally deficient and GameFreak will NEVER use your idea, you scum!"
Cool your boots, buddy

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>>31586343
>GF has to restart the entire pokemon universe to introduce a new type
Look, just cause they -did-, doesn't mean they have to from now on. Steel and Dark were in the same universe and gen1 and they made no efforts to explain their sudden inclusion.

>>31586343
Now explain the slight tweak to the type chart in games well after gen 2 that take place without shifting universes

Here's a tip for you: you can't change the fact that 1+1 is 2 by saying "I know you'll try to say 1+1 = 2 but I don't agree"

If your own argument can be used against you then it's because your own argument was actually an argument for the other side, and actually disproves your position.

>>31586360
yeah back in gen 2 they didn't bother because it didn't matter. the franchise was 2 years old and really had no history. now they have 20 years of it AND with the latest type they added in fairy they clearly felt there had to be an explanation for it. same with megas appearing out of the blue. they obviously consider that they have to, even if you don't numbnuts.

In gen 2, NPCs talk about Dark and Steel being "newly discovered" types.

Do they attempt to explain why Magnemite's type chart suddenly changed entirely, even though it should have always been the same regardless of "discovery'? Do they attempt to explain why moves changed type?

No, they just do it. Because they can do whatever they like and whatever they say goes is canon. And then after deciding what they like, they cover it up with a quick explanation that doesn't really make sense but is better than nothing.

Current canon doesn't dictate future canon. Future canon dictates past canon.

>>31586250
Sound already has too much type overlap; the moves that are already Sound type either have an elemental type, or are Normal type, which is entirely fitting since making sound is something literally every Pokemon can already do.

>>31586399
But Sound type is already canon. Just not as an elemental type. Because that would be dumb.

>>31586401
Shit, I guess its not like we could ever make new Sound moves or something
>>31585045
Whenever people argue against Sound, just make sure your argument can't be applied also to Fighting or Dark.

>>31586401
Fighting is something literally every pokemon can already do.

Why isn't pikachu fighting when it has hands to punch and legs to kick? It can learn karate if it wants to.

>>31586372
there was no type chart tweaks after gen 2 until fairy which has been explained. instead of trying to sound smart by going off on some tangent trying to be patronizing come up with a good counter argument instead.

>>31586411
It's dumb for bug, fighting and flying to be "elemental" types and yet they are.

>>31586419
Exactly
>Kangaskhan can learn Mega Punch
>Neither it nor Mega Punch are Fighting type

>>31583824
fucking normies get out of our nation

>>31586281
I agree with you but you are somewhat irrational because of the ad homs

>>31586428
You're the one who can't explain the magnemite thing except by "b-but that was the second generation so they don't need to explain anything" and the one whose own argument can be used against him but tries to prevent it by saying "b-but you can't say that because I wouldn't like it".

It's your own problem if you look like an idiot. You should be condescended to because your argument is bad.

Over time GF is probably going to need to come up with more and more alternate universes, or at least fans will need to come up with them to explain discrepancies like why character Wally hasn't aged.

Current canon doesn't dictate future canon. It's as simple as that. GF will likely tweak the type chart in future and they won't necessarily introduce alternate universes when they do, but if they do, that would be a perfectly good reason for sound.

Your argument is essentially "there are already enough types". Which is different from the autism cover "it's not canon" which you're trying to use but failing to because it doesn't stand up to criticism

>>31586434
Nice opinion. Heres a fact: Sound type will never be an elemental type.

>>31586478
Of course it wont.
It could be a pokemon type, though.

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>>31585835
>The thing your respective autisms don't understand is that Fairy already has a place in Pokemon, and its not as an elemental type. To you that may seem arbitrary, but Cute Pokémon have been their own thing since Gen 1 and thats not changing anytime soon. So fuck off with these threads, there will never be a Fairy elemental type in Pokemon because it already exists as a move property.

>>31586434

Flying is Pokemon's Wind element, how is it dumb?

Forget the type chart, moves change power all the time. Why? Because we moved into a different universe? Because Pokemon got together and decided to use the move better? Because the move got refined and all the pokemon found out about it, including the ones freshly transferred from a previous generation?

>b-but you can't counter my argument because that's unfair

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>>31583679
full list
stab ability like dhelmise for primarina

Literally every change to a pokemon's level up moveset, its base stats, its move's powers, its typing, its ability, all of these simply cannot be explained unless they introduced multiple universes.

And that's why sound isn't canon.

>>31586481
Thats the exact same thing, retard.

>>31586483
Except Fairy was never a property of a move...

>>31586465
you seem real buttmad dude, so let me show you this >>31586392 post. there is a big difference in gen 2's type change and gen 6's and beyond. if your brain cannot understand why the two situations are different then that's not problem buddy. but retconning years of games and history is different to just one gen with no history.

>Your argument is essentially "there are already enough types"

no it's not. you're now just reading into my posts rather than what i'm actually saying. all my posts have been about the different universe explanation for fairy and not once about the number of types. once again you're trying to be smarter than you actually are.

remember when people thought sylveon would be bug

>>31586520
I'm smarter than you and that's enough

>>31583679
More than fairy
But really the original 17 types -dark would be fine

>>31585564
>love type
fucking what

>>31586504
>Bug is an element
>Having wings is an element
lol what

Friendly reminder that the real reason for parallel universes was mega evolutions and not the fairy type, and that the explanation was only introduced in ORAS, long after XY had already introduced both without bothering to explain anything at all.

Which means that they didn't actually feel it necessary, because if they did they led a gap of years leaving something that should be necessarily explained unexplained.

>>31586538
if you have to resort to mimicry, stuttering, misreprensetation of someone's arguments and failed attempts at being patronizing then no. you're probably one of the biggest retards on here because at least other anons can pull that stuff off unlike you.

>>31586549
>arguing with canon

Again, you're a literal retard.

>>31586578
You call using your own argument that counters your own point "mimicry". You say I'm "misrepresenting" when really I'm telling you that you're putting up a front of an argument that doesn't work because what you really want to say is that you don't want more types. You're the one being dishonest, I'm just asking you to be but you're refusing to.

And the fact that you didn't like that you got shown to be an idiot using bad arguments doesn't mean I "failed" at anything.

Now that you've called me a retard how about you try to explain
>>31586487
>>31586501
>>31586574
Which were all my posts. You insufferable faggot.

>>31586514
Sorry for not editing that last part to fit my argument.
Let's see how many Pokémon completely lost their typing to become fairy:
Snubull line, Cleffa line, Togepi line
8 Pokémon out of the 23 previously released Pokémon to receive the type. Over one third of all the retcons ONLY have that typing instead of Normal.
How many Moves were retconned to fairy?
3.
All of which from THE SAME GENERATION.
Every other move was created to fit the new typing. well over 75%.

Sound has BOTH of these already existing: Mons that could easily drop Normal or another type for Sound, and plenty of moves that could be Sound type over normal.
There is no argument to be had.
Even if they didn't, they have made new moves and mons to make it reality.
There's no argument to be had.
Stop spouting muh patterns when every one has been broken.

>>31586610

>>31586487
>>31586501
>>31586574
>Which were all my posts. You insufferable faggot.
ugh fuck, I'm not the anon you're talking to but you've made some of the shittest posts in this thread.
There is no way there should be this amount of stubbornness and vitriol for a hypothetical new pokemon type, especially when shit like Cosmic gets praised all the time despite ts supporters never defining it or coming up with new moves, just cannibalising Psychic type stuff.

You should try to grasp the fact that functionality comes first and canon comes second. "Multiple universes" was a patch-up explanation that came well after the fact and is only a convenient thing to tie in to explaining why everything is radically different.

It doesn't explain
>schizphrenic moves which change power every generation
>physical/special split
>characters who mysteriously don't age while others do despite supposedly being from the same universe
>level up move changes
>ability changes
>base stat changes
>HM to TM changes
>field move changes
And guess what? They don't need to be explained. They can be explained in an off-handed after-the-fact manner if they really want to, but most things won't be.

Game freak will add another type if they want to and they won't if they don't want to. In-universe explanations, if any are given, come second. That sound type isn't "canon" now means nothing.

>>31586638
But what about the obvious Sound moves that could not become Sound type? Face it, Sound will always be a suptype of moves, and not its own type. This ahit is dumber than Cosmic type.

>>31586660
>ugh fuck, I'm not the anon you're talking to but you've made some of the shittest posts in this thread.
if he doesn't want to make me mad then he shouldn't behave like a faggot saying "hey stop being patronizing and failing because I'm winning this argument and you're failing and losing"

the "canon" argument is stupid. and I don't even want a sound type.

>>31586664
But Sound type is canon; just as a move type, not a Pokemon type. It makes as much sense as adding a Bullet type, desu.

>>31586668
You mean Bug Buzz and stuff?
What about Ice Punch or Fire Kick? What about Mega Punch? What about Crunch and Poison Fang? What about Hurricane and Twister?
Bugs always gonna be a weird type, with stuff like Megahorn being Bug but Horn attack not, so in some cases a type will overlay a base type, something like High Horsepower being a kick but Ground type overlain.
Bug Buss would be Bug cause its more about being made from Bug anatomy, whereas Echoed Voice is pure Sound.

>>31586693
Details.

The fact that it's a move type and not a pokemon type or whatever you want to call it is canon now, the fact that it's a pokemon type and a move type could be canon tomorrow.

>>31585222
>>31585314
So, how does everyone rate this idea?

>>31585172
the best type

>>31586714
Damage based Sound moves work fine as Normal type though.

>>31586716
'Could be' isnt 'will be', thats not an argument.

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>>31586692
So you're more concerned about your feelings than the actual conversation?

Putting your personal matters aside, Is it really so hard to see the notion that Sound would be a passable type, especially in the presence of species types like Bug, or concept types like Dark, or ones completely out of nowhere like Fairy? That with both Mega Kick and Triple Kick existing, its really unthinkable that Echoed Voice and Hyper Voice could be their own thing alongside Bug Buzz?

>>31586743
"Could be" counters the argument of "it isn't the case now so it will never be the case" which is what the canon argument is.

>>31586693
Then can we agree Fighting type is pointless, too? Punching and Kicking are properties of moves, like Mega Kick and Ice Punch, why the fuck is there a whole type for these subtypes?

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This entire thread is the reason why I'm glad none of you faggots will ever work at GF or any development team. It would all be a jumble of a mess.

>>31586743
And physical Fighting moves might as well be Normal. Special Fighting moves might as well be Psychic.

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>>31583679
>Forget about me?

>>31586749
Sound is canon though, and not as an elemental type. You need to show that Sound type should be an elemental type, which you've failed to do.

>>31586769
Because there are Fighting type moves that aren't punches and kicks? Your argument is redundant with something that already exists in game, theres no need for Sound type pokemon.

>>31586748
>So you're more concerned about your feelings than the actual conversation?
no, if someone disrespects me then I'll disrespect them and if they continue to disrespect me then I'll disrespect them even more and might come off as an ass to other people while doing it

if someone wants to argue then they should actually counter arguments, not hand wave arguments because they don't like them on account of them being "mimicry" or something and start saying stuff like "stop trying to be smart you're not smart I'm winning"

mysteriously the guy I'm arguing with is now gone after I pointed him to several of my arguments, I wonder why.

>Is it really so hard to see the notion that Sound would be a passable type
No, and I was arguing that sound would be a plausible type

>>>>31586787
epin.

>>31586782
Fighting type is the hero type, anon. Learn some basic moon.

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>>31586776
we'd only need 1 guy working for them, and preferably not one of those "muh patterns" fags. Its basically ITT getting down to
>nope they're not attributes they're ELEMENTS cause I say so
>nope Sound is an attribute, like punching, so it can't be a type, like Fighting
>you're being mean to me so you're wrong
>just UGH stop using my argument against me with an example that negates my reasoning, thats stupid you *expletive of choice*

I want someone to start this thread again but with Cosmic instead, just to see how people feel about another of /vp/'s favourite never-ever types.

>>31586801
Thanks for proving once and for all you literally have no argument as to why there should be a Sound elemental type.

/thread

>>31586832
I actually didn't want to prove sound should be a type, I saw people using the "sound is canon not a type" argument and rightfully pointed out that it was retarded

even if an argument is for the right side it can still be a bad argument

>>31586799
>Multiple pokemon rely on sound for attacks
>Multiple pokemon's concepts are based entirely around sound or music
>Exploud fucking exists
>"nah no pokemon needs to be Sound"
>every pokemon fights
>Fighting type is okay
Your argument is so damn weak its bananas

>>31585428
Wouldn't make sense to add in a type with literally the exact same offensive capabilities as another one though

>>31586845
False equivalence

>>31586843
It is canonically a subtype.

>>31586816
I didn't realise Primeape is a hero
>>31586801
Then be the bigger man you fag and just calmly type out your reasoning, fuck, this isn't a live forum you don't need to reply back immediately in anger.
This is beyond baffling.

>>31586856
why not? theoretically there could be two types with the same offensive capabilities but completely different defensive ones

>>31586879
Again, not an argument.

I think it's time to bust up the types and really go to town.

New Types: Beast, Fighting, Air, Poison, Earth, Rock, Bug, Ghost, Metal, Artificial, Ancient, Bird, Sound. Fire, Water, Grass, Electric, Mystic, Ice, Dragon, Evil, Fairy, Time, Dark, Light, Cosmic.

Go through the dex and rip everything up.

>>31586885
Too be fair, this is kinda the case for Ground and Rock.

>>31586900
Just make a completely new game then.

>>31586899
How so?

>>31586879
>Then be the bigger man you fag and just calmly type out your reasoning,
this if 4chan, I won't turn the cheek for someone the other time when they're clearly disrespecting me and clearly wrong but stubbornly believe they're right

it's not like I have a reputation to preserve

>>31586910
No you

>>31586912
>hurr this pokemon doesn't perfectly align with its typing
>this actuay has nothing to do with there not being a Sound type, but I need a retarded deflection so he doesn't realise I don't have an argument.

>>31586924
Okay, want to help me though? It was your idea after all.

>>31586942
I doubt primate is the only only one that doesn't fit your "hero" type.

Fighting type is fighting type. Pokemon that fight like humans get the fighting type. The type doesn't really make sense because any pokemon could do this because of the level of intelligence many of them have, but it's a type all the same.

>>31585091
(you)

>>31586914
You may not have a reputation to preserve but you are shitting up the conversation

>>31586952
Again, learn to moon.

>>31586970
To be fair, it was a shit conversation to begin with.

>>31586943
Sure. You do the coding and art. I'll think of some more ideas and write the story.

>>31586975
you mean japanese? I play pokemon in japanese. my sun save is in japanese, as is my oras save is in japanese.

what that's only known in japanese makes fighting the hero type? because the type is "kakutou" which is basically grappling/fighting

>>31586816
No, it isn't. It's the "Fight" type.

It's about being brawny and muscle bound.

Poliwrath is a super strong swimmer. Primeape is fueled by autistic rage, Machamp is literally made out of pure muscle, the Hitmons are fighting styles, and... Thats literally it. Thats every single fighting type from gen1.

And then you have:
>Martial arts monk weasel
>Construction workers
>thug wannabe
>sumo wrestler
>cock fighting
>boxing kangaroo
>beetle fighting
>nigger lizard
>Cuddly Ultra Death
>My Strongest Physical STAB is Sky Uppercut
>Literally made of Muscles: Im technically a girl (From a parallel dimension)
>I have no idea why this fucking thing is a fighting type

There are heroic fighting types, but then there are heroic Steel types. And a lot of heroic grass types.

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>>31586992
Its bizarre how it always turns out the same with Sound type threads. You get a few people who try to see how much stuff they can come up for to make Sound a full type, you know, for fun, and then you get others who adamantly attempt to stop all talk about it every time.
Like, every Sound thread.
It also doesn't help that anti-Sound anons always have the weakest arguments, and whenever other types and their looseness or contradictions are brought up, you get constant "no u"s.

I don't get it, whats the harm in conceptualising a new type?

>>31587062
Because its not a new type, its an existing sub type that makes as much sense as a bullet type.

>>31587025
>>31587039
It was literally confirmed to be the hero type, which is why it beats dark and also why there will never be a light type.

>>31587077
Fighting makes as much sense as a bullet type and yet it's a type. Fighting is a property of moves because the act of fighting is using fighting techniques which are fighting moves

Theoretically, any pokemon that has the limbs necessary and intelligence necessary to fight like a human should be a fighting type. And yet they aren't.

"Bug" also doesn't make sense as a type in a different way, because if "bug" is a type, why not "mammal" or "bird" or "fish"? Fish have to be water type, and in that case, bugs should instead be grass or ground type.

There are enough pokemon that are sound themed and enough moves that are sound themed and that's already plenty to turn it into a type

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>>31587039
>>31586975
>>31586816
Okay.

>かくとうタイプ
>>Wrestle type

Literally Lucario and Infernape are your only proofs but guess what, they didnt come out until generation 4.
Might as well call Psychic the "sexy waifu" type because of Gardevoir and Gothitelle.

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>>31587077
>>31586693
>>31585605
You the fag who tried to /thread himself?
Already trying to shut down conversation again as well; no ones saying its a new type, we're trying to come up with ideas on how it COULD be a proper type. What is your personal beef with all this?

>>31587086
if it was confirmed then link to it instead of just saying it was

>>31587112
>he seriously thinks physic isn't the sexy waifu type

>>31587120
I think he's just trolling considering only ever posts one line with slight variations

he probably has no particular beef with sound type at all and in fact loves sound type but just loves trolling more

>>31587111
Again, not an argument.

fighting type is gen1 okay and too far gone. if it hadnt have existed as a type, believe me it wouldnt be implented presently cuz its silly

as for sound sure its a cool idea, but i i just dont feel like a new type needs to be added any time soon

>>31587112
is that literally all the fighting types in the game?

>>31587120
Its a shit idea, thats all.

>>31587145
Thanks for all your hard work, please find attached my 1 dollar donation

>>31587168
Still not an argument.

>>31587149
All the mono fighting types yes and none of them are remotely heroic. Riolu is just a baby that can sense emotions and gives off a magical embodiment of its own

>>31583679
But that wouldn´t make any sense, because more than 90% of all pokémon can learn growl, so they should all become sound type...

Why don´t add all 7 senses, instead of just sound.

I still hate this idea and wasn´t happy about complicating pokémon with the fairy type, because now I still remember wekness/strength of old games...

>>31587210
This is a circlejerk, just ignore this threads existence.

>>31587210
99% of pokemon can learn toxic, why not make them all poison?

99% can learn double team, so if they're not at least a certain speed, they should be psychic because how else could they make copies?

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>>31587210
tfw there is actually precedent for taste type

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>>31587225
Pretty much.
>>31585035, >>31585045, and >>31585056 were the best we could've hoped for for a decent conceptualising/legitimising of Sound type tbph

>>31587241
Theres a 'precedent' for every type imaginable, that doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

>>31583679
Why not leave it at sound based moves and abilities? GF even acknowledged them in Gen6 with the ability to bypass Substitute. Sub got nerfed hard last gen.

>>31587246
No one cares.

>hyper voice now can't be used with special snowflakeify
nah

>>31587266
Just ignore this thread. These are people who apparently hate Pokemon and think that because other types are seemingly arbitrary, that there should be even more pointless and arbitrary types.

>>31587299
This. Sound type advocacy is essentially Pokemon hate. It is also misogyny

>>31587299
/thread

>>31585464
autism

>>31585185
fungus desu
>beats grass, ghost, dark
>weak to ice, bug, ground, maybe rock
>retcon paras, shroomish, foongus etc.

[SPACE] type is more convincent

Beheyeem, Deoxys, Claydol, Baltoy, Solrock, Lunatone, Cleffa, Clefairy, Clefable, Spirtomb, Genesect

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>>31588017
also i love the synthetic type
let me expand this since i have some time
fungi arent plants even though they are similar in appearance, feed off death, and make counters for types that dont have a lof of weakness. im sure my table could be expanded but another weakness for ghost might help. also some moves like absorb(?), drain, leech life, spore would obviously work under this type.
pokemon that could fall under fungus:
gloom/vileplume, maybe oddish (fungus/poison)
paras/parasect (bug/fungus)
koffing/weezing (poison/fungus)
tangela/tangrowth (grass/fungus)
shuckle (fungus/rock) (maybe alt form)
celebi (fungus/psychic)
shroomish/breloom (fungus/fighting)
gulpin/swalot (poison/fungus)
lieep/cradily (rock/fungus)
cottonee/whimscott (fungus/fairy)
maractus (grass/fungus)
dwebble/crustle (could go either way)
trubbish/garbador (maybe too many poison hybrids now though...)
solosis (psychic/fungus)
foongus/amoongus (fungus/poison)
scatterbug/spewpa (bug/fungus)
skrep (water/fungus) and dragalgae (dragon/fungus)
pumpkaboo/gourgeist (ghost/fungus)
cutiefly/ribombee (fungus/fairy)
morelull/shiinotic (fungus/fairy)
pyuku (water/fungus)
nihilego (rock/fungus)

>>31583679
you need to add vibrava/flygon

>>31583730
The Noivern line was never a primary Dragon type you mongoloid

>>31585034
>no 4x against steel/rock/ground
>no 2x against water/ice
>no 1/2 against ghost

>>31585034
Sound essentially determines material structure so why are material types not super effected by sound? Steel bridges, fluids, sand etc...

Grass/Plant types are currently underwhelming with the recovery as its main niche. I think that an immunity based on plants growing better to music or not having typical ear drums would be a great opportunity to buff Grass.

Ice/snow/cold type could resist it or have an outright immunity to Sound. Snow noticeably deafens/muffles sound in the winter. I think shitting on Ice would be a mistake since the reasoning behind that is that it's the crystal type. Only a few ice types actually include visible ice in their design, of those half are proper ice crystals, and from that handful only one is crystalline enough to behave the same as a crystal. Rock is a better crystal type than ice, hands down.

Psychic might not need an immunity but it could use a resistance, psychics not being disturbed sound would be nice lore wise

>>31587086
Wrong, faggot.
Fighting type is just martial arts type. You just extrapolated that to mean hero type. Just like Psychic is esper. Stop using your headcannon to shoot "facts".

>>31591446
lol nope