What would a more Mature Pokemon game be? And no I don't

Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness

>>31554633
>XD
kys

Kabashi...

Digimon

Gen 7

>>31554633
This and Colosseum

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>>31554648

>>31554622
Battles would be much harder with less hand holding at the beginning and the end (difficulty settings could be included)

Much more complex storylines (perhaps even a longer game)

Maybe more realistic graphics (eg Monster Hunter / Final Fantasy)

>>31554691
>the end

That shouldn't be there

>petting your pokemon might sexually arouse them

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Atmosphere like Mushi-shi

Were the Unova games a step in the right direction?

>>31554766
I would love that. A driftblim episode lile mushi-shi shininaigans with the darkness so good.

>>31554779
Yes and failed

>>31554633
>XD
>maturity
Oh! The irony.

>>31554691
>More realistic graphics
Disgusting

>>31554622
Pokemon can´t be mature, the premise is too retarded for that, it just works whith retarded worldbuilding and plot.

>>31554638
>>31554834
>still using the XD meme in 2k17
kys

>>31554691
>>31554839
>still no more detailed graphics like in Pokken
why even live

>>31554622
Darker themes.

I want to see something done with the shit that Bill was doing all the way back in Gen 1. Imagine a storyline about a criminal group that turns themselves into pokemon, but people just assume it's wild pokemon in the beginning etc.

Shit, go in a different direction aka full crazy with it and have it instead have a story about a group who believes that the world being entirely pokemon is the correct order of things and includes cultists forcing people to undergo "pokefication".

>>31554622

Sun/Moon had pretty mature themes, I'm not really sure how you could make it more mature without getting darker or vulgar, except maybe adding actual depth to the story but I don't know if that's what you mean by mature?

>>31554622
Have the main character actually have trails and burdens to overcome have to work to a goal. Rather than being given everything free and everyone turns up and talks about how great you are

>>31554622
Here's a bunch of stuff in no particular order.

A different kind protagonist. A more "normal" trainer as opposed to the super-talented snowflakes usually play as.
It would require the game to be considerably harder but it would be nice to teach the kids that sometimes you just lose.
Maybe design the game around the fact that you won't win every battle.
Also friends and rivals that don't suck up to you.

The story could have a more bittersweet tone and treat themes other than muh friendship for once such as loss (not the edits) for example.

Have a villain who isn't cartoonishly evil. Either some guy who has good intentions from start to end and doesn't turn out to have ulterior motives or someone who is more pragmatic and has realistic goals but still a huge dick (sorta like Giovanni but worse).
Bonus points if you have a bunch of people helping you and you don't defeat him on your own.

>>31554622
>What would a more Mature Pokemon game be?
non existent, pokemon is a game for kids

>>31554622
The villainous group would use Pokemon attacks to harm people and they keep the region on lockdown as the "so-called" rulers because no one is strong enough to defeat the leader. And so a young trainer goes out to train and become strong enough after his family is attacked and all their possessions are "appropriated" and his mother is hospitalized

>>31554622
Maybe a deeper look into a topic like Team Plasma trying to get people to abolish People owning Pokémon.

Have a character who befriended pokemon and fought with them rather than just catching them.

BW is as close as we'll ever come to this. Literally the perfect and most memorable games plot-wise. SM a close second.

>>31554855
There exists Reborn if you want anything, though it's pretty edgy

Hard battles with fully evolved pokeemon

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prequel to red blue green.

mankinds first attempts to catch thempokemon extremely violent to humans

world is more wild no cities just outposts

>>31555073
Sounds like shit

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So in other words, combine the best aspects and crank it up to twelve.

>>31555097
should appeal to the SuMo crowd then

>>31554675
I love this. Dunno why.

The evil team gets what they want and you have to clean up the mess

>>31554622
How about just sex then?

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Darker themes: look at gen 1's creepy pasta and lore could of had something really good straight off the bat, i mean shit look at poke mansion with all its log entry's could of been worked on.

Difficulty curve increased.

Longer story with more rewarding postgame.

>>31555433
>creepy pasta
Kill yourself.
Immediately.
Remove yourself from the gene pool.
You do not deserve to have children.
It is imperative that you do NOT have children.
You must be euthanized as soon as possible.

Dark atmosphere in that the bad guys already won before the game started and basically own the world, and you can't really do anything about it because you're just a kid. Sure, you can beat them in pokemon battles, but that doesn't change the fact that they own the water supply and powerplants and the very land you walk on. So, really, none of what the hero does will ever make a difference.

Horrible things happen to people, like getting maimed, killed, or financially ruined, and your character is unable to save them.

Homeless characters not played for comedy. Orphanages are present. Landscape is polluted, lots of wilderness to explore full of pokemon, but you find things like rusted out cars, homeless camps, and abandoned shacks out in the woods. Oceans have junk floating on them and there's a dungeon called Garbage Island, an island literally made of floating trash(go catch some Garbodors there!) No one thinks this is unusual and acts like it's been that way forever.

Main character's father is outright stated to have either abandoned him (so you can fight him later) or is dead and has a visible tombstone somewhere in the world. Main character's Mom should turn against hero at some point, either captured and made into a bad guy against her will or she was evil all along and got you into pokemon journeying to get you out of the house so she can do bad-guy stuff.

Starters can be caught in the wild in their mid-form in Victory Road, that way you're not the only one who has one and it's less special.

Rival is the other gender character yuo didn't pick an asshole/bitch. S/he is a very rude punk and vandalizes the few nice things around. What s/he spray-paints or breaks is never fixed and remains that way for the rest of the game.

more next post...

>>31555594
While temples and shrines exist, no one is reverent to them and they have fallen into disrepair. The few monks who still keep them are insane hermits. No one believes legends about legendary pokemon and laugh at you for believing. Legends are catchable, but they aren't part of the main plot and are a series of sidequests more than anything. There are few legendary pokemon in this region and the ones that are around are clearly decrepit and old, like sitting in a cave for a hundred years made its flesh pale and joints stiff. Oneo f them is even kinda bad on purpose, like it's a legend, but its BST is only 450 and has a purposefully bad typing like Normal/Rock or something.

Some NPCs don't like you for no reason at all.

Extra ghost types this gen because spooky. Make sure most of the new pokemon in this gen aren't cute, and are kinda creepy or gross. Cutep okemon like pikaclones are rare and you have to go out of your way to find them much of the time.

Ghost-type Eevee that evolves from it dying to an Eevee-specific disease kinda like eevee AIDS that can be transmitted from the wild. The ghost looks perpetually sad but is still cute like all the other Eevees. Evolving it into something else, like a Glaceon or Jolteon or whatever before it dies is the only way to save it, otherwise it becomes a ghost. Because, lol, kill off one of the most beloved characters in the series (Eevee) on screen just to complete the pokedex.

>>31554638
>>31554846
Thats the games name you fktards

>>31555433
this >>31555572 desu senpai

A political one, featuring corrupt government/league being controlled by the mafia, hunger for profit in necessary services like Poke Centers, discrimination, poverty.

Basically, make the Pokemon world more realistic and less like a happy-go-lucky land.

>>31555960
you mean like colosseum?

>>31554638
>>31554846
Found the underages

>>31556124
>>31555863
found the faggots

Already exists and it's called Shin Megami Tensei.
I'd kill for SMT x Pokemon though.

You have to feed, care, and generally provide for every polemon you catch.

>>31556299
the fucking hell is a polemon?

>>31556321
A game where you catch, befriend and train slavs.

>>31554855
>group of crazy pokemaniacs who think a world with only pokémon would be perfect
>have technology that allows them to turn into pokémon while being able to talk
>protagonist stops them
>timeline splits
>bad ending where they win leads to the mystery dungeon games

>>31554897
>A more "normal" trainer as opposed to the super-talented snowflakes usually play as
from a gameplay perspective how could this be executed? Different backstory for the main character? Different starter?

>>31556187
>>31556187
Found the underage samefag

>>31554622
it just needs fucking blood, less kids and more actual tragic stories

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>>31556447
LOL YOU GOT ME!!!!

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>>31556371
Damn nigga

Asking for that means there's no reason to be rated M

You can tell a mature story in an E rated game

>>31554691

That's horse shit

A lot of "Rated M" games are piss easy

It doesn't automatically mean difficulty

A lot of Rated E to T games have difficulty and complex systems

Just look at Wonderful 101

>realistic graphics

Lol fuck no

>>31554790

>failed

Only if your fucking genwunner who can't stand anything being new without your nostalgia

>>31554622
Amp the SM story tenfold and make Lusamine die.

Also evil plans actually succeeding.

You can tell an M rated story without the M rating

What you just described, violence and blood and women are what people use to tell mature stories

But you don't need them if you do a better job

The M rating is an advertisement stunt and has no meaning in what experience a game can tell you

>>31556709

I just realized that technically Cyrus and Lusamine's plans succeed in their own way

Both want to be in a world with nothing but what they want to shape it

The only difference is that you actually go and take Back Lusamine

Sun/Moon was a step in the right direction, but there was too much of a disconnect between MC's story and Lillie's story. On one hand having a purely Aether/UB centered storyline with no trials/gyms in a mainline game would be weird. On the other, it would allow for better fleshing out of the characters and less rushed development in the last part of the story line.

>>31554691
You forgot


OPENN WORLDDDD!!!!11111

>>31556858

>disconnect

Lillie asks you right after you beat Hala

And you still focus on the majority of your trial with subtle hints like when you to Aether after Akala

You even finish your Ula Ula trials before she gets taken

If anything they merged it with the story when you tackle Poni Canyon after fighting Hapu and Totem Kommo-o applying for both trial and story

Only thing i can think Pokemon can get mature if its about more on the human psyche and NPC had less rambling about the game mechanics

The eevee storyline in SM was a cute example

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>>31554622
The protagonist is a parent who recently got laid off from his/her job and now they don't have enough money to support his/her family. So the protagonist decides to take a chance on becoming a career Pokémon Trainer in a region with a struggling economy.

The objective of the game is not to become champion, although that is an option, but to generate a stable income for all your family's needs and also save enough money to send your kids to college with help from your pokemon.

>>31556687
>Rated M
>Legitimate maturity

You actually fall for that shit

>>31555594
>>31555658
>And no I don't mean the meme of 'SEX AND VIOLENCE XD', I mean a legitimate maturity.

>>31558044
Where's the sex? Where's the violence? That post had nothing to do with either of those things, just a bunch of Deviantart-tier suggestions.

Like Black & White, except it frames Team Plasma as morally right.

>>31554622
You don't save the world you lose and it falls into chaos the post game is you and gym leads take charge of rebel groups and work to try to save what's left of your world.

>>31554622
I agree sex and violence just for the sake of adding it is tasteless, but actually including an intimate romance arc and some of the more realistic results of battles would be something.

>>31556371
There are humans in mystery dungeon though.

>>31554622
Developing a much stronger story and complex characters with realistic flaws and depth is a much better way of making Pokémon more mature than going into full on edge.
BW and SM were a good step in the right direction.

>>31554622
>Pokemon death can't be treated at a Center
>Need to go to the temple of Xerneas to bring them back

>>31560034
What will Xerneas jew outta you for reviving your Pokemon?

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>>31560046
>Children's Mode
>200 Pokedollars

>Normal Mode
Pokemon's max HP * 10

>HARD MODE

HALF
YOUR
MAXIMUM
POKEDOLLARS

>>31560239
OY VEY

>>31560032
Not like it needs to be full edgy. You can go dark, gore and whatever else if you have buildups and decent writing.

You can have a power of friendship and tomodach with kokoros story stillbe good and matureif you can portray it good as well. Biggest problem is we barely ever have any of those.

SM could have gone really great and WAS in the right direction, but it resolved itself too fast. It was just Wormhole -> Lusamine DONE!

We could have had more exploration, Hau and Gladion teaming up exploring the Ultra Space, Guzma as a mid-boss and finally fighting Lusamine at last. It feels as if they rushed the game and had no idea what to do once we got the box legendary

>>31557043
This is exactly what I had in mind.

The best way to make it mature would be to make of pokemon battles a necessity; people have to make money somehow, and you and almost everywhere in the region live in poor conditions, so you have to travel far from home at a young age in order to help your family survive.

The bad guys can be like Team Rocket; a gang of criminals who steal and sell pokemon in the black market, but instead of the grunts being just stereotypical minions who are "cruel" to their pokemon, can be portrayed as people who joined said gang in order to survive, perhaps an even darker version of the punks from Team Skull.

No sex or drugs or gore or anything too edgy, just a fear that a lot of grown ups can and will find relatable.

>>31554622
Literally just copy Persona

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Sea Meauville has a nice bit of "mature" storytelling in Pokémon.

It tells about how a family fell apart because of a workaholic dad who never had time for his wife and kid, how they fought over it, and even implies that the mom started cheating on him because of it.

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>Playable comes from a broken home
> Dad is an alcoholic and mom is depressed
>Dad usually just yells at her rather than physical abuse.
>You leave home to get away from it all.
>old Professor sees you in the rain invites you in.
>Sees you're a troubled youth and gives you a starter telling you to become a trainer.
>Does this so you could find yourself happiness.
>At first you are cold to your mon, call it worthless.
>Lose first gym battle storyline wise. Go back to the professor because you feel worthless
>see ambulance in front of his house
>had old man dying for plot reasons syndrome
>summon your pokemon in alleyway
>cry hugging it
>pokemon is forgiving because he knows you have depression
>sleep in a building where other runaways are
>keep to yourself so no probs
>someone stole your money while you were sleeping
>return to first gym and win from believing in the heart of the cards
You and your mom travel together and you slowly become happy
>after you become champ you return home to confront
>find out they divorced. Dad behind bars
>mom depressed that he was abusive and you were gone
>give her your starter mon to start her own journey to find happiness
>she agrees if you come with her
>help your mom overcome her trauma and depression

>>31554944
BW and BW2 really did a good job with a more mature approach.

People mistake maturity with edge and got annoyed that plot and some character development was getting in the way of just pressing A through everything

>>31554622
Nearly the same topic as sm since it was the most real and grounded in reality that didn't end with "im a bitch for dominant people and you fucking destroyed me so i'll follow your ideals" we'll ever get, then throw in the concept of the morality about catching pokemon without the aforementioned bullshit
another would be make most legendaries bossfights and non-catchable to give them the much needed respect they deserve since they're pretty much pokemon gods
and for good measure, make gym leaders/kahunas more involved in a type of government system to show they're not just useless nobodies
anything that you guys like or hate about my ideas?

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>>31554622
Reading through this thread, I'm going to say SM. Most of the stuff I see posted here is just childish bullshit. People can't distinguish between dark and mature. Having darker setting will get you the mature rating, but it's as childish as you can get.
Making it complex is just making it complex. Not any more mature. Making the main character of the story, you, a talent-less or poor kid isn't making it any deeper. It's just trying to make the world sound unfair. Not any more mature than making the world a friendly place.

I've come to the conclusion the most mature Pokemon game would one with realistic characters and a normal setting. So far, SM is the one that comes closet to that. If you've got a better description for the word "Mature", feel free to correct me.

I'd like to see a Zelda-esque open world where you just travel to different parts as a human character and fight Pokémon. Maybe set in a past before humans and Pokémon co-existed?

ez, just have a game based on being in the international police. Getting to swat criminals through walls n shit with pokemon would be dope

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>>31554622
if pokemon was realistic it would be having sex with ur pokemon
who the fuck wants to "battle pokemon" what an autistic fucking idea.
the whole "pokemon battle" shit doesn't make sense, pokemon are basically humans who literally can learn to speak english in a few days if they want but choose not to and put up with this bizzare custom that only worked on the gameboy when there was less of a world established.

>>31554675
cuckoo