So with Mantine getting Roost and 20+ HP it's now OU. What

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>>31554439
the real question is
why the fuck doesn't snorlax get slack off

>>31554439
Shore Up is a bad choice of name. It sounds like it's related to the sea. Sand Gather should have been kept.

>>31554453
This still annoys me to be honest. Makes so much sense!
Not that it would make it OU but Rapidash and Zebstrika need High Horsepower!!

>>31554465
>Zebra
>Horse

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>>31554439
>Slack off
>Becomes a stall staple

>>31554480
>A draft horse slacking off

What tier is Mega Steelix?

>>31554469
>Snorlax
>Horse

>>31554492
It was RU last gen, I think

>>31554490
"Sand gather" would of make sense!

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>>31554439
HP: 65 -> 90
Attack: 90 -> 65
Defense: 120
Sp. Attack: 85 -> 105 (+20)
Sp. Defense: 70
Speed: 60
Learn Recover

Done.

>>31554469
zebras and horses are both from the Equidae family

>>31554454
The Spanish translation of Shore Up basically says Sand Gather.

>>31554625
The original japanese name of Shore up IS Sand Gather. I guess they translated it to be beach related since a sandcastle gets it

Speed boost
Or strong jaw with 80 bst fire fang.

>>31554469
Golurk and Snorlax would like to have word with you on that.

If they can learn that attack, why not an electric zebra and a fire horse?

The more, the merrier, as they always say.

>how would you improve a Pokémon?
>"give it recover hurr"

Can we be a bit more creative than giving every bulky mon access to recovery moves?

>>31555138
Creative =/= Good

How would you guys fix girafarig?
I wish I could use it, the things so adorable.

>>31555138
You come up with a way to make bulky mons viable without any form of recovery.

>>31554507
BL2. Regular Steelix was NU

>>31554453
I wish Snorlax got Komala's ability. Now that be OP.

>>31555225
It has been designed to be filler since gen2. The only way to redeem it would be giving it (mega)evolution.

>>31555068
Because their gallop don't pack 100.000 Horsepower.

>>31554439
Probably. Defensive Pokemon without recovery sucks now.

They should make a steel-type recovery move that raises defense and recovers 50% HP at the same time, so they fullfill their purpose as defensive pokemon better than shit like Toxapex.

>>31555225
its own version of parental bond where it attacks a second time with its tail head?

So what's a good set for Mantine?
252HP/SDef, 4 SAtk
Modest or calm
@Left overs
Roost
Aqua ring
Air slash
Hydropump

>>31554643
Shore up is an actual english expression. It means to reenforce or support something.