/vgcg/ - VGC General

What's the most common Fini?

Also, what's this Trainer Tower website? Are the trying to kill Nugget Bridge?

>>31461193
Nugget Bridge's already dead, like this threads.

>>31461193
Right now it's Specs Fini and it's dying out anyway as people move back to Koko and Lele realizing they're just too fucking overpowered,

Trainer Tower is pretty much the best substitute to the old Nugget Bridge articles.

NB died anyway the staff abandoned it than it got hacked which killed most of it.

>>31461193
Yes, they're trying to steal the spotlight while not even mentioning NB or what it did to the VGC circuit and community. It's honestly disrespectful; whether you like it or not, NB was actually quite influential to the circuit and even the games.

ded

>>31460986
Why is the vgc scene so fucking dead?

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Reminder that many competent players have their own youtube channel, for example Wolfey makes interesting battle analysis like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSczkCEUGwc

>>31463878
fuck off wolfey, we are number one memes are dead

>>31463786
Because:

The "scene" is at VGCTwitter
The "scene" is composed of 90% of the NuggetBridge circlejerk
VGC is inherently IRL thing because of events
The circuit is being handled like utter super shit this year so people have lost motivation to play because it's a high effort low reward type of deal

/vp/ is pretty irrelevant

>>31464019
funny how they 'fixed' the meta but fucked the circuit

>>31464019
>Midseason showdown happening nearby me soon
>First place is just 50 points

>>31461193
Nuggetbridge got hacked pretty bad and they lost all of 2016 AND the forums in the backup (somehow).

In other words, it's ded as shit.

Sweeping through 1500 elo hell feels so good

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>>31464788
>showdown

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>>31465767

>>31465767
I never said I played on showdown though, in fact the starting rank there is 1200 I think.

>>31466044
It's 1000 actually, and doesn't go lower than that.

So anyone here signed up for this?

https://battlefy.com/melbourne-challenge/melbourne-challenge/585dcdfb4d6ae5390385a7a6/info

>>31464019
The odd thing is that VGC seems to be the most popular it's ever been.

up you go

Anyone have any suggestions on how to improve my team? I'm currently just playing with some of my favourites that are workable in the meta but I'm open to swapping some out for improvement.

Bone Appetit (Marowak-Alola) @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemerang
- Protect

Ivan Ooze (Muk-Alola) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Touch
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gunk Shot
- Crunch
- Brick Break
- Protect

Vicky (Vikavolt) @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Bug Buzz
- Discharge
- String Shot
- Protect

Reel Big Fish (Gyarados) @ Groundium Z
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Protect

Falcor (Drampa) @ Life Orb
Ability: Cloud Nine
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Dragon Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Hyper Voice
- Protect

Win.exe Not Found (Porygon2) @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 20 SpA / 76 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball

>>31469864
>Marowak

You're wasting 4 EVs. Either take 4 more from HP to put them in SpD, or the other way around.

>Muk

Gunk Shot is bad, so is Crunch. Swap them for Poison Jab and Knock Off, since they're way more reliable and useful in the meta. Brick Break isn't that great, but if you really want to break Aurora Veils, I suppose it's alright. Alternatively you could run Shadow Sneak (bad damage, but useful for picking up stuff at 5%), Taunt or even Imprison for the mirror.

>Vikavolt

String Shot is cool, but if you're giving up a move slot for it, you'd better run Thunderbolt instead of Discharge, since nothing can really take it without fear other than the Marowak.

>Gyarados

Interesting choice, and could definitely work in BO1s. Nothing really wrong with it.

>Drampa

Hyper Voice doesn't do that much damage in practice, I think you should change it to Draco Meteor to nuke shit.

>Porygon

I think Thunderbolt would be more useful than Shadow Ball, but that's really up to you. It's not a wrong choice.

Another thing is that, since you're running almost hard TR, you should have something like Hariyama somewhere to make P2's job easier.

Also, the spreads are a bit unoptimized for a few Pokemon, especially Marowak's. I recommend you to head over Wolfe's channel to get some sample spreads from him. Trainer Tower has some too, in case you want alternatives.

>>31464019
>retards on 4chan haven't been talking about vgc much recently, it must be dead
circuit is great this year for people who want to play(cash prizing, trips) and it shows in attendance numbers

>>31464019
It's pretty dead here in the UK; most Premier Challenges get exactly 8 players because they pressgang staff or parents to play to get it up to the number to be sanctioned.

It was huge before the International Championships, but Premier Challenges and Regionals have such small points payouts compared to ICs that most people who didn't get points at the IC have just stopped attending events altogether.

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any local streams this weekend?

>>31470440
Congratulations on your complete lack of reading comprehension.

The post even said that /vp/ is utter irrelevant. Are you are TCPi shill or something to get so buttblasted?

>>31473433
Fartana by far.

I hate this game. Why am I still undefeated on showdown but can't win a single game on Battlespot?

Why does Eevee not work on Battlespot? Why is Battlespot anti-meme?

>>31473743
Because Showdown is shit and it's filled with western players.

>>31472173
no one?

>>31474142
Libertygarden just started a stream. Not sure exactly what it will be.

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>>31474180
Oh shit, it looks like they're streaming a MSS indeed. Well, so we'll finally have a comfy streaming for the weekend:

>libertygarden (at twitch)

>>31473433
krookofini here

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persian on the stream right now

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Is this a new meme team? I keep fighting this exact team over and over.

>>31474519
fucking newfag where have you been?

that's sekiam's team from london international

it was a meme, but it's dying now

MALE ONLY on stream

Man, Goodra is so fucking shit. I've literally never seen it do anything.

>>31474799
I used one to good success at a PC two weeks ago, it's great in certain matchups but it certainly isn't something you should bring to every game

anyone still watching the stream?

>>31476010
/vp/'s waifu is on libertygarden right now

>>31476010
I stopped after the freeze hax from the Goodra fag.

>>31463786
maybe its because WE FUCKING CANT DO A FUCKING GAME SYNC OF OUR FUCKING GAME BECAUSE OF NINTENDOS SHITTY POKEMON GL SITE NEVER FUCKING WORKS. RESULTING IN US NOT GIVING A FUCK ANYMORE.

>>31469864
I run Vikavolt and I replaced String Shot with HP Ice even though that one article on trainer tower praises it.
Getting walled all day by Garchomp isn't fun.

>>31473743
Showdown being super accessible to everyone means a lot of players there are utterly retarded.
That's why the showdown ladder is pretty much twice as big as the BS one.

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for maximun comfy VGC streaming:

multitwitch + libertygarden/aonstreams

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>>31476424
thanks

This Maura Hazen vs Stephen Mean is a fucking shitfest of a game

>>31473433
I only use Fini ;c

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Reminder that there's 2 VGC streams right now >>31476424

>>31478112
3 if you include the Melbourne Trip Chall ($1500, winner takes all)
twitch.tv 13yoshi37

finals of shay's stream right nao

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how's vgc going this time?

>oricorio pheromosa in the finals

>>31479661
Porygon freezehax has been a lot more common to me than Ninetales freezes.

What is a good nature for Tapu fini?

>>31480404
Literally all 4 times I've been frozen by Ninetails I thawed first turn.
It's like it knows it's bullshit.

>>31479661
>not having screens of terrakion flinching the shit out of everyone in vgc11/12

plus ninetales is much less cancer than everything else in that pic

up

>>31474799
Because people keep using it wrong.

Goodra's purpose is a all in one Rain team counter, it shuts down absolutely everything any Rain team in this meta can run.

You can try using it in other situations like it also happens to have a excellent matchup against Celesteela and Kartana. But ultimately it's not supposed to be brought on a regular basis.

>>31480641
Ninetales at least requires some skill to position to use since it dies to virtually everything.

>>31480404
20% vs 10%. I wonder why.

There is a midseason showdown today where I live.
Which team should I bring?

>>31484216
the only thing you shoulld bring is 3ds recorder
and then stream it

>>31484216
Just go for the streetpass, faggot

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thoughts on this?

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>>31484542
>oricorio + pheromosa

>>31484199
>Ninetales at least requires some skill to position to use since it dies to virtually everything.

Are you forgetting how brutal gen 5 VGC was thanks to Gems?

>>31484542
>online grassroots
Doesn't that kinda ignore the meaning of grassroots?

>>31484764
no? grassroots just means something organized by people who aren't in a position of power. In this context, a grassroots tournament would mean one that has nothing to do with TPCi.

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I just went for the baller-ass play to turn 1 protect clefairy and eeveeboost against a Kartana+Ninetales lead.

It worked out perfectly, except for that moment when Eevee got frozen.

>>31485422
lmoa get fucked Eeveefag

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>>31484542
People seemingly liked it a lot so they will probably make more and more. This was the first one so the novelty factor is part of it being such a big success so who knows how successful all future ones will be after that runs out.

That Cybertron won was kinda shitty though, not because I dislike the guy, but because it gives a "You won't win if you are a super duper established playing for 10 years toppity top player". Had some less recognizable won it, specially had it been someone from a country without events, it would have given a "anyone can win these" impression" and as such more people would feel willing to join them in the future because money is money after all, and no one wants to dump into something they feel will have zero chance at.

That's just my two cents though.

-

That said, I had a good experience participating on that tourney. My country has no official play and while there's a small local community they "know" how to play competitive, but don't play competitively seriously. They are more focused on making "fun" tournaments and on muh variety and stuff like that. And anyone who does or thinks otherwise is a no life tryhard in their eyes.

As such, this ended up being my "serious" VGC tourney ever and while I went 3-3 and wanted to keep playing just for practice, but I got a headache so I ended up dropping to rest instead considering I was not gonna top cut anymore, I feel rather satisfied with my results nonetheless, I didn't play any randoms, only top players and literally all them had managed to make it to Worlds, I even fought the Seniors World Champion. All all my matches were close ones and I didn't get super btfo by no one I played it and lastly I feel like all the matches I lost were by mistakes in my plays, not because I got outplayed by my opponents.

I'm very happy to know that I'm not just a big fish on a small pond but that I'm actually able to compete with, and beat, top players. It's a really good feeling.

>>31486001
>it would have given a "anyone can win these" impression

That's not exactly a good thing, you know. And of course good players would win it. Aaron's reputation is not for nothing.

>>31486542
If Aaron is so good then why hasn't he won Worlds already? Check and mate.

I bet this little brother will win Masters before he does.

>That's not exactly a good thing, you know.
Considering that unlike official events all the value these have depends on the amount of people joining, yes, I'd say it is a good thing because something like that happening will make more people feel like joining and they would feel they "have a chance".

Tourneys also need randoms and rabble to success and inflate numbers, it's not all about top players. No one is saying that Cybertron is not a good player and doesn't deserve a win but you are kinda missing the point brought up there.

>>31486622
Because there are other good people around the world? Stop being salty that a good player won instead of a literal who. If anything, good people winning should make you work harder next time to be on their level, and it also proves that Pokemon rewards skill and experience instead of being all coinflips like casuals like to think.

>>31486001
Well, the guy in second place isn't exactly a super duper established playing for 10 years toppity top player, so there's that.
Cybertron winning it shows that by putting in time and effort into it, you can win nice prizes, and that's a far better message than "hey anyone can win". It's not like he was a safe pick for winning the tournament either.
If someone is discouraged because a good player won a tournament then I don't know what they're doing. They should aim to get better so taht one day they can compete at that level.

>>31486741
I'm not salty at all though, you keep missing all the points and focusing just on that. If anything, you are the one who seems salty as hell because someone is not cocksucking Aaron's little chink dick.

>>31486761
>you keep missing all the points and focusing just on that

Oh the irony.

>>31486001
>Had some less recognizable won it, specially had it been someone from a country without events, it would have given a "anyone can win these" impression" and as such more people would feel willing to join them in the future because money is money after all, and no one wants to dump into something they feel will have zero chance at.

This is exactly what I thought. At first I thought "damn I should've entered", but then I quickly realized that I wouldn't have any chance.

But this is the problem with the kind of game that GF is making, the learning curve is too high.

>>31486752
This.

>>31486806
This.

>>31487378
This.

>>31487378
>>31487541
(You)

>>31487566
This.

oh shit, bump

so, why does everyone run love ball ninetales? it bugs me to no end because it doesn't match with its colors.

are they just waifufagging?

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>>31490299
>tfw I have a loveball nihilego called Lillie in my VGC team

>>31484542
What the fuck did Oricorio do?
Some dude ran it this Sunday on my local Premier Challange but I couldn't see it in action, I've heard it was very damn annoying.

On a similar note, I really hate how qualification matches are at best of 1, I understand why, but damn losing the access to tops because I lost to a BS tier surprise memeteam always makes me butthurt to the max.

>>31490756
It snatches Pheromosa's Quiver Dances even while protecting. It also learns Tailwind just in case there are Golducks in the opposing team.

>>31490299
Mine's in a Love Ball because I want to breed a shiny out of it someday and it's my favorite Pokemon.

>>31490756
>What the fuck did Oricorio do?
It gets a free quiver dance while protecting (if pheromosa goes for it) and then it can use supersonic skystrike to nuke something while it continues to boost itself via Dancer. It also gets tailwind, taunt or hidden power of your choice. And Revelation Dance as it's main attacking move, since the other one is probably Hurricane for the big damage. It's not that strong but it's pretty annoying, though if it gets out of hand is dangerous.

go to line 190
http://pastebin.com/3rJDwBqn

>>31492918
What got hacked this time?

>>31493000
NNIDs.

up you go

Can someone explain the difference in the various battles in the Battle Spot? More specifically, "Special Battles" and "Championship Battles"?

>>31495154
Championship battles is the VGC ladder. If you select doubles you'll fight people using megas and national dex mons.

Special battles is a gimmick ladder where the rules change every month.

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So I got a premier challenge near me happening in under a week, aaaand while I can build teams very quickly, I'm too lazy to think of anything decent or more importantly "interesting".

So anybody got some team ideas they want to shoot at me?

They don't need to be "great" ideas either.

>>31495282
Alright, so if I want to start experiencing competitive battles for VGC, Championship Battles are the way to go? Thanks

Also, realized that I'm an idiot who forgot to check that their Marowak actually has Lightning Rod and not Cursed Body. Time to save up for an Ability Capsule

>>31495351
I've been successful online with Trick Room teams. It's funny to me how prevalent slow, bulky pokemon seem to be for this season of VGC.

>>31495364
Lightning Rod is literally the only viable ability for it.

>>31495438
I know, I have no idea how that slipped past me.

>>31495364
I did the same with my Whimsicott. IT had infiltrator and not Prankster.

http://www.trainertower.com/on-pokemon-and-esports-growth/
Thoughts?

>>31497160
Uninformed article written by an uninformed retard who only knows what the "established" players who rubbed up to him babbled about, for the sake of a false sense of accomplishment that he actually contributes to the eSports industry (player account manager LMAO)

>>31497160
Who cares? Pokemon won't ever be eSports.

>>31497160
this guy says obvious but also pointless stuff. The real problem with VGC is that if you aren't a top player with lots of time in your hands you have no reason to go to tournaments and end up just playing on the ladder (which is fine but gets kinda stale).
Another really stupid thing about VGC is the fact that the culmination of the season happens in august and the actual race for the next world championship begins with the old format rules. You see players that have been performing poorly in VGC17 standing high on CP count because they won or topped tournaments that were played in an obsolete format.

>>31497220
Essentially the only reason VGC isn't "eSports" is the lack of spectators, pretty much everything you'd otherwise need are there.

>>31497220
Pokemon will never be an "esports" between TCPi being so shit at organization and fucking up something somehow every year, Gamefreak being the worst developers in the universe who don't even understand their own game, Pokemon being a awful game for watching, and the "community" being a bunch of self-absorbed faggots who spend more time wanking one another rather than trying to grow the community so ultimately there's no sense of "unity" or "belonging" and why would you want to be somewhere you don't feel welcomed into?

>>31495351
Why the hell should I give my ideas I've spent a week to come up with to the first person who walks by?

>>31498393
To make the community grow :^)

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>China and Taiwan get you use Skystrike Gyarados but no one else can.

epic simply epic

>>31499096
I better ask my totally real Taiwanese and Chinese friends to get me one!

>>31497274
Pokemon will never be an esport for plenty of reasons, but the number one reason is how prevelent hacking is and how it delegitimizes the game from a competative standpoint. If the game REQUIRED the time investment that they intended then we would see a better community that cares more about the game than the shitty "politics" of the scene.

>>31499096
http://www.serebii.net/events/dex/129.shtml

>Steam Eruption
>Overheat

wtf I hate Joe now!

>>31499147
Except that's not the real reason, and not even the first one or even important one really, hacking a symptom, the real disease is how Pokemon is the only "competitive" game where you have such a ridiculous entry wall to even start to play and practice.

Go play Dota, Counter, Smash, Street Fighter and none of them require to play Tauros Riding RNG Simulator 2017 or any equivalent to just start playing in the first place. They all are pick and play on the go.

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>>31499123
yeah, me too ;)

>>31499171
It's not about RNG, it's a matter of time investment. To be good at any of the games you mentioned you need to pour way more time into them to be a pro than even if you breed for IVs and EV train. I never said it was the biggest issue, but it does make VGC look like it isn't really competative. Of course other huge issues exist, but to me the biggest issue is that because of tPCI's lack of clemency and lack of sufficient timing, sponsorships, and prize pools don't help either.

All I'm saying is that before pokemon can be considered a professional esport, it needs to be legitimized. If you believe the fault is on GF for not having better systems, that's fair. But what isn't fair is cheating in a competition where any amount of money or acclaim is at stake. It totally subverts the purpose of a competition imo.

>>31499096
I don't get it, I thought gyarados could already use the flying z-move

>>31499280
If you deny the fact that preparing your team is literally all RNG then you're an idiot. He's not talking about the actual battles.

>>31499311
I'm not denying that at all. I look at it in a much more holistic way. There is a way the game is intended to be played, which means using the systems proprietary to the game itself, and then there are means of injecting. The intended cycle of gameplay is breed, hatch, battle, repeat. To me it's not either or, injecting pokemon for VGC is illigitimate even if people don't get caught. It's even more silly that you see people high up in VGC that haven't hatched eggs and have the bare minimum of progress to play competativley and still place well. I'm not salty about it, I'm just laying out why I think pokemon will never be seen as a legitimate esport. The grind is a necesary part of ANY competition, and sure you can subvert that and still do well, but it isn't the way tPCI intends the game to be played.

But please keep calling me an idiot.

>>31499147
Don't you have an NNID to recover verlis?

>>31499415
Why are people so insecure about the fact that they inject? I don't care. I just don't see it as legitimate. If you do, I still don't care.

>>31499280
Most people people look at comp Pokemon and think "I have to do all that shit that will have zero consequence just to be able to start playing and practicing? Fuck that. I'd better go play Street Fighter that has a bigger community, better prices, more people willing to help me git gut, has locals, has sponsors and overall more thing that will make my time investment feel like it was well invested".

Even if by some miracle Gamefreak managed to stop injection forever and everyone had to play "legit" the same core issues will still remain.

Also, let us not forget the "muh variety" crowd which I honestly believe is another thing that put people off from Pokemon. Unlike all those games Pokemon loves to shove down your throat the "Pokemon are friends! Pokemon are all equal! Use your favorites! Love them! Cherish them!" and then when little Jimmy, and even 23 years old Jim because you see this behavior from supposed adults too, decides to start playing it turns out that his favorite Ledian has shit IVs, shit Nature, EVs all over and the cherry on top is that no matter what he does his Ledian bro will be shit yes or yes because of it's BST and as such completely unusable in any competitive way they just say fuck it and say competitive Pokemon is shit.

Competitive Pokemon is the total anti-thesis of the message the games love to give because ultimately Pokemon is a numbers game and there's no power of bro like in the anime.

>>31499393
>The grind is a necesary part of ANY competition
Here's the thing though. This "grind" you mention in Pokemon is completely inconsequential for the competition. There's zero skill involved, it's just praying for the RNG to give you what you want. It's only after that "grind" is done that players can start "the other grind" to git gud.

All other games start with the "grind to git gud" from the get go. Pokemon is the only "competitive" game where you have to grind before starting to grind for reals. How fucked up is that?

>>31499428
You seem to care a lot just for the fact that you're writing a lof of shit just because people inject.

>>31499453
Like I said, I am aware of the numerous issues around VGC and game balance. If you believe GF needs to change its in game systems I don't disagree. I'm really talking a time in reward out scenario.

>>31499454
I care to the extent that Pokemon is one of my favorite series and it deserves better treatment competatively. I want the community to be more open and easier to access. I'm not saying that breeding or injecting don't deter people, I'm just saying GF and tPCI need to get their shit together if they do want a competative scen that's taken seriously.

I can't be the only one that sometimes forgets Nihilego is Rock type and leave their Arcanine in front of it without fearing a Power Gem, right? RIGHT?

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>>31500127

I'm not too great at team building.
But I want to try out some new ones on Showdown.

Can anyone toss me a team they have been using to some success so I can try it out?

>>31499538
Wasting your time to pretend you have a virtual baby is the reward senpai. It feels good knowing I'll have enough cp to go to world's this year. Imma keep going to events with my injected mons, and people won't think twice because I'm actually good at the competitive part of the competitive version of the game.

>>31500602
>Wasting your time to pretend you have a virtual baby is the reward senpai.
Don't forget how they throw away other few hundreds of virtual babies. But that's awright, injectors are the bad ones because they "don't love" their Pokemon and lovingly breed them.

Oh, and let's not forget how their Pokemon were also breed with a totally not injected Ditto.

>>31500602
>>31500630
Y'all project too hard, I'm really not hating on injectors. I personally don't do it, but as far as tPCI is concerned they are legitimate since they don't run thorough checks. Please continue playing how you want. I'm just speculating how to create a better community.

And btw, this is /vp/. I know nobody here is good enough to qualify.

>>31501121
>they don't run thorough checks
A well-injected pokemon is *****literally***** indistinguishable from a bred one. There is ZERO competitive advantage gained through injecting.

Pull your head out of your ass.

>>31501210
B-But they gain a time advantage because they don't play Tauros Riding Simulator 2017 like I do so they can train for more time!

>>31501210
I already gave my two cents. Ideally, any competitive game has some type of build up to a player becoming competitive. I just think injecting is super lame and unrewarding. I don't care how you feel about what I do, because I don't care what you do. I just want VGC to be a cool, fun scene which it isn't. A lot of that has to do with tPCI, a lot has to do with GF. Injectors do what they do because they can, and I get it. I just want a more legitimate competitive game, as in I want Game Freak to either allow us to create Pokemon exactly how we want in game or they change the fundamentals of breeding. I don't understand why anyone is getting mad at my posts, I don't think I'm saying anything controversial.

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Polygon also published an article another one of the trainer tower guys. I'm not linking to it because
>polygon
but here it is: http://pastebin.com/CxA5W7Kj

>>31501355
I like this one better. Much more on-point. I had fucking idea that you couldn't use QR teams on live events though. What's the fucking point then?

It's always 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards with Gamefreak and TCPi.

>Many players believe TPCI doesn’t care much about VGC
They don't. From just seeing the prize support from TCP and how VGC prize support is not even half of it you can tell that VGC is just a side-thing for them. Their attention is focused mostly on the TCG circuit.

>>31501355
>another one of the trainer tower guys
wrote*

>>31501504
It makes more business sense to push the TCG. At least 95% of people who buy the video game would buy it regardless of whether there were official tournaments, and other than some people buying two games or two 3DSs, there's no extra profit to be made.
In TCG, a lot of players would stop caring if there weren't organised events for it, since it's only really enjoyable in multiplayer. And more than that, the people who spend huge amounts of money are very often motivated by the competitive circuit.

>>31501575
Pretty much.

Maybe I'll just finally drop VGC and move to TCG new year. All their stuff seems more organized and with better prize support. No idea if their community is as much as a circlejerk and dramafest as the VGC one though.

>>31501504
Yeah, not to mention that it's the fucking TCG higher-ups that make the rules for VGC. It doesn't make any sense but that's just how it is. They don't even know the fucking game, seeing as how they released the rules saying Type: Null/Silvally wasn't able to be shiny.

This thing alone makes me hate TCG honestly, and the fact that watching/playing it is as boring as watching paint dry doesn't help.

>>31501610
I used to be pretty active in the UK VGC community a few years ago, and now I do more TCG stuff. I'm not really sure which I prefer.

VGC's community is definitely more focused around a small group of people who are well-known, and a much larger group of people who seem content to just be fans of the well-known ones.

TCG's community seems incredibly varied. At most league events, about half the people there are completely unaware of things like "World Championships" and "Play! Pokémon". As far as they're concerned, leagues are just a thing done by their local shop and not an official thing.
Then at the same tournament, there'll be somebody who buys ten booster boxes, flies to every Nationals in the world and still never qualifies for Worlds

>>31501743
The TCG community sounds more "comfy" to me desu. Sounds like an actual community that everyone is part of no matter if you are good or bad at game rather than an exclusive circlejerk.

>>31501799
Both have their fair share of pricks and nice people. The main difference is that in TCG the pricks tend to say "I am a pro, you don't deserve to talk to me" and in VGC the pricks tend to say "That person over there is a pro, you don't deserve to talk to them".

>>31501979
BATON PASS A TODO GAS LOBEZNO ONDA VITAL TIO

>>31499302
Bounce is a transfer only move you could use hurricane but it's not worth your z-move

>>31501979
Is there any place to see the builds and sets of these teams?

>>31501979
>sekiam still getting tops with the london team
how

>>31502089
No.

Why is there one faggot who always asks this shit?

Do you think there's someone at every tourney ever asking every single person to share their teams and their sets to put them online later or something? Do you think people really just share their sets just like that?

>>31502080
b-but z-hurricane is stronger than z-bounce

>>31502104
>london team
I see no gigalith there tho

>>31502104
It's a solid team and Sekiam is an above average player. Nothing strange.

>>31502140
fuck off sekiam

>>31502140
>screenpeeking

>>31502140
t. miguel matri de la rotte

>>31502105
Well, in other competitive games like magic or yugioh. You have to submit a deck list.
It is used as a protection from someone cheating and changing their deck list to give an advantage.

It just seems like a pretty basic idea to me that you would have to write down pokes with their moveset and evs for entering a tournament.

And other competitive games make these lists public for others to see during tournaments.

So, that's why I asked.

>>31502409
You're very new to this, aren't you?

Team sheets are required for events. However, as a huge advantage is gained by knowing your opponent's sets, they aren't meant to be distributed freely. A lot of players even get very upset about being asked to perform on stream because they're so paranoid about people scouting them.

HOLY SHIT WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYTHING SCARFED NOWADAYS

I FUCKING JUST FOUGHT A FUCKING SCARFED PHEROMOSA

WHAT THE FUCK MAN

>>31502409
players have to fill teamsheets but those aren't published and it's better that way for the players, since decklists in MtG tend to be more standardized with deck archetypes while pokemon teams are always unique even if they use popular cores.

>>31502445
Extremely new to this.


I can understand wanting an element of surprise when playing.
But that just seems like people are being a little over dramatic.

>>31502486
prediction and surprise is a big element in pokemon. "Hidden" techs can win you games and knowing your opponent's ones gives you a big advantage.

>>31502504
Which is fine.
I'm all for that during a tournament.

But after a tournament is over is when I would expect lists and builds to be posted anyways.

>>31502529
Except no because you can still re-use stuff and there's stuff unrevealed and well and so on.

>>31502456
Scarf is a great item, but I do feel like some people don't realise that outspeeding something by 50 points isn't better than outspeeding it by 1 point.
I've seen a bunch of Choice Scarf Salamence which are 252Spe Timid/Jolly, when Modest/Adamant is still enough to outspeed Pheremosa.

>>31502551
BUT WHAT IF THEY USE ME A SCARF TIMID MENCE

I HAVE TO BE TIMID TOO IN CASE OF A SPEED TIE BRO

>>31502504
It isn't even a matter of how big the advantage is, VGC players are very pedantic about not doing anything that would hinder them under any circumstance. Wolfe's insistence on using all shinies in balls with the longest animations, and the Pokémon Contest bow effect to stall the timer out an extra 0.2 seconds is the extreme example of this.

I'm following a shit ton of VGC players on Twitter, but I still can't find what's going on right now over there. Apparently someone's being an aggresive asshole or something? Does anyone know?

>>31503416
who's making vgc drama this time?
can you post any tweets?

>>31503644
I don't know, that's what I want to know. All I can see are subtweets.

https://twitter.com/AzazelVGC
https://twitter.com/ChuppaVGC

>>31503416

If someone is being a dumb asshole it's probably Raikoo.

I followed him because he's a good player, and then almost immediately unfollowed him because all he does is start shit and whine. He acts his age.

>>31502571
>Wolfe's insistence on using all shinies in balls with the longest animations, and the Pokémon Contest bow effect to stall the timer out an extra 0.2 seconds is the extreme example of this.

Woah he really does this? Is there an article talking bout this or a video he did? Im intrigued

>>31503838
I got into an argument with him on PS once over the "this is a safe space" garbage on the room banner.

Needless to say he threw a tantrum and got makiri to ban me.

What are the best natures for Kartana in VGC?

>>31504151
Adamant or jolly

>>31504081
Yeah, ever since he came out, he became super sensitive about everything and thinks he needs special treatment. Fuck that noise.

>>31504562
So now there's homos demanding safespaces because they like sucking cocks? Wew. Not even Trista is this much of a faggot and he's the token tranny.

>>31505157
Exactly:

https://twitter.com/ellehazy/status/823685736658505729

>>31505219
>Scroll down a little
>Nothing but libtard tweets whining, crying and bitching about Trump
Comedy gold

>>31505219
>Go in thinking anons are over reacting
>He's actually just bitching constantly

Wow what a fag.

>>31505219
I seriously wonder what went wrong with this type of people for them to turn out into thin-skinned pussies who can't deal with people disagreeing with them or with things they don't like and believe people who believe differently from them are "attacking" them if there's a disagreement in beliefs.

usage stats on pgl are out
>snorlax that high

>>31507284
Oh neat, it goes down to 30. Also, Lele looks cute.

>>31507284
>most of the silvally forms are no-data
aw

>>31507284
>Muk
>Wiki Berry 1.5%

>>31507284
>>31507405
Yeah. How the fuck does one run Silvally? Jolly + Parting Shot? Bulky with Parting Shot? Parting Shot has to be involved.

>>31507549

Scarf Parting Shot/Explosion/Iron Head/coverage I guess

>>31507576
Explosion I get. I assume Memory-Silvally is garbage since no one uses it. I thought Fairy-Silvally would pick up usage because it gets the best physical Fairy move in the game with 100% accuracy.

I can see why Fairy isn't used. We have the Tapus as amazing Fairy types and Muk is a thing. I imagine any type it becomes becomes outclassed by actual types of what role it's filling in. Fire-Silvally < Arcanine, Steel-Silvally < Celesteela, etc. So non-Memory with Explosion seems to be its best option. Man if it only got a better movepool with Extreme-Speed. Unless it does get that then rip Silvally.

>>31498393
Cause you wanna show off how good they are?

>>31507284
Showing top 30 now is absolutely based, I thought that may only be for competitions

>Arcanine literally top dog

>>31504034
I think it was his team report for his 2012 Worlds team, so a long time ago.

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>>31507284
Fucking finally.

>Snorlax that high
Nips have been on Snorlax for a good while now.

Normal is a fucking good type to have on this meta because barely any fightings and too much Tapu going around for the few that exist to be able to do much.

Snorlax has quick recovery, enough coverage, set-up moves and it's a fat bulky fuck so he doesn't care if he goes slow because he can take a good hit or two or three and eat a berry on your face and recover half it's HP.

Really makes you think how he's been overlooked for so long.

>Koko, Lele and Fini are 4, 5 and 6 in usage
>Bulu is 23
How sad.

>Garchomp 2
Still the king.

>Arcanine 1
Fuck this shitty ass dog.

>>31508533
>Fuck this shitty ass dog.
How is it possible to have this shit taste?

>>31508551
Because I'm sick of seeing it in every team and it neutering all my physical attackers just by standing there doing fucking nothing and then when I'm about to kill it whoops I had a berry hope you like me recovering 50% of my hp arf arf.

This must be what karenfags feel like when seeing Landorus-T.

>>31508533
>Really makes you think how he's been overlooked for so long
You mean just within this generation, or overall?
Figy Berry buff did wonders for all Gluttony Pokémon (I'm hoping Belly Drum+ExtremeSpeed Linoone is legal at some point), and the fact that most of its counters are illegal this year helps
>No Kankaskan
>No Landorus
>No Scrafty
>No Conkeldurr

Within the year, it really is a very unfamiliar metagame, and trends keep rising and falling. I'm still waiting for Dragonite to get recognition though.

>>31508583
>I'm still waiting for Dragonite to get recognition though.
Maybe after Bank so it can get Extreme Speed again.

Can't wait to meme on nerds with Z-Fly.

>>31508533
>liking cancershark over based Fire doggo
kys

>>31508673
The dog is the cancerous one considering he's the one that's number one right now.

This time Garchomp is the underdog who's rising above the adversity of the tyrannic Tapu rule to save us from the true cancer.

>>31508533
You don't seem to realize just how huge the Figy berry buff was, Snorlax's biggest problem was that it always lacked any means of recovery to compliment it's defenses.

And now all of a sudden it has that recovery in a meta where Knock Off is non-existant because for some fucking reason most moves aren't learnt by anything naturally.

>>31508562
And yet people won't run Milotic because if there ever was a fuck off button for all Intimidators it is Milotic.

Ironically Arcanine is probably also one of the best possible partners Milotic could want as well.

>>31508591
It'll do shit all.

We're in a meta where Lele exists and sits in a 95 base speed vs it's 80 and D-nite has nothing which can quickly kill a Fairy beyond Iron Tail and a Z-move but it really wants that item slot.

If you hadn't noticed priority is still non-existant which speaks volumes and if you wish to use any means of priority you HAVE to run a non-Lele Tapu too.

But if you're running something like Koko you don't have any need for priority in the first place and Lele is already faster than most of this retiree speed tier meta leaving Fini as the only choice. It's not like we're strapped for choice with priority users, but Psychic Terrain really is a overpowered effect.

>>31508591
You could already do that in the current meta and if you're going to do that shit you may as well use Salamence and Z-Bounce Gyarados is soon to be available too.

D-nite's real strength in this meta is how if you support it properly it can even laugh off STAB Fairy attacks for a easy WP activation.

As long you can keep D-Nite at full HP even a STAB Moonblast from Lele only does a little over half HP. Even without Multiscale a simple Screen setup is all you really need to get it going.

>>31510043
>If you hadn't noticed priority is still non-existant
54% of arcanine have extremespeed, though? And 80% of metagross have bullet punch.
The only reason for the lack of priority is a lack of priority users.

>>31510056
Metagross only carries Bullet Punch for lack of anything better to run and they are often paired with Fini which is exactly what I mentioned already.

Don't kid yourself we never see Sucker Punches or any other priority moves, Golisopod for one is literally made as a priority abuser, it's ability should be irrelevant with how it's setup.

Or more importantly Pranksters, there is no shortage of Prankster users in this dex but none of them do seemingly well here.

Lucario still exists and can Feint, Bullet Punch, Vacuum Wave and Extremespeed and we virtually never see the thing. Talonflame still has Z-move as a option.

Available priority exists in spades but the only ones who can use it are those who don't really need it.

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which z-crystal do you use in your current team?

>>31510621
>sandslash with groundium z
I didn't know this was a thing

How hard is No Guard Fissure Machamp going to fuck the meta

>>31511574
only alola borns are legal, keep up

>>31510043
>If you hadn't noticed priority is still non-existant which speaks volumes
It's not like this meta has any good priority users in first place.

What do we have? Scizor? And he's useless anyway because no tutors. Bravest Bird is super dead even without Lele. Fake Out is dead too because like the only viable ones are Hariyama and Togedemaru.

This meta is STARVED for Pokemon capable of fulfilling the most basic roles and niches, not just priority users. And not even in a "Fuck, I have to use a sub-par Pokemon to set Trick Room because all the good setters aren't usable" but more of a "There's no fucking Trick Room setters at all".

And please don't fucking say hurr there's tons of Trick Room setters on this meta, that was just one example, hyperbole, a descriptor, etc. You get the point I'm trying to express there using Trick Room as the example on my example.

twitch 13yoshi37

Markus streaming, come find out where Wolfe gets his techs

Does Imprison block your own team's moves?

Pls answer quickly, I need it for this match.

>>31512113
no

Holy shit stop putting scarf on everything

I'm gonna start running hard TR just to deal with this crap

How in hell is Scarf Pheromosa an okay thing to run

What are people running on Porygon2?

>>31512649
https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/#wcs

>>31512649
Return, Tri-Attack, Protect, Zapcannon

>>31512692
>Return
I heard somebody actually top cut a regional with Return Porygon2 to hit specially bulky things. Can't remember the specifics though
That's such a shit gimmick

>>31512716

Base 90 Attack isn't terrible, especially if you're getting a +1 boost on switch in.

>>31512734
It's base 80.

Am I the only who feels like Power of Alchemy Muk will be one, if not the biggest, late season game breakers?

It obviously isn't being utilized judging by the 2.8% usage on BS. The fact that there just isn't anything worth using with it might be a very real possibility, but I'm not so sure that's the case.

I'm thinking that with Snorlax it can still use Gluttony, or Persian for Z-Parting Shot and Fur Coat. I think Clefairy is also a little underused, and maybe that with Heal Pulse to partner with Muk/Friend Guard Muk if Clef goes down could be fun.

>>31512744

Still not horrible. Look at what a terror Talonflame was with base 81 Attack.

Yes, I understand that Talonflame has an entirely different niche, but that relative amount of power on a mon that's designed to stick around and chip away at threats is nothing to be scoffed at.

>>31512937
It's too gimmicky and situational, meaning it's not reliable enough. Also, Parting Shot doesn't make the Pokemon faint.

>>31512937
I'm a Curse black sludge set, so gluttony is useless, and poison touch is not great because I'm using Fini, so I used Power of Alchemy and given my team it's pretty good. It can get Intimidate x2, Misty Surge, Analytic or Snow Warning. Initmidate and Analytic are pretty great, and the other two are rather situational but could be useful to reset the terrain.
I don't think it will be that big, but it definitely is viable if your team has abilities that compliment it.

>>31512937
It requires a team built around it and most of the allies it would like are kind of shit.

Few Pokémon in the metagame are truly defined by their abilities, and the ones that do (weather setters, tapus) are largely only good because they themselves benefit from the ability. Muk doesn't.

In practice, designing a team for Power of Alchemy requires a lot of very specific plays to make sure that the right ally faints alongside Muk first. Placing restrictions on your playstyle puts you in very difficult situations.

Most abilities and movesets that become popular late-meta are things that people are practically unaware of, or a specific combination. People know about Muk. Unless you can think of one partner that makes it incredible, it's shit.

>>31512744
at lv50, +1 atk no investment its attack stat is 150 (similar to uninvested Garchomp's attack, and on a pokemon with immense bulk). Return is 102 BP. The meta is quite ghost/rock/steel light, the only things that resist normal in the top 10 pokes in this meta are Celesteela and Kartana.

Physical PG2 is nothing new, people used to run it in gen 3 before it even had download.

>>31512937
1. Gluttony is REALLY fucking good in this format due to the lack of things not named Tectonic Rage that OHKO Muk
2. POA requires you to lose a pokemon which is really fucking bad unless it gives you a win condition tier boost
3. It is very hard to reliably get a pokemon with the ability you want killed.

POA Muk would have been fucking godly if Azumarill was included in the regional dex instead of a dexnav pokemon. I've been destroying in battle spot with Azumuk. Z-Belly Drum on Azumarill, play defensively with Muk. If they focus Muk, they lose to Azumarill's +6 aqua jets. If they focus Azumarill, you have a Muk with fucking huge power.

Max attack Muk at lv50 has a stat of 172. With Huge Power it goes to 344. For reference, at lv100 max investment Muk has 339 attack. Base 130 atk pokes like Tapu Bulu only hit 200 with max investment at 50.

Give it some Trick Room support and it just runs through teams like nothing.

>the thread's mago berry activates!
>thread now on page 1

http://pastebin.com/wb4MsA4Z

/vp/'s official vgc viability tier list.

Debate me, faggots.

>>31515402
Krookodile and Mandibuzz are a tier too high imo. The rest I can agree with.

>>31515402
Not too far off
Celesteela A+ -> A
Tapu Fini A+ -> A
Tapu Koko A+ -> A
Araquanid A -> B
Muk-Alola A -> A+
Gastrodon A- -> A
Pheromosa A- -> B
Vikavolt B- -> B
Persian-Alola B -> B-

The C and D tiers are the sort of thing where there's a huge variety of semi-viable things. If you're bothering to list things like Kommo-o, Butterfree and Primarina, you should really be listing things like Dragonite, Slowking and Crobat.

>>31515557
crobat got completely cucked by tutors and is literally worthless, dragonite is worthless in doubles because of how multiscale works, slowking is just badslowbro still imo.

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What do you guys recommend to one-shot or at least check this creepy dude?

>>31515704
not a whole lot can ohko it but you've got plenty of options to deal heavy damage to it who don't mind taking a hit back

try garchomp or kartana

>>31515651
Serious question, not trying to be rude, but why is Slowbro considered better than Slowking?
I know it's slightly higher in usage stats, but I can't work out any reason at all other than >gen 1
Slowking can take Muk's Knock Off, Tapu Koko's Thunderbolt, Specs Magnezone's Thunderbolt and Garchomp's Tectonic Rage.
Slowbro can only take half of those and nothing significant more; it's still destroyed by Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer and practically anything Super Effective and Special.
Slowking has top cut Worlds three times, Slowbro hasn't once, yet it seems most people just default to Slowbro?

>>31515855
I guess it's just up to preference; if you value physical defense more than special defense, then you use Slowbro, otherwise you can use Slowking.

Anyone in here willing to wifi trade me a growlithe with neat egg or TM moves so I can play with one as my starter for OmegaRuby?

just found out about that Melbourne challenge. Would have loved to participate. How do i not miss more online VGC comps like this? i dont know how i couldve found it on my own.

>>31511754
>bulu worst tapu at #23
no... this can't be

ayy bank is out, cancer chanseys are legal now, and so is fake out harem lizard

>>31517782
>How do i not miss more online VGC comps like this? i dont know how i couldve found it on my own.
Make a throwaway account and follow a bunch of VGC nerds on Twitter.

>>31519540
will do exactly that

Assurance Muk and Curse Gigalith sound like fun.

http://www.trainertower.com/pokebank-changes-vgc-17/

>>31519888
Make sure to tell us whenever there's some hot spicy drama.

When do I get my Intimidate Incineroar?

>>31521940
Next year when have a format that has more than 3 viable fire types

>>31519967
both suck

>>31486001
>half of the top 4 was complete randoms
not everyone is stupid enough to get discouraged when good players win large scale tournaments that they put time into practicing for

Power Swap Exeguttor?

Fake Out Salazzle?

Let's do this shit.

>>31522343
Power Swap Eggy sucks because it has high offensive stats on both ends of the spectrum.

Salazzle is legit good though.

>>31522343
knock off mandibuzz is pretty annoying

>heal pulse clefairy

eevee strat got more annoying.

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These are usage 31-50 on battlespot.

>>31522485
Step one: Use Leafstorm

Step two: Swap your stat drops onto an opponent

Welcome to VGC 2012.

>>31522699
huh magnezone is lower than I expected

>>31522719
fuck, confused it with power trick

Is there a way to check usage statistics?

I want to know how common timid lele is, because I kind of want to get away with neutral speed Garchomp...

>>31522981
https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/#wcs