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>popplio s tier
yup

Why does everyone spell Rowlet wrong? It's not hard.

>>31433665
I'd bump Wimpod a tier. Not top tier since tou won't be getting water moves until the E4, BUT if you're playing on Set it's pretty useful when you need to bring a frail pokémon like Salazzle

autism

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>>31433648
>popplio and litten above rowlet

owlfags BTFO'd again

Water types do smash through everything pretty easily, so yeah.

>>31433648
I guess if you speedrun, sure. Otherwise it's retarded to have "tiers" for singleplayer.

Do I get streetcred for using low tier, fully evolved Alolamons to beat the E4 my first time? Or do I have to use NFEs?

I guess go big or go home. NFEs it is.
>Pyukumuku
>Bruxish
>Crabrawler
>Fomantis
>Mareanie
>Yungoos

>>31433786
It's certainly impressive if they're not overleveled.

>>31433796
I am going to round up some egg moves and seriously ev train them if I'm actually going to do this.

The last time I did a gag E4 team, I unintentionally overleveled them and it did ruin the fun completely.

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Team was pic related, without Raichu I would've been completely fucked.

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>>31433665
This. Haters BTFO once again

>Bruxish
>Psychic Fang double-STAB
>Crunch and Ice Fang pseudo STAB
>High Speed and Attack
>"a Pokemon with a lot of flaws and few appealing tools to utilize"

You lost me.

>no Mimikyu
Retarded list.
>Z splash
>kill everything
And no pokemon ingame can touch it because of Disguise.

>>31433648
>mimikyu and stufful aren't s tier
Why bother?

>>31434048
>>31434060

I counted 5 z moves that mimikyu absorbed with Disguise, that makes it S tier alone.

Not only that, but its great typing, guaranteed move and shadow sneak really cheesed my playthrough.

Seriously, mimikyu is absolute top notch.

>>31433758
there are pokemon which are more efficient to use than others. fire emburem players have made tier lists for years.

>girl mon is easiest to win with

>>31433786
But Pyukumuku is fully evolved.

>>31434258
for now

so lunala, solgaleo, and zygarde are only as viable as zubat

>>31434252
This is a problem how?

I like how S-tier has three Water Pokemon.

>>31434283

Not too surprised about Lunala. Dark types moves are everywhere in this game and Ghost isn't too rare either.

Mimikyu is absolutely broken in single player. I don't think there's anything that can stand in it's way once it has swords dance and good stabs.

Fully half of my team is weak to water, you can finish in-game with practically anything, as has always been the case.

>>31433665
This is actually really intesting, since it means Popplio will potentially be the pokemon used in SM speedruns.

>>31434775
It has already been for a while. They basically use it all the time since it's good and you get it at the start.

remember when popplio used to be regarded as the scum of the earth last summer before the evo leak

haha neither do i

>>31434035
>>31434048
>>31434060
>>31434283
Availability is also a factor. All of the pokemon mentioned here either join late, are a pain to get, or both. It's the same reason why their list for RBY has Chansey so low despite it being really good if you can actually find one.

>>31435351
Fucking justice man

>>31435351
>>31435795
I remember this place trying to turn it into another oshawott...

>>31435351
I still hate Popplio. I like Brionne and Primarina, but Popplio is ass still. I replaced mine when I got all three on my team with a Spheal until I looked up what they evolve into.

>>31435351
The sad thing is that GF clearly intended for Popplio to be the joke that no one likes. They designed the entire Popplio line with the idea that the vast majority of the fanbase would hate it, and Primarina was supposed to be shit in terms of viability both ingame and competitively.

And here we see what happens when GF tries to design a Pokemon specifically to be a shitmon. They fuck something as simple as that up and it ends up being viable instead (S tier in the ingame ranking thread and is more viable than most starters).

Think about it. Gamefreak is so incompetent that when they try to make a pokemon shit, they accidentally make it viable instead.

Too bad the game is so fucking linear that you can't even use most of them until the very end of the game, or even after you're done with it.

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>>31435921
...The fuck are you talking about?

>>31435921
Is this bait?
It has the highest base special attack of all starters, one of the best designs and certainly the best design among its other choices. Also Water/Fairy is an insanely good typing offensively and defensively.

>>31435978
I like the evo line but literally come the fuck on with "best designed"

>>31435973
>he thinks it's just a coincidence that Liquid Voice don't boost sound based moves while the Aerilate-style abilities do

>>31435921
Popplio is awful and forgettable, might as well have been a random water route surfmon. Brionne and Primarina are pretty though.

And you forgot it's signature move is ass.

>>31435921
>clearly
>citation: my fevered imagination

>>31435990
It has a better design than deviantartowl at least.

>tiering single player

literally retarded

>>31435921
>I dont like something so clearly GF wanted it to be hated
>I thought it was going to be bad, because Water starters have never ever ever been the best ones. So im going to whine that GF wanted it to be bad!
>I cannot accept that my opinion isn't fact!!!!!!!!!!

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>in game viability
>this is what smogtards ACTUALLY believe in

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>>31435921
Is this how you try to feel better about your favorite starter being worse than the Popplio line? This is sad but also really funny

>>31433684
As someone who really likes Golispod and used one in game: no. It's shit in game. Bug moves have shit coverage and if you aren't getting priority you're getting hit and forced out of battle. Golispod is really bad for in game.

>>31434240
Yes but fire emblem needs that in some games, especially ones like Radiant Dawn.
Pokemon is easy so any player can pick their favorites and win in the story, making a turbo efficiency playlist a moot point unless of course, they're speedrunners.

>>31434035
>>Psychic Fang double-STAB
>>>>>>>level 41

>Ice Fang
???

>that absurdly mediocre bulk
>>half the fucking game carries pursuit
>>Officer Nunu exists

Enjoy using Psywave for half the game or being a shitty Basculin. Basculin gets Aqua Jet is found earlier and easier, and has Adaptability.
Bruxish has... Confusion, so basically no other attacks. Doesnt even learn Leech Life

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>>31436033
They hate it. So they gave it the best typing combination in the game (or close to it), a really good moveset and the highest special attack stat of any starter. Makes sense.

>>31435921
>water/fairy
>Even maybe, possibly bad
No.

>>31436037
Speed doesn't matter on Golisopod since if you're "max efficiency" like on these lists, 3/4 moves it has will be priority. Also give it a Sitrus berry, it consumes it before it's ability activates.

>>31434035
100 Atk Bruxish Psychic Fangs vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Bewear: 66-80 (42.5 - 51.6%) -- 6.3% chance to 2HKO

This is assuming Bewear has 15 in all of its IVs and you have a neutral nature (Jolly) but otherwise perfect IV attack.
also approximate EV spread gained from not using Evelup, just generic leveling.

Level 43 Brux v level 41 Bewear.

Final boss fight,
>252 Atk Bruxish Psychic Fangs vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Bewear: 48-56 (25.6 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Bruxish Psychic Fangs vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Bewear: 56-68 (29.9 - 36.3%) -- 45.5% chance to 3HKO

Youre not getting absolutely anything done with this useless fucking fish. (Showdown does not properly code Fluffy, but its basically Dry Skin + fur coat combined)

People who try for good tier/IV/EV pokemon for a run through of a KID'S GAME are legitimately autistic.

Like resetting for starter IVs. What the fuck is wrong with them?

>>31433648
Idk, I used a team of Rowlet, Crabrawler, Komala, Grubbin, Wimpod, and Dewpider and I had no problems with the game.

Seems pointless to have a list like this for singleplayer.

What's so good about Wingul(Peliper)? I know it has Drizzle now but that can't be all.

I didn't even have a full team when I faced the E4 because I refused to use non gen 7 Pokemon and my Crabrawler evolved on Victory Road so had to be disposed of

>>31436055
Sucker Punch and First Impression are its only priority by level. First is unreliable (and shit PP), second can only be used on the first turn. Golisopod is not that great in-game.

>>31436106
Politoed had a 36% use rate in gen5 OU.

Also it's bulky and has Stockpile + Roost and good, strong attacks. It's not slow either.

>>31436122
He's asking about ingame, anon. This whole thread is about ingame.

>>31435993
It's not really a coincidence, it just would be too good if it had that. Compared to Sylveon it has double STAB that can hit both opponent (Water Hyper Voice and Dazzling Gleam), and even without the -ate bonus the damage difference is almost irrelevant:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 102-120 (58.2 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 93-109 (53.1 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If it also did more damage it would be just a way better Sylveon (imo it already is, or will be once it gets Liquid Voice) but right know it's perfectly balanced.

>>31436106
You get it early, decent speed, and it does hella damage with Drizzle.

>>31436106
I used a Pelipper in-game and it is fucking fantastic. Drizzle+Scald (an early TM) is just bonkers. It has access to Roost, Protect, Stockpile and Air Cutter/Slash/Hurricane. Water/Flying has awesome coverage and Pelipper is pretty bulky and has a decent speed.

coSMOGon

>>31436148
>>31436165
Really need to make a good Pelipper then, I still imagine it as that shitmon during gen 3.

>>31436120
Yes, but if you're consulting a viability list, it should factor in egg moves and items if anyone cared enough to check viability for the easy singleplayer story.

It worked excellent for me with no aqua jet and a near full 0IV spread as a lead.

>>31436165
Shame it's so ugly and many players regard it as a pest.

>>31436182
There are speedrunners m8. These lists are aimed at people like that. If you allow egg moves and IV checking (or even trying for natures), it defeats the purpose.

Not saying Golisopod is shit; it's not, but it ain't that hot either.

>>31436182
Making a Pokemon with egg moves leaves it at level 1.

>>31436106
Wingull has ways been a top-tier in-game mon. Now that it has Drizzle its even better

Either way, Primarina is still NU trash shitmon.

>>31436216
True. Golisopod would be awful for speedrunning. What it functioned for me as was a one hit killer. But considering it usually joins at level 17 or so, it would be awful for runners.
>>31436226
Not a problem unless you >>31436216 it. Akala is low level and has plenty of easy Pokemon to kill.

I wanna see a SM speedrun now, since the speedrunning community would presumably figure out all the tricks by then. Maybe at SGDQ.

31436302
Sorry anon. Work harder for your (yous)

>>31435921
Nah it was meant to attract girls and Arin

>3 A
>1 B
>1 C
>1 D

Pretty pleased with my team now.

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>>31435351
I always loved Popplio.

>>31435910
How can you hate this?

>>31435767
How is Chansey good ingame though? Its offensive stats are ass. Why try to stall the opponent out ingame when you can just blast the shit out of them with high offensive presence?

>>31436387
Kid

>>31436052
I think they tried to balance it. They're becoming conscious that Fairy and Water are good types and decided to give it some mediocre traits to prevent it from becoming out of hand.

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>>31436372
Popplio is too cute for this world.

>>31436421
Look at those ears. She's perfect.

>>31435990
Do you not know what an opinion is?

I think Samurott is better than both Serperior and Emboar because the other two are bland (That's not to say I hate any of them really...) and it genuinely feels like Samurott has more thought and cleverness put behind its design.

This seems sort of exceptionally pointless

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>>31436428
She really is. I don't understand how it was hated at first. Welp, all's well that ends well, right?

>>31436372
It's a forgettable, bland, and betrays the good designs of it's evolutions. It's probably the biggest reason why Primarina is the least popular.

>>31436293
Really? I usually don't pay attention to this stuff but...

>>31436111
That's because so many of them have shit encounter rates so you probably missed a lot of them. Good luck fishing for Dhelmise.

>>31436302
Kek. Primarina would never be allowed in NU.

>>31436477
Dhelmise is the easiest to find though in terms of rate. Worse is Relicanth.

>>31436335
Just because something looks feminine doesn't mean it was meant to attract girls. It's based on a mermaid which are far more iconic and known than mermen so they probably decided to just go all the way with the concept and make it very feminine.

>>31436454
I fail to see how it's forgettable when it's the first Water starter to evolve into something feminine but okay.

>>31436510
That's the thing. Primarina and Brionne are excellent but Popplio is garbage and is completely unmemorable compared to the other two first stages. It could be a non-evolving water route shitmon and nothing would change. Brionne and Primarina deserved better.

>>31436551
Your disdain towards popplio seems verry irrational.

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>>31436454
>>31436551
>forgettable
>bland
How?
Most of the hate it got was for being goofy and having its big honker, both of which are very memorable.
Brionne and Primarina would have been a lot weaker and worse off if not for the foundation Popplio built on them - it's the biggest source of personality among the trio.

Sounds to me like you just have a grudge against it.

>>31433648
>Cottonee that low
What?

>>31436551
You could easily say this about any first evolution of a starter.

First evolutions aren't really supposed to be flashy, they're supposed to be cute which I believe they all are no matter how bad their evolutions may be. Although some are cuter than others. I think Mudkip is more cute than Squirtle.

>>31436589
There's a lot of factors in play here. Like how early you can get them or if there are options just as good, and etc.

>>31436595
>Squirtle
>grows cool ear wings and fancy tail in second evo
>final evo says fuck that and throws on cannons.

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>>31436586
Honestly they all have a great personality. I'd say Brionne is the best at that, while Primarina is my favorite design-wise. Popplio is still great, and a perfect first stage starter.

>>31436571
Not really. I'm sad that it was so unnappealing and caused the line to have considerably less popularity than the spherical owl or the fire cat. There are already too many seals. Most other water starters have unique or iconic designs to attract people. Squirtle, Totodile, Mudkip, Piplup and Froakie all did. Oshawott a little less but still had a strange little "outfit" design to set it apart. Popplio has none of that, and thus no one chooses it unless they know the final evos already.
And no, they wouldn't have been weaker. Popplio has very few details and the pink nose is not enough to distinguish it as a standout design to choose. All official popularity polls reflect this as well. Give it something, anything. Maybe a little head detail, idk.
>>31436595
They're all pretty iconic and equal to the others though. Except Popplio

>>31436586
He's bitter that it made the whole line less popular. Most people only see the first stage when they choose a starter, and it isn't Popplio's fault that the other two are very appealing in their first stages.

>>31436586
He isn't wrong though. Choosing from just the design, it has much less going for it than the other two in terms of widespread appeal. Great personality but that isn't terribly apparent when picking a starter, so it gets left in the dust.

>>31436631
>2 seal pokemon lines
>1 sea lion pokemon line
Uhuh...and who gives a shit about popularity? Again you're being rather irrational over minor junk.

>>31436631
Its personality and that nose are what set me on getting my baby boy from day 1, personality alone making it the strongest water starter in my eyes. The unique traits you're talking about is its performer qualities, which it visibly has and pulls off strongly.
Really don't get your hate boner for it.

also
>Spheal family
>Seel family
that's way too many pinnipeds for another, somebody call the police

>>31436670
>who gives a shit about popularity?
Gee I don't fucking know

Maybe normal and well-adjusted people who aren't contrarians and know that 99% of the time, the popular choice is the best choice for a reason.

31436678
Mmmk Nope. No more (you)s for you.

>>31436670
Most people when comparing or discussing such things. It isn't irrational, I have provided several points as to why I dislike it.
>>31436676
Yes, but very few people see that. I hate that it drew people away from the line. Compared to the others, it has almost no design traits that stand out. It isn't a "hate boner" I dislike it for dragging down an otherwise excellent line of Pokemon. I wanted to see them succeed but Popplio is not the ideal one for that.
>>31436695
That's not me.

>>31436678
>Normal people
>Posting on /vp/

You done fuck up

>>31436676
Dude, most people can't see much of the personality at all when picking a starter. You get the designs. You get one small move animation. You get the type. Popplio has very little performer qualities until it evolves, much like Rowlet has almost nothing to do with archers and Litten has almost nothing to do with wrestling.
I like Popplio too but you aren't making much sense bruh.

>>31436670
I don't agree with him but he does present a great deal more of an argument than you. At least this >>31436676 guy points some stuff out, despite some of them being "proud of it's power" tier.

>tfw only mon I used that was above C tier was Makuhita

>>31436676
I think his hate towards it is pretty easy to "get."
He dislikes that it made his favorites less popular. That's it.

>>31436676
The strongest? Really? I like it but it didn't give off that vibe at all. Just was a kind of cute thing. I ended up picking Rowlet because sphere out-cutes the disney looking seal and I don't like cats.

>>31436787
>>31436631
>Waaah, why doesn't the herd/normies like my starter more than the other two

It's sad that you need other people to validate your tastes. Who the fuck cares what other people think?! Jesus, I hope you're the only Popplio fan like this. You sound like an ass kisser/follower who needs other people to like what they like so they feel like they fit in or some bullshit. Hell, you barely even sound like an individual right now.

>>31436862
So no argument and you just spout insults. Good to know.

>>31436862
Dude I was with you before but having a total spergout is retarded.
Some people like having a lot of other people to discuss stuff they like in real life and none of my friends chose Popplio. I had to breed mine to give them some dex filler.

>>31436862

Ignore this >>31436787

>>31436880
Your argument basically boils down to "I don't like Popplio because it's not as popular as the other two/normies don't like it so therefore I must dislike it as well."

Disgusting herd/follower mentality right there.

>>31436862
>who cares what other people think?
You sound like those people who wear only thongs in public and says that it's ok because it doesn't matter what people think.

>>31436729
I understand that, however, it not succeeding to draw everyone in doesn't really mean it deserves to be disassociated from the line nor should you really be hating it alone for that.

>>31436758
The bulk of the performer qualities were in the entries of the Pokemon site's Sun and Moon entries, so yeah I probably overestimated how obvious the traits were.

>>31436835
Just for me. I'm a bit of a personalityfag, so it really boosted the design for me.

>>31436771
help my popplio only likes to thrash about

>>31436918
Now you're just being too extreme and I have no interest in thongs.

>>31436862
>>31436903
>thread updates
>stream of screaming and shitting
>if you want other people to discuss it and appreciate with among friends you're a SHEEEP! A SHEEEEEEP!
wew.
I wanted to have other people who like it to talk to irl. All my friends chose Rowlet and ignored Popplio so I was upset that they didn't see the final line evos and dismissed it based on the mediocre first stage.
Fucking chill autismo.

>>31436946
You know perfectly well what his point is. The public don't want to see you going around wearing nothing but thongs, and the public don't want to see you pick Popplio.

Just as it's best to wear socially acceptable clothing in public, it's also best to pick socially acceptable starters.

>>31436964
this nigga

>>31436932
>decent, non-raging post acknowledging stuff without insults or such
Wow
Original guy you replied to here.
Well I hope you enjoy whatever it gets. I just thought it dropped the ball a bit and wish it was a little better.
>>31436993
It's pathetic to want friends that share the same likes as you? Dude. I didn't like Popplio at the start, but I look up the starter evos.

>>31436993
m8, you've gone way over the deep end here.
People enjoy discussing stuff they like with their friends. It's fucking human nature. If my friends hated Popplio's line based on just it, I would be bummed too. Get some friends dude and stop going full /r9k/ tier "having friends and sharing similar interests is a negative."

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>>31437021
Aye, I'm fine with that. I admittedly got a bit too defensive; there's quite a common theme of people who only like Popplio while disliking its evolutions and the reverse case such as yourself.
Just makes me sad.
The ashnime Episode 5 looks to have setup Lana and Popplio for some really good development in the future, so I'm gonna hope they don't end up flopping in that regard.

>>31437065
Any mention of starters becomes horrible.
>Popplio
>haha faggot tranny seal least popular you gay signature move heals burns wtf I hate popplio now
>Rowlet
>implying owls are birds you numale fedora piece of shit have fun with your weakass grass type NU garbage edgy edgy edgy
>Litten
>ew you fucking furry shitter liking tony the tiger why don't you go eat some cereal out of your gay tiger's butthole retard also he's slow

You can't win here.

>>31437074
Don't be sad anon, just enjoy using it, especially as a primarina in battle. Named mine Pierre.
Also yeah hopefully the anime makes more people inclined toward it.

>>31437108
Yeah, everyone is so fucking salty and defensive about their favorite. A shame, really.

>>31437141
Indeed. I'd like to blame /v/ but it's almost always been like this anyway.

>>31433665
>Fairy/Water final evolution
>Can literally sweep every Elite Four thanks to its access to Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, and Ice Beam
How can other starters compete

>>31437222
Dude we just ended a starter derailment pls no

>>31433969
that's a cool fucking team theme. I love it.

>>31433648
I'd move Zubat to S, he's a poison/flying type and getting a Crobat early on helps a lot and can easily sweep shit like Hala or Lusamine's team

>>31436009
Agreed

>>31436120
>Leech life

>>31437222
>also gets Shadow Ball, Shadow ball, Ice Beam, Ice Beam, and Shadow Ball

rowletfags and littenfags on suicide watch

>>31437365
And nothing can stop the starter derailing. Oh well.

I seen archen in A tier and immediately threw the list in the trash

>>31438447
Elaborate

>>31438640
Not him, but Archen is trash.

>>31436387
>offensive stats are ass
>135 special

ur dumb

Is the SuMo one the only one of these? I'd like to see one for BlaWhi as I'm going to replay it, maybe FiReLeGre too.

>me: why do you need all these stupid tiers? you should play with the pokemon you enjoy, not the ones you think are the "best" because of what other people use
>smogonfags: b-b-but it's just for competitive pokemon! playing competitively is just another way to play, this only applies to playing against other people and you're free to play your single player game however you want!
>me: well that's still kind of stupid, but okay
>smogonfags: btw, here's the single player playthrough tierlist. all your favorite pokemon are shit and if you don't use wingull you're a stupid casual who should die
why am I not surprised?

smogon fags are Truely cancer.

>>31439853
You're not doing it right, it's BlWh and FiReLeGr.
Personally though my favorite is HeGoSoSi

>>31440005
I don't like those because they're hard to pronounce. I can say BlaWhi much easier than I can say BlWh. Or more like it's not clear what I'm saying.

>>31439927
No one respond to this poor bait.

>>31440036
Hmm, true. I also prefer DiPePe for 4 but DiaPer is too fun for most to pass up.

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>>31436037
As someone who really likes Golisopod and used one ingame: no. It's great in game. First Impression coupled with Sucker Punch hits a sizable portion of the mons you fight; in particular Hau's Raichu and Gladion's Weavile were taken care of easily by a single FI.
And I play with set, so when Emergency Exit does activate I get to send out another Pokemon without wasting a turn. Golisopod is really great for in-game, you wouldn't know because you're a noob who can't even into competitive. Betcha play on Shift too

As long as Magnemite is available early it'll always be busted in game lol.

You don't even get to evolve this one to Magnezone until the end of the game