http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/sm-ou-suspect-process-

Too no one's surprise and with much rejoice.

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Maybe next time, sweet prince.

Good, now stop bringing that fucker at the start of every generation. It's been a pointless exercise every single time.

To absolutely no-one's surprise it got banned yet again. Why the fuck do they keep unbanning it only for it to get banned only a few weeks into the meta?

>>31283940
at least they learned their lesson with deoxys this time.

>>31283905
HAHAHAHA, FUCK YOU PIECE OF SHIT
MY QUEEN LELE NOW REIGNS SUPREME!

>>31283954
Thank fuck.

LELE NEXT

>>31283940
>>31283949
Because he's garbage in ubers and they want to see if he works in OU since he's a god-tier design and everyone loves Genesect.

>>31283905
>smogon
nobody cares
go back to your clickbait forum blog circlejerks

>>31283974
You're next cunt

>>31283905
Hooray!

Yeah, this wasn't a surprise to anyone. Except maybe the anti-ban fags in the discussion thread. Those people jump through so many hoops and perform so much mental gymnastics that you'd think you're in a fucking circus.

I tried reading through the thread to get an idea of what people think. I can't fucking do it. I honestly get triggered. ABR is supposed to be a high-ranking player or whatever, and one of the first posts in the thread is his triple fucking brain backflip special. Are these really the people we elect to be in charge of tiering?

>>31283954
>Deo-S and Deo-D
>broken in Gen 7
pick one and only one elo shitter

>>31283974
can't wait for lele to get ban

>>31283988
You cared enough to post.

>>31284001
Dude just be creative lmao
>uses genesect on half his teams

>>31284008
I've done my duty anon.
Reporting off topic threads and advertising.
No Smogon Badge for you, shill.

>>31283974
Enjoy your time with Gardevior-Incarnate while it lasts fucker. See you in a month, can't wait to type ban.

>>31284001
Fortunately most of the time the retardation gets drowned in the rest of the most rational voices.

>>31284001
ABR is a stall playing fuckhead, disregard his opinion at all times.

>>31284032
/me tips low ladder fedora

>Eligible Voters: 172
>Votes: 130

>Genesect
>Ban: 109
>Do Not Ban: 20
>CBB abstaining: 1
>Ban % = 83.85%

>60% pro-ban majority is required for either to be banned, and neither's outcome will be changed by more votes. Thus, Genesect is now banned.

What a waste of time. Genesect shouldn't have been in OU in the first place, fucking none but the OU council want the bug out of Ubers

>>31284001
High-ranking players can be retards too. Remember when a bunch of them pushed for Aegislash to come back in the middle of ORAS because "wahhh there's too much team diversity"?

>>31284055
but it's true, only a retard would want fucking Genesect in OU

>>31284032
True.

I mean, I get that the threads don't really matter. Most of the tiering decisions are made by higher-ups and upper ladder players in IC or on IRC, and the suspect threads are just a playground for the masses to post whatever and feel like they're contributing.

Sometimes I feel like I want to post and contribute, but it's so discouraging.

>>31284110
Why did they even fucking drop Genesect in the first place? Shit was obviously a bad idea after we banned him twice in a row for the same reason.

>>31283974
Lele was already S-rank OU. Now one of her main checks is dead.

She's the next one to go

>>31284133
if they didn't there would be a random retard saying "durr hurr, Genesect is shit this meta, unban" or some nonsense like that. Also I think something about three strikes I guess, Deo got his three strikes too but it got the boot at last past gen.

>>31284133
Genesect is in that awkward frontier where he's too good for OU, but not really good for Ubers. Since there's always a major powercreep each gen, it's possible one day Genesect might be OU without being broken

>>31284150
t. poll expert

>>31284182
unless something happens to fairies I seriously doubt it as the motherfucker got stronger thanks to it. Having a mon that can U-Turn with the equivalent of a Choice Band boost with no cost while also being deceptively bulky and with no exploitable weakness (as anything fire means it fucks out of there) while also having a movepool that would make Nidoking envious and that only gets better each gen tells me it's not going to get unbanned for a long time.

>>31284080
Comp players like shit like aegis because it arguably makes the game more competitive, since the centralization makes the meta more predictable and easier to prepare for. You didn't have to care for insanely strong bullshit like mega garde when aegis was there to chec it and half the meta.

>>31284050
Seriously. He isn't that good, honestly.

>>31283979
i don't like Genesect

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>>31284451

Yes you do.

F

ABR is an overrated hack and overrated player

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>>31284263
>makes it more competitive
>by limiting options

>>31283905
>99 base speed
it's shit

>>31283988
>smogon
>clickbait
Of all the buzzwords you could have easily used against him, why use the one that makes the least amount of sense?

>>31283979

>he's garbage in ubers

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-12/ubers-1760.txt

>| 33 | Genesect | 5.07073% |

Not really. You're just too dumb to know how to use him.

>>31284977
>not top 30 in ubers
>not shit
heh

>>31284808
If I understand correctly, the idea is that, if every player is using the exact same Pokémon, then it becomes more evident who's the most skillful player because your victory would depend on how well you use those specific Pokémon. I don't agree; I think a diverse meta is healthy and important, but I can understand the viewpoint

>>31284808
Yes anon, that's how it works. Think of chess. Imagine if competitive Pokemon consisted only of 6 Pokemon, each with only 1 legal moveset, EV spread, and ability, and all RNG elements were removed. The winner would solely be determined by who played smarter.
However, that's not really Pokemon anymore.

Le charmander ysed fire spin XD

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>mfw she iron heads right into my Volcarona and gets burnt\

Get good, shitters.

>Check discussion thread
>"Genesect also can run effective Expert Belt, Choice Band, Choice Scarf, Douse Drive, and sweeping sets"
>Douse Drive

The fuck? I thought all of the drives were terrible period.

Must be because of Pelipper.

>>31285090
"Ironic shitposting" is just "shitposting", faggot.

>>31285080
That sounds like VGC.
That also sounds boring as FUCK.

press F to pay respects

>>31285155
VGC this year has actually been constantly evolving, which is why there are discussion threads for it again.
VGC15 and VGC16 were total shit, though, and discussion died after two weeks.

>>31285130
he's going when move tutors are available and he get gunk shot.

Is it honestly that good? I doesn't seem to be

>>31285119
nah, douse drive hits heatran and alolan marowak

>>31285193
it's just because of u-turn
take him u-turn and it's okay

>>31285243
Will it even KO either of them out?

>>31285247
It literally plays itself. Just hit U-Turn unless your picking up a kill or you revealed coverage already. Unless your LO.

>>31285267
unless marowak is full sp.def then yeah. heatran needs a bit of prior damage, but it's not like that's hard with how much it likes to switch in on resisted hits.

How the fuck do I get these things when I miss the event

>>31283905

Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, to never be seen again!

You have shit up OU for the last time. We never have to do this song and dance again.

>>31284004

Tell me what has been introduced in Gen 7 that stops the Deo-Bros from doing their job?

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>>31283974
Hey there cutie, where you goin?

*Pursuits*

>>31285193

it has an effective 186 base attacking stat, depending on what Download boosts. It has a wide movepool for a bug and steel type and for someone that hits as hard as it does, it's fairly bulky.

Also U-Turn.

>>31285810
Run it in a rain team to cover that fire weakness and the thing just never dies while being impossible to switch into

>>31285015
>I think a diverse meta is healthy and important, but I can understand the viewpoint

Why? Diverse means that wins are matchup-based, rather than skill.

>>31283905
At Smogon HQ
>So how do we deal with top lel?
>Ban Greninja maybe?
>Use more Lando!
>Let her usage rise to 70% and call it healthy meta!

>>31285850
Suspects are done one at a time you retard. Genesect's literally just finished. Expect a Lele suspect soon.

>>31285848
>match-ups aren't important
>in Pokemon

Online battling is so cancerous.

>>31285848
Because so long as crits, move accuracy and secondary effects exist, Pokemon isn't a competitive game, so we should at least male it fun, which means more than 30 viable pokemon

>>31285848
But OU isn't matchup based right now though. There are bad matchups but they should all be winnable with a decently built team that accounts for top threats.

When Baton Pass was unrestricted, that was matchup based. You would actually win or lose at team preview.

>>31284080
>team diversity
>A bad thing
I don't want to believe that such people exist.

>>31285877
but he never said that match-ups aren't important. I mean, I still disagree with him but he didn't say what you think he did.

>>31285900
>what is vgc

>>31285935
It doesn't really help considering that's what they have to work with. They don't have a choice.

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>>31284182
And then there's Blaziken with just blaze as its ability but it gets banned because they didn't want to have complex bannings (since the speed boost ability being the other)

Considering the power creep, does Blaziken have any chance of returning?

>>31285189
He already can in Pokebank OU

>>31285935
Theres a huge difference between not wanting team diversity and not having a choice.

>>31285899
OU is still pretty matchup based when there's so many terrifying sweepers and wallbreakers.

Like, I nearly got reqs to vote (in the end, holidays got in the way,) I used a team with volcarona and most of my wins I could tell from team preview, they just had no good answers to it.

And it doesn't have to volcarona, it could be mega gyardos, or double dance lando, or SD firium garchomp, or mega pinsir. Chances are, something just beats you at team preview, it's not as bad as baton pass, but good teams with said threat are just uphill battles.

I prefer the diversity, but the fags wanting more centralization have an okay point.

>>31286036
Mega blaziken probably shouldnt even be banned

>>31285850

relax retard, Lele Suspect will be suspected down the road.

>>31286077
I fucking despise mega pinsir

>>31286036
>Considering the power creep, does Blaziken have any chance of returning?
If Blaziken can stay banned through all of gen 6, when Talonflame and priority were at their peak, their's no fucking way it's ever coming back.

>>31286146

Mega Blaziken's biggest problem is that it competes with other Megas such as Mega Lucario, Mega Gengar and Mega Salamence.

>>31286036
Blaziken got a lot of decent checks this gen but it's still probably op. Also talonflame is gone.

The entire thing about is that even if you can checks it, it can baton pass its boosts to something else. So long as there's no restriction in that, it's probably to much for OU

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>Ban % = 83.85%

>>31286146
Mega blaziken doesn't even exist anymore

>>31286218
Can it even baton pass? I thought you could only baton pass in ou if you had one boost only. So it could only pass speed, and for mega blaziken ti work in ou right now it really needs 3 moves otherwise tapu fini and toxapex counter it completely, and both are extremely common, and he has to be sent out with full hp and no rocks to even survive a tapu fini surf, while jolly blaziken 3hkos with thubder punch. But if he runs thunder punch, then he cant deal with toxapex. Pretty sure defensive lando cucks it as well.

>>31283905
Who is next?

>>31286499
Its megastone will come out later my man

>>31286499
No mega stone

>>31286508
Holy shit, the power creep is so real that Speed Boost Blaziken sounds completely average in OU. Fuck this gen man.

>>31283905
Why would they ban something that is a joke compared to Pheromosa? This proves that the only good metagame is Battle Spot. Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to play ORAS Battle Spot Singles with my Genesect (cries).

>>31286549
Its also just fighting stab not being that usefull at the moment, too many fairies running around, so he cant just run dual stab/swords dance/protect

>>31285850
Speaking of genies

>Pokebank OU Suspect 1695
>1 | Landorus-Therian | 47.74141%

>Pokebank OU Suspect 1825
>1 | Landorus-Therian | 52.83818%

Holy fucking fuck what is this bullshittery?

>>31286956

1600+, not a huge amount of people are going to be in that ranking, so for example for the usage stats for the 3 months, only like 20 people reach 1600+, and 10 of them use Lando-T.

In the 0-1500 rankings, Lando-T still has a high usage but not like 1600+ because theres a lot more people (shitters) using stuff like Decidueye.

>>31286956
U-Turn is the best move ever okay.

>>31286601
>Genesect is worse than Pheromosa in any manner this man's reality.
>He doesn't realize Genesect is almost completely superior when they the same role.
This is what Battle Spot babies truly believe. Thank God you will never get COIL.

>>31285788
>switch in counter
>it dies
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 171-202 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

>>31286038
not with battle bond which is the good set

>>31287374
>0 SpD

>>31287374
warning: extremely rare counter, donut steel
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 84-99 (23 - 27.1%) -- 60.3% chance to 4HKO

>>31287374
>0spd
>Running modest specs lele

Waste of a mon

>>31287411
>not running SDef Victini

Get on my level, pleb.

>>31284888
fuck off chaos
you're absolutely scared nintendo and pokemon will eventually notice you make money from their content

>>31286038
Ash-greninja doesn't have it which is the most used one out of the Greninja.

>>31287683
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 60-70 (16.4 - 19.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Victini: 87-103 (21.5 - 25.4%) -- 1.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
>what did he mean by this?

>>31285510
S and D aren't that much different from what they'd be in ORAS, overrated mons.
Hazards aren't anything special since at least Gen 6, several ways to remove them, Deo-D is sitting duck tier that beside spamming Thunder Wave / Taunt and hazards and Night Shade / Seismic Toss has no other use, uninvested attacks at best. Deo-S is mostly the same fast hazards setter, with mediocre offensive stats, high speed and mediocre bulk it can at least help this meta with the huge movepool it got without being overcentrilizing or insane support mon, it has access to nasty plot from an event but that ain't that much impressive either in gen 7

>>31287950
Deoxys d is basically toxapex but with better defenses, better hazards, and knock off

>>31286525
lele

>>31288020
and worse typing, no haze and an acceptable ability for a bulky support or stall mon

>>31288103
>Worse typing

Toxapex is weak to fucking eq, the most common move in the game

>>31285155
This

>>31284811

>Genesect used Rock Polish!
>Genesect used Shift Gear!
>Genesect used Extreme Speed!

>>31283979

That's not the reason they brought it down, but ok.

>>31288713
And Deoxys is weak as fuck to knock off, the most common move in the game.

>>31283905

After Lele, who is going to fuck off to ubers next?

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I'm very disappointed they didn't quickban Genesect and then suspect Tapu Lele right after.

Also can GF please stop not giving a damn about singles. It feels like all this Tapu/UBshit is a result of that mentality since a chunk of that group, mostly UBs are held back a little by needing to single target.

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>>31291805
I don't know if i'm supposed to be proud or worried.
But oh boy my ninja did it, didn't he?

>>31291805
explain

>>31292353
Lele is the one thing holding it back.

>>31284451
Because you love him.

Bumpo

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>decide to try out ubers for some legendary action
>end up fighting the most foolish opponents I've ever seen
>eeveelution team
>physical m-alakazam
>a player that tried a t-bolt on my quagsire
>sceptile with leaf blade and energy ball
Does it get better?

>>31294595
Low ladder is like that in every tier

>>31294595
Climb the ladder by shitting on them and it'll get more fun

>>31285112

>she

ummmmm genesect is genderqueer you piece of shit

>>31294739
>that name and tripcode
>that reply
If this post isn't sarcastic please cease breathing

>>31294595
Low ladder AG is genuinely one of the most hilarious experiences I've had, especially since it continues until about 1500.

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How do I kill this bird

>>31295005
Why would you want to? Killing it automatically kills everything around it, too.

>>31294595
your post legit made me laugh like a stupid fuck, but yes, Ubers is full of retards trying to run "muh bros" and then getting BTFO like the retards they are

>>31294619
I actually found that moderately low ladder Oras OU, maybe 1200-1450, was solid if unspectacular. It seemed like many teams just pulled their Mons off the viability rankings with no eye for synergy, however.

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>>31295278
>Yveltal's ability isn't perma destiny bond