http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/sm-ou-viability-rankin

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>>31281998
>C- Rank

What threat does he check to get this?

C-rank is the gimmick rank anon.
AKA unviable at high elo

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>C-

Primarina's right there with him, anon.

>>31282014
c- is a passing grade

the person with #1 ranking on showdown used decidueye for a while, never caught any of his games though

>>31281998
>literally UU: the rank
I mean I want Decidueye to be OU as well but it's just not possible anon.

>>31281998
So is Primarina it seems.

So what does that say about Decidueye?

>>31282017
Surprised Primarina wasn't ranked higher, honestly. It's basically a special Azumarill that can switch into Scalds without fearing of being burned. Not a top threat, but a pretty ok Pokémon nonetheless

>>31282022

That was in the early stages of the meta though when no one knew what the fuck they were doing. Hell, even he admitted that the only reason he got #1 was because everyone else knew nothing about the new mons

That being said it's a decent niche mon but is really UU to be honest. General opinion of the guy in the higher ladders is it's terrible (him being tiered with the dead Talonflame is indication enough lol)

>>31281998
>bravest bird is C-

I'll take 10 for things that would be laughed at a year ago

>>31281998
>As viable as Talonflame
LOL

>>31281998
> azumarill in c+
jesus christ

>>31282017
>>31282031
Primarina is overranked and will be thrown into the blacklist once Smogon realizes that Primarina is pure shit. Objectively, Decidueye is the only SM starter viable in OU.

>>31281998
Gengar in B+ alongside Toxapex.
And everyone was bitching how it would drop from OU this gen.

>>31282031
They're listed alphabetically.

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>>31281998

>Fucking Shedinja is more viable

Behold the undead bug of Anti-Meta

>Talonflame is C-
>Azumaril is C+

Honestly shitty meta desu senpai. if not for Ash-Greninja saving gen7, it would be the shittiest meta of all time

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>Feraligatr is there too
Well shit, guess I wasn't the only one who loved the d-dancing gator

>>31282104
I'm not too surprised about this one. With the focus on UBs, Tapus, and Fairykillers, there are a lot of Pokemon that aren't running Shedinja killers.

>>31282081
>Objectively, Decidueye is the only SM starter viable in OU.
LOL

>>31282081
>Decidueyefags on damage control

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>>31281998
>C-
>viable
>same rank as Talonflame even

>>31282167

Is the average Garchomp set still running Stone Edge or has it been dropped for Poison Jab/Fire Fang?

>>31282081
Fuck off, falseflagger.

Seriously what does Tangrowth do?
I know it carries Asssault Vest and Knock Off

>>31282201
It's a good tank that hits relatively hard, you run a special set so you can switch into scalds. That's it

>>31282174
>he fell for the "Talonflame is bad now" meme

>>31282214

Isn't it also a decent switch-in against Tapus?

>>31282225
>252 SpA Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tangrowth: 163-193 (40.3 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Not every tapu but yeah

>>31282081
Thanks for the laugh bro.

>>31282090
Only low elo baddies actually though Gengar was going to stay down after New Toy syndrome expired. He still needs his usage to go back up though, his attendance record is looking off.

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>>31281998
NO THIS CANT BE HAPPENING

DELET THIS

>Ash-Greninja that high

But why.

>>31282931
Literally the power of anime

>>31282918
Falseflag by OP

>>31281998
Oh boy, it's as good as Seismitoad!

>>31282931
I hope you're kidding and didn't for for the idiots says it was bad without protean.

>>31282090
>Early meta

Give it time.

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>>31281998
when the starter and monkey's HAs get released, how likely are they to go up in tier rankings in your opinion?
i can see incineroar and passimian becoming pretty damn good in UU once they get intimidate and defiant respectively
also incineroar is DEFINITELY gonna be on most VGC teams when that happens, intimidate, fake out, good bulk and one thing scrafty doesn't have: great attack
i for one welcome the inevitable rise of muscle cat

>>31282931
Force sack. MOTTO MOTTO and end the game because now you have a Mewtwo with a better typing and the best priority attack in the game on your team.

>>31282960
If Arcanine dropped to RU-level I don't think Incineroar will be UU

>>31282974
arcanine dropped too? that's news to me
i can see why though, definitely gotta be difficult being a bulky fire type with all the water threats finding shelter in their new tier

>>31282960
Dude as a VGC fag i literally can not wait for Intimidate El Tigre. It might be the most boring/vanilla HA. But it's going to be damn fucking useful. It also has a fantastic movepool.

>>31282960
>fighting type with defiant will be good.
>every defog-er outspeeds and OHKOs , or tanks and OHKOs
What did he mean by this?

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>Decidueye and Primarina have OU viability
Nice

>>31283000
he's certainly not as frail as primeape is, though he does rely on scarf to outspeed things unfortunately
CC off of a 120 base is nothing to sneeze at though, but we'll have to wait to see what new toys it gets alongside defiant. otherwise, probably gonna spend some quality time with sawk in NU or RU

>>31282223
it is bad are you fucking retarded

>>31283015
Not really though, C- is barely passing.

>>31283023
What is Flying Z crystal?

>>31281998
>seismitoad
did it get a buff?

>>31283033
something done better by most other flying types

>Shiinotic in OU

!!!

>>31282931
High speed tier, cool priority move with good BP, effective +110 BST boost (higher than any mega).

>>31283033
At that point why not just use Staraptor. Is 1/2 priority attacks, that you might not even get, because T-Flame in preview still means Rocks are going up fast, really worth it?

>>31283033
a meme

>crabominable
How

>>31283050
he's been pretty anti-meta since around ORAS iirc

>>31283099
It has a sky high attack stat and fantastic STAB. Fighting means it's not rocks weak.

>>31283136
Its literally outsped by everything with a pulse and still has 5 weaknesses, how does it use it

>>31283159
Trick Room, obviously.

>Kabutops in B-
The fuck? When did he become viable?

>>31283196
Fast water

>>31283196
The birdspam giveth, the birdspam taketh away.

>>31283159
I'd like to know this too.
I mean, it's not even that bulky, has literally no priority or anything to shore up its speed.
I don't like its design, but poor crab did not deserve this.

>>31283196
Swifty swimming.

>>31283196
Rain is really good right now

>>31283196
KokoRain is really good rn.

>>31283159
Revenge killer if it manages to tank a hit

>>31282090
It's nice that it's still viable, but how about those usage statistics? It can still drop out of OU.

>>31283196
He Swiftly Swam into OU when no one was looking.

>>31281998
Is Alolan Exeggutor so shit that it didnt even make to the list? Ill keep using him anyway but Im kinda surprised.

Was Owl always on the viability ranks or was just added?
What changed?

>torkoal C- rank

Wut
Am i being bamboozled? Is Oranguru Torkoal not viable anymore?

>>31283752
Rain strats are too common
When you see someone with Torkoal, it's too easy to switch out and then switch back in your rain setter, whereas them doing the same thing wastes extremely valuable Trick Room turns
Torkoal has to set the sun AND be the one attacking

This also relies on you even getting TR off, and not having someone *unzips priority* on your tortoise once you do

>>31283752
This is singles, imbecile

>>31283783
Really? Who cares about singles lmao

>>31281998
>C- under fucking shuckle

Holy shit my sides

>>31283099
They put all the good trick room memes in D

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>>31281998
>filename reads "trannyfags btfo"
>when said trannyseal is in the same spot

>>31283789
Nigga you clicked Smogon OU viability rankings, and you had to come back to VP to notice it's not your joke of a format?
Bait is supposed to be believable, but have a (you). Work on it.

>>31283955
Nowhere does it say singles. I just assumed it was the VGC standard. Dw tho I guess there's still enough players who still use that format lol

>>31282043
>>31282057
How is that shit ranked but not Staraptor? At this point Staraptor outdoes it since GW is not a one-time use ability

Do my eyes fucking deceive me or did they get rid of Genesect since the 30 mins I last checked this?

>>31282040
Baton passing is banned in UU so he can only do his niche in ou. He will probably drop to low ru

>>31282081
>what is intimidate incineroar

>>31282081
>Objectively, Decidueye is the only SM starter viable in OU.
Deci is barely UU material anon let alone a legit competitor in OU.

>>31284035
Genesect is banned

>>31282104
Proof that OU is turning into uber lite.

Can we just note that Crabominable beat the odds and actually cracked into OU?

>>31284196
Yes, but how did it? I assume it's on TR teams only, but if so, the why isnt Alolacutor ranked?

>>31284255
C- is UU mons with okay usage rates.
My assumption is that it's sashed and functions asuch some sort of revenge killer

>>31284255
Crab's STAB combo and power is insane, if this thing had 100 speed it'd be B+ minimum. Exeggutors STABs are mediocre and its strongest moves lower its SpA

>>31282117
back to /padt/, pedro

>>31284297
>>31284326
True, its STAB combo is fantastic along with that attack stat, but in a tier filled with Tapus, Megagross, Steela, Phero, and Skeeter, coupled with its 43 speed, I dont see how it performs well. Not even scarf can help it midgate that speed

>>31284363
It's there solely because of trick room. They always place a few TR staples in D and C-

Seriously, it murderdeaths most teams if it can get in under trick room.

>>31284363
>Not even scarf can help it midgate that speed
Why run Scarf when you can learn Trick Room?

>>31284938
Because Trick Room limits teambuilding, is generally not worth it, is a pain in the ass to maintain, and it doesn't have any good autosetters.

I'm not saying it's unviable, it's just unfeasible. What really kills it is the fact it lacks an autosetter, because that alone would put it on the same level as Drizzle and Terrain.

>>31282031
That's because it requires a lot of support to use. It's physical bulk is pathetic and without grassy terrain it dies easily against an EQ from best genie.

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someone can explain me why victini is sow low?

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>Shiinotic

>>31282104
It's part of M-Sableye stall. Of course it was going to end up there.

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>Decidueye C-
>Dhelmise D
Where are you now, anchorfags

Is Dodrio viable in RU with the buffs?
I was thinking it could run
>Brave Bird
>SD
>Jump Kick
>Knock off/Filler

What's the best way to use Torkoal? Like, a team composition and moveset.

I guess people use it now that it got Drought.

I'm kinda surprised Mega Scizor didn't drop to a lower rank if only because the metagame is so unkind to it now. Seriously, HP Fire, Lele and Magnezone are everywhere.

>>31285383
HP fire Zone has been around since gen5

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>Decidueye higher than Dhelmise
>No incineroar

NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING BROS I SPENT WEEKS SHITPOSTING AGAINST THE DAMN OWL

>>31285461
>false flagging a second time after getting called out on it once already
Wew

>>31285441
I know it's been a thing for a while. But it wasn't fucking everywhere like it is now.

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>>31283789
>VGCuck

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>Decidueye higher than Dhelmise
>Crabomniable in the viability rankings at all
>Pheromosa not S rank
I love it when /vp/ is wrong about competitive

Why is there so much shitposting and falseflagging about a dead bird?

>>31285638
anything popular on 4chan triggers the contrarians

then the non-contrarians contribute to the shitposting

>>31281998
Smogon FORCED it to be OU. It is an okay Pokemon with Baton Pass, and would've been UU. Then they went and banned Baton Pass in UU and forced Owlfags to play OU.

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>>31285705
>it's a smogon bans an entire move instead of on a few pokemon it's overbearing on episode

never forget swagger

>>31285705
>not running U-turn instead

>>31285764
This. U-Turn is literally the same except it does damage. Plus when it gets Long Reach it'll never be bothered by Rocky Helmet or whatever when using it.

>>31281998
>victini in the same tier as these shitmons

how the mighty have fallen

>>31285624
Tbh I think they are REALLY underselling Pheromosa.

>>31284097
Yes but at least him and primerina got ou viability scan, it might be c- but it's better then nothing.

>>31284076
something that doesn't exist

>>31286043
Nah.
A-rank is fine for it. It's a good mon, but there are common checks to it and it will more often than not flee with U-Turn.

>>31284196
It's not OU, being on the OU viability ranking just means it has a niche, however small, in OU. Magneton is on that fucking list, you really think Magneton is OU?

>>31285461
Suck it anchor/catfags

>>31284076
a shittier arcanine

>>31285764
Owl's best set was SD pass.

>>31286097
That was clearly a falseflag, ya dummy.

>>31285638
Might be dead but it's still kicking ass the chart will tell you everything.

>>31286123
That was also OP falseflagging to give himself a (You) ya dummy

>>31286137
>implying that post was not also a falseflag.

>>31286168
>implying that post was not also a falseflag.

>>31282186

>Fire Fang is super-effective vs Shedinja
>Actually better than Stone Edge due to higher accuracy and BP is irrelevant vs Shedi

>>31286120
eh I prefer utility

shackle
u turn
roost
defog

goes well with ghost type/long reach

>>31285461
>lower than fucking Diggersby

Kek, stay mad, owlcuck.

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>>31281998
>C-

>>31285134
RU doesn't seem to exist yet, so maybe

>>31285283
probably some combination of Rapid Spin, Yawn, SR, WoW and Fire STAB

>>31286227
RU alpha has been around for a few days now

>>31286215
Hey Niggersby is actually solid. No shame there.

>>31286215
Is Diggersby supposed to be bad?

>>31286043
Pheromosa's borderline useless against fat teams. Attemping to sweep earlygame can end up with her dead pretty quickly.

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>>31286221
>gengar and gliscor

>31286307
>gliscor

>>31286329
>

>>31286266
bad looking, yeah

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>Decidueye and Primarina chillin' in the same rank
>Baratiger nowhere to be seen
Just as I expected.

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>>31281998
>People actually thought Tony the Tiger would ever be used in OU
>Even with Intimidate, it's nothing but a discount arcanine

pic related

>>31286043
Once Mega Beedrill is released no one will use Pheromosa
Beedrill's STABs do a lot more damage than Pheromosa, and in this gen it doesn't need to carry protect anymore.

>>31284076
Arcanine but somehow worse

>>31286585
Mega slot. And no items as a result.
Beedrill also has exactly 1 set.

>>31286627
so does every Gen 7 mon

>>31281998
How good will bewear be after it gets knock off and drain punch?

>>31286627
And phero only has 2: Physical all out attacker and special all out attacker

>>31286637
But they can run a item to change what their check is in some cases. Phero and Skeeter have more than 2 viable sets at least.

>>31286684
>mixed

>>31286684
Most phero run mixed with ice beam

>>31286684
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
Pheromosa can run fully physical, fully special or mixed with a number of different items (e.g. Life Orb, Focus Sash, Choice Scarf) and it can use Rapid Spin too due to how much switches it forces. M-Beedrill on the other hand literally only has one set, which is Jolly max Attack and Speed with U-turn, Poison Jab, Drill Run and Knock Off.

>>31281998
>magnezone A-
>magneton D

What?

>>31286806
magneton is significantly faster and bulkier with eviolite

>>31286803
And that's why it'll get the boot

>>31286817
Exactly. The viablility difference

>>31286828
i thought you were asking why magneton was ranked at all

>>31282931
IKU Z!

>>31281998
>S-Rank
>Landorus-T
Every genie has been successfully removed save for him.
How do we get rid of it?

>>31284002
Do VGC players really not understand the unpopularity of doubles compared to 6v6 singles?

>>31287027
Maybe it'll finally be removed for once. It was on almost 50% of teams in the suspect test. Seriously what the flying fuck.

>caring about smogon

>>31287092
Every thread i see this exact post posted once. I wonder if it's always the same guy.

>>31287054
>50%
It's more than that ...
And high usage doesn't necessarily mean ban, it's not harming the meta in a huge way, so it'll be here.
Forever ...

>>31285003
It would be God damned almost mandatory then. Any hyper offense would be crippled as all the mons they use would become slow as molasses and be easily picked off. Not to mention weather teams would be dead too since having a swift swim or sand rush Pokémon would be a liability in that case. That's just in singles. Doubles would be even more fucked given how viable that strategy is.

>>31286388
Well it relies on its hidden ability more than either and that doesn't exist yet. It'll probably be the same as them when it gets it.

>>31287302
You wish.

This thread has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that catfags are the most cancerous faggots to have ever posted on /vp/.

>>31287302
I don't think so, bird and seal are "usable" in OU because they have a niche, cat won't even with intimidate

>>31286442
But intimidate is still unreleased so we don't know how it would fare in OU. This is currently Overgrow Decidueye and Torrent Primarina

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>>31282081

>>31285764
>>31285924
>what is pursuit

>>31287379
He's still in UU though.

>>31287329
Would anyone even run Liquid Voice Primarina?

>>31287446
>why would anyone run stab hyper voice

>>31286221
>gliscor

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>>31287446
I want this "sound based move are shit" meme to die already

>>31287473
>Why would people not use an ability to get 90 BP STAB sound moves on a mon that already has 90 BP STAB sound moves

>>31287473
only reason to get that over surf is doubles (lol who cares)

>>31287473
>what is Sparkling Aria

>>31281998
Gen 7 OU seems like a big joke. I haven't touched it in a while but if Hoopa-U and Pheromosa are only A rank then it must be complete cancer.

>>31287506
>>31287517
>>31287512
But with hyper voice you only hit enemies

>>31287526
It is, it will probably be a lot better once lele gets axed

>>31287548
ya I said doubles

Am I the only one who thinks Salazzle has a bit of a niche in OU? Being a fast toxic user (along with an ability that allows it to poison anything) and being able to downright destroy certain steel types is pretty interesting.

>>31287899
Yea. A set of Knock Off/Toxic/Overheat or Fire Blast/Sludge Wave or Disable with Sash can easily cripple a good portion of a team (assuming you know what you're doing of course.)

>>31287975
I tested out a subtoxic set on Ferrothorn (who tends to be everywhere in OU) and as anyone can guess, it HATES Salazzle. A fire blast can one shot a specially defensive one, it can be crippled by toxic (same with pokemon like M. Venusaur or Toxapex) and it resists both STABs (although Gyro Ball takes out half of Salazzle's HP). Basically, her niche is basically being able to toxic steel types that can typically be a threat as long as she outspeeds them.

>>31287899
They're getting pickier and pickier about what gets ranked, even though many mons (like salazzle) deserve it. That said, they did rank wishiwashi, so who knows.

>>31288070
Yeah I did see Wishiwashi in there. Only reason it would be there is because school form is stupidly powerful. Unfortunately it's pretty predictable and with low HP and speed, it can be killed pretty fast with certain Pokemon.

>>31288141
It doesn't help that Wishiwashi is fucked when Schooling's downside kicks in

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Isn't spooky seaweed better overall though?

Either way at least ot seems viable in UU. Was my favorite this gen and was scarred it would be a NU or PU shitmon.

>>31288141
It's probably there because of TR stuff. That's about it.

>>31286585
As a person who used Mega Beedrill to great success I can safely say Pheromosa is better in every way.
CB set deals as much damage as Beedrill, it has better coverage and more sets, not to mention beast boost can make it incredibly hard to revenge kill if it gets the ball rolling.

>>31288195
Dhelmise doesn't have recovery which holds it back some.

>>31288141
>>31288205
It's there because trick room. All the trick room abusers get put in that rank because they technically have a usable niche in OU on select teams, which is pretty much the definition of D rank.

>>31288195
Seaweed can't run the set that I assume owl is ranked for, which is the SD baton pass set.

>>31288070
I'm actually baffled that some people asked why Shedinja was even ranked. He's like, one of the most popular team players for stall that happens to wall a good portion of threats. I've seen entire teams lose just because they don't have an answer for the little bug.

Also suprised Crabobinable's ranked too. Thought everyone agreed it's only viable on Trick Room.

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>>31287446
>primarina learns boom burst

Do it gamefreak. Burn everything

>>31288238
Nobody is denying that trick room is very usable which makes those Pokemon pretty brutal.

>>31288238
>>31288240
See, crab makes sense to me as being ranked for TR. That STAB combo is sexy as all get-out, it has great abilites, and it has all the moves it needs to succeed in TR (edgequake and kind of crabhammer) bar priority. Not super surprised by it being ranked. Wishiwashi being ranked is what shocks me. The stats are good, but that movepool is garbage, and being checked and having to switch is something a TR sweeper usually can't afford since it wastes precious turns.

>>31288195
no

owl has better utility/movepool

>>31288306
>trick room

when will this shitty meme end? Trick room teams are fucking terrible and easily countered until they make a pokemon whose ability is applying it upon enter

>>31288525
It's still pretty crazy that aside from the starters, grass type Pokemon tend to have very shit movepools.

>>31282931
Sanic, great offenses, decent typing and good priority.

>>31283159
Trick room is very popular right now

>>31287506
Hyper Voice doesn't heal your opponent's burns.

>>31288541
decidueye actually has a pretty fucking good movepool even without taking into consideration it's grass typing.

It can go utility, baton pass, physical, special, or mixed (though this is a stretch).

Though its low speed means it's usually best to go utility/baton

>>31288565
And if you don't want to heal burns, use anything else. There is no reason to use Liquid Voice in singles when you can use Scald, Surf, Hydro Pump or even Sparkling Aria with Torrent. Even in doubles water Hyper Voice sounds not particularly amazing considering it gets no damage boost.

>>31288425
It doesn't really need anything more than hydro/ice beam/u-turn/HP Fire|Electric.

>>31288537
TR is pretty good this gen though, they got a TON of toys. Magearna is crazy good as a standalone mon, Mimkyu can get up TR almost guaranteed, and there's a ton of new, slow, powerful shit to use.

>>31288603
I did say "aside from starters". But yeah, the utility on Decidueye is very nice.

>>31288627
Liquid Voice Hyper Voice is just a direct upgrade of Surf since it goes through subs and doesn't hit your ally.

>>31282974
Wait, Arcanine went to RU? This literally breaks my heart. Literal bro since Red. He's always been a solidly UU that can find niches on certain OU teams.

Always loved how it was a tanky Pokemon despite it's fire typing.

>>31288702
Suicune is also RU which is just retarded. Just wait till the tiers sort themselves out, there's some incredibly good mons sitting there they shouldn't be right now.

>>31288696
The question is whether Liquid Hyper Voice even makes Primarina worth using in doubles. Maybe prebank, but there's a ton of good Hyper Voicers in Doubles that get a damage boost from their ability.

>>31288702
Gen 7 has COMPLETELY fucked up every tier. OU is Ubers lite even with Genesect gone again, UU is just Gen 6 OU: Part Deux, and RU is obviously now the new UU. Honest if this powercreep keeps up, don't be surprised if your bro Arcanine somehow ends up as a PU mon

>Pyukumuku

Based sea potato doing better than I thought it's do

>>31288743
>there's a ton of good Hyper Voicers in Doubles that get a damage boost from their ability
And those mons have their ability change HV to a type other than water, meaning they don't compete with primarina at all. No one looks for a "hyper voice users," they look for a spread attacker, which primarina is pretty good at since it gets two STABs that are spread attacks that don't hit its ally.

(also liquid voice Perish Song will activate storm drain/water absorb, so there could be some cool gimmicks with that)

>>31288702
you should count your blessings arcanine has had it better than 95% of gen 1 mon

>>31286674
Drain Punch Bewear would be aids

>>31288797
It just seems really really niche and not worth running in most scenarios. Maybe on a Rain team.

>>31288869
>really really niche
Dunno why you'd think that, it's pretty much sylveon with a bit less power but an amazing secondary typing. It's not niche at all.

>>31282090

Gengar is still viable. But apparently bad players were using Gengar as their ground resist prior to the nerf, so it's usage will go down unfortunately. It's ability was a plus for it, but wasn't really a big part of what made it good. Its power, coverage, typing, speed and stallbreaking ability is what made it good.

>>31282223

Talonflame is bad. Well, unless you're braindead of course.

>>31288900
The lower power part. That and I'm not sure how kind the game would be to it at this point. I might be wrong though.

>>31282081
You're hilarious. Decidueye is bar-none the worst of the three. At least Incineroar will eventually get intimidate at has great bulk and a great attack stat. Primarina might not have as well rounded bulk as Incineroar but its an amazing special tank and even gets access to energy ball and shadow ball like Decidueye but can actually make use of it.

What does Decidueye fucking have that the other two don't? +10 speed? La-di-fucking-da. At least the other two have way better bulk to compensate for their lack of speed. Decidueye has nothing.

>b-but muh roost and synthesis
Yeah, have fun getting one off before the opponent one shots you with any physical move. Trapping? Dhelmise does it better despite what you think the tier list says because again, it has actual bulk and a 3rd pseudo-STAB thanks to its ability.

The only, ONLY reason Decidueye is ranked so highly right now is because you owlfags keep trying to push it like its the next Greninja but its NOT. Stop trying.

>>31288141

The only reason it's on the VR is because of how good it is in Trick room. As is the same for many of the other super slow offensive mons you see on there, like Crabominable.

>>31288980
The nerf wasn't even a complete nerf since now it can absorb toxic spikes and benefit from terrains.

>>31289027
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 193-228 (56.5 - 66.8%)

252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 178-210 (52.1 - 61.5%)

It's not even that big of a difference.

>>31289031
>push it like its the next Greninja
Not him but I never heard of that shit before. The next Greninja? Don't make me laugh.

>>31287526
SCARFED PHEROMOSA

this is how bad

>>31289065
Oh believe me. Before the stats were revealed, owlfags were shitting up this board beyond imagination saying how it was going to be the next OU starter and how it would completely BTFO the other two.

Then word got out that it was legitimately the worst starter of the three and now owlfags are either A: doing damage control or B: Using Decidueye so much online to the point smogon HAS to rank it as OU, because there's this misconception about smogons ranking system that "OU and above=Competitively viable" wherein reality its based on useage. That's what the U in smogons ranking system stands for: Used.

>>31289215
That's fucking stupid. I didn't think Decidueye would suck (hell I usually expect the water starter to be the better of the trio) but I don't think it'd be amazing. I'd love to see the damage control now.

>>31289189
I know this isn't supposed to be taken seriously (at least I hope not) why would anyone put a scarf on Pheromosa?

>>31282021
Maybe in high school but not any actually respectable form of education.

>>31282021
I'm sure that's what your mommy told you before, but this is the real world

>>31288300

Unless Bank hits and Exploud is able to give that move as a Egg Move to Primarina, I'm not seeing any other way. Because they both share the Field egg group for those unaware.

>>31289215
I'm not an owlfag but, viability does not mean usage.
owl is C- on viability rating and UU in usage, all 3 starters are UU for now.
not to mention the VR is still "Preliminary" ...

>>31290084
GOTTA GO FAST

Scarfed Cockroach + Lele = FASTER

>>31290084
Scarf means you can run Adamant and get Atk boost off Beast Boost.

>>31291494
Actually, Incineroar is legible in RU alpha...
the other 2 are not.

Sadly UU banned Baton Pass, so Decidueye might go to RU or NU.

>>31287322
>Owlfags never shutting the fuck up about their "meta shattering pokebro"
>ends up in C- in viability
>"haha catfags BTFO