Convince me that gen 3 is better than the remake. Go on,

Battle Frontier

There, case closed. Move along folks, nothing to do in this thread anymore.

Its retro now

>>31215458
>Remixes sounds shittier
>No battle frontier
>No Game Corner
>Cazualised

>>31215458
>gym rematches
>Battle Frontier
>game corner
>more double battles triggered by seeing multiple trainers in the overworld
>overall higher trainer levels
>better aesthetics
>no loading screens
>no Zinnia
>no free legendary halfway through the game
>pokeblock minigame
etc

>>31215481
>Gen 3
>Something only in the last game in Gen 3 counts for all of Gen 3
Battle Frontier was shit anyway

>>31215458
The worst remake for the worst games. Makes sense.

>>31215458
It works perfectly on emulators.

emerald>oras>ruby/sapphire

The fact that emerald is still the definitive hoenn experience is quote sad.

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>>31215542
NO U

Honestly it's a hell of a lot better looking. GBA has some of the richest colors and IMHO best style in media. 3DS Pokemon is a bunch of mediocre 3D models with no real cohesion or depth.

>>31215458
It's not piss easy.

>>31215556
Someone's still pissed they couldn't keep their Charizard.

>>31215533
Right about everything but pokeblock (half wrong) and Zinnia.

While its stupid that they took out making pokeblocks completely, they were still pretty fun to make with friends. Also, Zinnia is aesthetically pleasing.

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>>31215458
Your mind is already made up and nothing can convince you, but my personal reasons for disliking the remake relative to Gen 3:

>no Frontier
>no Gym Leader rematches
>RS-style double battles instead of Emerald
>no Game Corner
>no Safari Game
>areas like Granite Cave/New Mauville made shittier
>free Lati@s five badges into the game instead of making you work for it (if they didn't want to make a roaming encounter at least make you capture it)
>Gen 6 engine is poorly optimized and tons of route gates are added
>Emerald-exclusive areas like Mirage Tower not available
>Delta Episode sucks
>>Delta Episode REALLY fucking sucks
>>>Zinnia is the worst character in the franchise her theme is good though
>insults older fans with the "Battle Frontier coming soon™!" statue I'm sure Neohoennbabbies will call that a plus for "Blowing nostalgiafags the fuck out!"
>really hit-and-miss music
>extra handholding in the form of warps
>>Petalburg-to-Mauville warp is fucking mandatory

And I really have to stress how fucking stupid that last thing is. Hoenn is fucking designed to be expanded when you get Surf. The area north of Rustboro and the entire stretch of water between Route 104 and Slateport suddenly become available, prompting the player to explore, and players who don't want to explore also have a really fast shortcut between Oldale and Mauville with the body of water to the northeast, but Ohmori somehow didn't grasp the region's design intent here and decided to literally force players to skip all that and head straight to Mauville unless they want to backtrack. It's so fucking stupid.


ORAS has a few things done better than RSE, like rival arcs and Secret Bases, and Dexnav is a great feature, but so many things are done worse than in RSE that it's no contest which is better. ORAS is the only remake that's worse to play than the third version of the originals.

>>31215602
And desaturated to hell.
Did you know that Pikachu is more of a dark eggshell than a yellow?

>>31215602
Not really, while GBA colors are better than 3DS, the DS games have the best palettes in general, especially HGSS to B2W2.

>>31215621
Nope.
Also, come up with some new material. >>31201075

>>31215621
No, someone is pissed that GF couldn't keep their quality.

>>31215678
Have my children.

>>31215678
I like this list because it's not as autistic as the "everything wrong with oras" chart.

Dexnav is amazing, which is why they removed it in Sun and Moon. Fucking gamefreak.

>>31215678
Zinnia is still better than Iris.

>>31215556
Why do you consider them the worst? To this day I'm still baffled people think Hoenn games are the worst.

>>31215787
I didn't think they were awful but they probably were my least favorite Pokemon games. Just to name a few reasons, I don't really like the design of the region, the Pokemon selection, don't give a shit about Contests, and there's no post game in RS (thankfully Emerald fixed this).

>>31215861
All right then, anon. To each their own.

>>31215861
>>31215918
What fine maturity, gold star for both of you

>>31215458
Battle frontier
Atmosphere
Mauville
Didn't look like the same game as the last (get used to this one)

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>>31215458
Having no improved or updated Emerald Battle Frontier was pretty disappointing. It definitely would have added more playtime over the Delta Episode due to the training needed for some of its challenges. No new designs for the Frontier Brains was another personal gripe, especially now with how good Anabel looks in Sun and Moon.

I went back to Emerald a few months back solely for the Frontier and its challenge and entertainment still holds up. It even got me into breeding for egg moves and EV training. Leaving it out of ORAS is a terrible shame and definitely hurts the two games overall, especially after HG/SS included more things like a new Safari Zone, and Platinum's Battle Frontier. I still love some of ORAS's features like the DexNav and Blissey bases, but I don't have much desire to replay them despite owning OR and not getting very far into it after finishing AS.

>>31215678
You cover several points I think illustrates why ORAS are poor games in general, but I would highlight some things as well.

I think the framerate difference is so distinct that it deserves a special mention. You mention unoptimized, but this matters way more than several of the other points as it is ever present in battles throughout the game.

That, and the poor visual style. I can't fathom why they decided to go with the square style when remaking something in 3D. It's not like they were afraid to change a lot of other stuff, so might as well make a visual change for the better. Hoenn was not designed for 3D, and the resulting region in ORAS is just plain ugly. The caves are perhaps the best example, but the squareness is illustrated in your image.

For handholding, add in mandatory heals during exploration on several occasions. 200 potions were not enough it seems.

It retains the utter crap that is the gen VI cries. Say what you want about the old cries, but they had more personality (duplicates ignored).

I could go on, but it's really pointless. ORAS is a spineless remake, changing things that didn't need to be changed while failing to actually reenvision the game in any appreciable way. It has no ambition, has an embarrasing level of hand-holding, poor visual style and performance. It retains several questionable balance changes introduced in gen VI that are just poor in general, a lot related to the various new exp mechanics in gen VI. The plot is the same (not really shocking), while also having the worst thing I've ever played in a pokémon game, the Delta Episode.

Oh, and no frontier I guess, but that's nitpicking compared to some of the other flaws.

Battle frontier

>>31215542
This

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>>31216690
>>31215678
Probably some of the best written posts on /vp/ in recent times

ORAS is still enjoyable, but I have low standards for most things. Still should have been a fuckton better

Much better than X and Y and just needed more time. Thanks Masuda

Emerald has a lot more content and some pretty big general stuff like the cross-sight doubles, but I'd say the more up to date core mechanics, the big new features with DexNav and Soaring, the update to Secret Bases, and everything revolving around Contest stats being made not retarded puts ORAS at least only a little below Emerald if not on par. Which is still not nearly as good as they should've been, it really needed a couple more months of development.

Anyone who thinks vanilla RS is better than ORAS is either high on nostalgia, obsessive over difficulty, or just retarded.

>>31215481
ORAS has more content than Emerald outside of the Frontier. Nice try, though.
>>31215501
>>Remixes sounds shittier
no
>>No battle frontier
ORAS has more content than Emerald, the lack of the BF was remedied well enough
>>No Game Corner
Amie minigames are more fun than the GC minigames.
>>Cazualised
nice meme, poor bait
>>31215533
>>gym rematches
ORAS has gym rematches in the form of the Battle Resort type Specialists, and Scret Bases being rematcheble Gyms in ORAS
>>Battle Frontier
see above
>>game corner
see above
>>more double battles triggered by seeing multiple trainers in the overworld
ORAS has more single battles than Emerald, though, which are better
>>overall higher trainer levels
it is the exact opposite, ORAS has overall higher levels than RSE
>>better aesthetics
>>no loading screens
control that OCD, dude
>>no Zinnia
Delta Episode is great, though, and RSE doesn´t have that. Poor bait.
>>no free legendary halfway through the game
just don´t use it. Again, control your OCD
>>pokeblock minigame
ORAS has better minigames than RSE, and more in number

Keep trying, antiORASfags

>>31215556
shit taste confirmed

>>31216833
I kinda agree. The only thing I agree with ORAS haters on is the difficulty (don't care about Battle Frontier). I had to intentionally avoid trainer battles because I didn't want to get overleveled, and I had EXP Share off. Though that might be partly my fault for battling people in Secret Bases.

>>31215575
ORAS is tied with Emerald, not behind Emerald. Nice bait, though.

No Megas
No Fairy Type
Battle Frontier
Better music
Infinitely better

>>31217201
Honestly we know we're not going to convince diehard ORASfags, but OP (You, maybe?) has created an interesting thread for the rest of us who are actually interested in discussion.

>>31217218
Sorry that you can't deal with the fact that some people don't love your favorite childhood game.

>>31215673
>Zinnia is aesthetically pleasing

We all know what you're trying to say here, anon. Just say that she has a nice rack.

>>31217201
>the lack of the BF was remedied well enough
Through what?

Exactly copping XY's battle tower 4.0+Unovas stolen battle institute? And catching legendaries?

>>31217201
>ORAS has more content than Emerald
Stopped reading here.

>>31217237
You forgot no online, no physical/special split, and no auto-repels.
You're right about the music though, which is quite sad.

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>get an urge to replay Emerald
>remember that it came out before the physical/special split

>>31217384
To be fair, there are mods that add that. Though you're fucked if you want to play your original cartridge.

>>31217358
>no online
Most people who want to battle online use simulators anyway
>no physical/special split
True, and that sucks. Thankfully that's easy to fix since there's a romhack that adds it in.
>auto-repels
I can manage. It's not a game-breaker

>>31217424
>Most people who want to battle online use simulators anyway
Battles aren't the only thing you can do online.

>I can manage. It's not a game-breaker
Fair enough. It's a problem for me since I find the water routes annoying.

>>31217439
>that´s your opinion, and is mostly wrong.
He's right about New Mauville, though it wasn't great to begin with. Granite Cave is only worse in the fact that you can't get to the second floor until later in the game, other than that it's the same.

>>31217476
I wonder if he deleted his post or if he got the boot

>>31217496
I think he deleted it himself since it wasn't finished.

>>31215678
>>no Frontier
This would be an objectuve flaw of ORAS, if it wasn´t for the fact that it is not supposed to be an Emerald remake.
And, aside of the BF, ORAS beats Emerald in content in almost all departments.
>>no Gym Leader rematches
Secret Base Gym Rematches insteadm which are better, and more in number than they were in RSE
>>RS-style double battles instead of Emerald
ORAS has more single battles than RSE, though, and those are better. At least I vastly prefer single battles, personally.
>>no Game Corner
replaced by the Mauville Food Court. Mauville ity won more content than it lost, and you know it.
Alos, Amie minigames are more, and better than GC´s minigames
>>no Safari Game
DexNav is a better Safari Zone, and the Sneaking minigame is a lot better than the Safari minigame
>>areas like Granite Cave/New Mauville made shittier
that´s your opinion, and is mostly wrong.
>>free Lati@s five badges into the game instead of making you work for it (if they didn't want to make a roaming encounter at least make you capture it)
OCD tier nitpicking
>>Gen 6 engine is poorly optimized and tons of route gates are added
OCD tier nitpick
>>Emerald-exclusive areas like Mirage Tower not available
ORAS added a lot more new areas not available in RS or Emerald. What is your point?
>>Delta Episode sucks
extra content is negative?
>>>Delta Episode REALLY fucking sucks
Extra content is a negative?
>>>>Zinnia is the worst character in the franchise her theme is good though
Not a reason to dislike a game xD
>>insults older fans with the "Battle Frontier coming soon™!" statue I'm sure Neohoennbabbies will call that a plus for "Blowing nostalgiafags the fuck out!"
control your OCD
>>really hit-and-miss music
ORAS OST is fantastic
>>extra handholding in the form of warps
nitpick
>>>Petalburg-to-Mauville warp is fucking mandatory
nitpick 2.0

>>31217316
>Stopped reading here.
You stopped reading because you know it´s true.

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>>31217439
>it is not supposed to be an Emerald remake.
Stopped reading there. You may as well say "nothing you said is a flaw because ORAS isn't supposed to be good."

Skimming through the rest of your post I saw "nitpicking" and "OCD" a few times. I left out my nitpicks. Nitpicking would be me complaining about how RSE has a rest house at Route 112, one that's still in ORAS, but ORAS also decided to create a mandatory healing spot when you meet May in a cutscene at the border of 112 and 113, which is dumb but doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the game.

>>31217440
True, trading is a vital part of these games.
I'd still say RSE are better, namely because I don't use any trade evolutions other than Alakazam.

>>31217599
Wow you are really trying to talk smack. Unfortunately you're getting nowhere.

>>31217625
Not gonna spoon feed you, but just a tip: play both games extensively before trying to debate with somebody online.

>>31217622
Secret Bases, too.

>>31217668
I barely played ORAS, what's new with secret bases? And does any of it relate to battling or is it just some tacked on decoration minigame?

>>31217657
You've got a lot of hot wind there. You really think I haven't logged hundreds of hours on both games? Being snappy and angry isn't gonna win you any battles, it's just gonna make you look like some asshole who just got fires from McDonald's and needs to let of steam.

>>31217766
and being a smartass on an anonymous board, is not gonna make your point true. ORAS does have more content than Emerald in literally EVERY department and aspect, outside of the BF vs Battle Maison.

And if you can´t see that for yourself, you either are a contrarian, or you can´t count.

>>31217766
>>31217827
Ladies, ladies, stop, you're both beautiful

>>31217732
You can recruit NPC's or copies of other players to join your and act as a pseudo gym. My favorite feature is how several players made Blissey bases with a three pokemon team of weak level 100 blisseys that will basically kill themselves for a boatload of EXP. You need the level release item in the postgame if you want to fight them at full strength in your own base.

>>31217732
Secret Bases in both RSE and ORAS let you fight the teams of people you connected with (controlled by AI obviously), and ORAS Secret Bases let you add other players to join your Secret Base (though when fought by other players they have generic teams of random Pokémon). ORAS improves Secret Bases over RSE mainly by increasing the number of trainers you'll find from Secret Bases more than one-hundredfold since you get them from casual online interaction (and from Streetpass if you live in an area where more than a few people have a 3DS).

I hate ORAS with a passion but Secret Bases were definitely done right.

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>>31217619
>Stopped reading there. You may as well say "nothing you said is a flaw because ORAS isn't supposed to be good."

I'm going to try and remember that anon

>>31217619
>Stopped reading there. You may as well say "nothing you said is a flaw because ORAS isn't supposed to be good."
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought RS wasn't good

>>31217599
It fucking doesn't, stop being delusional.

>>31217827
But does it more more post game facilities than emerald

I count 7 brand new and unique facilities (No battle tower, but Trainer Hill)

Where ORAS didn't introduce any new concepts for battles

>>31218110
>Where ORAS didn't introduce any new concepts for battles

Technically it did via horde trainer battles, but there are only two in the game and they're both so easy due to the enemy Pokémon being ~25 levels under the curve that they may as well not exist.

>>31217201
>more content is better
>battle frontier doesn't count
Okay.

>>31215458
>Convince me that gen 3 is better than the remake. Go on, I'll wait

Hoenstly this says more about you than it does the Hoenn games.

>>31217201
>ORAS has more content than Emerald outside of the Frontier

No it doesn't you fucking asshat. No game corner, no mirage tower, no gym leader rematches, no battle tents, shorter granite cave and sky pillar.

The only additional content is the legendary hunt, which is postgame, compared to emerald's postgame which is frontier. And frontier is way more playtime than that.

>>31217522
>complaining about engine problems and handholding gameplay is nitpicking

Holy shit the denial of ORASfags never fails to amaze.

>>31217522
>This would be an objectuve flaw of ORAS, if it wasn´t for the fact that it is not supposed to be an Emerald remake.

Your dumbfuck OP said "gen 3". Emerald is gen 3. Therefore gen 3 is better.

Also not an argument because HGSS included Crystal's added content, and then some. Both Emerald and HGSS set a standard for remakes that ORAS failed to live up to.

>>31215481
Battle Frontier was only one part of Emerald and overrated. Yes it's a shame they left it out of ORAS but it doesn't make Emerald a better game.

>>31218669
Frontier adds hundreds of hours of gameplay.

"Overrated" is not a criticism. Try again.

>>31218714
hundreds of hours of battles, battles, and battles
using the same team, be neurotic to make sure that you don't lost
it's overrated
but the battle factory is pretty good.

>>31218755
>using the same team

Not with rentals, with gen 6 being the first gen to not have it since emerald started it

Also the mass fucking appeal of the Frontier is how it changes battles you dense fag

>>31218755
>hundreds of hours of battles, battles, and battles
>using the same team, be neurotic to make sure that you don't lost

Nigger that's the entire fucking game. That's Pokemon. You don't use the same team, you build various teams for all the different challenges through trial and error. They're different from conventional battles and they're more challenging. It's far more compelling than the tedious daily legend fetch quest in ORAS.

>>31218798
>fag
>omg, he used fag, he must really have a point
it's your team, rentals are in the Battle factory
>how it changes battles
oh yeah, natures
it's still battle after battle after battle

>all this no game corner

you niggers know is not gamefreak fault this time. is europoor shity PEGI sistem that fuck with pokemon rating because muh gambling

actually the same will hapend with game corner in D and P remakes

>>31218815
nope.
There is much more than this. There is the adventures, finding new places, connections with the characters, your team change, your pokemon evolve, learn new moves, go on

>>31218831
As opposed to catch after catch after catch?

Battles are 90% of the fucking gameplay in Pokemon you stupid faggot, and they're much more interesting than fucking sitting there spamming pokeballs for an hour to catch today's legendary.

>>31218831
What about the concept of finding the exit against wild pokemon and trainers with only the items you find on the ground

>>31218855
This is also why I thought every game aside from RBY, RS, and XY had a better post game than Emerald. Though I'll admit Emerald's probably has more hours of content. And I haven't finished SM or ORAS yet so I can't say there.

>>31218855
What the absolute fuck are you talking about? First of all that all ties into battles, second how the fuck does ORAS contribute to any of that? All the soaring islands are completely bland, there is nothing to explore on them.

You're spewing some sentimental bullshit that has nothing to do with gameplay. Gameplay is battling and you will have a thousand times more team variety than your designated False Swiper against various legends spewing out of Hoopa's assholes.

>>31218859
>you stupid faggot
oh yeah, ORASfags are underages, I got it.
Just see the post above yours.
also, the first time you play, you don't know what you are gonna catch. THe first time you go to BF, you know what you will find: only battles.

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>>31218831
This unironically might be the most retarded thing I've read in this cesspool since it was still called /tr/

>>31218902
would be great.
But you do this again, and again, again
in the same place, same music.
it got repetitive after a while.

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>>31218755
>hundreds of hours of battles, battles, and battles

That's exactly what I want from postgame, though. What's the problem?

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>>31218831
>a bloo bloo I have to battle in a Pokemon game
What would you rather do, Amie for 30 minutes?

To be completely honest, I am so divided about whether ORAS is better or worse than the originals, and whether it is a good or mediocre Pokémon game in general.
Pros:
>Seeing Hoenn in glorious 3D is fucking nice, desu
>Better character development
>Enemy levels are higher overall
>Dex Nav
>Wally got a badass battle theme
>Most remixes I liked them better than the originals
>Also Zinnia's battle theme is my favorite Pokémon battle theme to date
>3D battles are better looking and more dinamic
>Wild Berries return as in gen 3 and 4 but even better
>A proper final battle with Brendan/May
>Wally. Got. A. Badass. Battle. Theme.

Cons:
>Difficulty is lower overall thanks to stupid new EXP mechanics (And no, I'm not talking about the Exp. Share).
>The arbitrary boundaries of the original games are even more apparent here
>Lots of areas got shortened or restricted until later on the game (or both)
>Extreme handholding gameplay in several instances
>The world feels fragmented since there are lots of loading zones that weren't there in the originals
>Not adding Emerald version's exclusive content like HGSS did with Crystal's content
>Specifically not adding the Battle Frontier
>And then they go and TEASE US with it, well knowing that they weren't going to add it in the first place.

Nitpicks:
>The Exp. Share is given to you before the first fucking gym, as a disproportionate reward, when it would've made more sense to be given out after rescuing Peeko and recovering the Devon Goods
>You get a fuggin legendary Pokémon just after the 4th gym, and you don't even fight it. At least make me fight it, or if you NEED to give it out for free, then wait until at least the 6th~7th gym

So overall I'm more inclined to say ORAS is slightly better than original RS, but the negatives certainly impacted my enjoyment of the game.

>>31218912
I'm not talking about ORAS.
And no, I don't think that ORAS is good.
I'm only saying: there is no such thing as "hundreds of hours of gameplay", like the first anon said.

>>31218921
>you know what you will find: only battles

Are you seriously this retarded? Holy fucking shit. That's like saying you know you're gonna catch a Pokemon. You don't know what battle you'll encounter, battles are fucking infinitely more dynamic than catching wild Pokemon, especially with all of Frontier's different modes.

You have clearly never even played it, or you tried it, got your ass kicked using your "one team" like a fucking idiot and now it triggers you.

>>31218997
honestly you sound way more triggered than him, anon

>>31218953
>>31218982
holy fuck, now you guys are saying that I like Amie?
What a bullshit

>>31218849
>the same will hapend with game corner in D and P remakes
And I'll complain then, too. Yeah, it's Europe's fault, but it's still content that was in the original and not in the remakes. If they replace it with a different minigame like HGSS did via Voltorb Flip, I wouldn't complain, but they didn't in ORAS.

>ORAS didn't even remix the music from the Game Corner
>DPPt's fantastic Game Corner theme likely won't get remixed

Fuck man, all 102 tracks from Crystal ended up in HGSS, even the fucking printer music, why did they become so lazy with ORAS?

>>31218990
Your list is good, the one thing you forgot is the expansion to the secret bases to fit the internet. Man I miss dem blissey bases.

>>31218997
thanks for the kek, hoennbabbie.
Just see the post above yours.

>>31218990
I forgot to add Soaring on the Latiis in the Pros

>>31219015
Yeah no shit, I'm triggered by the tremendous fucking stupidity I'm responding to. Not by battles and quality content.

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>>31219018
>What a bullshit
Also you missed the point of my post

>>31219044
I dunno why they can't just put in the game corner with the music and have some guy say "You have to be 18 or older to play here lol"

>>31219075
You missed the point of mine, so I don't care.

>>31219105
What fucking point? That battles don't count as content?

What the fuck else would they add to postgame? Moreover, what the fuck did ORAS add, and how was it more dynamic or compelling than battles?

>>31219047
Oops that as well. I loved Secret Bases.
>>31218990
>>31219052
Also another con I forgot is that Pokémon contests are virtually not improved at all, aside from removing the Contest stats cap.
...And removing the Poké Block making minigame. I loved that shit, I'm a sucker for anything that involves pressing buttons with the correct timing.

It has the easiest breeding and post game leveling in the entire series letting you access the online stuff faster than ever before.

>>31219140
Contests were cut down if anything. Blocks were casualized as hell so you could easily make perfect mons.

>>31218990
>>31219052
>>31219140
Good points, Anon. I agree.

>>31219135
>fuck used 3 times
oh anon, I'm so triggered
see >>31218992

Also, did you actually thought that I was defeing ORAS? You missed the point. I didn't say anything about ORAS, except in that post that I reply. Stop reading just what you want.
What's the problem with Hoennbabbies?

I think we can all agree these were the worst remakes
You don't see anyone arguing that RBY are better than FLG and you don't see anyone arguing that GSC is better than HGSS. ORAS is the only remake to get a sizable number of people saying the original games are better, so whether you like ORAS or not, it failed as a remake where FRLG and HGSS didn't.

>>31219152
Too bad that doesn't matter any more with the new games

>>31219254
>You don't see anyone arguing that RBY are better than FRLG
I've met a few people that do...

>>31219254
But anon HGSS did a bad keeping the level curve higher and actively making Gym leaders harder

>>31219255
This. Ever since ORAS was released I've been anticipating the day when 3DS online gets shut down and 80% of the shit ORAS fans seem to care about stops becoming accessible or becomes much harder to access.

>>31219297
The original DS only got shut down because it was run by a third party. 3DS uses the same online network as Wii U and probably the Switch so it'll be around for a lot longer.

>>31219297
It'll be up for awhile, the company doing gen 4+5's servers just tanked and shut down out of the blue so Nintendo is the owners of the servers currently.

It's not fair

I think

>>31219284
Yes, but nobody says GSC are better than HGSS. Level curve is a problem in both games because across all of these remakes Game Freak has proven too lazy to patch up vital mistakes of the game design when they don't relate strictly to the engine.
>>31219281
Are they obnoxious genwunners or people that have actually played a good bit of the series?

>>31219231
>hurr implying I like amie
>hurr implying I'm defending ORAS

Once again you're evading the point. What the fuck would you have for postgame rather than more battles and battle modes? How is Frontier not the best postgame in the series?

Again, "overrated" is not a criticism. Actually explain what's wrong with it or fuck off.

>>31219284
?????????

>>31218911
you're is the only one who understands what I was saying.
And I agree with your post.

>>31219418
You didn't "say" anything, you just threw out a bunch of vague buzzwords that don't actually translate to gameplay, or are mechanics that are tied to battle anyway.

You also never explained how other games in the series do these things better than Emerald's postgame.

>>31219381
>"overrated" is not a criticism
if you liked, what's the difference my opinion can make?
One anon who reply to me wrote well. I suggest you look for it.

>fuck off
I guess I will do this. I don't care talking to a triggered underage. Don't forget to reply to me writing fuck a lot.

>>31219478
>I have no argument: the post

Anti-frontierfags lose as always.

>>31219473
can you at least wait for me to reply?

>>31219380
Definitely genwunners, so I guess they don't count

I was cool with ORAS till they give you a free fucking Latias midway through the game. I thought XY was bad with the handholding when they gave you a gen 1 starter and a lucario but it really makes you realize just how casualized the games have been made.

>>31219498
holy fuck, I can imagine you totally triggered replying to me.
ORAS is much better, you know that :^)

>>31219499
I've given you this whole thread to reply. Why did you even post this? Why not just reply?

I don't know what festering surface web shithole you crawled out of, but you should probably go back there.

>>31219284
>>31219415
Oh, I think you mean keeping the level curve the same while making the Gym Leaders harder, right? I don't really think the latter is a bad thing but I get what you're saying now

>>31219531
>still no argument

No, really, keep going.

>>31219543
less that a minute?
I already replied to you.
enjoy your overrated BF.

Aight, I got three things I want ORASfags to answer for-

>OP Lati@as midway through the game handed to you on a silver platter.

>Mega Evolutions are fukkin dumb.

>Fairy type is fukkin dumb

>>31219577
You already know their answer, anon.
>Who cares?
>Who cares?
>Who cares?

ORAS is literally perfect according to them.

>>31219531
But he's right anon
You pretty much said that you cannot convince someone that frontier is a bad postgame if they like it
If you can't convince someone of an idea they disagree with, and are aware and accepting of such, you have no argument.
That's not being triggered, that's getting the last word

>>31219577
Are you the same person who admitted to "barely playing ORAS"?

>>31219562
soaring, Zinnia, catching legendaries.
And I love the BF project has started!
it's a finger in the face of people like you :^)

>>31219570
Replying is not the same as responding you colossal retard. You didn't respond to the points, you've done nothing but avoid them. Instead you attack tone, or deny bias, or act ask permission to reply as if you're having a verbal conversation.

You're one strange little faggot. Come back with an argument or leave.

>>31219473
As I understand this, this anon was arguing that Postgame is not only Pokémon Battles, but a little bit of exploration, interaction with other characters, further leveling up your team, and catching some extra Pokémon.

(I still think battle frontier-like facilities are great because they prepare you for competitive play)

>>31219598
>You pretty much said that you cannot convince someone that frontier is a bad postgame if they like it
Did I?

>>31219602
No he's not

>>31219618
>>31219478
>if you liked, what's the difference my opinion can make?
yes

>>31219619
This post is similar >>31217237 so I thought it was him. My apologies

>>31219577
>fukkin
Are you 13?

>>31219598
>>31219613
>>31219642
Stop with that shit.
There is no such thing as hundreds of hours of gameplay.
It's repetitive to do the same thing for hundreds of hours.
But now you prove your point. Prove that is not repetitive to do this for hundreds of hours.

>>31219603
Zinnia is a railroad through a bunch of text messages. Even Emerald's sky pillar had more actual gameplay since you had the cracked floor, wild battles and no handholding.
Again, Mirage Islands have no exploration value, they're just patches with arbitrarily distributed Pokemon.
Battling is infinitely more dynamic than catching Pokemon.

We went over all of this. You're just regurgitating your point instead of responding to the counterpoint.

>>31219602

No, I played the whole thing and then spent some time fucking around trying to collect all 69 legendaries and get a perfect Breloom. I like ORAS honestly, but its far from flawless.

>>31219577
>I wholeheartedly agree with this statement

>no u

>Fairy type is dumb but it was necessary for type balance. Although that unbalanced ghost, dark and steel in my opinion

>>31219677
yeah, yeah, whatever
see the post above yours.

>>31215458
I find leaf green fire red worse if not the same as ORAS little lack luster but not bad in anyway.

>>31219577
Fairy type was a great addition to the game because dragons were bullshit

Most megas are fucking dumb and should have been used only to make nonviable pokemon usable

I dont use legendaries so i boxed it

>>31215458
>pokemon emerald

>>31219672
Because battles are inherently dynamic, there are tons of team compositions and infinite outcomes. And Frontier has multiple modes for even more variables.

There are no variables in other postgames besides which of the 30 or so legendaries you'll encounter that day, and once you catch them it's over.

This is common sense. Battles have infinitely more variety than the alternatives.

>>31219761
For hundreds of hours?
Do you know what a hundred is?
Do you know how you can prove it? Pick you Emerald cartridge. Show me your hours of gameplay.
Actually, not only you, because showing this would you prove that you waste your time with this. Call a few friends of you and show me.

>>31219672
90% of this series is battling or influences future battling
By the time ORAS rolls around, there are over 700 Pokemon, a decent amount of which appear in the frontier as opponents
Fighting a diverse selection of opponents with dozens of complex approaches to battle strategies and a somewhat tight ruleset is literally the peak of what these games could hope to offer without the need for multiplayer.
Nearly every facet that does not eventually connect to battles is superficial and/or would never suffice as post-game content compared to the frontier.
If you think frontier is repetitive, you're doing it wrong. Experiment, there's literally hundreds of options worth trying

i like both
both is a fun time

i like neither
hoenn sucks

>>31219831
I got tired of how many times I wrote: see the post above yours.

>>31219813
>cartridge

I emulated the game ages ago.

Anyone who actually beat the entire Frontier had to have spent at least a hundred hours due to breeding and whatnot. Probably more. You're basically saying "no one has beaten the Frontier" because that entails that kind of playtime.

You're basically admitting that you've never actually put time into these modes and are talking out of your ass.

Im neutral to both of them.

>>31219887
>I emulated the game ages ago.
So, you have no proof that this could be played for hundreds of hours before got boring.
> You're basically saying "no one has beaten the Frontier"
how many time are you gonna put words in my mouth?
>ass
very mature.

>>31219930
You HAVE to play it for hundreds of hours just to beat it, unless you get insanely lucky with rolls.

Chances are if you beat the frontier, you weren't bored of it. So anyone who beat it spent that kind of time. I've even spent that much in Maison which has a fraction of the content.

This >>31219831 explains it much better than I do. "Read above" is not an argument, nothing you posted responds to what he said.

>>31219872
Nobody needs to show you numbers anon
Just process how long it would take to form more teams and try different things in the frontier.
And consider that in gen 3 there was
>RSE, all of the gen 3 'mons and a few others
>FRLG, all of the gen 1 'mons
>Colosseum/XD, the remaining gen 2 'mons
So if you got more of gen 3 you'd end up with over 350 different things to try in the battle frontier
And on top of this you might even have time spent breeding to try and make a better team by breeding in moves
All that shit because of a simple randomized opponent generator. Yes, it can be hundreds of hours.

>>31219841
>>31219858
>>31219921
and its okay to feel whichever way you feel, all valid as long as you respect others having a diferent opinion

>>31219984
>You HAVE to play it for hundreds of hours
oh yeah, overreacting again.
You have no idea what a hundred means.
Unless you give me any proof, you have no arguments.
>>31220013
>Nobody needs to show you numbers anon
Because nobody has those numbers and looks like that nobody played that game for so long.
>Yes, it can be hundreds of hours
Looks like it can't. I haven't saw any kind of proof of it.

>>31220057
>You have no idea what a hundred means.

You sound like an absolute casual. A hundred hours is nothing for a video game with a challenge mode. Just look at your steam library.

More importantly, you are only proving that you didn't invest any time in the frontier if you actually think a hundred hours is a lot for it. And again, to say that no one spent that much is to say that no one beat it. This isn't a difficult concept, I'm starting to think you legitimately have a learning disability.

Furthermore, you haven't given any alternatives to it. What have they added that's more varied and replayable than battles? What could they add? Stop evading.

>>31220057
>I haven't saw any kind of proof of it.
First: "haven't saw"
Second: Reread my post, I said it has the potential to be hundreds of hours due to breeding, transfer from other games, and general experimentation. The numbers don't matter if you have any reading comprehension.

>>31220121
>You sound like an absolute casual
And you sounds like someone who don't know what a hundread means.
>Stop evading.
I'm evading? I'm asking you to prove your post. This one >>31218714
Looks like it's actually overrated, since you thought that you played for hundreds of hours, and you realize that you don't.
>>31220167
>Reread my post
No. Show me the picture. More than one, please. Then you will BTFO me.

Dragon in my garage Niggas.
And sorry about that, I'm tired after all this discussion.
I'm almost leaving this thread.

>>31220203
>No. Show me the picture. More than one, please. Then you will BTFO me.
I don't need pictures. Prove to me that catching and breeding hundreds of 'mons across three games would not amount to well over 200 hours

>>31220203
Sorry about the "haven't saw"

>>31220234
>Prove to me that catching and breeding hundreds of 'mons across three games would not amount to well over 200 hours
Why? I never said that. Again, you are putting words in my mouth. But see your post again >>31218714 and stop evading.

>>31215458
Emerald was the best of the 5 games. You could rebattle gym leaders, battle frontier, it was literally a masterpiece. And nintendo doesn't even want our money bad enough to push a quick "Pokemon Delta Emerald" with 2 or 3 changes and make another best seller.

>>31220258
Actually anon that wasn't my post
And I wasn't saying you DID say that
I'm backing up that anon by claiming that the frontier has hundreds of hours of gameplay BECAUSE you would spend at least a few hundred getting different teams to try and beat it.

>>31220258
>I never said that

You are legitimately retarded, holy shit.

You need to spend lots of time catching and breeding mons to beat the frontier. Full stop.

If you beat the frontier, you spent that much time on it. I cannot reduce this concept any further, if this is too much for you to understand you need to go back to grade school.

The onus is actually on you to prove that you can beat the frontier without spending that kind of time on it. It's common fucking sense that you do.

>>31220312
okay.
first 200 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 1000
second
>you would spend at least a few hundred
you would not. looks like that not even you played that thing for hundreds of hours.
>>31220327
lots of time =\= 1000
much time =\= 1000
it's not hard for you to understand.
but since I'm talking to an underage, I will reply with: You are legitimately retarded, holy shit :^)

>>31220351
>1000

Why are you just throwing out random numbers now? What are you even talking about?

I need you to understand how fucking stupid your argument is, because it boils down to this:
>I can't see myself enjoying it for hundreds of hours, therefore no one could
That's how stupid you sound. Protip: an inability to see outside your own views is a hallmark of autism.

Once again: you insist that battles are repetitive and other postgames offer more content, yet you cannot list a single feature that's as varied and replayable as battles.

Okay this started out as some good-natured angry shit throwing, now it's just a pedantic rabbit hole and quibbling over basically nothing but past arguments.

>>31218050
learn to count, bitch.
>>31218110
I am saying ORAS has more content (endgame content) than Emerald overall. Not in postgame specifically.
>>31218262
>Battle Frontier is the ONLY content that counts!
Ok...
>>31218509
Amie, Super Training minigames, DexNav chaining and habitat list completions, horde battles, Soaring 38 new and unique Mirage Spots,Mauville Food Court, Battle Institute,Triple Battles, Rotation Battles, Super Secret Bases are now customizable Gyms, Delta Episode, etc, etc, etc

In conclusion, BTFO

>>31218593
engine problems are for the 3DS to blame, not ORAS, you delusional cocksucker.
And handholding is not an objective problem for a kids game, so eat a dick, edgelord.

>>31218649
ORAS has more content than HGSS, or Emerald. But keep spamming your meme.

>>31218815
you do exactly this in the Battle Maison and Institute in ORAS. And it has Triple and Rotation battles, which the BF doesn´t have,

Why is this board so stupid? Seriously, guys, buy a fucking brain or something.

>>31220351
>you would not
i dont know who you're trying to convince here. post your silver shields and time played to prove it can be done in less.

>>31220412
>handholding is not an objective problem for a kids game
Except that every fucking Pokemon game is for kids, yet the earlier ones didn't feel the need to wipe your ass for you.

Kids don't like to be infantilized, they enjoy using their brain a little. Or at least they used to. Catering to dumb kids by making a dumb game doesn't make it a better game.

>>31220398
yep

>>31220412
Triples and rotations don't compare to the game modes in frontier.

The 3DS isn't responsible for the engine, gamefreak is. And it's their fault it's an unoptimized piece of shit. RSE even managed to pull off 60fps and no screen transitions in the overworld.

>>31220453 for the handholding.

Most of those features are either superficial, are another path to the same destination like training and dexnav, or simply inferior battle modes to frontier. Mirage spots have no gameplay value, they're just pokemon/item locations. Online features for bases are a plus, but that's about it.

>>31220412
>Amie, Super Training minigames
XY content. Might as well list gen 2 content like breeding, fucking retard
>Dexnav
Okay
>Horde battles
XY game mechanic
>Soaring
Okay
>Mauville Food Court and Battle Institute
Not bothering with the fact that the Battle Institute is from gen V, and the Food Court if fucking hot garbage. And they don't make up for the fact that they removed 7 (seven) battle facilities
>Triple and rotation battles
XY game mechanic, you're fucking retared
>Super Secret Bases
Gen 3 had them too bar the online. They're going to be fucking worthless when the servers are inevitably going to shut down, though
>Delta Episode
In which you basically had to fly to various places until you catch mega fug, hot garbage

In conclusion, it's fucking nothing. Kill yourself.

>>31219044
>And I'll complain then, too. Yeah, it's Europe's fault, but it's still content that was in the original and not in the remakes. If they replace it with a different minigame like HGSS did via Voltorb Flip, I wouldn't complain, but they didn't in ORAS.
Amie is that replacement. It has more minigames, and better ones, at that.

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>>31220275
>Pokemon Delta Emerald

Still hurts.

Why are you doing this to me, anon?

>>31220665
>They're going to be fucking worthless when the servers are inevitably going to shut down, though
That's not likely to happen anytime soon.

>XY content. Might as well list gen 2 content like breeding, fucking retard
It doesn´t matter where the content first appeared. It is content available for us in ORAS regardless of if it appeared in an earlier game as well. Eat a dick.
And we are discussing GAMEPLAY CONTENT, not mechanics like breeding, so your example sucks.
>XY game mechanic
same as above: the Battle Tower first appeared in Crystal. Does this mean it doesn´t count as content in RS and DP? You are really stupid.
>Not bothering with the fact that the Battle Institute is from gen V, and the Food Court if fucking hot garbage. And they don't make up for the fact that they removed 7 (seven) battle facilities
nobody cares about your opinion. It is content and you cannot deny that.
>XY game mechanic, you're fucking retared
Same as above. It is content available in ORAS, that is not available in the game after ORAS, for example (SM removed both Triple and Rotation). Now go eat a dick for a second time.
>Gen 3 had them too bar the online. They're going to be fucking worthless when the servers are inevitably going to shut down, though
Are you aware that, thanks to QR code functionality, we are going to be able to keep getting NEW Secret Bases even when the servers shut down?
>In which you basically had to fly to various places until you catch mega fug, hot garbage
It is extra content, even if it doesn´t appeal to you.

In conclusion, you are really deluded and dumb.

>>31215780
You're thinking about anime Iris

>>31215458

>No Zinnia
>No impoved gym leaders, or gym rematches

>b-but muh typee specialist in the resort

literally no one gives a shit about those fags except for contrarian dumbasses.

>lack of double battles in the region that introduced them, while Emerald had a ton of optional ones.
>Nothing to replace the Game Corner.
>worse music overall.

>>31221095
First, game mechanics isn't fucking content you autismal sperg. Battles are the fucking CORE of the game. Breeding isn't, battle facilities aren't.
>It is content and you cannot deny that.
It is LESS content than Emerald, you stupid fuck.
>Are you aware that, thanks to QR code functionality, we are going to be able to keep getting NEW Secret Bases even when the servers shut down?
>he unironically thinks GF is going to bother with this in 8 fucking years when the servers are fucking dead
>It is extra content, even if it doesn´t appeal to you.
There's no extra content in Delta Episode, are you fucking insane? It's a badly done fetching quest in which you visit the same places as Emerald. Not only that, the fucking casualized the Sky Pillar, as if the games weren't easy enaugh.

Neck yourself.

>>31219231
>Triggered by curse words on 4chan
I understand this post was hours ago but I'm still baffled

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>>31220665
>He's right so he should kill himself

Op here, thank you to everyone who brought good replies and points. For the record I love gen 3, I just wanted people to debate. But whilst I say thank you for the good debating, I'd like to say fuck you to the people who are arguing about the dumbest shit, respect each other's opinions, you look like retards arguing about who's smarter.

>ORAS are largely hit and miss
>a lot of what was good about the originals were lost
>the things that were improved were dropped in Sun and Moon
I would've killed a man for DexNav in Sun and Moon. Being able to see what Pokemon are in an area would let you know that there's still a 5% spawn rate Pokemon around. Being able to chain from the bottom screen would let you set up SOS battles so much easier. And egg moves/perfect IVs/Hidden Abilities being detailed instead of totally hidden when chaining was fantastic.

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>>31225531
>the things that were improved were dropped in Sun and Moon
this is what pisses me off the most. I got too used to the DexNav to the point where S/M were just tedious as hell without it. It would of been perfect for all the Pokemon with low encounter rates but no, you just had to make it as tedious as possible. Eventually I said fuck it and just used the GTS for the rest of the dex.

>>31215533
>>gym rematches
>>Battle Frontier
True
>>game corner
It was always shit
>>more double battles triggered by seeing multiple trainers in the overworld
Just an early Doubles showcase
>>overall higher trainer levels
False
>>better aesthetics
Overall yes, but there are exceptions like the water. Battles are also better by a longshot
>>no loading screens
True
>>no Zinnia
Subjective and overly memefied topic
>>no free legendary halfway through the game
Beats roaming at least. Also, optional
>>pokeblock minigame
It sucked

>>31215575
They are good in their own ways. Emerald has some slick features compared to RS, but ORAS' modernised feel is top tier

>>31215678
>>Delta Episode sucks
>>>Delta Episode REALLY fucking sucks
>"game sucks because i say so"
Stay cucked then genwunner

>>31225828
Delta Episode was fun and exciting for about two minutes, then I got tired of playing a Hoenn-wide game of tag while this know-it-all bitch tried to was pilosophical and show everyone how much more super special enlightened she was.

Climax was cool in a Pacific Rim "Stupid, but also really fun" kind of way. I also liked that they implied RSE still existed rather than just sweep it aside and ignore it. It could have been done without making me Latias two twelve different towns though.

>>31225764
>>>better aesthetics
>Overall yes, but there are exceptions like the water. Battles are also better by a longshot

I think the art style of both battles have pros and cons. ORAS was dynamic and definitely looked a lot more like a real battle, but a lot of pokemon did not make the transition to 3D model very well, especially mot flying types. Also 2D>3D all day erry day.

If you like pixels like me, RSE had some of the richest colors and best sprites of the games. I remember being really disappointed by the sprites in DPPt because they looked so flat compaed to Gen3. FRLG sprites here a bit too bright IMHO but they were okay.

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Why do you faggots like the battle frontier, or anything related to a battle tower for that matter?
Why fight bullshit AI when you can rekt kids in battle spot.
Don't you have other games to play or other things to do?
I certainly enjoyed catching Deoxys in space more than any of the boring ass battle facilities.

>>31221299
>>No impoved gym leaders, or gym rematches
>>b-but muh typee specialist in the resort
>literally no one gives a shit about those fags except for contrarian dumbasses.

The Battle Resort Type Secialists were added to ORAS as an equivalent replacement of Gym Leader rematches from previous games. They are Type Specialists, like Gym Leaders, and have level 60 POKEMON ONLY (higher than most game´s Gym Leader rematch levels by the way).

This is just so /vp/ style: somebody gives proof in your face, and your only counterargument is: "I don´t like this feature, so I will pretend it doesn´t count as a feature and will pretend it doesn´t exist".

YOu are a special kind of shitposters.

>>31221580
>First, game mechanics isn't fucking content you autismal sperg. Battles are the fucking CORE of the game. Breeding isn't, battle facilities aren't.
>>It is content and you cannot deny that.
this was exactly my point, you piece of shit. Breeding is a game mechanic, NOT game content, so it is a terrible example.
Amie, Super Training minigames, Battle Maison, etc, are GAMEPLAY CONTENT, not game mechanics, which is why they do count in ORAS, or in any other game as well.

You are a really deluded antiORAS fag.

Stay mad, bitch.

>>31226134
>I remember being really disappointed by the sprites in DPPt because they looked so flat compaed to Gen3.

Interesting. I thought that gen 3 sprites looked bad compared to gen 2.

>>31228593

Honestly I think sprite preference is pretty subjective. I like RSE more than anything else, but I'm not going to believe it's the absolute best.

>>31221580
>It is LESS content than Emerald, you stupid fuck.

Emerald:
- Battle Tower
- Battle Dome
- Battle Arena
- Battle Pike
- Battle Pyramid
- Battle Palace
- Battle Factory
- Trainer Hill
- Gym Leader rematches
- Contests
- Secret Bases
- Safari game
- Game Corner roulette minigame
- Game Corner slot minigame
- Berry mixing minigame
- Trainer´s Eye rematches

ORAS:
- Battle Maison Singles, Doubles and Multi (like Emerald Tower)
- Triple Battles (not in Emerald)
- Rotation Battles (not in Emerald)
- Battle Institute (not in Emerald)
- Mauville Food Court
- DexNav sneaking minigame/ chaining/ habitat list Platinum rank completion
- Super Secret Bases (up to 30 Bases to daily rematch, as opposed to a maximum of 15 in Emerald)
- Soaring + Daily Mirage Spotts (38 of them)
- Pokemon Amie petting/feeding/ playing faces minigame
- Pokemon Amie Berry Picker minigame
- Pokemon Amie Head it minigame
- Pokemon Amie puzzle minigame
- Super Training minigames
- Trainer´s Eye rematches
- Pokemon League remacthes (Emerald didn´t have them, even though the game before Emerald, FRLG, had them)
- Battle Resort Type Specialist daily rematches
- Biggest Legendary Hunt in the series
- Delta Episode

>inb4 B-but Emerald has more Battle Tower clones and t-those are more important than minigames like Amie and Super Training!!!
But you are one of the fags that surely complained that ORAS didn´t have the Game Corner minigames from RSE as if it was a major flaw, right?

>>31228743
>inb4 B-but Emerald has more Battle Tower clones and t-those are more important than minigames like Amie and Super Training!!!
Not him but yeah, they are.

>>31228819
If they are different, sure. But if they are slightly modified versions of the same classic Battle Tower, then no. Everything in Emerald´s BF is a Battle Tower with slightly modified gimmick, except Pyramid, which is terrible anyway (please note that, while I say the Pyeramid is shit, i am still counting it as a feature, because I want to play fair and count EVERYTHING).

>>31217384
>2016
>Still doesn't know that ROM Hacks are a thing and P/S/S Split in GBA has been a thing since 2 or 3 years ago if not more.

>>31228743
>>inb4 B-but Emerald has more Battle Tower clones and t-those are more important than minigames like Amie and Super Training!!!

Saying something in a mocking way isn't going to make it any less right

>>31229368
Content is content, my frend. The only way to make the statement that ORAS has less content than Emerald, or HGSS, is buy saying "oh, but the majority of that content isn´t important". But, regardless of this, the objective fact is that there is more content in ORAS.

>>31228743
Emerald:
- Battle Tower
- Battle Dome
- Battle Arena
- Battle Pike
- Battle Pyramid
- Battle Palace
- Battle Factory
- Trainer Hill
- Gym Leader rematches
- Contests
- Secret Bases
- Safari game
- Game Corner roulette minigame
- Game Corner slot minigame
- Berry mixing minigame
- Trainer´s Eye rematches
- Mirage Tower
- Biggest Legendary Hunt at the time
- Steven in Meteor Falls

ORAS:
- Battle Maison Singles, Doubles and Multi (like Emerald Tower)
- Battle Institute (not in Emerald)
- Mauville Food Court (still doesn't make up for not implementing the Battle Frontier
- DexNav sneaking minigame/ chaining/ habitat list Platinum rank completion
- Super Secret Bases (up to 30 Bases to daily rematch, as opposed to a maximum of 15 in Emerald)
- Soaring + Daily Mirage Spotts (38 of them)
- Pokemon Amie petting/feeding/ playing faces minigame
- Pokemon Amie Berry Picker minigame
- Pokemon Amie Head it minigame
- Pokemon Amie puzzle minigame
- Super Training minigames
- Trainer´s Eye rematches
- Pokemon League remacthes (Emerald didn´t have them, even though the game before Emerald, FRLG, had them)
- Battle Resort Type Specialist daily rematches
- Biggest Legendary Hunt in the series
- Delta Episode

>b-but muh game mechanics like triple battles
>b-but muh Amie minigames
Yeah, great fucking content.

>>31215458
I can't because that's your opinion.

I simply like the remakes better because I find it difficult to go back to the rather ugly static sprites of pre-gen 5 and I like the bases better, which was something I utilized a lot in the game. I know if this gets a reply it will simply be complaining about people who like graphics, gen 5, etc. or some such thing, but that's it.

>>31215458
It isn't

>>31229783
>- Mirage Tower
-Mirage Tower is a dungeon, not content. (and it disappears forever after you take the fossil)
>- Biggest Legendary Hunt at the time
"at the time" means nothing by today standards.
>- Steven in Meteor Falls
A one time only battle that can´t be even rematched? You are aware that in ORAS you can rematch Steven indefinitely, and on higher levels than the Emerald match, right?

You look really desperate Anon.

>>31229783
>>b-but muh game mechanics like triple battles
It is not a mechanic. It is an entire battle style. Same wih rotation and Inverse. All of them in ORAS, but not in Emerald. Sorry Anon.

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>>31230875
>Mirage Tower is a dungeon, not content.
>a dungeon
>not content

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>>31230875
>a dungeon isn't content
>but shitty minigames and battle mechanics and a fetching quest with no new places are

>>31230875
>Mirage Tower is a dungeon, not content. (and it disappears forever after you take the fossil)
Not even him but you're being delusional now.

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>>31230875
>a dungeon isn't content

Why are ORASfags so godamn delusional?

>>31230914
>>31230926
>>31230942
A dungeon is no different from the rest of dungeons. It is a LOCATON, not "gameplay content".

Minigames ARE "gameplay" content, because you "play" them. You don´t "play" dungeons, for fucks sake.

Wow, this board is full of idiots.

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>>31231027
>going through a puzzle isn't content

You take the cake for being one of the stupidest people on /vp/ history

>>31231058
>more content to explore and puzzles to treverse over isn't content

Excuse me what the fuck

>>31231066
>>31231080
A big region with dozens of puzzles can still be completely content lacking. For reference: GS. There are 2 entire regions to explore, but the game is completely BARREN, due to no Battle Tower, very few rematches, etc.

Anyway, /vp/ is retarded. Not gonna argue over the obvious with you guys.

Protip: ORAS has MORE dungeons than Emerald, thanks to the 6 legebdary islands, 3 secret base islands, new underwater areas, etc. But those are LOCATIONS, not "gameplay content".

>>31231133
Can be lacking sure

But at it's definition a puzzle in content you godamn retard

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>>31231133
>>31231058
>puzzles aren't mini games

>>31231283
I meant dungeons aren´t content. Puzzles definitely are.

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>>31231027
>>31231058
>>31231133
>you don't play in dungeons
>only minigames are gameplay
>Mirage Tower has no minigame/puzzle

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>>31231439
What about this specific puzzle in the tower

About overcoming this obstacle

I feel like I'm talking to Richard

>>31231455
>>31231493
Looks, if you wanna count "region locations" as "gameplay content", and even count a one-off dungeon like Emerald´s Mirage Tower, then ok. But even then, ORAS still wins, as ORAS has more extra locations than Emerald.

Even with the desperate idea to count "region locations" as "gameplay content", ORAS still has more than Emerald. Especially since ORAS added 32 Mirage Spots, 3 new Secret Base islands, 6 legendary islands, new underwater locations not existing in Gen III, Mauville City being a lot larger, Scorched Slab being vastly expanded, etc.

ORAS beats Emerald either way.

Look, sorry, it´s not your fault being this deluded. It´s my fault for debating with /vp/tards and trying to explain you the obvious.

ORAS has more content compared to Emerald regardless of if it triggers you guys or not.

>>31231722
What new mini games does ORAS have

>>31231722
>What does Emerald have ORAS
>mirage Tower for example
>dungeons aren't content
>we're refering to the puzzles in the Mirage tower
Only mini games are content because that's what you play
>puzzles=mini game
>well whatever ORAS has more dungeons and /vp/ is too stupid for me

>>31215678
>Zinnia is the worst character in the franchise
I bet you loved Lillie.

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>>31231722
>32 mirage islands that all look and "play" the same
>one new small underwater route despite having less underwater routes than Emerald
>only 2 (two) places have actually been remade in a fucking 3D remake

>>31215458
cant we all agree that hoenn was good

>>31231908
Not him but I personally did not like either

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>>31231908
Guy you're replying to, no, I hated Lillie. Not for how she was written, I think her personality was okay, but I fucking hated how she hijacks the entire fucking game.

Still hate Zinnia more, though, because even though she barely appears relative to Lillie the time you have to endure her is infinitely more stupid. The part where she destroys the only thing that could save the world if her Rayquaza shit fails, and then immediately after her Rayquaza shit ALMOST fails (only getting saved because the PC is coincidentally there, not part of Zinnia's original plans at all), gives me an aneurysm when I think about it.

>>31215458
>better gym battles
>battle frontier
>no forced warps
>better New Mauville
>better Granite Cave
>better pokemon selection (seriously, if I want to use Xatu I'm not gonna catch an already fully evolved one. kys ORAS)
VS
>3D
>"Would you like to use another one?"
>700+ pokemon
>many more legendaries
>flying to routes
>delta episode
>expanded Mauville
>better League
>O-powers
>exp share (fuck you, it's a blessing and optional at that)
>deoxys
>infinite TMs
>More Balls
>Horde battles
>Amie
>phys/spec split
>better sound quality
>battles that don't look atrocious
>better character designs
>actual character personalities
>polished plot
>focus on lore
>online
>dexnav
>better town map
>100 billion times better rematch system
>100 billion times better bases
>soaring
>starter megas
>mirage island actually existing this time
>no caveman tier breeding mechanics
>infinite loop
>contests not being tedious af
>no "48 BP for Thunderpunch" nonsense
>no safari RNG bullshit
It's literally impossible. Sure, gen 3 has it's charm, but there is no contest period.

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>>31232386
>exp share

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>>31232386
>exp share
>O-powers
>better sound quality
>battles that don't look atrocious
>better character designs
>better character personalities
>polished plot
>contests not being tedious af

>>31232612
are you implying o-powers are bad

>>31229783
>Battle Dome
>Battle Arena
>Battle Pike
>Battle Pyramid
>Battle Palace
>Trainer Hill
All complete trash
>Safari game
RNG game
>Game Corner roulette minigame
>Game Corner slot minigame
>Berry mixing minigame
Shit
>Trainer´s Eye rematches
Inferior version
>Mirage Tower
Pointless location with noting in it

>>31232612
>>31232447
>"Lemme jys recite wat he said and slap on an epic pic! That will prove him wrong xD"

>>31232674
Epic

>Battle Maison
>Battle Institute
>Mauville Food Court
>Delta Episode
>Biggest Legendary Hunt in the series
>Pokemon League rematches
>Battle Resort Type specialist daily rematches
All complete trash
>DexNav sneaking minigame
RNG game
>Super Training minigames
>Amie minigames
Shit
>Trainer's Eye rematches
Literally the same
>Mirage islands
Pointless locations with nothing in it

>implying dungeons are content
What next, are you gonna say that Decidueye is a bird?

>>31232726
That's correct.

>>31232314
Personally I'd rather have Zinnia, at least she didn't force the whole story, from start to finish, to be about her.

>>31228005
and why waste time with 7 different battle clones differentiated only by their BS gimmicks?

>>31236166
counterpoint: lillie is not certifiably insane