What Water-types wouldn't mind giving up their HA for this

>>31206972
Lumineon comes to mind

Any Pokemon with a good Water-type attack would want this ability.

Anything with a decent water attack wishes they could have this

>>31206972
I think they should give it and waterfall to scizor.

>>31206992

Over their own. Azumarill wouldn't give up Huge Power for this, would it?

>>31206972
>Goliospod gains this as their HA
>Instant Ubers

>>31207012
Scizor, Gliscor, Crustle, and Guzzlord should get Crabhammer tbqh
>>31207014
Huge/Pure Power are probably among the few abilities that are on par/greater than Water Bubble.

>>31207014
obviously not faggot

>>31206972
Smogon has a meta called Almost Any Ability, and it's exactly what it sounds like

does anyone know if Water Bubble is banned from it

>>31207012
>loses technician bullet punch
I dunno anon

>>31206990
lumenion never comes to my mind

>>31206972
Well, going off the ability's name and how that's supposed to be justification for the benefits, the only one that comes to mind is maybe Azumarill >>31207014 or the Popplio line.

but they could just do the 'same ability, different name' thing and give it to whatever they want.

>>31207045
You can literally go on the forums and check the banlist right now.

>>31207023
>can't be burned
>Aqua Jets are fucking disgusting
>no forced retreat

somebody take me here and now

>>31207045

if it isn't yet, it will be soon

>>31206972

It's only balanced because Araquanid is so shitty otherwise.

Give to to any decent Water-type, and it becomes broken.

>>31207045
shit I just looked it up

Water Bubble is banned and so is Comatose

rip the dream

>>31207014
Wouldn't water bubbule belly drum aqua jet be better?

>>31207055
Azumarill would rather keep Huge Power. A water attack will hit as hard either way, but it would lose its offensive power for any other type, all for resisting a type it already resists even more and having a burn immunity.

>>31207036
>Crabhammer
Fuck yes.
I didn't even think of that- but yes, yes they should.

>>31207047
>loses technician bullet punch
>gains no weaknesses
>can't be burnt
I'd take it, anon.
Certainly his role would change a bit, but I'd take this change in a heartbeat.

>>31207075
>>31207085

>>31207089
dang

>>31206972
Fucking all of them pretty much, it's an absurd ability.

>>31207089
play Balanced Hackmons then.

>>31207102
Scizor has a 2x weakness to fire, Water Bubbles halves the damage of Fire Attacks.

>>31207102
Technically it's still 2x weak to Fire, but not having to worry about HP-Fire is a huge improvement.

>>31207121
252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Kyogre-Primal Water Spout in Rain (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 720-848 (102.2 - 120.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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>>31207160
dear god

>>31207160
jesus fuck

>>31207160
Jesus Christ what the fuck

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>>31207160

Palkia, Gyarados, Kingdra, Barbaracle.

>>31207160
>Chansey's Dry Skin activated!
New meta

>>31207160
>Primal Kyogre
>Choice Specs

>Water Bubble
>in Rain

what did he mean by this

Sounds like an ability that would fit Pri,arina since he's all about making bubbles

>>31207307

Rain Dance set up from another mon, duh.

Plus, the Calc is simply there to show the sheer power of the move.

>>31207100
Yeah but then it loses its monstrous Play Rough.

>>31207307
he meant holy fuck why is the fat bitch so bulky ban this shit already

>>31207307
New Format:
REALLY Anything goes.

>>31207321
Its ability creates Rain, Anon.

>>31207337
not if it has Water Bubble

Mega Slowbro

>Araquanid learns Encapsulate, a status move that changes it's target's ability to Water Bubble
How much usage does it see in doubles as a result?

>>31207344
oh shit you're right

>>31206972
He got entrainment for a reason.

More than that though what non-water types would love this ability? Anything with water coverage and a fire weakness instantly becomes a wrecking ball

252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Palkia: 164-192 (42.7 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

>>31207337
I don't think you know what Hackmons is

>>31207351
You mean entrainment?

>>31207307
In Balanced Hackmons, iirc you can just have primals and megas without the stone. So, Choice Specs Primal Kyogre is possible.

>>31207351
Is this the same as entrainment?

>>31207351
>>31207373

I hope Entrainment becomes a tutor move in the next games.

I think Golisopod would be OP with Water Bubble instead of its shitty ability it has right now

>>31207351
>>31207373
>>31207382
>>31207388
but it already gets entrainment

>>31207351
You mean entrainment and I've used it to some success in doubles. Pair it with Peliper so you get instant Rain and then switch to Oranguru for Instructed Surfs shenanigans.

>>31207089
>comatose
>banned


I'm not a comp fag, why is it banned? Is immunity to status 2stronk?

>>31206972
Primal kyogre

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Groudon-Primal V-create in Sun vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 389-458 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>31207434
Probably the Sleep Talk + Roar combo

>>31207373
>>31207382
>>31207407
>>31207419
Not him but I think the idea would be a Simple Beam/Worry Seed clone

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I bet you forgot about Floatzel

>>31207456
>tfw i wish i could ALWAYS forget about floatzel

>>31207456
Everyone did.

Swanoert

>>31207434
>is immunity to status 2stronk
duh

Imagine giving any wall Comatose
You can see why it would be banned

>>31207389
>252+ Atk Water Bubble Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 168-200 (50.2 - 59.8%) -- 85.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ Atk Water Bubble Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 100-118 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 92.3% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ Atk Water Bubble Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Fini: 96-114 (27.9 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Golisopod would do just fine. OU guaranteed.

>>31207510

Showdown Calculator doesn't factor in the Water Bubble boost yet

>>31207525
Hang on.
Are you suggesting that >>31207160 is only HALF of the actual output?

>>31207525

They recently fixed it. it now accounts for Water Bubble.

Quick question. Does anyone have a link to a good custom HG?

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>>31207500
>>31207492

>>31207334
>Wonder Guard Air Balloon Electric and Poison/Dark types

>Shadow Tag Funbro

>Scarf No Guard 1HKO moves

>Extreme Evoboost anything

>Minimize

Honestly, this would probably make me use Gyarados for something other than Intimidate spam inn terms of ability

Just going gen 7?

>Primarina, who has the shittiest Ability of gen 7
>Golisopod, who's Ability can be obstructive
>Pyukumuku, who just can't do shit

Is it really that nuts compared to adaptability

>>31207860
>giving water bubble to a pokemon that can't learn attacking moves

>>31207860
Good idea, give Pyukumuku Water Bubble to boost all of it's water attacks.

>>31207942
>>31207952
Yeah, should have mentioned that you'd have to change how Pyukumuku works in general.

>>31207434
Scarf Sleep Talk Whirlwind

>>31207904
Adaptability doubles the STAB, it's effectively a 33.3% increase in power.
Water Bubble doubles the BP of any water move, and then it applies the STAB.

Adaptability Crabhammer
100BP > STAB > 200BP
Water Bubble Crabhammer
100BP > Bubble > 200BP > STAB > 300 BP

Not to mention the other added bonuses of Water Bubble, such as fire resist and burn immunity.

>>31206972
I think Blastoise would benefit from it *way* more than it does from fucking Rain Dish. Blastoise is already built tanky, so resistance to burn and extra fire protection is nice, but the 100% boost to a hydro pump could make it hit like a ridiculous motherfucker on top of that.

>Water Bubble Slaking/Regigigas/Archeops

>>31206972
Mega masquerain
It work as a third stab
And make it not weak to fire or burn

And make sense

>>31207500
To be fair most of gen 4's Pokemon are completely forgettable shitters.

Who the fuck actually remembers shit like Lumineon? If SM hadn't shoved it in your face every time you Surfed you would've never remembered that fuck.

>>31207389
Emergency Exit ruined Golisopod for me. I was hoping to make it a mainstay member of my team, too.

>>31208490
t. Starmie

>>31208490
Is there a more cucked pokemon then lumineon? It has the whole butterflyfish theme going for it and it drops it half way. It doesn't even get quiver dance. Luvdisc even looks more like a butterflyfish, and game freak acknowledges it by putting it in all of the tropical reef scenes instead of lumineon. It can't even eat a full starmie in a game where all of the predatory pokemon decimate their prey in the dex entries. It's like they went out of their way to make lumineon pathetic.

>>31206972
Shit like this makes me question Game Freak and then we got crap like Zen Mode and Defeatist running around

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>>31209137
>when you realize Power Construct is Zen Mode done right

>>31206990
>>31207048

The fucker needs Quiver Dance first before getting anything else.

Anyways, theme-wise, Azumarill would be logical but Thick Fat already exists.

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>>31209767
Nope

power construct is shit, it is the Comp forms huge ass bulk that makes it good, power construct doesnt do anything except restrict it

comp form is even indexed as a seperate pokemon but is locked behind shit construct

>>31207456
>GF actually removed it entirely from the battle tree after being in all battle tower clones since its introduction.

Buff the damn thing already.

>>31209996
>power construct is shit
you make it sound like zen mode is good
but its still basically a better version of Zen mode

>>31206972
Seaking would probably love it the most over water veil to be honest.

Either that or Nice Horse.

>>31210051
Power Construct is the same, the only difference is that Zen mode Darmanian's alt form does not have a bigger HP stat so it doesn't recover HP at all, unlike Zygarde who's Comp form got a naturally higher HP stat. It is not part of the ability, but is triggered by the form itself.

Among 2 turds, it is power construct that shines a little more compared to zen mode.

>>31206972
Thematically it'd go to Azumarill, Vaporeon (Bubble Jet pokemon), Greninja (prevos) or Primarina. half think this was Primarina's original ability and they realised how fucking retarded that would be.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 296-350 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO
Look at this shit. And yes the showdown calc does water bubble properly now.

>>31209996
You're looking at it wrong, it's an ass powerful buff to regular zygarde, so much so it goes B- rank in ubers.

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>Wishiwashi has Schooling
>gets Defeatist as well

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>>31210088
It literally gets no ability after getting knocked down til its last 25% remaining health lol rip

>>31208490
>>31208722
lumineon is memorable for the sake of being so forgettable. it comes out actually among the most memorable forgettable mons, if that makes any sense.
for me I'll never forget it because when I played randoms in gen V it was a monster thanks to swift swim and rain dance

>>31210082
Still not the buff anyone wanted

I'm not denying that it is better now, but no one asked for a slightly better zen mode for it

Thousand Arrows is something else though, possibly the best move in the game exclusive to Jigarude-san.

Zygarde got banned to ubers anyways, but if it was a permanent forme changeable by the Cube and kept Aura Break it'd be more solid than unreliable Power Consruct. In most scenarios it will get OHKO'ed by special and sometimes physical ice moves (depending on the opponent) whether it is in its dog or snake form.

>>31210123
>slightly
Even without thousand arrows that shit is ass broke. You have to consider it like this, would you rather run an aura break zygarde or power construct one?
how about Darmanitan.

Power construct while still not as good as it could be (permanent) is at least not a net fucking negative to the base form like zen mode is.

what's the better starting form for zygarde? snake or doggo?

>>31210154
snake in 90% of cases, dog can do sub stall a little better though.

>>31207088
Can confirm. I give it to Gyarados with Entrainment. Nothing lives after a Dragon Dance. Literally nothing.

>>31210143
I'm running power construct but only because the comp form is accessible via that ability, otherwise I'd never even want to use it, especially if it was a design or Pokemon I did not like.

If power construct did not exist and we got a Z or Zygarde properly implemented in SM which is rushed at best, it'd most likely keep Aura Break or something else similar to Mega Fug and Zygarde wouldn't been this zen mode mess and would be in ubers as a S rank definitely.

>>31210190
you just don't get it do you.
>if
>should have
We're dealing with what is.

Would you run zen mode darmitan seriously? Would you run PC zygarde seriously? One of these is hindered by the form change, one is buffed out the ass by it. it is, how would one put this, zen mode but done right?

>>31208490
>Who the fuck actually remembers shit like Lumineon?


I do. But just because Lumineon has my favourite cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzpejlyhDg

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>>31210207
>Y-you are n-not allowed to speak theoretically

Stereotypical smogonfag, you just don't get it do you cunt? kys

Bet you suck game freak and masudas dick dry every damn time they release their gimmicks

>>31210241
>it doesn't work how I want it that means its unfinished!
kill yourself.

>>31207581
>>Shadow Tag Funbro
It has Block for a reason

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>>31210257
I fucked ur dad stfu pussy

>smogonfag = kys

>>31210257
fwaaa fwaaaa cwy and cwy moar u shithead little shit kys get cancer and btfo'ed

>>31206972
Blastoise. Make him even more tanky than ever before.

>>31206972
Feraligatr
Swampert
And all physicall water

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>>31207048
Damn you

>>31208350
Thanks for clearing that up

>>31208447
>And make sense
Literally how, I see no water bubbles on that thing.

So I was reading about Water VEIL and noticed that if Water Veil got passed to a burned Pokemon, that Pokemon would be cured of burn.

Does the same work for Water Bubble?

>>31210067
>Water Bubble Keldeo
Absolutely not. I refuse.

>>31206972
Definitely Whiscash