>Starting from scratch >Over a decade and billions

>>31150902
fuck you, i like them more than the originals

Klink > Magneton but not the evolutions
Seismitoad > Poliwrath but not the pre-evolutions
Noibat is better than both Zubat and Woobat.

>>31150902
>Diglett-Dugtrio counterpart isn't Drillbur-Excadrill
NANI?

>>31150902
Magnetite line are probably the best objectmons

Woobat>Zubat

The fighting types are equal except the middle forms where original wins

Vanillish wins until Vanilluxe

>>31151010
I was just using the mons people habitually object to as 'the worst' since there's no ice line in Genwun

Gen V did it right, Made a gen that was reminiscent of gen 1, but not outright pandering to it.

Gen VI and VII went overboard and jsut flat out started milking it with the shitty alolan formes and mega nonsense.

>>31150902
>No Geodude line and Roggenrola line comparisons
>No Sawk/Troh and Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan comparison
>No Solosis/Gothita and Abra/Ghastly lines comparison
>Vanillite line counterpart to Digglet line instead of Drilbur
Are you even fucking trying here

>>31151098
Fair, give me a moment

>>31151130
for anti-Gen V shitposting you're kinda bad at this

I guess everyone has to start somewhere

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Say what you will but barring maybe the monkeys, and the starters, Gen V has the best dex with the best Evolutionary lines.

>>31151074
Nah, that's where Gen 5 failed. Gens 6 and 7 are worse, sure, but it's more humiliating with Gen 5. Gen 5 tried to recapture the magic that was genwun and failed so miserablely, that GF just said "fuck it" and tried to outright copy genwun instead of it imitate it ever again. This is why BW are usually regarded among the worst Pokémon games. But that's a good thing though, or else we wouldn't have gotten B2W2, which is arguably the best game in the franchise.

>>31151189
>forgetting dragonair

shiggy???

>forgetting Seaking a literal meme
>forgetting Rhyhorn who was in big in XY

>>31151189
>Psyduck, Geodude and Jynx more memorable than Charizard

>>31151308
>Comparing starters

That is literally every gen though.

>>31151189
The monkeys arent even that bad, and it could EASILY have been solved by killing the pree-vos, OR make a three way evolution with a basic monkey.

>>31151215
memes

>>31151308
Circled the superior concept for each.

Magnemite and Klinklang are tied for being awesome

>>31151308
>comparing the fucking starters

Literally fucking retarded, you couldn't be reaching harder if you tried

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>>31151344

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>>31151191
They aren't the worst games in the series, but they do have a good amount of bad dex fillers

Most of the creative designs like the Galvantula Pic related Excadrill Haxorous Hydreigon Krookidile Reinculus Chandelure and number of others are some of the best designs in the series

Also they do succeed in improving gen 1 like designs

The best examples are probably Crustle and Bltizle

>>31151308
You could have compared the Crustle line to the Paras line instead of comparing the starters and making yourself look like a fucking idiot

>>31151377
Audino could also be Gen Vs Chansey, holy shit OP, I am literally doing your job for you

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>>31151189
>Jinx
>Over the starters, the birds, Dragonite, Memeking and Onix
>Tentacruel not as high as Tentacool
>Reverse Pokeball not as high as Literal Pokeball
>Porygon that high
>imblying I haven't caught as memorized every single one of these faggots

>>31151407
Fucking Boufflant is literally Tauros with an afro

>>31151419
Munna and Musharna are also Drowzee and Hypno

Fuck I feel like I should just do the chart, because OP has no fucking clue what he's doing

>>31151432
That's another one that trumps the fuck out of gen 1. Drowzee and Hypno are awful, but Munna and Musharna are great.

>People comparing Dugtrio line to Excadrill line
>Not comparing to the Sandslash line

Why tho

>>31151495
>comparing a mole to a shrew

>>31151308
You have your starter's placements wrong. All your other comparisons had genwun on top.

>>31151500
Fug me, I didn't realize they were related animals.

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>>31151308
You are so bad at this holy shit, just stop

>>31151612

Zebstrika = Rapidash

>>31151612
>>31151700
Don't forget Geodude/Graveler/Golem and Roggenrola/Boldore/Gigalith

>>31150902
Swoobat is gay
Klink line is great, better than Magnemite and Magneton imo but not Magnezone
Seismitoad is OK, not as good as Poliwrath
Foongus and Amoongus are way better than Voltorb and Electrode
I like both Machop and Timburr lines
I don't see how Diglett and Vanillite match up at all except for the head thing

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>>31151448

>Drowzee and Hypno are awful, but Munna and Musharna are great.

>>31151612
To be fair comparing the regional electric rodent, regional early route bird/rodent/bug, fossils, pseudo legendary and mythical legendaries isn't really fair since that happens every gen. That's like comparing the starters

>>31151098
Gothitelle counterpart is Gardevoir.

>>31151810
>Gardevoir was gen 1

>>31150902
I really hate all of those except the Magnemite line anyway


The Klink line just looks disgusting I think mostly because of the faces. I prefer Magnemite's lack of a face, also gears just look gay as fuck and it somehow manages to feel even more unnatural than a fucking ball with polarized color-coded magnets attached to it.

>>31151817
>only gen 1 can be copied

>>31151840
The entire point of the thread is that Gen V aped Gen 1, which it did. Gen 3 isnt part of this equation.

>>31151768
>fossils
Should we tell him?

>>31151845
>Gen 3 isnt part of this equation.
It is when you bring in gothitelle

>>31151833
>also gears just look gay as fuck

As an engineering major and a steampunk enthusiast, i destest you sir.

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>>31151612
>>31151741
desu, I prefer some of the Gen V ones over the Gen 1 ones like Hydreigon, chandelure, Scolipede, Musharna, and Swoobat.

>>31151872
>liking Woobat line more than Zubat line
literal crime

>>31151612
Scraggy and Scrafty for Mankey and Primape

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>>31150902
>Gen 1 designs
>Satoshi Tajiri loved wildlife and bug collecting so most pokemon looked psuedorealistic even though some looked artificial and manmade like voltorb/magnemite
>Gen 5
>Most pokemon look like soulless plastic toys with stickers for eyes like tympole/ice cream cone/trash bag. Just look how fucktarded the Timburr line looks compared to earlier pokemon, they look like low quality Chinese bootleg Digimon.

BW did it right: have a bunch of new Pokemon dominate the main game and then reintroduce old Pokemon in post-game. The point was to make the game feel like it was taking place far away from the first 4 regions.

However, making so many "this is American Geodude"-type lines was a mistake.

>>31151833
What if I told you that they look like Solrock?

>>31151886
Literally Crobat is the only good one from the line and you know it.

>>31151903
>Plastic toys
I have to agree on this one.

>>31151957
>A childrens series that sells on video game merchandise and plastic childrens toys suddenly looks like children's merchandise

STOP THE PRESSES!

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>>31151612
I don't even like most of these to begin with so take my shit opinion you never asked for with a grain of salt

>>31151970
>a series that started based on love of wildlife and creativity turned the creatures into something dead-eyed and more easy to mass-produce for toys

shiggy

>>31151612
poliwrath line, hitmonlee/hitmoncham, muk line are the only ones better than the gen 5 counterpark in this pic

boldore line>geodude line as well
scraggy line=mankey line

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>>31151973
>Hating omanyte

How. Literally how you monster.

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>>31151973
>Having taste this bad

>>31151970
The point is that Satoshi Tajiri made gen 1 designs special. Gamefreak made the Pokemon look progressively more like plastic neopets with every generation. Just look at new Pokémon redesigned in gen 1 style by fan artists and they look 100x better.

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>>31151612

>>31151996
and magneton line

>>31151996
>liking patrat, shit goth, and klink

whaddafuck

>>31151986
Whoa there buddy turn down that projectio autismo

Pokemon is and has always been a marketable toy franchise, it'd be dead in the water if not for its toy lines in the 90s.

No company would have picked it up if not for the toys. No kid would have bothered playing the videogame if not for the toys.

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>>31151612
Tbh the only Pokemon on that chart I don't really like are Hydreigon (can't get over his stupid legs), Tympole (eyebrow-things) and Swoobat (guessing it has real life inspiration but it failed). Gothita's kind of meh as well.

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>>31151997
I really just don't like omastar, OG's alright
I like the litwick line too, and I can appreciate hydreigon sometimes.

>>31152005
>having a mother that didn't abort you
Fight me shitter

>>31151973
>Disliking choke and champ
>Liking Butterfree and non-Mega Beedrill
>N O T L I K I N G T H E D O U N U T D U O
>Disliking hitmons
>Disliking mew
>Disliking the LITwik line
HOLY FAK,IT'S THE FIRST DAY OF 2017,AND THERE'S ALEREADY SHIT TASTE

>>31151973
>Litwick line shit
Bad Taste anon
>Seismatoad line shit
I'll give this to you, but Seismatoad, he is better than angery poliwhirl

>>31152043
with better moves too

>>31151612
Isn't Alakazam's counterpart line Reuniclus? Solosis and Abra even have the same SpA.

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>>31152011
>liking rattata over watchog
>liking Conkeldurr over Machamp
>liking Beedrill over Scolipede
Otherwise decent taste

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>>31152017
>No kid would have bothered playing the videogame if not for the toys
trading cards yes toys no

>>31152064
>>31152017
Yeah I knew about the cards way before the toys and while mass-produced, a lot of them had very nice art on them I also liked the ones superimposed on real shit because I was a little kid and OH MAYBE THIS MEANS POKEMON ARE REAL

>>31151308
>Anyone picking Diglett over Drillbur line

THE MOST SUB OF SUBHUMANS

>>31152010
>The point is that Satoshi Tajiri made gen 1 designs special.
Maybe
>I like them better because i grew with them
More likely
>Gamefreak made the Pokemon look progressively more like plastic neopets with every generation.
There's some that look like shit, but there's also a lot of really good designs.
>Just look at new Pokémon redesigned in gen 1 style by fan artists and they look 100x better.
There's some that look good, but there's also a lot of really fucking shitty designs

>>31152010
It's because he stopped working on pokemon after Gen 2. He became the head of GF afterwards.

>>31151855
*nearly every gen

>>31150902
Missing Magnezone

>>31152043
It was hard shitting on Litwick desu I like them both, but I ultimately prefer the more "natural" (I mean, as natural as you can get in a fucking cartoon) appearance of the Gastly line, I'm just not usually into stuff with an overly artificial theme.

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>>31152011
>Liking Wimpod's grandpa over based Archeops

>>31152125
Probably why Gen II is the best designed Gen all around

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>>31152119
>There are really shit redesigns as well!
Personality erased and replaced. I agree.

>>31152163
Both of them.

>>31152156
He probably wanted to leave the series with a blast. And he succeeded, according to you, that is.

Then came Gen 3.

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It amazes me how much /vp/ shits on gen 5 over 3 mediocre designs when it gave us some of the best damn pokemon in the series.

For The Monkeys, Vaniluxe, and Klinklang, We got:

>Stoutland
>Zebstrika
>Gigalith
>Excadrill
>Leavanny
>Scolipede
>Whimsicott
>Lilligant
>Krookodile
>Damranitan
>Maractus
>Crustle
>Sigilyph
>Scrafty
>Cofagrigus
>Carracosta
>Archeops
>Zoroark
>Reuniclus
>Sawsbuck
>Escavalier/Accelgor
>Motherfucking Galvantula
>Ferrothorn
>Beheeyem
>Chandelure
>Haxorus
>Beartic
>Mienshao
>Golurk
>Bisharp
>Bouffalant
>FREEDOM EAGLE
>Hydreigon
>Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyureum
>Genesect

Like seriously. 2/3 bad designs doesn't suddenly undo all of the good the dex brought.

>>31152221
Eh true. Gen V is actually one of my favorite dexes behind II because of these mons

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>>31152163
Woah, this really speak volumes about how the artstyle of pokemon has change over the last 20 years.

>>31152221
most of those look like shit with a few exception

>>31152221
I like a decent share of Gen 5 designs but I don't personally give it that much credit, too much edgy shit that kills the atmosphere.

But I also think I just associate it too much with the shitty graphics and the general disinterest I had moving to BW2 from HGSS, I hated the shit out of those obnoxious sprites and found Unova kind of depressing.

>>31152163
wow this is crazy.
has anyone else done this/are there more by this artist?

>>31152282
I dislike how pixilated the back sprites were in Black and white but hated how still the sprites were in Gen IV.

>found Unova kind of depressing.
how? Most of the towns, music and characters were pretty good.

>>31152337
The color palette felt kind of dark to me I guess especially contrasting from the Gen 4 Johto I just came out of, I'm thinking of trying it again some time, maybe I'll think differently about it.

I also had an autism attack when I realized followers were gone

>>31152372
my dad hasn't taken a Pokemon game seriously since HGSS for that exact reason

>>31152372
Eh, I think Gen V introduced some really cool things like Hidden Abilities, seasons, and reuseable TMs among other things, but it does bother me that later games never brought back walking mons. Like Sun and Moon are really suspect for having something like that ingame that was never implemented.

>>31152268
Explain, otherwise you have shit taste.

>>31152389
It's kind of silly to shit all over a game even partially over what's ultimately just a minor aesthetic tack-on, but I really did feel like it made the game more enjoyable and sucked me into it. It especially made grinding more satisfying when you could stop and talk to your ace every once and a while and see their improvement beyond just the meaningless numbers scrolling by with every level up, it gave them some personality and gave me some more purpose in what I was doing.
>>31152407
Gen V introduced a lot of cool shit but, yeah, that didn't make much sense.
Sucks that SM didn't get followers either even after all that animation work, I just hope it'll make it into the remakes or a third version/sequels if that ever happens again. It doesn't really seem out of the realm of the 3DS' capabilities.

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rate my taste

(green dots mean that it was a tough call, choosing one over the other)

>>31151189
>pinsir
>forgettable
>with a mega
You may want to switch it with Lickitung. When I first tried to name all 151 Pokemon, it was the only thing I've forgotten about, because the only way to get it a trade in a place that you may actually never visit.

>ITT: people thinking Pokémon designs were simplified to sell toys
That's stupid. Toys with smooth curves aren't just somehow easier to produce than toys with irregular curves and edges. The real reason is that they realised that kids like to draw Pokémon, so they intentionally made them easier to draw.

>>31152262
No it doesn't. Pokémon designs were simplified right away, starting from Gen2.

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>pokemon designs now

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>>31151098
>Solosis/Gothita and Abra/Ghastly lines
Are you fucking serious? Does Abra have a monopoly on the psychic type and Gastly has a monopoly on dark colours?

>>31151862
how, exactly, was gothitelle a gardevoir redo?
>1 is version exclusive, the other is not
>different gender ratios
if you're only argument is "le 3-stage psychic mon", get out

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>>31151189
>>31151215
>>31151418
>>31152773

Meanwhile, here's a list of Gen 1 recognisability that isn't just pulled out of someone's arse.

>>31154424
>exeggcute that low

maybe its due to spelling. I always say "eggs are cute" when i'm not reading it off a page

>>31154487
or it's, as a pokemon, just very forgettable
considering it's literally my mom's eggs, on the bottom along with literally my mom's crab.

>>31150902
Object mons in general aren't a problem for me. It's retards pretending they haven't always been a thing.

Also why the fuck is the Seismitoad line here? The only line I'd axe is the damn construction clown line. It's utilizing a very rare design aspect sure(mon holding a real world item), I can deal with holding spoons but holding support beams and girders is where I draw the line.

>>31150963

bad taste is bad taste

but at least you own up to it

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>tfw I like most of these reimagined archetypes and even wish for another Unova-style dex in the future because I'm interested in speciation and parallel evolutions
>tfw started with Gen 1 but Gen 5 is my favorite so far, always get caught in the most common genwars
>tfw my top bro of all time is Machamp followed by Conkeldurr
>tfw like both Gengar and Chandelure
>tfw like Alakazam and Gothitelle

Crobat > Noivern > Lunala > Swoobat

>>31155053
Eh...
I think they weren't aiming for Alakazam fans when they made Gothitelle.
Another 3 stage Psychic line was in mind.

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>>31155108
I know, I usually pair Gothitelle with Gardevoir, which is easy to do but they never had THAT much similarities in build/BST, evo pathway so I was just posting in the context of the thread

I love cross-gen counterparts. Gyarados and Milotic are another pair I like so much.

Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Aggron and Rhyperior, etc

>>31152011
Other than Beedrill/Scolipede, I like your taste.

>>31152163
I'd use that gen 7 Krabby

>>31152221
>Draw a snail
>Call it a bug-type
>When literally no other gastropod line is one

>>31150902
Zubat line > Woobat line
Magnemite line > Klink line
Poliwag line > Tympole line
Voltorb line = Foongus line
Machop line > Timburr line, but it's close
Diglett line < Vanillite line

I have nothing in particular against the Unova monsters, but their Kanto counterparts have had more time to become more interesting. For example, I'd prefer Swoobat if Golbat didn't evolve into Crobat.

Image of all 802 Pokemon including forme change, regional, etc when?

>>31152221

>Not listing Mandibuzz

>>31151054

>no ice line in Genwun

Seel -> Dewgong

>>31152163
Gen 1 Crabrawler is miles better

>>31155339
>Diglett/Vanillite (how are these related?)

I assume because they suddenly grow more heads out of nowhere.

>>31151612
Diglett should be replaced with Sandshrew

>another gen 5 hate thread
>people ignoring all the expies from gen 3 and 4

Fuck you.

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>X = its shit
>O = I like it more than the other but both are fine

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>people complaining about Pokémon designs

A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have.

So...do people not realize that most of these archetypes apply to other gens as well? Have you NOT been playing pokemon for the last 20 years?

>>31155467
>he likes Beedrill more than Scolipede
N-n-n-n-n-nani?!

>>31155477
But it's cool to hate on gen 5.

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>>31155546
On /vp/ it's cooler to hate on genwun, yet newgenfags somehow feel more attacked

>>31155470
the pokemon stick out like a sore thumb
your meme image is bad and you should feel bad

>>31151054
>since there's no ice line in Genwun

And this wasn't a reason for you to stop pulling bullshit out of your ass why?

>>31151054
Seel and Dewgong, also just as shit as the Vanillite line
Shellder and Cloyster too but they're the best

>>31151189
Exggecutor is definitely more remembered over fucking Ponyta

>>31152163
Artist should do Crabominable and Kingler next

I hope you all aren't only just realizing all the Gen 5 lines are just remakes of Gen 1.

>>31156782
I hope you aren't just realizing this is the easiest bait to stir up gen wars

>>31157572
>Bonusweet line isn't Oddish

>>31157624
bounsweet wasn't the common early route weed

>>31157741
>Ball turns into feminine plant turns into bigger version with huge petals

>>31157572
Where are Gengar, Chandelure, Aegislash?

>>31157848
what about them? being ghosts?

>Krabby and Kingler that low
dude what

>>31157933
>>31154424

>>31151612
What the fuck do the fossils have anything to do with each other you moron

>>31151308
desu i always saw Sandlash as an Excadrill counterpart, it even gets Sand Rush as HA

>>31152221
Most of those are shit tho

>>31155453
>expies
Gen 4 had the evos but what else?

>>31152163
Gen 7 Krabby is cute! CUTE!

>>31161030
>another 2-stage normal type cat
>another route 1, 3-stage normal/flying bird of prey
>another route 1, 2-stage normal type rodent shitmon
>another 3-stage pseudo legendary dragon
>another carnivorous plant
>another moth

>>31157873
Dual typed three stage ghosts

>>31157779
Tsareena has no petals

>>31161664
Apart from Purugly, everything else you mentioned is either just a constant to every gen just like the starters, or just animals they chose to repeat.
For some reason, whenever they make a spider pokemon, people never say "it's just an ariados copy", but god forbid if they copy an animal or plant that was present in gen 1.
At least Mothim had an alternate evo depending on gender, and Carnivine is literally a whole nother different species of plant that just happens to e carnivorous too, unlike shit like Seismitoad which is literally the same kind of animal as Poliwag.

>>31157572
You forgot the bears

>>31161811
Mothim and Wormadam are Foretress clones, just like how Galvantula and Araquanid are Ariados clones.

>>31161811
>or just animals they chose to repeat.
>unlike shit like Seismitoad which is literally the same kind of animal as Poliwag.

There's a contradiction here. Sounds like you're biased against gen 5.

>>31157572
I think I might save this, this image is actually helpful for me. I just wish there was a fuller version, I need to know all of the pokemon "tropes."

>>31151308
God the wotter final evolution was so FUCKING bad especially compared to how godlike the first two are.

>>31162592
Nah, I just have a thing with the exact same thing.
Like, Galvatula is more of a tarantula than a spider, while Dewpider is a water spider. These are all different species than what Ariados is based on.
Same thing for Carnivine, Mothim, etc.
Seismitoad however is based on basically the same species as Poliwag is. That annoys me.
I do like Seismitoad tho. Wish it had higher special attack.

>>31165169
>Seismitoad however is based on basically the same species as Poliwag is. That annoys me.

Just because they're both blue?

You realize that even frogs have different subspecies, right? Poliwrath and Seismitoad are as different as Delcatty and Persian.

>>31151074
This

>>31165332
Delcatty and Persian are both domestic cats. Maybe different breeds (actually I'm not so sure) but still the same shit.
So are Seismitoad and Poliwag. There might be tons of different frog/toad species but they didn't even TRY to make them look too different or reference a particular species. They're just generic frogs, one has the quirky tingly thing the other has the warts, but at the end of the day they're the same shit.

>>31151191
>failed so miserablely
[citation needed]

>>31151308
You realise the whole thing with BW was it was basically Gen 1 but with new Pokemon?
The dex is almost identical.

>>31157572
>no Kricketune, in the beetle section
Done fucked up

>>31165654
Heracross and Pinsir are specifically bug fight favorites. Violin beetles are not.

>>31161061
It is nothing but cute. That's the problem.

>>31156769
I agree.

>>31150902
Man gen 5 & 1 really suck

I like that it's different. It was interesting seeing how design philosophy changed for the series and seeing a modern take on old designs.

>>31166098
ok

>>31155372
It lost the smug boxer look of the original. It's just a thug now.

>>31165475
Please cite the similarities between the Poliwag line and the Dimpole line. I think they are different enough.

>>31157572
You forgot Manaphy.

>>31166230
Their body shapes and the impressions they give are pretty different from each other.