>Ash-Greninja is A+ in OU >Protean is A in OU Why? What

It's a Mega Greninja that can hold items AND has a priority multihit stab.

>>31135002
It's stronger overall and has more speed. While Protean gives you STAB on everything, A-Greninja has higher offenses to help bridge that gap, and it's STAB attacks hit like a mother fucking bus.

Look at its stats sometime.

>>31135002
>145/153/132 offences
>good movepool that will be even better when it gets access to move tutors
>can hold an item
>best priority move in the game

Gee, wonder why

>>31135002
Haven't we had this thread like four times in the last two days?

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>>31135002
we don't need these threads daily

>>31135058
Someone just doesn't want to believe the jobber frog is that good in-game.

>Ash-Greninja: anti offense
>Protean Greninja: anti balance

With niggers like Genesect, Pheromosa, Tapu Lele, Hoopa and Protean Greninja itself running around, nobody really wants to run balance teams anymore. If they make a resurgence after the first batch of bans, expect Protean Greninja to become better, and possibly broken again.

>>31135044
explain

>>31135002
>A mega that can hold an item and doesn't take your mega slot
>good coverage
>huge offensive stats
>priority stab + multihit

They really went the extra mile to make this stupid special snowflake OC as disgustingly good as possible

Protean Greninja can fuck up most things by playing around with Protean, but A-Greninja just blows holes through everything

I remember months ago
>using jobber-frog over protein? Kek!
>needing to KO something first? Off to UU at the very best.


Now people are starting to realize the absolute power house I saw within.
Greninja without protein is already an okay pokemon, one of the best starters if we don't include megas.
Now give this thing a mega when it revenge kills something and it can hold lifeorb to?
It's a mini mega ray-quay-quay and I bet he will get sent to smogon ubers after lele and celesteela get put there because one walls him and the other puts up anti priority Terran. Giving ash greninja more breathing room.

>>31135002
From what I heard, a Pokespe XY subchapter released a few days ago confirms that Y's Greninja has Battle Bond for its ability. Y is the Serena analogue, and raised her Greninja from its starting Froakie.

Whatever happens oughta be interesting.

And /vp/ of course thought Ash-Greninja will be shit, same for Zygarde

How does it feel to be BTFO every time?

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>>31135240
>celes
>wall him

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump in the Rain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 325-384 (81.6 - 96.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Post Talonflame death it's also have the strongest priority. and in the rain it's even WORSE.
IF lele get banned, it's pretty much
>set up rain
>click water shuriken
>gg no re
It's literally the new Talonflame, only it's even STRONGER and FASTER. the literally only downside of using Ash-Greninja is getting the transformation, and honestly it's not even HARD. mid-risk super high reward the pokemon

This thing is so fucking stupidly powerful in the rain and in general. i love it.

WHAT SET TO RUN IN BATTLE TREE?!?

>>31135002
>literal OC Donut Steel
take a guess

>>31135011
Regular Greninka also had priority multihit STAB, is it used now because is Special and is boosted by Battle Bond?

>>31135002
Protean Greninja is still better because it doesn't require you to babysit it until it can get in a KO. Rather, it'll get KOs on its own in any given situation.
Ash-Greninja is just stronger, but a lot less reliable.

>>31136422
>252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump in the Rain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 325-384 (81.6 - 96.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

When did pokemon get this stupid with powercreep?

>>31136460
You're not gonna throw the damn thing against something it can't kill, obviously. I thought setting things up was the whole point of Pokémon battles, but when it requires more than, let's say, just using Swords Dance, you fuckers think it's a lost cause? Retard.

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>>31136462

>>31136453
Yes.
It's unreliable as a 2-5 hit 15 power move, but battle bond transforms it into a reliable 3 hit 20 power move

>>31136471
Yes, and that's the whole point I made?
Protean Greninja can kill more things easily. This one requires babysitting until it gets a kill.

>>31136492
>babysitting
There's that word. It's not fucking useless before it transforms, it's still Greninja which by virtue has fucking good stats.

Base Torrent/BB Greninja hits stronger than Starmie, and since Specs is the ideal item for it the damage output will be mire than enough to OHKO nany threats.

>>31136492
The poont is fuck you it works. It's been used to great effect despite that shortcoming.

ORETACHI WA

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>>31136535
also fucking faster, don't forget that

>>31136576
MOTTO MOTTO

Is there a way to get another Greninja in Moon if you transferred to Sun already? My Sun one is fucked because I wasn't paying attention to the nature.

>>31136656
Yes. you can transfer your demo Ninja to an unlimited number of games, but only one PER GAME.

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>>31136631
TSUYOKU!

IKUZOOOOO

>>31136656
Just resend Greninja in the demo.

>>31136674
thank fuck. now I can get a half way decent one. What's the recommended nature for Ashninja?

>>31136479
isnt that just 60 damage? why is that even good

>>31135002
Fanboyism.
The autistic fuckers over at SMOGON put mons they LIKE in OU and rank them higher and shove things they DON'T LIKE into UU and stuff. And everyone LAPS their SHIT up like faggots.


OH YES SMOGON SAMA! PLEASE DICTATE HOW EVERYONE SHOULD PL:AY POKEMON!!!


Fuck Smogon and fuck YOU.

>>31136721
90 with STAB. 180 if Super Effective.

>>31136711
Timid is the ideal nature.

Naive only if you really want u-turn to do more chip damage

>>31136721
Its the highest SPECIAL priority move, and one coming off an amazing 153 spA stat is really menacing. It's also multi hit so you can also destroy subs/sashs. When you use it in the rain its a clean OHKO on many shit.

>>31136735
Tiers are determined by usage.

Why would someone not use the best mons.

>>31136735
are you trying to piss jimmy neutron off? because your just as autistic for saying something like this

Is there a way to get a different nature than the neutral one ingame?

>>31136876
Only the one in the demo is nature locked, you can soft reset the mystery gift to get a nice one

>>31136876
when u send it to your full game the nature changes

Is a mega-evolution + item...
Seriously, the fanservice is out of control, this thing was supposed to be an "only in the anime", but now we need to see this stupid thing in the games.

>>31135240
>celesteela get put there
Git fucking gud, Celesteela does NOT belong in ubers.

>>31136876
The nature of the one you get in the full game is random, it can be Synchronized. The IVs are locked so you have to use Bottle Caps and you can get a good Hidden Power

>>31136930
Cry me a river.

>>31136964
*can't get
Fuck me

>>31136721
It has priority and it's coming off of 153 special attack.

>>31136899
>>31136905
>>31136964
Neat, thanks guys.

>>31136500
>Greninja without Protean
>Not useless
It's a shittier version of Starmie. It's not good either.

>>31137139
>shitter version
>faster
>stronger
sure thing starmiefag

>>31137101
>with choice specs it's a 254 base special attack mega
this is retarded.
>with life orb it's 220 base special attack mega
christ.

>>31136930
No it was never meant to be anime exclusive. They only stated in one occassion "it's not available to the games!" Because it was literally unobtainable in XYORAS. GF has never promoted things for nothing.

>>31137139
Are you just pretending to be retarded or do you just not know shit about what you're talking about

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>we live a world where Ash Greninja is a thing

>>31137139
>Starmiefags being this butthurt

Enjoy your outclassed shitmon in UU or whatever

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I just love how people fucking salty about Ash-Greninja not only being in the games, but also being REALLY good in the games, in one of the most power-creeped gens ever


You faggots deserved it after laughing because of the stupid "BURASTU BAAN" meme thing.
>Memezard x is A
>Ash-Greninja is A+

Sweet, sweet justice.

what a redundant thread

And Greninja continues being relevant after its home generation. I see why others are bitter as fuck.

>>31137339
But will it get Ash-Greninja as it's final smash in the next smash bros or Hydro Vortex?

>>31137306
laugh all you want, when gen 8 comes out your shitty deviantart frong will be rotting in the past just like Cosplay Pikachu

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>>31137306
>You faggots deserved it after laughing because of the stupid "BURASTU BAAN" meme thing.
BURASUTO BAAN is still relevant, because in a fair fight, Charizard can still kill Greninja.

>>31137306
>/vp/ got BTFO because a fan community randomly assinged ranks to several pokémon

I'll be here laughing when this stupid OC get denied entry for Gen 8 just like Cosplay Pikachu

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>>31137404
>>31137649
Just like how mega are thing of the past amiright?

>>31137438

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 244-288 (67.9 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

In the rain it's OHKO. Zard can't OHKO with that horrible stat spread.
>inb4 b-but fight me 1v1 f-faggot without Battle-bond form

Pokemon is 3v3 or 6v6 in singles. get fucked.

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>>31137730
B T F O
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>>31137730
>>inb4 b-but fight me 1v1 f-faggot without Battle-bond form
Exactly. If you're going to use a turn to set up Battle Bond, I can use a turn to set up DD. That FUCKS your frog. The frog is too gimmicky.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 200 HP / 252 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 294-346 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

52+ Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Outrage vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Greninja-Ash: 244-288 (85.6 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Get fucked.

>>31135002
>/vp/ actually thought it would be fucking useless in comparison to Protean Greninja

Remember when making competitive predictions for upcoming Pokemon, the answer is usually the opposite of what /vp/ memes

>>31137848
>200 HP / 252
>12.5% chance to OHKO
You must be mentally handicapped. Not to mention you don't know how Battle Bond works.

>>31137760
That orange shuriken was the coolest thing ever, it was a complete asspull that came out of nowhere, didn't do anything and MCX proceed to BLAST BUUURNM the cunt

>>31137883
>200 HP / 252
>12.5% chance to OHKO
I can easily raise that chance upto 60%, but that requires giving the frog a 25% chance. I avoided that. Zard is still better in that situation, but I thought this would be enough to prove my point.

>Not to mention you don't know how Battle Bond works.
It requires one turn minimum to activate. Minimum. Can take more, depending on the opponents team. Same applies to DD.

>>31137306
For me the meme was always there to make fun of Ash moreso than Greninja itself.

>>31137922
No one runs specially bulky Char X
If you raised the chances of a OHKO, you'd get fucked by Hydro Pump
You can't set up on Greninja becuase he's going to kill you next turn with priority

>>31137730
Not that anon, but Megas were a bit different from Spiky-Ear Pichu and Cosplay Pikachu.

If Ash-Greninja gets into Gen 8, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

>>31138015
He can change moves while holding Specs?

>>31138015
>No one runs specially bulky Char X
Not the point. The point is that Zard can come out on top.

>If you raised the chances of a OHKO, you'd get fucked by Hydro Pump
Only 25% of times. Actually, considering the accuracy of Hydro Pump, not even that. If Zard can win more than 50% of times, that's all that matters.

>You can't set up on Greninja becuase he's going to kill you next turn with priority
Not only does Specs fuck that up, but also Zard can set up against any other Pokemon. Doesn't matter, really.

>I can have a team that doesn't allow Zard to set up
I can have a team that doesn't allow frog to set up. Even fucking Pyukumuku can do the job for me. Again, it's supposed to be a fair, one-on-one fight.

>>31136721
Aqua jet has 40 base power and its still good.

BURASTO

>>31137306
The meme is to make fun of the the writers who let a not very effective attack one shot.

>>31136930
>Just like Zygarde 10% & Perfect form

>>31138376
It wasn't a one shot though. Greninja took a Dragon Claw hit before that.

>>31138397
Appeared in anime first != anime only.
Ho-oh, Togepi, Blaziken and a lot of other Pokemon first appeared in the anime. But ASH-Greninja isn't the same.

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>Ash-Greninja is weak to Grass and Fairy
>Mimikyu knows Wood Hammer and Play Rough

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>>31138376
>one shot

Que?

>>31138430
>Greninja used Water Shuriken!

>>31138430
>what is water shuriken

>>31138405
>>31138439
Welp I got memed. Time to kill myself.

>>31138443
>Mimikyu's disguise was busted
>Mimikyu used trick room!

>>31138466
>trick room affects priority

>>31138466
>Greninja used Water Shuriken!
Priority remains retard. Only speed is switched.

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>>31138466
epic

>>31138466
>he doesn't know how trick room works!

>>31138484
Yeah, but I always have psychic terrain up.

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>>31138496
>it only works when I let my tapu lele die

>>31138484
I forgot that Water Shuriken was a priority move.

>>31138466
Or just fucking hit it with a Wood Hammer.

Do any of you even do real battles? you know where people bring in stallmons like toxapex

>>31138572
Doesn't OHKO everytime if you run jolly on it.

>>31138594
>Ash-greninja used Extrasensory!

>>31138594
trAshnimefags are just too fucking high on the fact that Ash-Greninja isn't absolute shit and are coming out of hiding. Let them enjoy their sweet, sweet justice.

>>31138655
too bad the normal set on it doesnt even run that?
most people hydro, shuriken, ice beam, dark pulse

>>31138683
I wasnt calling it shit per say. it has its ups and downs like any pokemon just everyone in here is only comparing straight combat mons vs combat mons not even considering the option it fights something else lol

>>31138704
>ice beam

U-turn is more common

>>31138715
And I'm not calling it shit either. The stats alone make it a good Pokemon. But read this thread, and see how ashnimefags are treating it like the second Fug.

>>31138758
yeah thats my entire point its like they're saying ITS the best pokemon ever if you forget about all the shit that can actually kill it without real problems or forget that it IS counterable in some way

>>31137306
252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 267-315 (93.6 - 110.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>31136477
This. Gen 4 meta was the fucking worst when this fucker came onto the scene.

>>31136930
I cannot wait until pokemon goes full Digimon Tamers and we can fuse with our pokemon. It's probably a gen or two away but a man can dream.

252+ SpA Mega Charizard X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 198-234 (69.4 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 311-366 (109.1 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(311, 315, 318, 322, 326, 330, 333, 336, 340, 344, 348, 351, 355, 359, 363, 366)

I still think it's garbage but again I have a good defensive core unlike offensecucks.

>>31138405
He blocked everything with IAI GIRI IIRC

>>31139042
Retard >>31138439

>>31136735
Tiers are by usage assblaster
Stay sub 1200

He's A+ at what he does, which is wait until late game when he can OHKO and then sweep
Protean is A at what he does, which is provide general coverage as an anchor or a part of a 3-mon core. Landorus-Tapu Lele-Protean Frog as a core are S.

>>31138311
>Niggerzardfags are THIS assblasted that based Ash-Greninja is better than their edgemon

Sweet, sweet justice. Stay mad, cuck.

>>31135085
>rage

>>31137168
rapid spin my dude

>people care this much about shit that happened in the fucking anime that they'll debate it endlessly on /vp/

>>31138206
Except Cosplay Pikachu and Spikedchu were just reskins with 1 new move. Ash-Greninja has an exclusive ability and new stats. It's a mainstay just like Power Construct Zygarde.

>>31136721
>Why is Bullet Punch Technician Scizor any good?

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>>31137306
>TFW Ash gets a Battle Bond Greninja that can transform at will (without having to score a KO first) and STILL loses the league

>>31135002
Can you build a team with BURASTO BAN and IKUZOOOO?

>>31135002
This frog needs to die.

>>31141637
T. smelly phoxfag.

>>31140410
>implying they wouldn't move onto something new to shill by gen8

>>31135002
Usage.

>>31141847
The point is Ashninja will be transferable.