>Mina appears >hands you a Z-stone with no fight or trial

She basically says Ilima copies the last Dragon trial for his trial.

It's supposed to be the first ever trial in Alolan history before people started using the format in their island challenges.

>>31113904
This is the only bad trial.
The Dragon was underleveled and support sucked.
It should be scripted so is guaranteed to summon Scizor first.

>>31113904
Nobody does. Trials were clearly rushed near the end.

the dragon and electric totem battles were trash. the rest were better than gyms.

>>31113926
>take a photo of a Gastly
>fight it
>take a photo of a Haunter
>fight it
>take a photo of a Gengar
>fight it
>better than actual puzzles and trainers

??????????????

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>>31113904
This trial was so fucking dogshit. Literally
>Ribombee used Dazzling Gleam!
and I was like 5 levels lower than it. Actually maybe two of
>Ribombee used Dazzling Gleam!
because I remember it called a Scizor.

The other trials were good though

>>31113904
You can tell that SM was a rushed game; it all goes downhill after Aether Paradise.

Because trials are incorporated into the story and the culture. I kinda appreciated the fact that they already had fun and experimented with a concept that was just introduced

Totem fight rankings:

Lurantis > Wishiwashi > Salazzle > Raticate/Gumshoos > Vikavolt > Komm-o

>>31113917
>"This is the only bad trial."

>First trial is fighting 3 Pokémon while the game is making unfunny jokes about Team Skull accidentally helping you complete the trial.

>Second trial is fighting 3 Pokémon while Lana pretends to be an unfunny retard that won't shut up.

>Third trial is one big unfunny joke all in itself. It is literally one big joke from start to end. And fighting 3 Pokémon.

>Fourth trial is a treasure hint where you fight 3 Pokémon along the way that ends with 90's kid television jokes of spicy food and a boner joke.

>Fifth trial is literally nothing but fighting 3 Pokémon while Sophocles is an unfunny weeabo loser who can't even turn on the fucking light.

>Sixth trial is a tour through a haunted building run by a Ghost type specialist who doesn't fucking believe when you tell her the place is haunted for the sake of poor comedy.

>"""""This is the only bad trial."""""

What is this meme? Were Gym ''puzzles'' really that fun for you?

>>31113904
>people are legit saying that trials are better than gyms
Because they're different. People are saying that because we get Gyms in every other game that this is a refreshing change of pace. I personally liked the trials but I don't see them replacing Gyms, this feels like a one time deal.

>>31113989
Wow, that is too much shit taste you have there, anon.

How the hell do you to live with yourself?

>>31114009
Yes.

>>31114090
could you make some examples instead of just spitting your opinions?

>>31113961
>Have full evolved Salamance
>Dragon trial happens
>annihilate them with STAB Dragon & Flying moves

mfw I have no face

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>>31113904
The last trial wasn't too bas I think. However I was surprised it wasn't a fairy type trial since she specialises in Fairy types (other captains have trials match their type specialty).

She basically goes "Here's a fairy Z Crystal so you can kill that fucker Kommo-o for me".

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>>31114146

"Look at that splash, defeat that fish"

"Look I hear another fish, defeat it"

"Oh there's the biggest fish, deafeat it"

Trial done

I really dont get itwhy people think trials are cool or good

>>31113989
Your life must suck you complaining shit stain. This just shows you can make anything sound good or bad. I enjoyed every trial but my least favorite was the dragon one (my mimikyu spammed play rough)

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>>31114009
Yes

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>>31114290
>>31114166
>mfw gyms felt more like trials than gen 7

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>>31114009
Yes (and its not even a puzzle)

>>31114317
Wait what?

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>>31113953
>See Gengar levitating when trying to take a picture of it
What did GF mean by this?

>>31113989
I mean you're not wrong, but idk what you expect from a pokemon game. It's not like the trainers in a gym are all that different, it's the same thing but less of it. When it comes to the actual trial I have to say that it was much harder than a gym leader. I mean really, Lana's entire trial was about the same length of a gym - and the dragon trial essentially forced you to complete the entire poni canyon. Imo that whole canyon was the trial.

No gyms have been hard.
Trials were marginally more difficult, but still not really hard if you had the right mon already.

I just honestly don't know what you're comparing and contrasting with because it's a motherfucking pokemon game. You know that it's babby tier easy, I can't believe I have to do this almost daily but remember that these are games made for CHILDREN. Even if most of the consumers are adults, it's still made for the mentality of 8 year olds. If you want difficulty etc, then maybe you need to quit pokemon and play an actual game aimed at older people.

To complain about trials is to literally complain about pokemon in general by relativity. It's literally the same.

>>31114340

>trial: a test of the performance, qualities, or suitability of someone or something

Gyms genuinely test you.

"Trials" are impossible to fail.

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>>31114290
This is literally the worst gym puzzle ever made.

>>31114416
>because it's a motherfucking pokemon game
I really hate this copout.

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>>31114290
>Fun

I'm going to fucking kill you anon

>>31114419
>"Trials" are impossible to fail.
>Blacked more times to totems this gen than gyms in 6 gens

>>31114531
Meant blacked out

>>31114531

I mean the tasks required to access the big fight, not the fights themselves.

>>31114531
>>31114548
wasn't it 'whited out'?
can't tell which gen it was changed, didn't happen to me since gen2.
...ok, there was this touhoumon hack but thats it.

>>31114531
Cuck

>>31113953
I said totem battles.

>>31114531
>>Blacked more times to totems this gen than gyms in 6 gens
How????

I wasnt using exp share and i still one shotted 3 of 7 totems, the remaining four were 2-3 hits to kill and only Mimikyu and Kommo-o managed to kill my one of my mons and mainly because i didnt bother to heal

>>31114514
>I just want to go straight ahead and beat wild pokemon

That's real fun.

>>31114575
Only non-fun ones were the first and last. Wishiwashi, Mimikyu and especially Lurantis were fucking great.

>>31114573
I fainted to the Lurantis one 4 times and Mimikyu 2 times, but I've never blacked out in a gym and definitely not to a gym leader.

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>>31114290
>Get through this bullshit
>Go back out to heal
>The puzzle reset
I hate this puzzle so god damn much

>>31113989

I mean, I like the totem fights, but yeah anyone who defends the shitty "fight three shitty Pokémon while the game tries to superficially make them feel different" formula has shit taste.

People forget GF made gyms easier on purpose and trials harder (well totems) on purpose aswell. But overall gyms still feel superior

Lets compare
2nd trial in Alola
>wishiwashi
>wishiwashi
>Totem wishiwashi school form

2nd gym in Kalos
>Dwebble
>Relicanth
>Solrock
>Lunatone
>Onix
>Rhyhorn
>Roggenrola
>Nosepass
>Amaura
>Tyrunt

>>31113904
You don't fight trial captains during their trials and you fight her anyway in post game?

Also yeah the dragon trial is bad but gyms haven't been interesting since Gen 5 and even then they you have to go back 4~6 years to find a decent gym puzzle and EVEN THEN it wasn't the norm.

Gyms will be back because trials are Alola's gimmick anyway.

>>31113904
Dragon trial was the only objectively bad one, though you could make the case for the electric one as well since they made a fucking physical Vikavolt the totem.

>way underlevelled backup
>dies to basically any fairy move

I appreciate that they gave it flash cannon so it could at least try to dunk on fairies, but give it a Roseli berry or whatever its called so it actually has the chance to do that. Also make the Scizor not shit. There, fixed the Totem fight.

>>31114762
I rather battle someone like Whitney than battle fucking multiple weak wild pokes. What's the point of the Captain anyway? All the Gyms needed were more pokes in their slots.

I feel like trials are worse than gyms when you think of it like this.

With gyms, it was said that the stronger you were (how many badges you have), the stronger the team the gym leader would have. But with trials, the captains are only training the one Totem Pokemon. So if any schmuck comes to Alola after their own region's gym challenge, they'll just steamroll through it harder than we did.

>>31114954
>What's the point of the Captain anyway?

GF really fucked with everyone by having Ilima fight you before his trial, and then having nobody fucking else following suit. Just have all the captains say the same
>I need to test you to make sure you are ready to take on my trial
shit and it would've been fine.

>>31115131
GameFreak lost all their fucks since Kalos. I thought everyone here praising the game meant there was different features this time but it was jack shit.

The Gyms should have still been present since the fucking Elite Four was untouched with the best waifus.

Not gonna lie Wishiwashi school mode kicked my ass like twice.

>>31113904
You had to go through an extensive route with strong high leveled wild Pokémon and a trainer gauntlet before you get to this "straight line". The victory road was trial enough.

>>31113904
>>go on a straight line, fight 3 wild little dragons and the totem big dragon
Correction, it's two wild little dragons.

Also, gym puzzles were boring, lifeless and sucked ass. Many were just rehashes of other gyms.

>>31115374
Still so much better than "defeat two weak ass mons and a stronger big one"

>>31115374
Gen 6's gyms are all the same shit and exactly the same as the last trial besides the electric ones which are similar. Just walk around, fight trainers.

>>31114166
>literally just muh sliding tiles which has been done to death since the Rocket Base
Garbage

>>31114954
>Le Whitney is hard meme
>Machop used Karate Chop!

>>31115400
You literally just described every Gym Leader battle in Gens 5 and 6.

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>HURR GYMS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN TRIALS HURR

>>31115456
>cherrypicking

>>31115456
at least you fight more pokemon than the first trial

>>31115466
OP is literally cherrypicking the one bad trial and claiming gyms were better because that one trial sucked.

>>31113904
>mentions the worst trial in the game
>doesn't mention that the Victory Road stand-in is part of the trial

>>31115499
Kek you're right. I didn't read the OP, I just saw your post.

>>31115507
it's literally not though, the gates are at the end

>>31113961
My version was basically

>Ribombee used Quiver Dance
>Totem Kommo-o used Protect!
>Totem Kommo-o called for help!
>Wild Hakamo-o appeared!
>Ribombee used Dazzling Gleam!

And that was it.

I'm more disappointed Mina didn't do the fairy dance when she gave you the z-crystal.

>>31115497
>Implying those "many" Pokemon offers any sort of challenge and are not just EXP fodder

>>31115517
And Lana's trial's gates don't show up until the Totem's Den. Why does that matter?

>>31115434
You know there are alot of ways to make something difficult and easier.

Fucking Totem Battles are not difficult unless you have like 3 underleveled pokes at most, which is just another way to make shit harder with no entertainment value because no one's controlling them.

>>31115544
And neither are Gym Leaders.
Gym Leaders have never been difficult, ever.
So what's your point?

>>31113967
>ya boi Guzma is introduced
>Plumeria starts doing more
>Gladion begins taking an active role in the plot
>Po Town was pretty cool
>go to the Aether Foundation
>that moment when you first battle the Aether Employees
>making your way through the base and fighting everyone
>Wicke isn't doing shit, but this segment is still good
>Ya boi battles you for the last time
>Lusamine also battles you
>suddenly they both leave and the rest of the game is spent on a mostly uninhabited island
>Hau and Gladion, despite being major in the previous segment, are completely absent for the end
>Guzma just kind of reforms at the last minute without any fanfare
>Lusamine wasn't really evil and was just hopped up on jellyfish toxin

kill me

At least everything from the end of Trial 5 to the Lusamine battle is still a solid part of the game.

>>31115456
Literally the best gym style though, your opinion is trash

>>31115532
Using a Charmander makes it hard as fuck but a Mankey might get you a win after a couple of tries.

>>31115556
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention Plumeria dropping off of the face of the Earth suddenly.

>>31115556
Guzma never really reforms, he just realizes that working with Lusamine was the most retarded thing he could've done and he only did it because daddy issues. After you become Champion he makes it clear that he hasn't reformed. However, he does go off with Hala which indicates that he may be reformed later offscreen.

still better than gyms.

>>31115569

> Using a Charmander
> a Mankey

That's not how this works, kid.

>>31115532
right, because trials are any more challenging aren't they?

>>31115554
It's the entertainment value too you have to think about but the SoulSilver post-game matches, Koga, Juan, Watson, Liza & Ty, earlier gym battles, and Norman were hard as fuck without the right starters.

>>31115640
They are mostly the same, but with totem's pokemon, the trials could be a little harde, if you dont cheese it with Dire Hit.

>>31115640
At least trials uses a bit of strategy. Gyms just throws a bunch of Pokemon with the same type at you.

>>31115622
Literally a challenge if you actually wanted some fun.

>>31115707

Mankey on Route 3 is Yellow
Nidoran learning Double Kick before the 40s is Yellow
Charmander getting Metal Claw is FRLG

Picking Charmander in RB was the last time the games were challenging.

>>31115341
You were healed right before you entered the cave

>>31115719
>challenging
>Not catching a caterpi, evolving it to a butterfree and killing brock with sleeppowder + confusion

>Misty killed by using bellsprout and butterfree

>>31115719
Nigga use Ember shit its not hard

>>31115687
I know people on here struggled with some of the trials, but I'm being completely honest when I say I beat every trial on my first try. And it was honestly very disappointing because I was expecting them to each be unique and get progressively harder but nope. The e4 was the only real challenge in the game for me.
>>31115703
There really is no strategy, it's literally the same thing every time except with different pokemon. Like I said I was expecting it to get harder but it never did. I remember thinking the ghost trial might finally be something different and worth battling but it was piss easy. If that had been a gym there would've been multiple trainers with several pokemon.

>>31115798
>If that had been a gym there would've been multiple trainers with several pokemon.
And every single one of them would get one-shotted immediately with no challenge whatsoever. Including the Leader's.
You can't one-shot a Totem unless you're overlevelled or cheesing with attack items.

It's a pretty silly argument.
The idea of Trials vs Gyms actually has little to do with gameplay as, besides the totem pokemon, the format could be altered if need be to not be 3 wild pokemon fights and a totem.
Just as every gym is not Brock's gym.
It's pretty fair to say that the trials in SM are shit, but to say the whole concept is trash because they didn't fully utilize it in the game is just short sighted.
Trials mostly just bring flavor to the region, and make sense in the context of the game. A chain of islands that doesn't even have a pokemon league yet that instead of having a super formal system, have kids completing challenges other kids came up with to please island guardians.

All that said please let the next game be a sequel to sun and moon with gyms, but trials as a post game. Or at the very least have trials open up after proving yourself at gyms. Gamefreak hates content though so it will not happen.

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>>31113904
Look at all the babies complaining about getting something fresh and new. You people are the reason the franchise got so stale in the first place.

Instead of throwing bullshit puzzles a 5 year old could solve, they actually tried to incorporate trails into the story, and give them actual personality.

>"But, muh mono-type theme puzzle"

Fuck off. After playing this franchise for 20 years, I'm fucking glad they are trying different and new things. The trials were lighthearted and amusing. Even the lack of some trials or the simplicity of others really spoke a lot for the situation in the story, the trial captain behind it, or the history of the region. Far more developed than any gym has ever been to the game's story/lore.

You don't like story in your pokemon game, go play fucking showdown or something.

I'm glad Gamefreak ignores whiny assholes like you.

>>31115497
No you don't. You fight 4 in Brock's gym, you fight 4 in the trial. 6 if you count Ilima's battle earlier as part of it.

>>31115798
Wishi-Washi and Lurantis both had pretty decent strategy to them, if you didn't one/two shot them immediately.
Wishi-Washi's calls gave him healing and support, while Lurantis attempted to fuck you up with instant solar blades.

>>31115798
The only thing these Totem Battles accomplished was giving me a greater appreciation for Orange Islands and Drake Bell.

>>31115818
>And every single one of them would get one-shotted immediately with no challenge whatsoever
Not really since not only gyms later on get more pokemon they get higher leveled too. Fighting a variety of pokemon that have higher levels is at least better than fighting just 4 pokemon, seriously how can you defend fighting the gastly line and one mimikyu calling for help? By that point in the game if it had been gyms there would've been a variety of trainers with a gym leader that would also have a couple of strong pokemon. And I'm not cherry picking because that was every trial wasn't it? Literally only 4 pokemon every time. Sorry, I'm just not a fan of the trials, don't get me wrong though it's a neat idea and if they try it again but do it better then I'd definitely look forward to it.

>>31114457
>>31114514
>>31114706
It's literally one of the only gym puzzles that is actually a puzzle, along with Sootopolis and Snowbelle gyms.
Funny how all of them are ice-themed, too.

>>31115583
>After you become Champion he makes it clear that he hasn't reformed.

its called being tsundere'

>>31115835
yeaa fuck the gyms.
its new. but contextually it might be alola only
so fuck them, they can deal with it for a generation, they can deal with a bit more personality, and the same difficulty than a gym. since theres no real difference anyway,.
>>31115947
fair enough.

>>31115749
>it's easy if you have the perfect counter pokemon!

>>31115835
>something fresh and new
Its pointless if "fresh and new" is worse than the stale old.

>>31116107
So, we're all agreeing about Pokémon games NEVER being hard, right?

>>31114573
Lurantis was an asshole even with Torracat

>>31113904
Have you not noticed that Gym puzzles are starting to repeat or becoming unoriginal

I mean, every ice gym involves a slip and slide over the ice puzzle

The only one that doesn't is Snowbelle's which is just Volkner's gym puzzle but with ice

>>31115684
They really weren't.

>>31114290
I get PTSD when I see this. Thanks Anon.

>>31114573
Major battles now have iv and evs on them, i dont jnow about natures. Unlike just base stats un the other games.

>>31115947
You have the right to form your own opinion but don't fucking go "not really". We all played the past games and we all know how it goes. Not a single thing of any gym in any game except the leader's ace doesn't have "every single one of them would get one-shotted immediately with no challenge whatsoever" apply to it.

>>31115456
>using the first fucking Gym as your example

At least show Jasmine's Gym.

>>31116503
you mean the lighthouse?

>>31116481
Cynthia had perfect IVs, but that was it.

>>31116537
Not like that was hard either.

>>31116551
Not an argument

>>31116581
Can you stop showing up in every SM complaint thread?

>>31114199
>walk in gym
"Look a trainer, defeat it."
"Look another trainer, defeat it."
"Look the gym leader, defeat it."
Badge obtained.

>>31116606
no

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>mfw chokerfrog got his ass beat by Kommo-O and proceeded to get KOd in every fight afterwards

>>31116152
It depends on many factors such as the team make-up, utilizing the option menu, and manipulation of the levels.

But if you don't try to make it difficult, it'll usually be easier without any major changes.

>>31114290
best gym

>>31116541
She and Ghetsis had 252 EVs in all stats.

>>31113989
what would you consider funny then?
blood and guts and profanities?

>>31118047
Not him, but the Team Skull grunts trying to bully a Slowpoke and the camera zooming into its dumb face was pretty funny.

Lana wasn't really funny, and David kinda ruined the trial, comparing the Marowak poses would be a fun minigame but you really only do it once.

>>31113989
You sure care a lot about jokes and humor in your Pokemon games. You've found the wrong franchise to stick to then.

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>>31114531
>Anon got blacked after failing a trial

>>31113953

>actual puzzles

what is with this huge meme?

only like two gyms out of each generation have puzzles. All other gyms are literally, "walk to destionation", just like some of the Totems.

>>31118047
He's not mad because it's unfunny. He's mad because the trials are just a case of "defeat three Pokemon" while trying to hide the simplicity behind shotty humour. The totem battles were good, but the trials themselves were shit.

>>31114717
It's a Pokemon game. You battle Pokemon.

Were you expecting one trial to be a shmup, another to be a game of tetris, or what?

>>31118424
Pokemon makes me laugh on a number of occasions. Especially SM, and especially Team Skull.

>>31114573
People always talk about how they were over leveled without using the EXP Share, but I didn't use it either, I fought every trainer, and still had to grind up my levels a few times.

>>31113953
>Gyms
>Actual puzzles

They're absolute braindead filler. The only gym puzzles that ever required an ounce of thought and weren't just a waste of time were the ice type ones, and ice is such a shit type that the fights themselves ended up being filler

>>31115798
>There really is no strategy, it's literally the same thing every time except with different pokemon

Show me one gym leader where they use a heal pulse using Alomomola or Sunny Day Castform to give their other mons instant Solarbeam/blade

That one random ace trainer who used Red Card stealth rock Rockruff had more strategy than any gym leader

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>>31118948
>Sunny Day Castform to give their other mons instant Solarbeam/blade

Fire trial
"let's play spot the difference"
How was that fun in any way? -.- I'm sorry I'm just really salty over that one

>>31113989
>all of that
>unfunny
Okay, what do you find funny then anon? Tell me what wonderful comedic games, comedians, and shows you love?

>durr it's not because of the humor it's bad
Then why bring it up? If your problem is that you're doing Pokemon battles, how are gyms *any* fucking different?

>ONLY X NUMBER THOUGH!
Most of those areas that actually have battles feature either extra wild Pokemon or trainers who will fight you too. Much like many trainers in gyms, they aren't necessary to fight, true, but... again, that's like gyms.

At least unlike gyms, the trial captains are an interesting lot outside of pure design, and they try to spice things up rather than just having a building sat in the middle of a town you run through. It also means the areas have a purpose to return to later-- you will never enter a gym again once you've beaten it, whereas the trial areas can be revisited with purpose.

>>31113904
Good Gyms>Good Trials>Shit Gyms>Shit Trials

>>31111111

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>>31117989
source? because that explains a lot. Does Dennis have perfect IV Pokemon too??

>>31115719
It was harder to beat Brock with Bulbasaur than Charmander. Onix's special stat was so shit that Ember would still cause significant damage even with the type resistance. Bulbasaur, on the other hand, was stuck with Tackle and Leech Seed unless you grinded him to 13.

>>31119007
They only did that in Emerald, and even then, it was only Liza's Pokemon utilizing the sun. None of Tate's Pokemon could set sun or had any moves affected by it.

>>31113904
>Dragon trial
>Decide to fuck around instead of OHKO
>Crazy Diamond calls for help
>Its a fucking Scizor
>Later on try SOS chaining scyther to get a wild scizor
>Find out its impossible

I've never been more disappointed with GF

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>>31120331
>those moving goalposts

Even in RS they had great synergy.

>>31113904
I thought she gave you the crystal and fought you later because of the fairy folklore thing of giving their enemies the weapons needed to destroy them. Not to mention Poni Canyon is kind of a trial in itself.

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>>31113961
>Totem Kommo-o appeared!
>Primarina used Moonblast!
>Totem Kommo-o fainted!

>>31113904
Because it's better than any gym. What are you, retarded?

What's up with those construction sites?

>>31114290
I'm glad I had Infernape as my starter for this gym.

>>31113989
no, the hiker was funny

Does anyone react to you catching the island guardians? Seems fucked up that a foreigner would steal them

Trials, as they exist, would have been perfect if you still battled the captain after the Totem Pokemon.

>>31120951
How? Those are pretty much just two single mons except for the Light Screen. Sunny Day does nothing for Lunatone, it's just Solrock setting up for itself

>>31121358
If one or more of them pulled a Whitney/Claire and forced you to chase them down/battle them before handing over the thing?

>>31121420
Well, sun makes water moves do less damage, so I guess that helps them both?

Why is Game Freak advancing at a snail's pace? The idea of totems and trials are great, but they're implemented so poorly. Fucking any other game company is light years ahead of Game Freak. So much wasted potential.

>>31114166
>>31114290
>we will never get cool overworld puzzles like these again

Pokemon is the only franchise I have seen where people actively defend mediocrity with "well the old stuff wasn't perfect, so it's okay to downgrade from it."

Let's just compare ORAS and SM. Worth noting that every trial has wild pokemon battles, while the gyms have trainer battles that are usually harder than "fight this wild rattata"

>Trial 1
Fight 3 pokemon
>Gym 1
Fight 2 trainers

>Trial 2
Fight 2 pokemon with shitty jokes
>Gym 2
Memorization puzzle

>Trial 3
Spot the difference puzzle with shitty jokes
>Gym 3
Electric switch puzzle

>Trial 4
Scavenger hunt with shitty jokes
>Gym 4
Steam vent maze

>Trial 5
Fight 3 pokemon without even moving
>Gym 5
Not a puzzle, but gives choices of several paths

>Trial 6
Navigating pokefinder's UI with shitty jokes
>Gym 6
Puzzle/maze with a gimmick

>Trial 7
Fight 3 pokemon without talking to literally anybody
>Gym 7
Siwtch-based maze

>Trial 8
lol
>Gym 8
10/10 ice tile puzzle

I prefer totems to gym leaders but if you want to talk gyms versus trials there's no contest.

>>31115429
>literally just walk in a line and beat specific pokemon which has been done to death since team rocket games
Garbage

>>31115541
Because your rotom dex even tells you how surprised it was that the mountain wasn't part of the trail.