Competitive Thread Discuss strategies, post and rate teams,

>>31084612
Loled so hard to Dugtrio

>Only female mosquitos suck blood
Does that mean Buzzwole is a waifumon? With the thiccest rack of tiddies in the franchise?

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Is mega goy better specially defensive this gen? I figure it would be since all the top threats are special.

>>31084612
I liked the memes.

>>31084612
>it's actually funny this time
Glad someone worked out the kinks with this image, the original versions were a bit hit and miss.

I've been using the typical defensive set for Celesteela, and evened out its defenses so they're nearly the same. As far as beast boost goes, should I go for Def or SpD boosts?

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>>31085031

Best partners for Ash-Greninja?

Natures and spreads for Tapu Lele?

how do i build my adamant honedge
it's fucking 6iv but people say adamant is inferior

>>31085347
bad

>>31085509
Brave or quiet is better because:
-Out-slow everything for stance change, you DON'T want to be faster than anything
-Can go mixed which is actually very viable

Wait why is decieueye not on this list

>>31084612
I kind of want to do a Gen 1 "OU: THE PREQUEL" version of this.

>>31085546
yeah but can't change the nature ree
guess i'll just breed a new one

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>>31085540
dis is gud?

>>31085569
your edits are awful. OP's is the only halfway decent one

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Updated viability chart for anyone interested.
Magearna, M-Sableye, Magnezone, Koko, Tyranitar, and Weavile rose in rank.
Meanwhile Skeeter, Phero, Megazam, Kartana, Toxapex, Pory-Z, Suicune, and Starmie dropped in rank.

>>31085421
ferro

>>31085548
because it's shit?

>>31085749
explain

>>31085569
worse

>>31086048
Ash Greninja gets walled by bulky waters and bulky grass. Ferrothorn checks both. Also ferrothorn can set up spikes for Ash-Greninja sweeps.

Please rate my team. I'd appreciate feedback. Really struggling with Lele and Margearna

Pinsir-Mega @ Pinsirite
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Quick Attack
- Return
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Poison Jab

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Extrasensory
- Ice Beam
- Gunk Shot

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 96 Atk / 96 Def / 68 Spe
Impish Nature
- Fire Punch
- Shadow Bone
- Bonemerang
- Stealth Rock

Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Defog
- Recover

>>31086115
Switch Pinsir for megagross?

>>31084612
>It took 20 years for this move to be good
Newfag detected

>>31086115
Uninspired and dull.

Shit/10

>>31086159
Stop being a faggot and give him some constructive feedback or don't reply at all.

>>31086159
>expecting diversity and originality in OU

>>31086177
Ok.

>>31086115
Uninspired and dull. Shit/10.

Make an attempt at diversity and novelty and maybe I'll give your team more than a cursory glance.

>>31086185
Not an excuse. I've done that for generations.

>>31086147
I'll give that a shot. As of now, Latios seems like the weakest link, as it doesn't really help when dealing with Lele or SG Margearna teams.

I'll give Metagross a shot with MM/EQ/Zen Headbut/Thunder Punch

>>31086226
I'm extremely curious what you consider inspired and not dull.
Post your teams please.

can anyone help me with a rain team?

only things I can think of using for sure would be pelipper, tapu Koko, and celesteela

would be for singles

>>31085667
curious how buzzwole stays so high

>>31086226
Why even reply if you're "only giving his team a cursory glance"? If it isn't worth your time, why even post?

>>31086283
>No burrito

Please, use it. It's necessary. Replace thunderpunch.

my teams always consist of:
gengar
scizor
sharpedo (now mega)
and garchomp
and 2 nitwits to cover weaknesses, cant help but like those mons

>>31086301
Ashninja

>>31086301
Something for other Tapu Kokos

>>31086347
And...? Is that an issue? Seems like pretty standard OU fare barring Sharpedo and very recently Gengar.

>>31086344
I'm running TP since I've seen a couple Slowbro on the ladder and I want to deal with those quickly. I had little problem with them using Pinsir and Magnezone, but I usually save Magnezone for Celesteela and Scizor. I'll give BP a shot if Slowbro and bulky waters stop being an issue

>>31086428
Righto, good luck! Post back with results after a few games.

>>31084746
Its immune to Prankster so that is a huge plus.

>>31085548
Too many weaknesses, two slow, only one priority move in a lele ou.

>>31086451
My question was if it was better specially or physically defensive.

>>31085569
The excadrill joke is good I guess.

When's Pokebank?

>>31086309
Sub Bulk-up destroys teams.

>>31086309
What are people running on him? I did 252 hp 252 att 6 spd then assault vest but it just isnt doing as well as I hoped. Should I roll bulksub or fell stinger?

>>31086480
>>31086043
But it is Ou
I saw the stats. IT IS OU.
It is defensive and good attacker. Literally ten times more versatile than Geeninja. Why wouldnt it be OU or ubers?

What works well with a core of Scizor and Porygon-Z that isn't Toxapex or Ferrothorn?

With Pokebank coming out soon would posting post-bank teams be okay?

>>31086569
Owlfags were keeping it up there because it looked cool, it's long since dropped out of OU.

>>31086569
Nobody is buying it.

>>31084612
Why mantine ?

>>31086284
No.

Absolutely not.

It's well established that you "battlers" are nothing but copy/paste experts, using others' experimentation, strategy and thought for your own benefit.

And it's quite hilarious that you think I'd leisurely share a labor of love and toil when I've absolutely nothing to benefit from it but YOUR approval, as though that's something I'd want in the first place.

What a joke.

Haha.

Listen, listen here, sport. Listening? Good. You'll see my team, if you're so unfortunate, after PokeBank is released, I'm done breeding, training, and am ready to unveil it battling online, and not a moment earlier. How will you know it's me? Simple: I'll kick your ass; you won't be ready for me, for my Pokemon, for my sets and my strategy, and I'll spend however many turns our "contest" (quotations because I very highly doubt you'll present a challenge at all) lasts. And that's because I'm every honest battler determined to either rid this game of contented, copy/paste shits like you, or force you all to change your approach, to appreciate novelty and understand how fucking simple and stupid it is to adopt convention for its own fucking sake. We are sick and goddamn tired of shits like you and we are taking our game back...

...Anyway, returning to more relevant topics...

...You're a trick, you know that?

Haha.

As if I'd invite the petty theft of you "battlers," you posturing sack of shit pretenders bereft of any of the the ingenuity and intellect that that title once demanded before you copy/paste shits debased it.

I wouldn't post my team for you if my life depended on it, out of pure spite for you and that title you parade around.

"Battler."

Ha.

What a fucking joke.

Suck my dick, bitch.

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>>31086569
>Literally worse than an anchor

All of the starters are trash, but Owl is probably the most. If any of them ever manage to do anything, it'll be Incineroar, and only in VGC.

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>>31086639

I can't tell if you're actually that extremely cringy or if this is just top quality bait

In any case, a (You) for you

>>31086594
Zoroark disguised as Toxapex or Ferrothorn.

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More megas when? I want to use my Mega Diancie team that I just made but Bank won't let me!

>>31086635
HP buff, gets roost now, has lots of resistances. May get u turn?

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>>31086639
Ah, anon! This is great, your post made me giggle. A copypasta for many a thread to come.

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>>31086639
Is this pasta?

>>31086724
Nope, googled it and it's fresh. How great! It's really rare to see something like this freshly shit out.

>>31086639
You.

>>31086653
Actually anchormon and goast owl have slightly different meta niches both boyh are probably going to UU due to excess weaknesses and being slow trappers. Owl has some priority, anchor is a spinner immune to spin.

>>31086301
The classic: Modest Kingdra with specs and running Draco, Scald, Hydro Pump and Ice Beam.

>>31086639
Nice 'tism.
Thanks for the new pasta.

>>31086680
>>31086710
>>31086724
>>31086764
>>31086782
Anything short of a refutation simply serves to affirm my position.

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>>31086793
Don't worry, anon, I wouldn't DREAM of copying your team.

>>31086569
>Literally ten times more versatile than Geeninja
versatility != viability
>or ubers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA x Infinity

>>31086818
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but it's apparent to me and anyone with a brain that vapid, copy/paste cretins such as yourself will copy anything with potential to elevate your ladder ranking.

>>31086639
(Dots)
gonna use this pasta some time

>>31086818
Is that a jojo reference?

>>31086875
No anon, I seriously wouldn't take your shitmon team. I bet nobody else in the thread would, either. Your secret is safe with us :^)

>>31086894
No

>>31086875
I bet you use dumb gimmicks that are easily destroyed by taunt

>>31086947
I bet it's a baton pass ninjask with Rampardos or something.

>>31086875
What's your ladder rank?

>>31086932
It's not a shitmon team.

>>31086947
>>31086969
Both incorrect, but I understand that assuming the worst of me is all you understand. For you what is unconventional never coincides with what is practical. You do not understand creativity, innovation, progress.

>>31087025
For the same reasons I have stated in this thread I've avoided using my fully realized team on Showdown. I understand you people, this community; I've been a participant since Gen 4.

It will be with a heavy heart that I, for the first time, take my team online after PokeBank is released and they've all been bred and trained appropriately, but I will do so, if nothing else so you simpletons will understand that unconvention is sometimes simply invention.

>>31085347
something tells me you whipped up this entire image just to banepost under bisharp

>>31087126
Why not keep your team to yourself so you can jerk yourself off for the rest of time with theoretical victories? No need to take it online or anything.

>>31087126
so you've never tested this team
how do you know it's good

>>31087126
You're hilarious, dude. Keep it up.

>>31087287
Honestly, though. He's putting in so much love into crafting his shitposts, I'm really impressed. I wanna try something like this someday.

>>31087219
Because my purpose is to battle competitively, not masturbate.

>>31087227
I haven't tested the team in its entirety. Several sets I've determined too genius to unveil just yet, but I've tested the Pokemon and understand what Pokemon can take what hits from what opponents, in addition to how they would retaliate (had I given the sets yet to be unveiled). It's difficult trying to estimate how opponents would react to certain circumstances and/or sets, so I've to take a few liberties, but I've utmost confidence in this endeavor.

>>31087287
I don't know why you think this is a joke.

>>31086639
>>31086793
>>31086875
>>31087126
>>31087339
do you have a trip? please use one i think i love you.

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I like this one

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>>31087339
>Too genius to unveil

Holy shit, I'm dying, you are an artist at this anon

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I suspect dragon dance. especially on m-tyrinatar ofc, but its bad with almost about anything.

>>31087402
Does sword mean Aegislash?

>>31087402
...Who is lele?

>>31087339
You should use a tripcode when posting, it'll be a pretty cool claim to fame that the guy who'll win Worlds comes on /vp/.

>>31085667
where is B-

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I'm a bit shit at team building so I'd like some feedback

>>31087384
>>31087564
I have this tripcode from /mu/, but I don't suspect I'll post often once the spring semester begins.

>>31087641
Try it on a throwaway, see how far you get.

As for suggestions, where's Burrito on metagross?

I just got the last Zygarde cell. What set to people usually run for Power Construct Zygarde?

>>31087641
>bonemerang not earthquake
>bonemerang missing can cost you games

>>31087687
Is Burrito Bullet Punch? I'm using M-Metagross mostly as a Lele counter.

>>31087722
I see, okay. Looks good to me, IDK about U-turn on jobberfrog, but otherwise fine. How has it done for you so far?

Actually, maybe swap Bulu or Clefable for Lele, gotta abuse that cancer.

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>>31087680
>tripcode from /mu/

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>>31087715
>running marowak without its signature move
>ever

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>>31087680
>unty
holy shitfuck
aahahhahhahahahh
this guy's for real, not shitposting
lmao

>>31087841
>running worse eq

>>31087852
Breaks subs, same BP though.

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>star of fun
>thundercock
>bullshit two hitting tangrowth with CB
>Tapu "If you dont use muk you're fucked" Lele
>Amazing technology bug
atleast 3 of these are on every team and its pissing me off

>>31087852
>muh accuracy
this isnt focus miss you twat

>>31087878
>doesnt break sub vs Buzzwole
>no one else really uses subs
>misses 10% of the time

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>>31087715
>EQ on Wak
>When he's running Bulu
>worrying about a 90 accuracy move missing

>>31087902
>muh sub break
No one runs subs you autist

>>31087902
Like sub breaking is important lmao

>>31087939
i didnt say anything about subs you twatting cunt

>>31087951
Man kids ruined this site

>>31087951
>is a severe retard
Just kys, literally it would be for the benefit of all

>>31087980
You're a prime example of that.

>>31087990
what an original reply did you come up with it yourself?

>>31088005
haha, well memed, m8

all your reddit friends think you are such a big man

>>31088005
(You)

>>31088022
>doesnt see the irony
>thinks he is clever
>replies to shit posts

>>31088060
>doesnt see the irony
>thinks he is clever
>replies to shit posts

>>31088036
>m8
Yeah, your reddit friends are waiting for you.

>>31088080
Haha well memed m8

>>31088074
>>/reddit/>>

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All of you are what's wrong with the internet now.

Which set is the better one of Magearna? about to take mine from the event, and i want to synchro a good nature.

I still have no idea how to make a team, what a core is, what niches my team needs to fill. Do I have to have defog rapid spin or magic bounce? Is a wish passer or cleric mon important? Why the fuck do people like parting shot so much?

Its all very confusing. I dont want to just copy smogon but my own created teams never seem to do well or have good team cohesion.

>>31088128
AV is what I personally use, specs is also bretty good

>>31085599
>>31086069
>>31086495

Isnt mine.

this is the original... i think

>>31088133
Make sure you got something to deal with every threat. You want to at least check everything

>>31088128
I use a shift gear life orb set from showderp and it's pretty good
mangina (Magearna) @ Life Orb
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shift Gear
- Dazzling Gleam
- Flash Cannon
- Aura Sphere

i suck at team building
should i just copy a team or will that make me look like a fag

>>31088193
it will make you look like a fag
just do some research into good cores and make sure you wont get fucked from something like lele

>>31088120
Hear hear!

>>31087641
I like that you named your Gliscor.

It's a cute little attempt at originality and alleviating the convention that would otherwise cripple your team.

I honestly don't understand people like you, how you're at all satisfied with teams without indication of care, design, or any forethought whatsoever.

You and this team represent the insufferable cancer that has arrested the battling scene and has rendered it the copy/paste club. That is my honest assessment.

If you want to improve it, remove no less than 5 of those 6 Pokemon and, while selecting Pokemon to fill the remaining positions, feel free to roam outside your Smog-shit informed comfort zone.

I wandered ITT expecting something more liberal than showderp but it's become clear that if I want a change I'll have to devise it myself.

>>31088193
I literally had some autist on showdown once claim I stole some poketubers team. Like you can, but there are people out there who have major autism and will claim it is some form of "theft"

>>31088262
I love you
Please post on more threads
You are the savior of /vp/

>>31088370
posting with a trip will just make haters come and derail threads. well, at least that was the case several years ago, did the /tr/ainers mature since than?

>>31088478
Most people only care if it's a real shitty one like Jimmy Neutron

>>31085667
>tfw there are only 5 pokemon here you like without overlapping types

>>31084612
>Seadra
>Bisharp
>Mandibuzz
I don't get it

>Pelipper
Did Drizzle really make it that good?

>>31085667
Sharpedo (Mega) even on the list
Why?
>Pelipper in the same tier as Gengar
I hate this world.

>>31088623
You must be extremely picky if you only like 5 out of 72 pokemon in that picture.

>>31085667
How are these calculated?

>>31088652
It's surprising Mandibuzz is still there even after the Aegislash ban. Expect it to move down soon.

Bisharp is still a great Pursuit trapper and can donk stuff like A-Wak (though it can't switch in) and it loves Defoggers/Latis and it can kill Leles not running Focus Blast but yeah, it'll move down soon too, especially with all the Pheromosas.

Kingdra is the best rain sweeper, period, expect it to get more usage if rain makes a comeback.

And yeah, a rain setter with Knock Off, I think Defog, U-Turn, and a 100% accurate Hurricane in most scenarios, plus the usual Scalds and Hydro Pumps? Pelipper is rain's wet dream.

>>31088733
Oh, I forgot about and also missed Toxapex, somehow, so there's 6. I like a few others too, but the rest of them either have types that overlap with the first 6, or in the case of Genesect, I assume won't be in OU for long.

There's some that I kind of like, and would use them if they worked well with another Pokemon I actually really like, like how I used Bisharp for a bit because I like Gallade, but I dunno how M-Gallade would fare here if his Mega Stone even existed. He wasn't even OU last gen.

>>31088788
Discussion, really. It shifts around a lot.

Lando and Garchomp were the most used Pokemon of last generation but they stayed in mostly A+ rank, for instance

>>31086156
Conversion has always been trash.

>>31088877
>Z-Conversion boosts all stats by 1

>>31085667
Is Volcanion that bad? I thought it was heatran2.0?

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>>31088262
>A smogon focused thread is less liberal than a thread all about laddering with teams/mons made by others, no matter how gimmicky.

You don't say....

>it's become clear that if I want a change I'll have to devise it myself.

You're welcome to try if like wasting your time I guess?

>>31088987
>B Rank in OU
>Bad
nigga, there are ranks after B they just haven't added them yet

>>31089054
I was honestly expecting Heatran usage from it desu.

>>31085667
Where the fuck is Xurketree, and how is Kartana at B+? It should be eating everything up with its monstrous attack stat and decent neutral coverage

>>31089097
it has all the offence and wall potential of heatran but it doesn't have the support options, Simple as that.

>>31089121
Koko does most of what Xurkitree does, but better.
Kartana is a great cleaner, but is ultimately held back by his weak moves and poor STAB coverage.

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>Big win streak followed by tilting loss

How long of a break should I take so I don't go full on losing streak?

>>31089387
for how long its for you to regain composure. a good night sleep followed by a filling breakfeast should be enough.

>>31087715

Looks like it works better with Bulu, plus sometimes you really want that second hit against a Sub or Disguise.

>>31085569
I like this one the best

>>31085667
>Metagross Mega, Celesteela and Magearna solely rising because they counter Top Lel
you can't make this shit up

>>31088890
>it took 20 years for this move to be good

Read you moron.

>>31086639
new pasta
http://pastebin.com/G40J9axu

>>31085667
Question for you Smogon types, why is Mega Venesaur so damn good?

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>>31086639
G O L D

>>31089622
Sad thing is they aren't even true counters. Shadowball variants fuck over metagross on the switch in and thunderbolt lele can usually deals with Celesteela. Only Magearna is close to a true counter, and even then Lele can run hp fire.
Lele suspect when?

>>31089718
Once Genesect is done.

Honestly it's been two generations and I still keep forgetting that Steel no longer resists ghost.

>>31089697
It's bulky as fuck, has many relevant resistances, can offensively heal with Giga Drain/Leech Seed, shits on Fairies with Sludge Bomb, Thicc Fat protects it from 2 major offensive types

>>31089668
>62 unique views in 7 minutes
just how many fucking people are lurking this thread?

Name me a high-HP Pokemon with Substitute and Baton Pass. I need to be able to switch in Eevee, Z-move, and Baton Pass again. Yes, I'm fully aware that Extreme Evoboost is useless, I just don't care.

>>31089792
baton pass is shit in doubles
you mean smogon singles? because passing speed boosts alongside other stats is forbidden in OU

>>31089622
>>31089718
You people are adorable.

Like sheep you follow your foreign cultural arbitrators, restricting the pool of Pokemon you can put on your team to a subset of a subset of a subset, and then you act surprised there arrives a Pokemon for which there is no counter in your shallow as fuck pool and ban it.

I've never once had issues with Lele.

Why isn't M-Scizor higher? Burrito still fucks Lele, especially if Scizor runs Careful nature and a bulky SpD-oriented set.
>tfw Greninja doesn't have Gunk Shot
>tfw Aegislash got banned
I see Lando-T has a new onahole in the Cancer Tier.

>>31089792
Baton Pass chains are FORBIDDEN in Smogonland. But uh, Mr. Mime, Driftblim, and Pyukumuku are about all you have to work with. I didn't check for sub options, I just looked for bulky passers.

>>31089846
And what glorious PU shitmon do you use to counter Lele then? Keep in mind she runs HP Fire, Moonblast, Psychic and Focus Miss and she's not afraid to use it.

>>31086156
>>31088890
...Is it 2036 already?

>>31089792
Togekiss is probably the best you'll find.

>>31089810
Not everyone heeds to your foreign arbitrators.

>>31089849
>Burrito still fucks Lele
As much as I fucking hate the move in Tapu Lele because it's redundant coverage, multiple people are running Tapu Lele with HP fire to specifically fuck up Scizor.

I know it's a shit move that only hits 2 mons in the entire format (Scizor and Ferro) with Focus Blast hitting Ferrothorn and other revelant targets (Tyranitar, Heatran, Bisharp) but people are using it

>>31089810
FUCK, forgot. Baton Pass clause is really the worst thing I've seen from Smogon. Sleep clause I get, otherwise you could meme over everyone. But what's the point in banning Ninjask or Blaziken with SD, or banning Quiver Dance passing Venomoth?

>>31089890
Conversion has existed since Gen1, where it was worthless. It has been worthless for every generation since. It is now 20 years later. Now Conversion is godly.

>>31089856
Correction, I misread and thought you meant generally bulky. Please do not use Mr. Mime or Pyukumuku for high HP subs. I am dumb.

>>31089882
So you disrespect my selection (and me, in extension) and expect that I'll reward you with an answer?

Is this a joke?

>>31089908
Yeah I don't get it myself. I haven't played comp in a while, all I can think of is Prankster bullshit. It's a totally viable strategy that I feel is unjustly banned. Baton Pass chains have so many counters:
>Entry Hazards since switching does damage
>Haze/Dragon Tail/Defog
>Z-Moves can fuck up a chain hard now
>Pursuit trapping
>Parting Shot to some extent
>Sticky Web

>>31089908
Because baton pass teams were extremely hard to deal with at one point. The high ladder was made up of teams of 6 pokemon with baton pass, and the lower ladder was teams of 6 pokemon that try to counter them.

>>31089952
he thinks you need to earn his respect because he is god's gift to the world.

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Pls rate and give suggestions

Mimikyu @ Red Card
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Play Rough
- Shadow Claw
- Shadow Sneak

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 112 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Hammer Arm
- Ice Punch

Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic Spikes
- Haze

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

Buzzwole @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Leech Life
- Bulk Up
- Roost
- Poison Jab

>>31089952
I can't disrespect anything until you say what it is. The only pokemon I can think of that can take a Specs lele blast of any kind and survive it well enough and isn't OU is probably Blissey.

>>31090003
You have an awful lot of physical attackers.

>>31089908
I guess it's for the sake of preventing the long ass baton pass chains that would culminate into a buffed as fuck mon with extremely little counters. The high ladder was filled with these teams at one point.

While yeah, Haze and Circle Throw are legit answers, what do you do if they pass the boosts to something that can deal with your Dragon/Fighting mon? Remember that there's only one viable user of Haze in the entirety of OU, and that's Toxapex
>>31089992
Defog does nothing to stat boosts anon, and Pursuit trapping doesn't apply to Baton Pass

>>31090015
Good thing I'm not switching this Pokemon in on a specs Focus Blast then.

>>31090042
That's a good point, any suggestions on who I should replace and for what?

>>31090015
Blissey gets cleanly 2HKOed by itemless Psyshock. And that's with a Timid Nature

>>31090068
It's YOUR team, right? Fix the shit yourself.

>>31090095
Kys, filtered

>>31090015
Regigigas.

But I don't htink people even use it in PU

Sassy Mudsdale without any EVs into Sp.Def or an assault vest, while still being able to OHKO with Heavy Slam.

>>31090003
>>31090068
Maybe offensive Heatran over Alolawak. They have similar coverage but heatran is special. And both have sneaky pebbles.

>>31090095
now now, no need to let some anon disrespectfull atiitude get to you.

>>31090015
my current ou team? after lele kills my urrent pokemon, ill switch in my ledian and encore it.
i think.

>>31090044
>Pursuit trapping doesn't apply to Baton Pass
Yeah, I guess you're right.

>>31090052
Look man, Focus Miss isn't even your problem. Do you have ANY fucking idea how powerful a Psychic Terrain Specs STAB Psychic is from Lele? You need a quad resistance to hop to survive it and counter attack, and Lele doesn't need to keep her happy ass in play while you try to knocker her out. Even if you have a Dark type, Lele runs fairy moves as well.

>>31090094
Like I said, it was the only pokemon I could think of with enough SpD and bulk to even survive the switch it. I didn't say it was a counter, I was just trying to think of a non-OUmon that could take the hit without outright immunity.

>>31090126

Can he take that hit twice? Otherwise that'd probably only work on the revenge kill.

>>31090126
nope
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mudsdale: 178-211 (44 - 52.2%) -- 16.8% chance to 2HKO

>>31090068
Have you looked into the glory and majesty that is Z-Conversion Porygon Z? Because I decided to run that on my team and my god it is doing wonders. I love switching to Ghost type when they try to throw Mach Punch my way.

>>31090119
>I'm a child so not only am I incapable of fixing "my" team, but I'm also incapable of defending said ineptitude in the face of scrutiny

Filtering won't change the fact that you're a fucking child that can't do a goddamn thing without others' assistance. At a moment's glance, that anon was able to diagnose a glaring fucking flaw in your team while you couldn't. Now, you expect him to, in another moment's glance, fix said flaw because you are too goddamn incompetent to do it yourself.

Why the fuck are you even here? Are you eager to hop on Showdown or something with some team spoonfed to you as though you've accomplished something?

How do you intend to sustain yourself in any fucking capacity if you can't just sit down for five minutes looking at your team in an attempt to diagnose and fix its weaknesses? How can you reasonably as others to do in 5 seconds what you haven't been able to do in hours, or however fucking long you've had that team?

Jesus fucking christ.

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Anyone getting back into competitive have any roadbumps? Just scooped after learning spore doesn't affect grass types anymore the hard way.

>>31090171
>Do you have ANY fucking idea how powerful a Psychic Terrain Specs STAB Psychic is from Lele?
A bulky M-Scizor variant can deal with it quite well
>
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Scizor-Mega: 137-162 (39.9 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Of course there's always the potential threat of HP fire

>>31090186
Who, Regi or Mudsdale?

With no assault vest or EVs in Sp.Def

>252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Mudsdale: 243-286 (60.1 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Mudsdale: 345-406 (85.3 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Now lets try with 252 EV

>252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mudsdale: 186-220 (46 - 54.4%) -- 55.9% chance to 2HKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mudsdale: 264-312 (65.3 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Now with AV

>252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Mudsdale: 126-148 (31.1 - 36.6%) -- 72.5% chance to 3HKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Mudsdale: 178-211 (44 - 52.2%) -- 16.8% chance to 2HKO

Note that Mudsdale has Heavy Slam in its set

>0 Atk Mudsdale Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 264-312 (93.9 - 111%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

>>31090245
you about done man?

>>31090210
The issue is specifically Moonblast here. Psychic is more dangerous.

>>31090245
because god forbid we help each other teambuild
how dare anon ask help from people who possibly know better or can provide ideas he didn't think of
just go back to /mu/ if you're just going to be an asshat who speaks like a Dying Earth character

>>31090212
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>31090253
I keep forgetting that Steel doesn't resist Ghost anymore. I completely skipped Gen 6.

Also Prankster does not affect dark types anymore and I keep forgetting what resists fairy type attacks. I know people REEEEE about it being casualized but the NVE/SE thing in Sun and Moon has helped a great deal in teaching me the new type effectiveness.

>>31090274
max special defense with assault vest is straight gimmick territory, without attack investment Mudsdale won't be doing shit other than "countering" Lele with other 3 useless attack moves outside of Earthquake

>>31090274
I'm confused, Mudsdale doesn't even have that impressive SpD, why are you guys using it as your example?

>>31090290
why would you assume Lele is choiced? People are getting smarter and changing sets for Twisted Spoon or Expert Belt in order to not stay locked. Also a wrong prediction and Mudsdale goes down, as Specs Psychic leaves it in a very uncomfortable HP range

>>31089792
stupid cunt go die

>>31090337

>20% STAB items showing up in competitive play

Well, shit, my 15-year-old self would've said it was about damn time.

>>31084612
What? What happened to Porygon-Z that he's now in OU?

>>31090282
Who are you?

Are you the person I was replying to, or are you another anon entirely? Because the latter is the only thing I can think of that's actually more fucking futile and vapid than the former.

>>31090293
You can help someone without enabling their passive bullshit. That anon did not deserve help. Clearly, he didn't teambuild and just slapped a bunch of shit together without sparing a fucking second to review.

That is laziness and the only response more or less appropriate than my fucking scorn is quiet apathy.

You either tell him to learn to think for himself, or you ignore him until he has no goddamn choice but to think for himself. That's the only way these people learn. It's the only way these people stop needing to be spoonfed every goddamn thing under the Sun.

Do not reply to this fucking post with anything short of a direct refutation. I will not entertain it. I will not respond. It would be as though you never replied at all - as though those ill-conceived characters were never typed and your "thoughts" never committed to text.

>>31090337
Specs is perfect for absolutely fucking destroying a bastard. As I am finding out the hard way, Specs even destroys pokemon that resist Psychic.

>>31090359
They've always been relevant. Less so than others but it's not uncommon to see Silk Scarf or Expert build to pop up in OU.

>>31090274

Seems like that's a very risky proposition if you're not going AV, which has its own problems. If you're batting against a high-probability 2HKO you absolutely can't switch in to try to scare lele off, although you can roll the dice on a revenge kill.

>>31084612
STOP THE BURASTO JOKES

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>31090388

>>31085667
I'm a bit surprised not to see Tsareena in OU (maybe BL bare minimum). Because that ability and her attack is nothing to fuck with.

>>31090314
>>31090328
It's more to show a point. I'd rather run Mudsdale as a physical wall, but with Base Sp.Def of 85, it shows that full investment to counter Tap Lel is not only possible, but capable of doing revenge kills.

>>31090337
See>>31090015
>The only pokemon I can think of that can take a Specs lele blast of any kind and survive it well enough and isn't OU is probably Blissey
I'm not going to go on about 'counters' because you have a team of Pokemon that should synergize together. I'm just talking survival.

>>31090432

Grass has never been particularly popular with Smogon and I'm not surprised she's sticking in the UU-orbit with how obsessed with speed the meta gets. Blocking priority is aces but with all the speed creep the ability doesn't come up as often, I imagine.

>>31090455
if we're talking about survival we should go with the obvious counters (Magearna, Metagross, Celesteela), Magearna and Celesteela moreso than Metagross as Shadow Ball is starting to be a frequent sight on Tapu Lele (50% of sets run it) but Thunderbolt is at a measly 17%

>>31090432
Tsareena is a mono grass physical attacker with not so hot coverage options, terrible speed and mediocre bulk. There are way better counters to priority also introduced and the most obnoxious priority user of last gen got the shit nerfed out of it.

>>31090432
Mono Grass is never the greatest type in the world. I imagine the biggest thing holding her, and by extension Bruxish, back is the fact that Lele is doing a fantastic job of covering their major draws while also being a wonderful special sweeper.

Tsareena is not terribly fast either, though her movepool surprises me. HJK, Trop Kick, U-Turn, and Acrobatics.

>>31090370
Z-Conversion

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>>31090388
>>31090450
>getting caught

>>31090432
>BL
I doubt it. Tsareena has passable attack but her highest physical STAB is only 70 bp and mono grass is not a good typing defensively or offensively. She might have a niche as a rapid spinner in a lower tier.

>>31086639
Upon further consideration, I have decided to post my team. Look at your unoriginal garbage then look at this absolute god squad and kill yourself in comparison to how unbeatable this is you unoriginal "battlers"

Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
- Hidden Power [Flying]

Rotom-Wash @ Choice Band
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Return
- Facade
- Volt Switch

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Ice Beam
- Taunt
- Surf

Shedinja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Baton Pass
- Shadow Sneak
- Trick
- Toxic

Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Air Slash
- Blast Burn
- Tailwind
- Solar Beam

Venusaur @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Outrage

>>31090491
Because the post was about non-OU Pokemon. In OU, there are plenty of Pokemon that can survive a Choice Specs Moonblast and force Lele to switch out.

>>31090527
this team dies to choice specs Tapu Lele, though

>>31090546
With the tank Calm Mind Lando T? I don't think so.

>>31090527
Attempts at mocking me, especially bad ones like this, only serve to affirm my position.

I'd never run a team this cancerous.

>>31090388
>>31090450
wew

>>31090514
Z-Conversion gives him a +1 in ever fucking stat. The buffed speed does wonders and even the extra defense has saved my ass a few times. My Z took a fucking Scarfchomp EQ like a champ and saved me on my last battle.

>>31090472
Which is why I imagine her in mid to low OU bare minimum. As like I said, her attack is nothing to fuck with. Play Rough, Acrobatics, Trip Kick, and High Jump Kick are nasty moves. Along with Aromatherapy and a recovery move in Synthesis makes for some interesting support thanks to have some pretty nice bulk. And simply messing with priority moves make her an interesting check for certain Pokemon. But that's my two cents. Only issue is like you said, speed.

>>31090539
oh, then I understand. However, if we're talking about "non" OU mons I would say that Alolan Muk is the best counter that Tapu Lele (as he can actually comfortably run an Assault Vest or full special defense investment) has

>>31090571
it fucking does
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-Therian: 264-312 (69.1 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. +1 252 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-Therian: 177-208 (46.3 - 54.4%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO

And that's an itemless Timid Tapu Lele. Unless you mean that you switch after Tapu Lele has already killed something to bring Landorus safely, and that's a check, not a counter, and a shaky check as Top Lel outspeeds Landorus anyway

>>31090606
>calcs
Look at the fucking sets this is a joke team you idiot.

What EV spreads and movesets are people using for Marowak and Metagross?

>>31090571
oh yeah, and your Landorus doesn't even OHKO with Sludge Wave
252+ SpA Landorus-Therian Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 174-206 (61.9 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>31090627
>this is a joke team
I see awful sets posted here all the time as "legit" strategies, your fault for not making it clear that it was a "joke" team

>>31090603

I do have to say I have really liked how Tsareena performs when I've tried her out. I think all your points are valid, and she's surprisingly bulky and a pretty good spinner because people seem to forget that's a thing she can do. OU tends to shit all over slow pokes unless they're outrageously powerful, though, so I'm gonna predict she's gonna do well in UU or be BL but be a surprise on OU teams.

>>31084612

so what buff did zygarde 50% get?

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>>31086639
This sounds like soemthing Donald Trump would say.

>>31090505
>Tsareena is not terribly fast either, though her movepool surprises me. HJK, Trop Kick, U-Turn, and Acrobatics.
Don't forget Play Rough.

>>31090642
>t for not making it clear that it was a "joke" team
Not even him

But fucking Choice Band Rotom dude.

>>31090653
New move thousand arrows. Basically it's an earthquake that can hit flying types.

>>31090642
It's Banded Rotom, how fucking clear does it need to be that it's a joke team? Use Sudowoodo?

>>31090527
Almost perfect, your Charizard set should be using X though for maximum BURASTO BAN

>>31090687

You leave my shitmon buddy out of this.

>>31090653
Thousand arrows, to cuck any immunities that try to switch in.

Power construct too but smogon banned it almost immediately, as it worked like a heal whenever he dropped to less than 50%HP

>>31090683
What a fucking nasty move Thousand Arrows is. I imagine it really upped Zygarde's uses. Especially Perfect Zygarde (as I call the complete form).

>>31090687
>>31090680
Calm Mind Landorus T is legit, stallbreaker Tapu Fini is legit, aside from the random choice of Blast Burn Charizard Y is legit, VenuSweeper is legit too, and Shedinja is used in 1300-1500 as it can be legit good at surprising the opponent

The only meme about that team is Choice Band Rotom and I just thought it was very random but choose to not pay it any attention

>>31090736

Does anyone seriously use Shedinja on a team that doesn't spin or defog at all? Sneaky pebbles is a fact of life and you might as well not have a sixth pokemon if that's what you're going for.

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>>31090736
>Calm Mind Landorus T is legit,
If you're sub 1200, maybe.

Run Specs Scizor while you're at it.

Buzzwole @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Hammer Arm
- Leech Life
- Roost
- Ice Punch

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 112 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bonemerang
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Defog
- Moonblast
- Scald

Salamence @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Shadow Claw

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 168 HP / 252 SpA / 88 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Conversion
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

Pre-Bank. Any suggestions? Anyway I can get some hazards in this team? I would put SR on Marowak, but it only gets it in earlier gens.

>>31090647
>I'm gonna predict she's gonna do well in UU or be BL but be a surprise on OU teams.
I imagine she'll be used to surprise Sableye users and mess them up with Play Rough.
>>31090736
Wait why the hell would someone use a choice band on a Rotom?

>>31090781
not him but 105 special attack is salvageable and with Intimidate it patches up the special defense side, not to mention that people like to switch special counters against Landorus

Spot me seeker (Buzzwole) @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 196 HP / 188 Atk / 12 SpD / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Bulk Up
- Leech Life
- Superpower

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 28 SpD / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- U-turn

Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Return
- Quick Attack

Tapu Bulu @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Horn Leech
- Stone Edge
- Superpower

Greninja @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Water Shuriken
- Dark Pulse
- Extrasensory

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Wave
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

I have a severe Flying weakness I need to fix.

>>31090825
there's no reason to, it's a meme

>>31090728
Perfect Zygarde is in Ubers because the ability Power Construct gives it a heal along with its 215 or whatever base goddamn HP.

>>31084612
You know when I made this I thought more people would wonder what the fuck magnezones one is for but I haven't seen a single person say anything about it in any thread.
It eats bamboo

>>31091490
Kek

>>31090003
A lot of physical attackers. And a lot of ghost and ground weakness. Toxapex and rotom are doing a similar role. Maybe sub on Buzz

>>31091530
Thanks for the tips.

Is there any viability in a slow, negative speed nature U-Turn Scizor? I kind of want him to play that role, taking the hit to get other Pokemon in more safely with U-Turn, and Bullet Punch being a priority move for when it's needed, it seemed doable. I imagine there are slower Pokemon that could do this better, but my heart is kind of set on Scizor.

He's not molasses slow, but not particularly fast either. I guess I'm wondering if that middle ground is enough that permanently crippling his speed won't really benefit him anyway, because he's already slower than the fast Pokemon and the negative speed nature won't make him slower than the slow Pokemon, and that if I can accomplish the same thing by just going Adamant.

>>31091565
Negative speed Scizor was never a thing. Stick to Adamant

>>31088478
I fucking remember you

>>31085347
>Your precious Skarmory, gratefully accepted!

Beautiful

>>31090857
How's superpower buzzwole? Seems like it could get donked pretty fast and beast boost is sort of neutralized as an ability

>>31092015
the only other good stab is Hammer Arm, but that would be counterproductive to the point of running speed evs in such a set

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Champ

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>>31086484
>>31084746

I run Max Def Impish Sableye
Special defensive sableye is ok but physically defensive always beats it, due to Chansey being on most teams alongside Sableye, so it doesnt need that special defense.

>>31092423
I'm ranked #13 and #15 on the Gen7 OU ladder with two my accounts btw, so stall is most definitely still viable, and effective.

I advise anyone struggling to string together wins to try out stall.
Just takes practice to know how to use it

>>31092321
>the most casualized
Anyone who reads beyond this point is retarded, don't even fucking pretend Pokemon isn't one of the most casual game in existence.

>>31084612
>Chansey
>10 more minutes mom

lol

>>31092440
>butthurt gen 7er

>>31086115
Nigga take a screenshot of your team on Showdown and post it here

People are more likely to help if they have a visual aid

>>31092321
What does that have to do with this thread?

>>31092469
lol bitch I don't even play in game, least I'm not some fucking idiot trying to pretend his game for babies is hardcore

>>31089387
If you lose three games in a row just stop playing for an hour or two, do something else.

Then come back.
3 game rule is the golden rule.

>>31090432
>slow
>mono-grass
>weak STAB options

You're a complete idiot for thinking Tsareena would ever be near OU ever

So I hatched a shiny Miltank with an Adamant nature. I'm trying for Careful right now though and just started breeding the things. It already knows Hammer Arm and Curse.

Is an Adamant Miltank salvageable for use?

>>31090782
NIGGA POST A SCREENSHOT FROM SHOWDOWN AND POST IT HERE

no one wants to read that

i'd be happy to help if you had a screenshot

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>>31092547
I think I need some priority. Sashed pheromosas fuck me over.

>>31092562
not too sure about scarf mence
d dance is just better in nearly all situations

youre also running a team with no mega
perhaps run mega pinsir over salamence?
that way you also get priority with quick attack

i would also suggest you run a sub set on buzzwole as it completely obliterates stall and is generally better than roost.

so run:
Substitute
Leech Life
Earthquake
Focus Punch

If you really want Roost then just run Sub, Roost, Leech Life and Focus Punch.

I'm going for a hyper-offensive team and for some dumb fucking reason decided to use not only scizor and mimikyu but also minior and porygon-z. What can I do to round out this tragedy?

>>31092659
Pinsir might be fun, I'll give him a shot.
I'll also try sub since I haven't gotten to use roost much. Though I'm not sure about focus punch, it'll hit hard but it's not really useable outside of sub

>>31092707

a strong wall breaker and a suicide lead.

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How viable is Contrary Serp in gen 7 OU? I want to build a team around it, but don't know where to start.

>>31092821
pick one of Taunt/Substitute to use against stall, one Hidden Power of your preference (you will always get walled by something so choose well) and Dragon Pulse as a move that can be spammed after you get to +4

>>31092719

Alolan Marowak + Lycanroc/Necrozma seems decent. Lycanroc gets Taunt which seems perfect, but is Necrozma's raw utility worth more?

>>31089846
Jesus Christ, look up grandiloquent in the dictionary and get over yourself.

any non cancer singles teams doing well on battle spot? I really don't want to use megagross, lele, or land shark.

I've tried using a lot of variants of the new mons and just get railed. or will gen 7 be too homogenised to have lower tiers mix with OU?

>>31093163
should also say that I've been doing surprisingly well with hydreigon. he kinda bones non scarf chomp

what are cores that go well with chomp in gen7?

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>>31086639

Gloat all you want, but some faggot with a haxed Porygon2/Z is going beat you, and you will feel like you wasted a whole lot of time in the end. We've waited several generations for this time to come, and we're not going to lose to some upstart Karenfags.

The time is now, Porygonfags, we've got both the Smog-meta and VGC in our sights! Viability testing is being done on using both Porygon-Z and 2 on a VGC team, and the results are promising! The days of wallowing in UU are over!

>>31092438
Do you genuinely enjoy playing stall or do you enjoy the consistent results from playing stall?

I try some stall teams every meta but I just can't enjoy more than a couple of games with them.
I can't deny, it's the most effective and reliable way to climb the ladder with the least amount of variance.

I'm probably just as annoying to see since I fucking love HO

>>31093696
I genuinely enjoy using stall. It's strangely calming due to how methodical it is.

Stall is a process whereby you slowly set up hazards, gradually wearing down the opponent's team, all the while switching into your walls of the opponent's pokemon.

And I win a lot of games 6-0 in high ladder this way, so it's very motivating to keep using it.

I love winning, and I like to win at any cost.
Stall is without doubt the best way of consistently winning.

>mfw as I'm writing this I literally just got top 10 on the Gen7 OU Ladder

I'm exactly #10 atm. Hoping to reach #1 soon.

My main account is #11 too lmao

>>31093781
how tf did you get top 10?
i barely get into top 500, like seriously how do you even get close to top 10

>>31093815
lol just checked and i'm actually not even top 500

my ELO is 1487
i don't get how you do it

>>31090857
>bulk up leech life and super power

its like you want to be hard walled against the toxapex

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>>31086639
>this fuckin post

>>31092871
you only need leech seed for stall

Why isn't palossand out, shore up is broken

>>31086115
Why fire punch over flareblitz?

>>31090527
>Land-T
>Rotom-W
>Tapu-Anything
>Not uninspired
Kek

>>31093781
Pics or it didn't happen

How's this?

Pelipper @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpA
Bold Nature
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Scald
- Roost

Kartana @ Steelium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 56 HP / 196 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 19 Atk
- Sacred Sword
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike

Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch

Silvally @ Choice Scarf
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
- Parting Shot
- Thunderbolt

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Shuriken
- Dark Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Extrasensory

Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Leech Seed
- Wood Hammer
- Stone Edge
- Zen Headbutt

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>>31094795
Just took this now and I've jumped two places up from #10 to #8 since I last posted that

Aiming for #1

>>31095931
thats pretty impressive desu friendo

did you use that stall team the entire time?

>>31095946
I used offense up until 1600's, and I kinda plateau'd there for a while, so I got annoyed

So I switched to stall and now I'm #8
:^)

Stall is the only way to win consistently on high ladder.

Pokenoob here (haven't played since GBC editions)

How can I be as tryhard as possible in Sun/Moon?

>>31096052
Toxapex
Tapu Lele
Pheromosa
Celesteela
Landorus-T
M-Metagross/Garchomp

>>31096052
get celesteela, pheromosa, toxapex, any tapu of your choice, alolawak, whatever you want since the rest will fuck up everything
postbank add lando-t

>>31094720
It's set up bait at best and it's ability does it no favors

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Code Scyth-01 (Kabutops) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Weak Armor
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Endure
- Swords Dance


plz rate

>>31097936
btw, startegy is:
use sword dance and endure+weakarmor+weakness policy to power up, than destroy everything