I unironically love the battle tree. Best piece of post

>>31055461
It is literally just a copy of the Battle Tower. It is no different from the dozens of other Battle Tower copies we've had since fucking Pokémon Crystal.

>>31055461
Well i dont.

Only GF can make a facility with old famous trainers and fuck it up completely

I do like a game with extra songs to hear from past games

>>31055461
>we finally get more than 4 music options
>no shuffle setting

This bothers me so much more than it should. Also version exclusive trainers is rubbish, but aside from that I don't hate it.

>>31055491
/thread

>>31056506
So if sun and moon had battle frontier you would say it's copy from emerald OK dude

>>31056491
Fuck a shuffle setting(not really) I'm just happy there's actual music worth listening to compared to oras and xy. The fuck were they thinking wasting music on that shitty kalos gym leader theme and it's shitty mega lycario remix.

The Battle Tree is literally just the Maison without Triples or Rotations, though.

Any points it gets by having cameos are cancelled out by how shitty and few the choices were.

>>31056541
Yes? They're copying something either way, so why would anyone bitch about them copying the bigger one we haven't had in a decade over the smaller one we've had every game since Crystal with minor changes?

>>31055461
post game wise it's fucking shit compared to Emerald, Platinum or even BW2. It's still better than the whole of gen6 though I'll give them that. But hell they didn't even manage to do their own concept right
>make "battle legends" show up like Red and Blue
>shit on the opportunity to include other awesome characters
>no Steven, Lance, N or most other champs
>no Silver, Barry or other rivals except Wally since hey they still had his sprite and battle theme lying around so why not recycle it
>no team bosses like Giovanni or even the faggots from gen3 (they even had the fucking sprites and battle themes what the fuck)
>no Tower Tycoon Palmer, other Battle Frontier faggots or other top trainers from past gens
>no popular gym leaders from past gens
Wasted opportunities like these really make me think how the hell GF decides shit like this. Did they brainstorm literally the first 5 trainers they could think of and call it a day?

>>31056825
the thing with this is that they not only teased Red and Blue but others like Wally too. With just Red and Blue one may have thought they are running the tree and are the only bosses and seeing other trainers would have been an actual surprise. However seeing Cynthia and Wally in the trailers made people believe this will be a huge thing with all or most of the memorable trainers of the past. So yes it was not only lots of wasted opportunities, they also started fucking up when they teased the battle tree.

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>>31056429
>Dat music

Stop liking things I don't like

>>31056825

Would N even be done with competitive fighting?

>>31055461
It is the Battle Tower with the least content since its conception in Crystal. It forgoes ha in new original characters and brings back old characters instead, and then doesn't even do that right by having version exclusive people and a very small number of trainers from other regions.

Its had nature feels the worst its ever been.

I have absolutely no idea how you could possibly think this. Not in an "opinions suck" thing, but seriously.

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>>31055461
Nah, the PWT from B/W2 and the Frontier are better

>>31057326
Considering that between BW1 and BW2 the fucker made up 4 weather teams to just sit on for whenever, it isn't unreasonable.

>>31055491
>"Yeah, but, I already convinced myself that Sun & Moon were going to be the best Pokemon games yet, so if I admit to any of the games many faults, that basically means I'm admitting I was wrong."

>>31056825
>It's still better than the whole of gen6

Maybe XY, but I just replayed ORAS, and ORAS is the better game hands down.

>Better post game
>More exploration
>Not as linear
>Less hand holdy
>The first few hours of the game isn't text.

Sun & Moon are mediocre games at best. ORAS on the other hand are at LEAST above average. People just hate them because they gave Emerald they gave Emerald the shaft.

>>31055461
Have you ever even looked at the postgame in previous games?

>>31056825
>calling polygons sprites

>>31057521
gr8 b8 m8

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>Enjoys Blisseys with Minimize, Mudbomb, and Softboiled while holding bright powder.
>Enjoys the over abundance of Quick Claws
>Enjoys scarfed, Jolly Aerodactyles
>Enjoys Colress' M.Metagross

I'm just bitching at this point. Please post some in depth teams that got up to 50 victories please so I can attempt to copy what you did in hopes to make it just as far. I've gotten to 36 and got fucked over by some flinching rng in their favor.

>>31055461
Not as good as Battle Frontier or PWT but it's okay

>>31057521
ORAS is much more disappointing but in the end SM is a worse ORAS mechanically that is still a better game because it actually has personality

>>31055491
With the big difference that it's not "beat easy to unlock hard" anymore, it's "beat hard to unlock cheap" right from the start. You have to be a mentally challenged baby to lose any other "first round" in games that aren't SM, but here being one is normal.

>>31056825
You should know Gamefreak is the actual definition of 1 step forwards and 2 steps backwards. They can always do so much neat shit each generation and keep the neat shit from previous generations but never do. Each new generation is simply an experiment to them it seems for them to try some other ideas they had but of course never adding anything cool from before.

>>31057788
SM has a shit tier "personality."

>>31055461
>Best piece of post game content in years

Does that really mean much when the two most recent games before SM had pretty shit post game?

>>31057788
Like I said, ORAS is the better GAME. If you're a "muh characters, muh story" guy, then I guess Sun & Moon is for you.

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>>31057717
>Doesn't even try to make a counter argument

Thanks for admitting I'm right anon.

>>31057760
I won with M.Scizor, AV Primarina and Life Orb Garchomp

>>31057884
ORAS has better characters than SM desu. Except Zinnia.

>>31055491

except

>doesn't start with unevolved shitters
>more music options than maison
>always EV and nature optimized difficulty comes in actively counterpicking your team and increasing max IVs
>megastones and z moves
>Illegal bullshit like Shell Smash Komomo-O
>NPC options for Doubles

sorry Kaloshitters I know half the stuff i mentioned was kind of in your game but Tree >Maison

>>31056541
At least that would've been more content. The Battle Frontier was the Battle Tower plus like four or five extra facilities. This is just a single facility with even less options than in the Maison.

I wish you didn't have to start over from scratch when you lose, though. I get that it's all about getting good streaks, but the first twenty battles are always easy as fuck, it feels like such a waste of time to have to do those again.

>>31057882
But he's not even right about that. ORAS had a better postgame. Say what you will about Zinnia, b ut at least the Delta episode had some awesome music. What was the UB mission?

>Catch UBs
>Report to Looker
>Looker tells boring story about how Anabel might be from another dimension
>Rinse and repeat

I mean fuck, at least the Emma sidemission in XY was at least a little heartwarming. Not to mention what everyone else was saying: that the Battle Tree is jsut a shitty version of the Battle Tower that is masked with fanservice.

>>31055461
Yes in the last 3 years

>>31056544

>that shitty kalos gym leader theme and it's shitty mega lycario remix

TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACK!

>>31057452
Oh cool, it's Pokémon/Fate crossover art. I didn't know people even played Fate/Extra.

>>31057955
>No rotation battles
>No triple battles
>Double and Multi battles drop to 5 FPS

Nice try

>>31057521

>ORAS is the better game hands down.


hahaha that's rich man.

oh wait you're serious?

Not one single Pokemon has had good post-game. Not one. I roll my eyes whenever people bitch about
>m-muh battle frontier

As if it wasn't the same fucking garbage. I wish they would pull something actually fun like an NG+ where everybody has high level Pokemon and the Elite Four all have level 100's on their teams.

>>31058000
Trips of truth

>>31057987

>missing abortion battle options like rotation and triples
>not playing on a new 3ds

>>31057987

but anon no one liked Triple Battles

then again Battle Royale sucks too

>>31058000
Jesus fucking christ this would be amazing if they ever implemented this. I really enjoyed the Challenge mode BW introduced but of course Gamefreak didn't keep that kind of a feature in. Assholes.

>>31058000

>gamefreak
>pandering to the post game crowd

pick fucking none

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>>31058075
>tfw this person is right...

>Unlock Super Singles
>Try it out
>First battle is meme ferrothorn stall with t-wave, iron head, ingrain, and sandstorm while holding leftovers
I know it wasnt even a real stall set but fuck me

>>31058212
Yeah you're gonna come across a lot of really gimmicky "fuck you" sets in the Tree. There's a lot of bright powders and quick claws it seems.

>>31055461
The Battle Tree is just an objectively worse Battle Maison though.

>>31057884
I'm not either of those. I mean in little things. Legendary capture quest but with story and lore. Region that has character in its locations. I suppose, characters as well. One of the biggest problem with ORAS is its just so bland.

>>31058000
That doesn't sound any better though.

Higher levels =/= More fun

>>31058036
>>31058055
Your argument to a game having less features is "I didn't like them"

Badass

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>>31058000
>playing through SM again
Not a chance. Even if there was some semblance of a challenge this time around, the amount of cutscenes was so beyond ridiculous there's no way I could force myself through that.

They should just have a fucking difficulty setting. Make it some weird button combination like deleting your save on ORAS so the kiddos can't accidentally pick the wrong difficulty. There's no excuse for this bullshit anymore; SM literally has trainers with a single underevolved pokemon ~10 levels below the curve as late as the fourth island. There's a Team Skull grunt in Po Town that has like a level 25 spinarak or something. What the fuck?

It's actually to the point that I really can't keep playing these games anymore. The entire combat/team building system is completely undermined by the fact that there isn't a single remotely challenging encounter in the entire game. And competitive battling on the cart is the worst it's ever been since there's like nine million legendaries in this game and none of them are banned, so if you want to make a team with your favorite mons you just get annihilated by ultra beasts and broken megas. Fuck SM

>>31057521
I agree. OR/AS allowed us to obtain so many legendaries.

>>31057760
Aurora veil a-ninetails, porygon z with z-conversion thunderbolt, and mega mence

>>31058267

>objectively worse

I fail to see how it's even objectively DIFFERENT, much less worse. It's the same god damn shit. GameFreak probably hasn't even touched the AI code since they made the Battle Maison in X/Y and just copypasted it into OR/AS and S/M fullstop.

>>31057760
Mega Salamence Magnezone and Alolan Ninetales (not even that good of a team desu)

>>31057987
No one likes Rotation or Triple.

>>31058717
I like both of them.

>>31058592

b-but it's all supposed to be realistic. skull grunts are just a bunch of losers who go around abusing power in numbers, it makes sense to the story that they are weak individually.

>>31058717
Rotation was ok, normal triple sucked ass.

>>31057760
Same for me. I had Ninetales (Light Clay, Aurora Veil is super useful), Marowak and Specs Koko, and I would've gotten to 50 if I Koko didn't get one-shotted by a goddamn Dugtrio with Fissure at 41.

I spent time EV training these things, but it's really demotivating to have to start over again and waste another half hour to an hour getting through the first slog of easy battles.

>>31057760
Those FUCKING Aerodactyles.

>>31058717
Yes we do

>>31058000
Gen 5 had quite a bit of high level post-game trainers and exploring to do

>>31058681
I know Triple and Rotation battles aren't popular, but don't act like they don't exist.

That's what the tree is missing, btw

I see babby tried his first battle facility/tower

>>31055461
Basically you're saying, I finally gotta ultrabeasts to carry me through facilities because I don't know how to pokemans.

>>31057760
>36
How bad are you. Shits the same since XY. It's easy as fuck as always just minimize risks.

>>31057488
Bahaha

This.

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>>31055461
>t. walrein
You have to go back.

>>31059316
No, I got to mid 30's pretty easily with just Alolan Muk, Decidueye, and Mimikyu. Won with Mega Mence, Magnezone, and Alolan Ninetales.\

>>31055461
Currently doing super doubles for fun and dat lag. EQ/Rockslide/RockyHelmet/Protect Garchomp for solid damage. Tapu Koko for mermentum and oneshot volt switch / dat dazzling gleam damage. Physical Celesteela for slamming fairies and dat coverage. Hydregion/Gyarados for Intimidate/Earthquake/Coverage shenanigans. Easy wins all day.

The only good facility is PWT. All others relies on RNG so much that's just frustrating. Also you don't need to go on autist bike simulator to win on PWT, unlike the others.

>>31059460
>B-bu-but anon! This time we get to go on autistic rodeo simulators.
If you have to rely on rng to win you're bad.

>>31059510
Tell that to the goddamn double-flinch scarf aerodactyles

>>31055461
I always liked the battle facilities, unfortunately Tower and its clones (including Tree) are by far the most basic and "boring" of the bunch. Fuck you Masuda, I miss the Battle Frontier so fucking much.

>>31058036
Nigger, I have a N3DS, and I still see noticeable frame drops in doubles. GameFreak is SHIT at optimizing and always have been. They couldn't even fit Johto onto a single cartridge and had to get a higher up (Iwatta) to do their job for them, and he did such a good job that they put in a whole second region into the game.

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Earlier today.
>battle tower, game 84
>my last pokemon are heracross and his is registeel
>just need this hit to connect and I'm good
>registeel's quick claw activated!
>AERIAL ACE
I can't take this anymore.

>go, Infernape
>Infernape uses Fake Out
>Infernape uses Fling, it throws out a king's rock
>Infernape uses Acrobatics, it's not very effective
>Infernape uses Encore

that's what i get for trying to setup

>>31059924
It's your own fault for trying to set up on something faster than you. Fling + King's Rock is super common in the battle tree.

Battle tree would be a lot better if it was 6v6 especially for doubles.

4v4 is just small enough that rng can fuck you and the ai gimmick teams mean you have to use 4 OP mons rather than a team with cohesion

>>31060135
Thanks, captain obvious.

>>31055491
Fuck the Battle Tower. When I was younger I used to think beating it will somehow continue the story.

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>>31060135
Pretty sure that was his point you didactic faggot

>>31056825
>It's still better than the whole of gen6 though I'll give them that

Nah, better than XY sure, but you'd have to be a literal underage on his honeymoon phase to say it's better than ORAS, even if ORAS is the worst remake.

>>31060649
>>31057521
He/she said the postgame of Gen 6.

Though that's wrong because it honestly is worse than ORAS postgame, which is already bad

>>31055461
You are the reason Pokemon games are becoming more shit over the years.

En...not sure what it is about the tree but I have played it more than the maison...100 doubles right now. Much be the much better music options

>>31058717
rotation battles were fun

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>>31057987
>>31058055
>>31058717
I miss Maison triples because it was the only place I could get my retarded gimmick Water/Fire Pledge team to work. I think I still have a replay of it stomping on the Chatelaine.

>>31062229
I hate triples...but I legitimately had fun bullshitting my way to victory with choice scarf serene grace blissey spamming rockslide for flinch hax all the way to 50.

>>31055491
Battle Maison:
>Non-Super Battles have you battling with NFE shitmons
>None of the opponents use any special tools

Battle Tree:
>Challenging right from the start
>AI trainers use Mega Evolutions and Z-Moves against you
>Get to battle and team up with many important NPCs like Cynthia and Colress

Battle Tree is superior.

>>31057955
You forgot something:

>abilities are still randomized

>>31062434
Battle Tree is missing triples and rotation though.

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>mfw I don't realize until after that the legends themes don't play if you don't have the music set to default trainer theme

Literally why gamefreak?

>>31062524
Meh they're not even remixes, who cares. Also you could just exit and re-enter if you want to hear their theme so bad.

>>31057955
Battle tree does not counter pick

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>it's the best because it's the newest!

GF dick suckers will never cease to amaze me.

>>31058592
>The entire combat/team building system is completely undermined by the fact that there isn't a single remotely challenging encounter in the entire game.

So you played with the EXP share on and with the battle style on "switch". So your complaint is meaningless.

>>31062736
this desu
It's like a reverse "Zelda cycle" not implying that's really a thing, people will praise the new game to high noon and then shit on the last one

>>31057760
ATails@light clay with freezedry/moonblast/veil/encore
Reunuclus@life orb with recover/psyshock/shadowball/trickroom
Machamp@lum
Dynamic punch/stone edge/knock off/fire blast

Encore stops set up sweepers, and veil gives you the balk you need. Lost once at 49 because I made some bad plays, but the team is solid

>>31062704
>literally a million dark mons holding roseli berry appearing to control my prankster klefki.
lel

>>31055461
Instead of having pissbaby easy difficulty to cheap difficulty it goes from normal/fair difficulty to super cheap difficulty, it also has a much better background and looks much more comfy


Battle tree is better

>>31057760
Assault vest Mudsdale, Clefable with Softboiled, M-Mence

>>31057955

>actively counterpicking your team

This is a fucking meme.

>>31062867

It doesn't counterpick.

>>31062971
are you implying that a dark pokemon using roseli berry is a normal thing and not a direct counterpick to my klefki? because you sound fucking retarded if that's what you meant

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>>31057760
Got to 93 wins with Choice Band Azumarill, Mega Metagross and Garchomp. At round 94 it sent out a Mega Gengar last against me and having already lost my Garchomp the other two were easy pickings for it.

>>31062805
You realize most kids play pokemon by sweeping the entire game with their overleveled starter, right? EXP share and battle style are completely irrelevant when you can setup with any sweeper and plow through anything the game throws at you. There literally is no way to make the game challenging outside of stupid meme shit like nuzlocke.

Absolutely fucking comical that apologists keep pretending like the EXP share is the reason that pokemon games are a total joke, and that you can just turn it off for a challenging experience. Give me a break.

>>31063010
>You realize most kids play pokemon by sweeping the entire game with their overleveled starter, right? EXP share and battle style are completely irrelevant when you can setup with any sweeper and plow through anything the game throws at you. There literally is no way to make the game challenging outside of stupid meme shit like nuzlocke.
>Absolutely fucking comical that apologists keep pretending like the EXP share is the reason that pokemon games are a total joke, and that you can just turn it off for a challenging experience. Give me a break.
So just to be clear, you had the exp share turned off?

>>31062993
He is directly stating that the battle tree does not counterpick. Dark types holding a berry that lessens damage from an se move is normal too. You can see on serebii what all of the possible sets are. If your Mon gets "directly countered" so often that it's a problem then it's probably not a good tree mon

>>31063173
It's not so much as it being directly countered as a fact that it is easily countered by a taunt from a dark mon that is immune to prankster.

>>31059703
It's weird going back to XY. Everything from saving, battling, and menus feel way faster than SM

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>>31063110
dude, are you illiterate? he's saying it doesn't matter whether it's not or off since the game is too fucking easy regardless. you just take one mon with good neutral coverage, level him and you're invincible.

>>31063193
I feel that. Make sure to build your the rest of your team with that in mind if you are dead set on klefki then

any suggestions how to beat multi battles?

>>31063110
Yes? Instead of quoting my entire post, why don't you try reading it?

>>31058592
>They should just have a fucking difficulty setting.
Considering your later posts, there would be no point to it.

Also
>SM literally has trainers with a single underevolved pokemon ~10 levels below the curve as late as the fourth island.
Yeah right.

>>31063291
Just find someone with a good mega then use MegaMence or Kanga yourself.

>>31063233
>oh my god, this game is too easy if you decide to spend hours grinding and get them overleveled.

No fuck off. I played with the EXP share off and these games were the most challenging Pokemon games I played in a while. You really have no right to bitch when you are deliberately making it easy

>>31063500
>Yeah right.
http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/alola/ancientponipath.shtml

Grunt with a 44 Formanatis.

>>31063010
>You realize most kids play pokemon by sweeping the entire game with their overleveled starter, right?

Yeah, so? You could make a Pokemon game extremely challenging but overleveling one Pokemon would just make the entire game easy no matter what. It's like bitching about how easy a game is when you decided to trade over-leveled Pokemon that you can use. Most people actually play through a game with an entire team. EXP share and battle style are not irrelevant because they are Gamefreak on way of giving you a difficulty setting options. Battle style especially since you lose the free switch in that you get.

So what you're saying is that. You don't know anything about what you're talking about and I should disregard your moronic complaint about difficulty in a Pokemon game. Good to know.

>>31063625
>10 levels below the curve as late as the fourth island.
>10 levels below the curve as late as the fourth island.
>10 levels below the curve as late as the fourth island.
>10 levels below the curve as late as the fourth island.

>>31063578
>implying you have to spend hours grinding
You don't have to grind at all and you'll vastly overlevel everything. Guess you're part of the 13-year old audience they're aiming the games for if you actually had trouble though. The only things in SM that could even pretend to constitute a challenge are the totems, and their AI is so hopelessly fucked that half the time they just spam the same boosting moves over and over again until they die.

>>31063671
Considering how you seem to have played through the game you actually seem to BE part of the 13-year old audience that they're aiming the games for.

>>31063666
Yes satan, most teams are ~50 by then

>>31063671
>You don't have to grind at all and you'll vastly overlevel everything.

No you aren't. Did you even play the game? Because I played through it and I was never over leveled. The EXP system makes this impossible. Once you get to the fourth island, there is a huge level increase and you will usually find yourself at lower levels then the wild Pokemon. Then again, you actually think having one Pokemon with good coverage is enough to make you breeze through the game.

>>31063666
I mean, I was about 51-52 with my no xp share four pokemon team around that point, so he's not that far off. Regardless you're just nitpicking like a faggot.

>>31063661
They could make it so that you can't overlevel by such a vast amount, which is what most RPGs do. Or they could make it so that you won't overlevel just by playing through the game normally. There are plenty of solutions but you're pretending like they're non-viable because you're a brainless shill. "Difficulty options" don't matter when there is no difficulty to begin with.

>>31063625
At this part of the game, your Pokemon are usually at their high 40s. How is that 10 levels below the curve?

>>31063736
he's talking about one pokemon you fucking moron.

>you will usually find yourself at lower levels then the wild Pokemon
lol holy fuck this is so far from the truth. kill yourself for such obvious bullshitting

>>31063725
They really aren't. You're almost at the beginning of the island. At that point you're at 44 at most and Hapu outlevels 90% of the players by at least 4 levels.

>>31063739
>I was about 51-52 with my no xp share four pokemon team around that point,
Yeah sure thing dude. Fuck off and nitpick your own brain.
>getting to 50 before Lusamine 2
>without grinding

Who are you trying to fool?

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>>31063661
>EXP share and battle style are not irrelevant because they are Gamefreak on way of giving you a difficulty setting options.
Not really, since EXP share is how the game should work normally. Having to lead with your shitmons just to level them up was always terrible game design and the new EXP share was a good fix to keeping your whole team on curve. But they can't balance to save their fucking lives which prohibits you from using it if you don't want the game to be playskool tier.

>Most people actually play through a game with an entire team
Is this a joke? My baby cousins are obsessed with pokemon and all of their teams are like one level 70 starter and a bunch of legendaries. I did the same shit as well when I was a kid. It's even easier now since you don't need an HM slave

>>31063773
And I already told you how fucking stupid it is to complain about how easy a Pokemon game is when you go out of your way to grind and over level one Pokemon.

>lol holy fuck this is so far from the truth. kill yourself for such obvious bullshitting

It's bullshit like this that makes it easy to disregard your stupid complaints, since everyone here tends to criticize the huge level jump on the 4th island.

>>31063739
>They could make it so that you can't overlevel by such a vast amount

They did. That's why they implemented Gen V EXP system this generation. It's the reason why leveling up to Lv.100 is so tedious in this generation. Do you even know anything about the game you're criticizing.

>>31063840
what huge level jump you stupid cuck? lusamine's team is 41, and the wild pokemon on poni are like 40-43. "everyone tends to criticize" more like just you since you're fucking trash tier

>>31063839

Oh wow. A kid can beat a kid's game. How shocking. No one said Pokemon wasn't easy, but this generation actually was far more difficult even for someone like me, which is why your criticism that Sun and Moon are "piss easy" are wrong.

>But they can't balance to save their fucking lives which prohibits you from using it if you don't want the game to be playskool tier.

But the EXP share this gen was balanced thanks to the new EXP system. Again, did you even play the game.

>I play like a fucking child with starters and legendaries. Why is this game so easy?

Okay, so you're that retard. Got it.

>oh my god, I hacked in a level 100 mega rayquaza, why is Sun and Moon so fucking easy.

>>31063828
Dunno man, that's pretty average. I even agree with you that SM are probably harder than the previous few games, but you're just straight wrong here. If you catch a decent amount of pokemon and fight every trainer, you'll probably hit Poni in your late 40s. The wild pokemon give a shitload of experience so you could easily hit 51/52 by the time you get through the first couple areas.

>>31063917
Might want to try actually reading what his post before you embarrass yourself.

>oh my god, I hacked in a level 100 mega rayquaza, why is Sun and Moon so fucking easy.
Who are you quoting?

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>>31063917
>the EXP share this gen was balanced thanks to the new EXP system
hahahahahahahahhaha holy shit this guy had trouble with the xp share on

>>31063868
I can randomly post let's play videos, and you will notice that almost all of them tend to be on par or below the wild Pokemon level on Poni Island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkhMy9kr7XI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraqhpLJZCQ

Were is this "10 level below the curve" thing you're saying? Also misusing the word "cuck" there.

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>>31063917
>I play like a fucking child with starters and legendaries. Why is this game so easy?
Actually all I said was that that's how most kids play through the game, and that it's only really possible because the game is so easy that you never really have to bother building a team. Good job being a retard though I guess

>I hacked in a level 100 mega rayquaza, why is Sun and Moon so fucking easy
What?

>>31063926
I caught a decent amount of Pokemon and fought every trainer outside the Skull Grunts on the hill outside Po and my whole team was UNDER THE WILD MONS and the trainer with the fucking Toxapex at the beginning of the island was hardcore.

I was 10 levels behind Solgaleo and the team was under 50 for Lusamine 2 except my starter.
I got to Kukui with my starter 7 levels behind his own.

I don't see how you can possibly be 10 levels superior to the area without grinding extensively, sorry.

>>31064043
Was that supposed to prove your point? His starter is 46 upon arrival and would probably be ~50 by the next area

>>31064054
>without grinding extensively
You mean trying sos chains to look for hidden abilities, fighting random encounters, hunting for rare mons etc...? Yea, I guess if you call playing the game normally "grinding"

>>31064046
And how the fuck is the way a kid plays the game have to do with your fucking retarded complaint that Sun and Moon were "too easy" when you already been told again and again why you are wrong. The EXP share is balanced unlike X/Y. The Totem Pokemon use strategies that make them more difficult then the conventional gym battles. Legendary Pokemon have guaranteed 3 perfect IV and elevated stats, so wow, the game is so easy. Of course, even that complaint is dumb because Lunala is not very good against the Elite Four. And you don't even receive the legendaries until near the end of the game, so you're wrong, the majority of the game will encourage you to build a team. Again, did you even play the game? Amazing, this complaint sounds more stupid the more you think about it.

All I'm saying is that your complaints against Sun and Moon being too easy are fucking stupid. And you're not proving me wrong.

>>31063986
>>31063956
># of unique posters didn't increase.

Hey faggot. I didn't say I used the EXP share, I'm just saying that you're wrong because the EXP share was balanced this generation. Yet another reason why your complaints are not valid. You complain about being overleveled, but there is no way you could be overleveled ala Pokemon X/Y because of the way the EXP system works unless you went out of your way to grind for hours.

>>31055491
>Crystal
wait wha
>googles

holy shit I never knew that Crystal had a Battle Tower in my entire life

>>31064190
In fact, your complaints are so dumb I'm surprised you haven't said that Z-moves also make the game too easy.

>>31064190
Pretty sure the point is that the fact that you can even play that way (with one pokemon) is a testament to how much of a joke the games are. Then again, I don't expect you to actually read any of the posts you respond to.

>>31064152
Don't try to act so innocent now. Overleveling your team looking for HAs is definitely not fucking normal considering you could use whatever fucking else Pokemon not part of your team, like Greninja.

Fighting random encounters does not put you 10 levels over everything and with "rare" i suppose you mean SOS rares, where the argument i made above applies.

You know i played against a Blissey base that i didn't know was placed there in ORAS once and i just leveled my whole team up 20 levels but i'm just playing casually hahaha


Fucking please. I grinded for a fucking shiny Dewpider while training MY OWN low level Dewpider and the Greninja and nothing else.

>>31064093
Yeah, because the wild Pokemon are 43-45 and the trainers are about that high too. Hence, his Pokemon are on par with the level of the team. His other Pokemon are also 41. That's at most a 5 level gap. Where is this "over-leveled" problem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqLauDAkfBA

>>31064321
>Fighting random encounters does not put you 10 levels over everything
close to it on poni actually, since the encounters are high level postevolution and give lots of xp. also the encounter rate is insane in SM.

>>31064234
>the EXP share was balanced this generation
it isn't balanced at all though. my sister played moon with it on and she's at like, 50 or something before lusamine, which is way way too high. xp share is noob tier shit and always has been

>>31064298
So then why the fuck are you bitching about Pokemon Sun and Moon difficulty specifically when your problem is with all Pokemon main series game? If you want to play a actual difficult mon-catching series, play SMT. Fucking retard.

>still no fucking inverse battle option
imagine how much post game you could get out of learning those matchups alone

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>>31064387
I have been bitching about the difficulty of the entire series. Sorry you're inventing arguments in your head instead of actually reading what you're responding to.

>smt
>hard
lel

>>31064321
Using a game mechanic introduced extremely early on to look for rare abilities and rare pokemon is not normal? Okay, I guess everyone should just spam repels and sneak around every trainer like you.

>>31064190
>>31064234
Gonna have to disagree with the EXP share being balanced part. It's still just as fucked as ever in SM; you'll stay slightly above par until maybe the third island or so, and then you shoot up way beyond the average trainers and totem mons.

>>31064321
>actually using the greninja
>grinding for shinies before finishing the main story
i bet you stayed on level 3 of tartarus until you were level 80 in persona 3 then bitched it was too easy until nyx because that fight is always bullshit

>>31064458
No, fully evolving a starter before the first gym isn't normal either, and they let you do that too.


Nice projecting, too. Funny how you somehow missed reading me skipping only Po's hill and searching a shiny Dewpider.

>>31064497
i had the exp share on the entire game and all of my mons were 2-4 levels below the champions when i got there. did you seriously farm hidden abilities in the grass for 18 hours instead of playing the game?

>>31058000
That's all I fucking want is a NG+, let me start over and rebattle the whole game with everyone's moms being evolved and about 10-20 levels higher in enemy battles, that's the most simple shit and yet GF refuses to do it, not once, yet they pool their money into faggotry bells and whistles. New forms, type changes, and aesthetic that nobody fucking asked for yet they think we'll like it. A truck needs to be driven head on into their headquarters

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>>31059524
>Tell that to the goddamn double-flinch scarf aerodactyles
FUCK YOU BLUE
YOU WHORE

>>31064510
yea, they shouldn't let you do that. what's your point?

>>31055491
Except SM gives you a ton of tools to more easily EV train and a method for finding out which pokemon have good IVs, which adds a lot more replay value into the battle tree because optimizing a good team is way easier.

>>31064505
>looking for hidden abilities and rare pokemon(????) before finishing the main story
>not using the Greninja EXCLUSIVELY for SOS hunting without putting it on your story team
Also why did you tell me your experience with Persona 3?

>>31055461
What? Why? It's just a Battle Tower with very few cameos.

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>>31064570
>looking for hidden abilities and rare pokemon(????) before finishing the main story
when else would you do it? oh wait, you're one of those autists that puts 1000 hours into every pokemon game and thinks that everyone else does the same?

>>31064555
My point is that you think that grinding wild battles for 18 hours is "playing normally".

>>31064281
Its the game that started Battle Faciities

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>>31064510
>>31064607
>playing around with a core game mechanic that was supposed to be a fun, new addition to the series is equivalent to grinding wild battles for 18 hours
did this make sense in your head?

>>31064602
>you're one of those autists that puts 1000 hours into every pokemon game
Says the one spending 50 hours of his first run grinding SOS to "find rare abilities and rare Pokemon"
Hilarious.

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>>31064655
Says the one who thinks that you shouldn't start playing the actual game until you're finished with the story
Pathetic.

>>31064570
Hate to break this to you, but most people put the game down after the story (if they even make it that far) and never pick it up again. Tons of pokemon in the early routes have 10%, 5%, 1% encounter rates, or are only available in SOS encounters, so if you want them on your team you need to spend a lot of time looking for them. I don't see how you could possibly act like hunting for pokemon you like is some bizzare, backwards way of playing the game. And even then it's GF's fault for making everything that isn't a kantomon, yungoos or pikipek rare as fuck

>>31064653
Battling wild mons is a core mechanic since the start of the series. That's all you're doing. Don't complain you overlevel if you're willfully grinding.

>>31064691
But you're the one saying that you don't want to play the game and only want to grind.
If i want to get those things you mentioned i certainly wouldn't use my playthrough team. They give you an "unruinable" Greninja for a reason. Too bad it doesn't learn False Swipe, but i had other non-team mons for that..

>>31064806
>Tons of pokemon in the early routes have 10%, 5%, 1% encounter rates
And nobody forces you to fight EVERY SINGLE ENCOUNTER when searching.

>or are only available in SOS encounters, so if you want them on your team you need to spend a lot of time looking for them
And nobody forces you to use your own team to spend a lot of time looking for it, they give you more than 6 Pokemon choices for a reason.

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>>31063578
Not that anon but my counter argument to that would be why does cutting the exp share off have to be a factor to make the game more difficult in the first place? like whats so hard about taking the difficulty option that low in behold used to be in bw2 and put in the next games?

>>31064903
>grinding
>difficulty
Even without the new exp.share it's hard to be difficult when you're 20 levels above everyone else.

>>31064890
Then you're forced to go out of your way and tediously swap pokemon out just to avoid making the game too easy, which is bad game design. Might as well say to just swap out your highest level mon whenever you get too overleveled, since that's a similarly shitty solution to the difficulty problem.

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>>31064909
ok fine grinding doesnt equate to difficulty, whatever but then if thats the case whats stopping you from just thinking about your team comp and item setup to overcome a difficult opponent?

>>31064918
You know what else is tedious and makes the game too easy?

Grinding against wild Pokemon over and over.

>>31064281
you just admitted that you're underage


please leave

>>31064963
Nothing, but that literally could never happen ingame.

You know the only way a Pokemon game is difficult?

When it's a "Battle" game. Like Stadium, Battle Revolution, etc.

Same levels, same restrictions, no trainer items, no trading, no bullshit gimmicks.
There's a reason why facilities are the hardest part of Pokemon games and the ONLY hard part of them.
Because they get rid of everything the player has in its favor. And add bullshit cheap RNG in the game's favor, but that's another story.

>>31064979
no one is talking about grinding for the purpose of leveling, but how the game forces you to grind if you want to actually find more than the same set of five pokemon over and over again. but you're just being intentionally obtuse and repeating yourself like a dumbass, so whatever

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>>31065041
but it could though its just that gamefreak is incompetent when it comes to these games, they could easily add that same level of depth and difficulty to the rest of the game but they chose not to because then it would be considering pandering to an older audience, but then again that all could just be fixed with a simple difficulty option that doesnt involve over leveling to clear the obstacle but once again that goes right back around to banking on gamefreak not being incompetent shit heads for once

Just beat Red in regular Singles by the skin of my teeth, I'm thinking the most resourceful use of my BP is picking up one of the Mega Stones available so I can get through Super Singles easier. What's the best Mega stone to get? I would think either Metagrossite or Salamencite. Any suggestions?

>>31057760
Pheromosa@Life Orb
Naive
252 Atk/4 Sp. Atk/252 Spd
U-Turn
Ice Beam
High Jump Kick
Poison Jab

Tapu Koko@Terrain Extender
Naive
4 Atk/252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd
Dazzling Gleam
Volt Switch
Thunderbolt
Brave Bird

Xurkitree@Electric Seed
Timid
4 Def/252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed
Volt Switch
Thunderbolt
Tail Glow
Energy Ball

Got to 50 with no major problems.

>>31065149
>but how the game forces you to grind if you want to actually find more than the same set of five pokemon over and over again.
And yet it doesn't force you to grind your team.

Not mentioning a good 90% of the SOS-only mons also have their pre-evos readily available in the wild, with only a few exceptions to already rare Pokemon, like Happiny. Or does the game FORCE you to get that Salamence, mmh?

Try to actually REALIZE who's obtuse here. Certainly isn't me.

>>31057760
I was able to get to 50 with Kartana@Life orb and Nihilego@Assvest, with megamence in the back just in case