What have gone so right? I don't get it. How the fuck is

If I recall, it gets an even bigger boost than a mega evolution would?

Specs Pump hits hard as FUCK. Water Shuriken is strong now.
A-wak stops Koko, Phero and Celesteela from fucking your face every game.

>>31039646
HE HAS NO COUNTERS
HE HAS NO CHECKS
THIS FROG SWEEPS THE POKEDEX
HE CAN TRANSFORM WHEN HE NEEDS TO
AND DIE TO BLAST BURN
JUST FOR YOU
THIS CRAZY FROG JUST DIGS OU

>>31039685
Yup, +110 instead of the regular +100, while gettign Water Shuriken buffed and being able to hold items.

It's the most cancerous special snowflake bullshit to ever grace the games.

>>31039646
its basically a mega that doesn't waste a slot and can hold an item, kinda like a baby mega fug

>>31039646
>Same about A-Marowak.

Huge attack
Great offensive typing
New signature move that does huge damage to anything unresisted without downsides
Old signature move is a great sub destroyer
Lighting rod gives it an important immunity

Typing and ability work very good in the current meta

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hoping you can ability capsule torrent grens so I can make one shiny

>>31039700
Come on Froakie, take it to the smogs

Suspect, ubers, anything goes. legendaries, megas, and ultra beast hos . HUH

>>31039745

It's an alternate forme coding wise. Even if there was a hidden ability capsule you wouldn't be able to get Battle Bond on normal Greninja.

>>31039745
>You will never have a shiny Ash-Greninja
It hurts.

Genseben is becoming don't let anything die: the meta with this shit and all the beast boost type abilities everywhere. Stall will soon take over as it prioritizes the entire team staying alive.

>>31039646
The more their buff this fucking frog, the more i hate it

is it really better than prothean?

>>31039646
Nice coverage, barely any checks, amazing speed tier, strong STAB priority that can break substitutes.

Honestly, when it gets banned, it'll suffer the same fate that protean greninja suffered. Protean Greninja is really only viable as a toxic spikes lead, and IMO Ash-Greninja will actually be worse. It won't work as a priority revenge killer, since Pdon, and it wont work better as a toxic spikes lead because it needs to get a kill to change forme.

>>31039732
Wait, A-Marowak does something else besides checking Celesteela?

>>31039808
Protean with life orb kills faster without set up. Battle Bond is just a good late game sweeper since you still have to kill something to trigger BB

>>31039817
good. Ash-Greninja can rot

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>>31039824
>countering top kek
>checking top bull
>checking top lel
>top fini can't enter into shadow bone which is spam worthy as fuck
>countering roach
>checking IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE?
>crashing celes with no survivors
>unless weeb blade have night slash, checking him too
>lel christmas tree
>bulky enough to take hits, spread burns and hitting like a truck

probably

>>31039808
after changing forms it's almost as the same power as protean with non-stab
STAB are horrifyingly strong
Specs is a god damn nuke, life orb with coverage is amazing late game cleaner and very underrated
it's bullshit tier in rain too

>>31039942
It dies to everything with SP. As well as being very vulnerable to revenge killing

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Ash-Greninja Water shuriken is almost as good as fucking Talonflame brave bird, both in life orb and specs.

Remember how great Talonflame was in late game cleaning?
this one doing the fucking same.

>>31040006
>water shuriken with life orb
>please revenge kill me daddy, I've been a bad boy: the move

>>31040026
>revenge kill
>priority
are you a fucking retard? unless it's scarf toplel?

>>31039808

About the same overall but Protean Greninja is a straight Sweeper while Ash-Greninja is a late game cleaner since it needs a kill to become good.

>>31040042
>no other pokemon has a +1 prio move but mine
Do you not know what revenge killing implies?

>>31040114
AeroAss-Greninja is fast as fuck

Do you not know what revenge killing implies?

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>>31040114
And which fucking other priority user are you going to send? who, Dragonite? Zygarde?


252 Atk Choice Band Zygarde-10% Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja-Ash: 152-179 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO


What will you use, banded dragonite?
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja-Ash: 204-240 (71.5 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Then i will just switch to my Marowak/steel type.
Seriously, you have no fucking idea what are you talking about. it's literally on the same shit about "revenge kill talonflame", You can do it only with extreme speed, a move that so few pokemon get.
also unlike Talonflame, Ash-Greninja isn't losing all of his HP and have actually coverage.

132 speed and 153 s.atk while having 60bp sash-sturdy-sub-disguise fucking with more chances to crit + having an item

Hell, after the new games and their tutors, Ash-Greninja could abuse his 145 attack too with gunk shot.

>Ash-Greninja is a Mewtwo with Technician priority who can bypass subs/sash, Mega-manectric speed and Landorous-T strapped on his shuriken for ATK support. Oh, and it's can use items, same as Mewtwo.
No, seriously.

>252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 165-195 (37.1 - 43.9%) — guaranteed 3HKO

>252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 165-196 (37.1 - 44.1%) — guaranteed 3HKO

>>31040283
>water shuriken life orb damage = KO

>>31039700
I kek'd loudly

>>31039745
that green is way nicer then the black

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>>31039646
>/vp/ keep saying how Battle-bond is shit
>it's actually ranked A+ while protean is A

loving every laugh.

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>Can't be bred

>>31039781
Coding wise Regular greninjas Ability 2 is Battle Bond so it might be possible

>>31040812
Battle bond Greninja is a completely different pokemon coding wise. It's not a regular Greninja. It's a stand alone pokemon that has 100% male ratio and can't breed. It's literally the same as thinking Greninja could get blaze because Infernape has it.

>>31040785
>640
what the fuck

>>31040798
What's the problem? Soft reset to get a good nature and use bottlecaps to pseudo-max its IVs.

What nature am I supposed to SR for? Timid right?

>>31040812
It's not. Greninja's normal ability slots are both Torrent. Ash-Greninja has Battle Bond in all slots, including HA.

>>31039968
>It has a weakness! Useless!

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>>31039646
I heard this thing is IV-locked. Is that true, and what are they?
Can I get a Naive or Hasty nature on it? Whichi is better?

>>31042907
31 IVs in HP, ATK, SP. ATK, and SPE
20 IVs in DEF and SP. DEF
If I'm not mistaken, HP might be 20 though.

>>31040931
Its IVs are already maxed.

Not being able to breed means you can't get egg moves on it or get the right Hidden Power. Ash-Greninja would benefit from Hidden Power Fire.

>>31042907
31 Atk SpA Spe, 20 everything else
nature isn't locked, just save before you collect it

>>31042942
what HP does it get?

>>31042927
>>31042945
Thanks, friendos. Hasty or Naive?

>>31043049
I guess that depends on whether you want to be able to take a physical or special attack.

>>31043089
Is there any scenario where that matters with its defenses?
I figure keeping physical def so priority moves do a bit less damage, but I'm retarded compared to good players so I don't know if that's worth considering.

>>31043124
Download ability

>>31043124
The opposing Porygon that everyone seems to be using

>>31043180
That seems less common than the odds of you getting hit by priority, but might be worth considering.
>>31043240
I thought people run Adaptability on it instead of Download?

>>31042996

Ghost.

>>31042907
>running -def natures

use timid. even if you're using u-turn. u-turn is more for utility than damage.

>>31043606
I'm just thinking that it has paper defenses already, and that it would be a shame to waste that huge attack stat.
Plus it if gets some nice physical tutor moves in the future I'd be able to swap sets easily enough.

>>31039709
Multiple Battle Bonds can also activate in one round, although the same one can't trigger multiple times, and most competitive formats ban dupes so it's not like that's particularly relevant.

MegaGreninja is fucking stupid.

>>31039700
>>31039755
Beautiful

>>31039646
Ash-Greninja is better than Protean because the current meta is very offensive and thus higher speed and super Water Shuriken are more desirable traits than being unwallable. Protean Greninja does have a more overbearing effect on a balance dominated meta than Ash-Greninja has on an offense dominated meta.

On a tangentially related note, how the fuck does Pokémon Shownigger still not have an option for bottlecapped stats.

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>Megazard-X is A rank
>Ashninja is A+ rank

>>31046065
Even more proofs that Kalos league was bollocks

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>>31046065
sweet, sweet justice.

>>31044551
Even after, Ash-Greninja will still be stupid good.

What if Ash-Greninja already had its stat from Battle bond right off the bat and can have the ability Protean?

>>31047836
Quickban.

A better question- battle bond now work like the primals. Changing form at the very start and power up water shuriken.

What changes?

>>31040466
It's still black, it's just the Z-Move aura thing that makes it look green

>>31046065
You're ignoring the fact that Ashninja needs set up. It needs at least 1 turn to set up before being A+.

>>31048018
Ban. That's the whole reason Fug was banned. Ability to Mega Evolve without a stone.

>>31048133
At least with A-Greninja you lose out on your ability, unless you consider the Water Shuriken buff to basically be his ability, in which case you still only get it for a single move in the game.

Meanwhile Mega Fug only had to sacrifice 1/4 of his movepool, and it's not like Dragon Ascent was a bad move.

>>31048299
Still, it would be fast enough to outspeed almost everything, and have access to a Priority 75 BP STAB. On top of that, the ability to hold Items. Even without Protean, it would be broken.

>>31039745
I'm just hoping for a shiny battle bond greninja event

>>31048299

I wouldn't call it sacrificing when everyone would run DA on fug anyway.

>>31043352
That's not bad, HP has a base power of 60, it's the strongest ghost type move that Greninja can get
>>31042907
>Mine is jolly
At least i'm running mystic water with it, not to mention the battle bond cancelling out the debuff to water shiruken that the nature provides