>it's an anon doesn't relive Gen IV metagame by

what

>>31034653
I would if Froslass wasn't so shit.

>80 sp atk
>shit defenses

Without permament hail she may as well not exist.

>not pretending its G3 and using Claydol while listening to All Your Base for great justice

>not using FEAR

It's like you hate winning.

>>31034842
she's a good suicide lead

>>31035251
Suicide leads in MY 2016?

>>31035289
>not running a suicide lead on your ho team
baka

What was the most offense based meta?

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>>31034653
>Gengarfags btfo
>Starmie, Gyarados, and Dragonite are the last remaining bastion of genwun that isn't shit

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>>31035289
>Not using Azelf to set up Sneaky Pebbles and explode
>Not using Gyaravire
>Not using ChainChomp
>Not using SubSalac Empoleon
>Not using FlinchHax Togekiss
>Not using Swampert
>Not using Infernape
>Not using Yanmega

>>31035312
Probably Gen 5. The Button and Choice Specs Hydro Pump/Fire Blast in your weather pretty much murderfucked everything.

>>31034653
>Gyarados is STILL able to easily sweep even without mega evolving
Never change.

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No Guard Dynamic Punch isn't that big of a threat anymore no matter how hard I try

>>31035393
and people still wonder why it isn't water/dragon

>>31035312
Gen 5 by far
>infinite weather
>120 BP Fire Blast and it's clones
>140 BP Draco Meteors and it's clones
>no Fairies that would stop said Dracos
>50% boost type gems
>Flying Gem/Acrobatics in general

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>>31036407
It's arguably better as Water/Flying, especially now that Fairy type exists
>tfw used to sweep niggas on PO with SubBounce DD Gyarados in late HGSS era
shit was cash famlams

How is guts now that burn damage was reduced?

CALM MIND WAR

>>31036462
Still worse than No Guard
Seriously if youre using Machamp for anything but Dynamic Punch trolling you're doing it wrong then again Fissure Champ might soon come back with a full vengeance

>>31036473
That confusion nerf though

>>31036481
True
Machamp seems to always be getting the short end of the stick since gen 5

>>31034653
Gyarados on the ground looks so much better, so imposing. Holy shit Gamefreak get your shit together.

>>31036473
>tfw always have Skarmory on my team
No Fissure for you have to be careful about Roosting, though

>>31036531
true. Not only that, new pokemon keep on taking away what made Machamp unique and iconic--Conkeldurr outclassed him, Golurk entrenched on the No Guard Dynamic Punch shtick and now Buzzwole took the /fit/ aesthetic. My disappointment has gotten to the point that I barely play the games now.

I didnt expect much with the official Machamp website, and the inclusion in beta/concept work and the demo but I really thought it was going to mean something for the guy that could

>>31035289
Suicide leads are making a big comeback

>>31035312
Gen5. Rain boosted Hydropumps and hydreigons fire blasts and dracos meant nothing could last long, not to mention popular set up sweepers at the time like volcarona, who could fit in with rain just fine thanks to hurricane and giga drain.

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>not using a team of Tauros, other normal type, tw psychic types, Golem/Rhydon and a filler
Is like you dont want to revive the genwun meta

>>31036565
Let's see where Fissure gets him. I mean, it will be obviously banned by default on Smogon but VGC/Battle Spot could be interesting.

>>31036697
I really want to use the champ but it isn't working out no matter how hard I try. He's sadly a one-trick pony now, and his trick ain't even that good anymore