For another fucking generation, Garchomp has proven that it doesn't

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>Sneasel used ice shard!

>>31031462
Best signature pokemon of everyones favorite and best champion goes a long way.

>my mom's ice type used ice shart

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>>31031462
Being the literal base-line for what constitutes as OU is nice. Being able to be a speedy bruiser with a fantastic offensive typing is great.

Also

>He

>>31031486
>adamant level 100 sneasel against jolly garchomp only has a 40% chance to KO with a life orb
>if adamant Weavile doesn't have LO or choice band, he can't even OHKO garchomp with ice shard
>that's only on a garchomp with no defensive investment whatsoever

Honestly one of the perfect pokemon. Not only is it good, but it's has plenty of checks and weakness that it doesn't create a centralising and cancerous meta.

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>>31031486
>Ice Shard does 30 points of damage!
>Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
>Sneasel fainted!

STAB Dragon and Ground is extremely good and it's 2 points over the cesspool of base 100 speed Pokemon.

Whenever the meta creeps, Garchomp creeps harder.

> tapu lele used moonblast!

>>31031566
Exactly, even a hit from one of the most OP special attackers in the current meta won't OHKO tank-chomp.

>>31031562
it hasn't gotten anything decent since rough skin, sand veil and sand force are kind of shit without permanent sand up and it's movepool hasn't expanded any. Poison Jab is more useful this gen with Bulu taking more damage from it than anything else, but i don't even know if chomp learns it desu. it hasn't really creeper at all. It dropped from Uber to OU, if anything everything else is creeping up to chomp, albeit slowly

>>31031566
have fun switching in

>>31031609
it can switch in on the button, SD, SR, Dragon Tail, Fire Blast and Fire Fang. But it doesn't really HAVE to switch in at all.

>>31031658
>pokemon has checks
wo

Well, Gengar did it for 6 generations straight

rip Levitate

>>31031668
i don't understand what point you're making, or if you're making one at all

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>>31031602
>creeping up to chomp, albeit slowly
Honestly it created the creep.

EVERY pokemon needs to hit 102 base speed to be considered for OU, unless of course you're tank in which case you better be able to survive the incoming STAB earthquake from Garchomp.

I can think of plenty of pokemon who would do nicely in the OU environment but can't due to being either:

Too fragile
Literally below 102 by a point or two

Heidreigon is by far the biggest victim of this issue. Three points to speed and it's very much viable in OU, but it's only partially viable thanks to it's tankiness.

However, the biggest thing I want to clarify is not in OU =/= bad. Many pokemon can work in OU but are much better in UU as well. Empoleon is my favorite example, he can certainly work in OU (and sometimes creeps up due to his tankiness being very much welcomed) but UU is his strongest department.

>>31031462
I fucking love Garchomp. Easily one of the best dragon types, no matter what Karenfags and Flygonfags say.

>>31031728
>Three points to speed

I MEANT FOUR TO TIE WITH GARCHOMP

FUCK

>>31031728
Hydreigon isn't bad because it's slower than Garchomp, it's bad because it's weak to the best type in the game and because it's slower than every base 100 in the game and has to go without priority and only has middling bulk

>>31031785
Bug isn't that good of a type

>>31031785
Being 4x weak to fairy doesn't mean shit. He CAN kill things but he's just below the magic number of 102

>>31031785
Did you even read his post nigga

>>31031911
yes

>>31031868
yeah it can kill things, but it's in a shit speed tier. garchomp aside it's still inferior to shit like latios, stingulor, etc

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>>31031462
Fairy types aren't immune to STAB EQ while having an quite an unfair stat spread for non-ledgendary standards. Although your overselling Chomp's relevance a little too much. It pales in comparison to how centralizing it was in Gen 4. Compare that to say in a meta where Outrage spam is a near death wish and viable, non-niche pokes like Ice Punch Buzzwole wearing an Assault Vest handles Chomp very well.

>>31032005
How can a stat distribution be so perfect.

>>31032045
it would be perfect if it had 40 points taken out of Sp. Atk and moved somewhere else

>>31032260
>he doesn't use fire blast
you've never fought a skarmory or ferothorn have you?

Flexibility

Too bad he is no longer the feared sweeper back in DPPT

>>31031540
Then he'll just use icrash because he's faster

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>>31032260
Are you insane? It's special attack is strong enough to 2HKO Steel types with Fire Blast. Have you ever heard of the "Chain Chomp" set?

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Garchomp is perfection. Cute, cool and competitively viable.

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>>31031462
Now I am become Death, destroyer of Garchomps

>>31032260
>he doesn't use ChainChomp

He can pack a mean Draco Meteor when Mega, and then still attack physically afterwards. Conversely, if burned, people often don't see a Draco Meteor coming for them anyway.

>>31031462
well
hes kinda struggling now with tapu bulu psuedo nerfing earthquake

>>31032260
maybe you should spend less time abusing le ebin surprise black text and spend more time actually using Garchomp.

>>31032366
>not wanting a fire fang off of colossal 170 base attack
yeah some people are stupid anon but seriously?

>>31031543
It wasn't the case in gen 4 though.

102 base speed

>>31032935
Why not just use the mega then? It can actually go Adamant unlike regular Chomp.

>>31031462
you being an insecure 2000s baby

>Power creep catches up to Chomp.
>GF relents and finally gives it Dragon Dance.
>Day one ubers.

>>31031462
I'm sure I'll manage somehow.

252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales-Alola: 208-246 (72.4 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 384-456 (107.5 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If you're not Choice Scarf'd, well, I feel bad for you, son. I got 99 problems, but a Garchomp ain't one.

>>31033190
Fire blast

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>Garchomp learns Shore Up and Dragon Dance in Gen 8
>Your face when

>>31033190
>Things have counters wooooooow
What's your point?

>>31033232
Focus Sash is standard on Ninetales.

>>31033289
First off, no it isn't. Light Clay is. Also, what is stealth rock?

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>>31033236
>both are viable on megachomp
>gf releases sandstorm, sunny day and rain versions of aurora veil
>megachomp becomes good
>mfw

>>31031518
>Not he

>>31033828
>gf releases non-hail versions of aurora veil
Once again, ice gets nerfed, albeit indirectly.
You did it, anon.

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>>31031462
he is in luck because his playstyle (which is focused on speed and power) line up with what smogon thinks pokemon should play like. due to that, anything tht might counter it get banned for being overcentralized, unfair, luck based or some other shit.

-someone who didn't actually play vgc

>>31032325
and miss LUL

>>31031785
Disagree. Hydreigon's Speed is its only real issue. It has plenty of offensive power, it poses a huge threat to almost anything in OU, it has good bulk for pivoting and can be used on offense, but it's held back by its low Speed.

Honestly, I could see Hydreigon becoming more relevant in OU this gen. The number of relevant OU mons that are sub-base 100 Speed has shot up.

what do you guys think of this build?

Katima Aigias (Hydreigon) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 128 Def / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Rash Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Dragon Breath
- Flash Cannon
- Taunt

>>31034361
Why invest in defense?

>>31033938
fuck ice man if you want to buff them make ice SE against fairy too and make it resist like one more common attacking type

>>31033115
I hope I'll have moved on from Pokemon when the game becomes so shitty.

>>31034391
because speed is not always enough

>>31034361
>rash natire over timid when it has zero physical attacks
>128 def and speed for no reason (seems like you just threw them in arbitrarily without doing calcs/looking at speed tiers)
>wasting your time doing zero damage w/dragon breath when even with para chance draco will always be superior
very not good

>>31034493
what it can outspeed with 252 spe its usaully can outspeed with 128. players will rarely see this coming.
rash is for RP porpuses actually. yeah.
draco meteo might be a good idea actually. it never stays around enough time to abuse prz.

>>31034540
>rash is for RP porpuses
dude holy shit you have to be 18+ to post here

>>31034611
not him but that doesn't necessarily mean he's underage. He's just more than likely autistic.

>>31034611
i made that team in honor of another game i played. what wrong with that?

>>31034672
>PROUD
>OF
>ITS
>POWER

>>31031486
xD

>>31031486
>Tyrogue used Vacuum Wave

>>31034683
>everything that isn't straight on battle aimed is PoIP cringe level
NOW whos the one showing his underage?

>>31032737
stone edge :^)

>>31034611
>roleplaying is bad in an rpg
Mcfucking off yourself

>>31031540
fine


make it a weavile than

>>31034725
>>31034741
did you really just samefag as quickly as possible and not realize how obvious it would be
that isnt even a common opinion here in the slightest (>proud of its power)
please god fuck off, you do not belong here

>>31034611
>caring about other people's autism this much on a croatian goat milking board

W E W
E
W

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>>31034771
>assuming shit
I repeat, Mcfucking off yourself

>>31034791
Nice shoop

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>>31034791
McFucking kill you're self my dude

>>31034803
It doesn't work like that faggot, especially with 4chan X

>>31034771
in case you didn't realize, 'PoIP' stands for 'Proud of its power'. get lost kid. stop trying to 'fit in with the cool guys', you are only empashizing your lameness by doing so.

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>>31031462
>He.

>>31034825
PROUD
OF
ITS
POWER

>>31031785
The point of Hydreigon is that it CAN kill things, it's just not fast enough to do it before someone pulls out Moonblast/Play Rough.

Had its speed passed the magic 102 it would have been able to kill or at least severely hurt things in OU.

>>31034839
How? It came out before that Jojo anime.

>>31034851
its a meme, you dip

>>31034851
pretty sure it started in 2012

>>31034834
>everything that isn't straight on battle aimed is 'proud of it's power' cringe level
NOW whos the one showing his underage?

>>31033380
I'm trying to think of pokemon that could still 1 shot Ninetails through aurora veil that would make Focus Sash even a secondary tricky option. Most could come super close, but I have to go do the math. I'm guessing actually garchomp + fire fang.

>>31034881
youre posting in a thread explicitly for battling
the format of the original hydreigon set is from showdown, an online battle simulator
how fucking autistic are you
also theres a very fine line between using less than optimal natures/moves because its ingame and specifically seeking out something shit for no reason outside of your autistic rp shit

>>31034891
anon, garchomp learns iron head

>>31034540
It seems like you're trying to make your Garchomp 'special' but you're actually just ruining it. It's fun to run stuff for fun but if you're not shooting for the top, what's the point of trying - and if you're not trying, then what's the point of battling? Because if you're trying even a little bit to be good, you'll get to the point where you're going to have to optimize this set.

It's fine to just be silly and have fun, but if you're blatantly going against what is optimal in favor of being original, then there's no point in giving much of an opinion on this because you know exactly what you did and why.

I really badly wanted my Raichu to be a physical attacker. It's not and I'm a fucking retard. I made it work for a few games here and there but at the end of the day, Raichu had to learn Thunderbolt and buck up. (And then Raichu had to buck up and sit in the box.)

>>31034920
I always forget that Ninetails is Fairy type and that Ice type is also weak to Steel type fuck me.
I feel like even celesteela would just pump that dick with a heavy slam too huh

>>31031486
>Not having a Yache Berry for this

>>31034912
im posting on a thread explictly for sucking garchomp dick
the format of hydregion is set from pokemon, a roleplaying game for kids
stop projecting and grow up.

also rash nature is far from shit. its just less good than some other natures.

>>31034960
youre actively seeking to make your pokemon worse for no reason outside of the same autistic logic of the proud of its power guy
you are autistic, and you have no excuse

>>31034938
>It seems like you're trying to make your Garchomp
no i'm making a hydragion
> 'special'
no, im eally basing it off a character from another game. this is why i didn't give it the timid nature- the character its based off isn't a coward.
>if you're not shooting for the top, what's the point of trying
im trying. trying to make the best mon while still under the limitation of it being a tribute. its a self imposed challangee, much like nuzlocke or mono types.

>physical raichu
>fake out, volt tackle and flail
why not really?

>>31034996
my excuse is that the pokemon is based on another character and i work within those limitation. saying its the same as PoIP guy is the same as me saying you inssiting on trying to have your pokemons powerfull= following smogon tampletes. you are just overexagrating.

>>31031462
His megas was a mistake

>>31035731
Yeah, his mega should have boosted his speed and attack to 150 and given him Moxie.

>>31035731
If they didn't make it slower than the regular form, it would be good.

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>>31031462
i hate Garchomp so god damn much

just wait until the gen 4 remakes the starters will get a mega or a Z move and infernape or torterra will finally be able to beat the shit out of garchomp easily

im still mad at how the last scene in the diamond and pearl anime is infernape losing to garchomp

>>31035044
>no i'm making a hydragion
Yeah, and this is a GARCHOMP thread, that you just derailed with your memery.

>flail ever being viable

Seriously do you even play

>>31036062
fine
>fake out, volt tackle, protect, last resort/volt switch
>leftovers

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>>31031462
>Swinub used Powder Snow

>>31036062
also
>derailed
someone else mentioned hydragion, another one mentioned how shit it was, and the one to blame for derailment is me?

>>31031728
>EVERY pokemon needs to hit 102 base speed to be considered for OU, unless of course you're tank in which case you better be able to survive the incoming STAB earthquake from Garchomp.
That's so wrong holy shit just fuck off

>>31031462
By having quite possibly the best movepool in the game. He literally learns viable moves from every type except for Ice and Fairy.

Garchomp has more flexibility than most other pokemon on top of his amazing stat spread and fantastic typing. He can basically be unpredictable and is always always a dangerous pokemon to switch into

Moreover he can be very easily built to kill anything that counters him on the switch in and is a great target for support and for supporting other sweepers by killing their counters

>>31031462
It's all about the speed tier, and the options it has. Garchomp needs only Earthquake to function well. Once EQ is done, Chop can freely pick between shit like Dragon Claw/Outrage, and Stone Edge, or special shit like fire blast, or support moves like pebbles. It is rediculously easy to slot into a team, is strong and bulky enough to deal and recieve damage, and flexible enough to just work.

>>31031462
Salamence or garchomp?

Should one still run Dragon STAB on Garchomp? Dragon seems like such a mediocre offensive typing now.

>>31036797
>garchomp drops is dragon stabs
>get wreckt by literly anyother dragon now
GG

>>31036797
It hits birds, plants, and bugs.
Birds are covered by Rock, plants (and faries) are covered by Poison Jab. That leaves Bug. (Remember, the only bugs worth mentioning are Buzzwole and Pheromosa).
Honestly, if it wern't for other Garchomp, there would be no reason to run Dragon Claw. In Doubles, it's better since it gives Garchomp precision STAB.

>>31031462
Garchimp is the reason we can never agree on a no-legend/megas meta.

>>31036797
Your using an inferior Lando-I without Dragon STAB. Only 2 types resist Dragon which makes it an excellent move to to grab neutral coverage with.

>>31037164
Whoops I meant Lando-T. Lando-I is the special attacker.

>>31031679
Haxorus Breaks the Mold!

>tfw no alolan garchomp that's dragon/steel or dragon/water

>>31034361
Cringe

>>31034724
>Goldeen used Peck!

>>31037929
>Zeckrom used Gigavolt Havoc

Garchomp sucks in doubles

>>31038487
Use Kingdra
Island Scan mons weren't allowed at the recent VGC so that's the only reason Golduck saw play

>>31031462
And people still stay gen 4 didn't add good mons

>>31038916
It didn't. Name 5 mons from gen 4 that are relevant in today's meta that are not Garchomp.

>>31039226
Porygon-Z
Gastrodon
Magnezone
Rotom
Jackie Chan

fuck

>>31039285
>gastrodon
>rotom
>jackie chan
Literally who?

>>31039226
Not counting megas:

Heatran
Rotom
Magnezone
Gastrodon (VGC)
Cresselia (VGC)

Wew that was hard

>>31040150
>rotom
>vgc
Anon, did you not read when I said 'today' and 'meta'?

>>31032005
>>31032045
I honestly fucking hate it when they make Pokemon have virtually no flaws just like that. Hated it when they did it with Garchomp, hated it when they did it with Thundurus, hated it when they did it with Mega Kangaskhan, and most recently hated it when they did it with Mega Salamence. I feel it really hampers the diversity of the metagame.

>>31040179
Rotom-W is still good, what the fuck are you talking about?

VGC is more relevant than Smogon could ever hope to be.

>>31040221
They should just make every pokemon that way.

>>31040238
Competitive play would become very boring very fast that way

>>31040259
How did you come to that opinion?

>>31040290
I just think Pokemon are more fun when they're designed with a particular role/niche in mind. Making every Pokemon good at everything reminds me eerily of Guild Wars 2 where they made every character class be able to do anything they want (heal, tank, dps etc) and made the PvP boring as fuck as a result. I guess thats where my personal distaste for Pokemon like Garchomp comes from. It's just a poor game design no matter how you slice it.

>>31040237
Kek, keep thinking that, GameFreak apologist.

>>31039226
how many pokemons are relevant in today's meta anyway?

>>31031462
>tfw read the thumbnail as "kiss the cuck"
welp, that's enough 4chan for me today

>>31040590
depends on how you define relevant

for some anything that isn't OU basically translates into shitmon

>>31039285
Weavile, Gliscor and Tangrowth you fucking pleb.

>>31040627
well, i want to ask how much the person i replied too considered relevant

>>31040511
Smogon is SR apologist meta. They go through so much trouble to never change, that there isn't really any point to following them. You couldn't make the game less interesting if you tried.

>>31040590
Several. The Tapus, UBs, Toxapex, Garchomp, Landorus, Metagross, Genesect, Greninja, Magearna, off the top of my head. These are very relevant mons.

>>31040237
>rotom-w
>good
Play 10 battles on Pokebank OU and tell me how many Rotoms you'll see. Hell, play Battle Spot after Pokebank drops and count how many Rotoms you'll see per 10 games. It's been cucked to hell and back, its utility is outclassed, its typing is pretty much shit nowadays, and it has only passable bulk. Its not relevant.

And VGC is an absolutely shit and boring meta. You're complaining that Smogon is the SR apologist meta? Then VGC is the Protect apologist meta, much worse.

>>31042421
He wasn't complaining about SR meta, I was. Protect doesn't bend the entire metagame around itself like SR does, so of course any intelligent person would consider it the superior, more varied and interesting meta.

>>31042520
>Protect doesn't bend the entire metagame around itself like SR does
Are you mentally defunct?

>a move literally every pokemon has and is borderline necessary for the format
vs
>a move that only a few pokemon have, that not all teams use, only inconveniences a group of mons, hurts stall and HO cancer, and can easily be gotten rid of with rapid spin or defog

>any intelligent person
So shouldn't you be saying Smogon is the better meta since you clearly aren't one?

>>31042687
>a move that only a few pokemon have, that not all teams use, only inconveniences a group of mons, hurts stall and HO cancer, and can easily be gotten rid of with rapid spin or defog
The definition of centralizing. Suck that smogon cock some more, why don't you.

>>31042687
>>31042768
I might as well just cut in ahead of you, since I've done this too many times before.

>lol "not all teams use"
>lol only inconveniences ___"
>"hurts cancer"

According to smogon, the teams that don't use it aren't competitive, entire types (fire, ice, bug) are considered non-competitive unless they have a secondary type that resists it and god help any mon with a x4 weakness, setting up stealth rocks is considered so important that 'suicide leads' - a pokemon whose sole use is to place rocks and die - are a thing even when your lose condition is to run out of pokemon, any team that doesn't have a way to remove stealth rocks is considered non-competitive, stealth rocks is so important to viability that Azelf, a pokemon that had fantastic offensive stats and movepool in D/P, was used as a suicide lead instead of sweeper because laying rocks was more important than sweeping or even an entire pokemon, and the list just keeps fucking going. There are pokemon that would be OU barring a stealth rocks weakness, fucking ho-oh was considered for OU due to a x4 SR weakness, and oh my god does the list keep going.

Protect is nowhere near the meta-bending faggotry SR reaches. You are an apologist, trying to pretend like your cancer isn't terminal.

>>31042926
why are you anti-smogon autists so delusional lmao
its a fact that stealth rock is an amazing move. that is not smogon's fault, that is gamefreak's. if you want to do well in battling, then you should prepare for said move.
smogon is not some big baddie out to shit on your bros, when you say shit like "entire types are considered non-competitive" you are quoting not smogon itself but the autists it attracts (and there are autists in everything under the sun). i wont even get into the fact that no one with a brain will ever even utter that sentence since there is much more going into a pokemon being viable than their typing
think theyre going about it the wrong way? make a team around ariados. sweep people with cryogonal. i wholeheartedly invite you, and the non-autist users of smogon would love to see that too.

>>31042926
It's obvious you haven't 'done this before', just parrot opinions and posts, or are just retarded, because damn this is a hunk of shit.

>according to smogon
Pull out the source.

>teams that don't use it aren't competitive
A lot of teams run it. Some don't, and many of those teams do decent. Meanwhile EVERY VGC mon runs Protect. Every last fucking one.

>entire types
Then why are there fire and bugs in OU, and mons with 4x weaknesses? It's because Rapid Spin and Defog exist.

>suicide leads
This is like saying Pelipper being a lead is a thing because it's crucial to rain teams, and then saying rain is centralizing.

>azelf
It didn't hit as hard as a lot of top OU mons at the time, couldn't take a single hit, died to most priority, but it knew SR and was fast. That's why it was a 'suicide lead'. But alright, I'll give that SR was centralizing in the DP meta. It's been fixed since.

>Ho-Oh was considered for OU
haahahahahhahaha

>the list just keeps going
And I could go on for longer how cancerous Protect is, yet you'll defend VGC's garbage ass 'meta'.

This is all so sad when this is the only problem you can bleat out of why Smogon is a shit meta. Antismogoncucks really are the fucking worst thing to ever migrate to the site from reddit

>>31043254
oh jesus christ i didnt even see the part about ho-oh
im pretty sure he gets all of his "information" from /vp/ and /vp/ alone

>>31043311
Kek yeah

I can't even remember one time when Ho-Oh was suspect tested or was considered seriously for a move down to OU, and I've been around since DP. He's definitely pulling it out of his ass or /vp/ had a couple bait threads on it once

>>31031462
Favorite poke.

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I don't think anti-Smogonfags realize how bad a meta without SR would be.

Garchomp is the worst dragon, he loses every other dragon.

>>31043115
Yes, obviously the move that's been warping the meta around itself for the last few gens is an amazing move. I think you missed the part where my complaints were based on it being way too good.

Smogon is at fault for the simple fact that they're a large community who refuses to accept that it's OP, even by their own standards, and will attempt to shoot down and silence anyone who tries to say otherwise. Game Freak listens to them like they listen to all their other players, and while they may miss the mark more often than not they at least try to give the players what they want. As long as a large enough portion of the playerbase continues to argue that SR is fair and balanced despite all evidence to the contrary, Game Freak will keep it as-is.

Yes, I'd agree that there is more to pokemon than just typing. That's why SR invalidating otherwise good pokemon based only on their typing is so fucking stupid. Remember Yanmega, back when it should've been good but wasn't because of its SR weakness? The phrase "would be good except for stealth rock weakness" comes up way too often. Even when I don't like the pokemon in question, it's still a shame that I'll never, ever see them used well because that one attack I used on the first turn of the battle made them basically unusable unless my opponent wants to give me a few turns while they clear the field.

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>>31031462
>Weavile used Fake Out!
>Garchomp flinched!
>Weavile used Ice Shard!
>It's super effective! Garchomp fainted!
why vgcucks dont use weavile to counter garchomp is unknown to me

>b-but... SWITCHING OUT!!!
still taking damage regardless of the switch

>>31043254
I'm parroting nothing, because I don't even talk to the people who would agree with me since I hate circlejerks and groupthink. If I look like I'm "parroting" anything, it's because these are arguments that have been brought up before, and likely for good reasons.

Stealth rocks is considered so important to viability that any team not using it isn't viable. That is a fact. You lose too much by not using it and gain nothing. A person can play without it, but they are only handicapping themselves and this does not mean a team without SR is viable compared to one with it. A person can play with Pichu in SSBM, but that doesn't mean Pichu is a viable pick in any tournament. You know that argument isn't logical, why did you waste your time like that?

Fire types, bugs, ice, and anything else with a rock weakness is handicapped in competitive play, not because they're weak to rock but because they're weak to stealth rocks. A person can use them if they really want to, they can base their team around removing rocks to get away with using them, but in the end they're still using a handicapped pokemon and handicapping their team for its sake. That doesn't make stealth rocks fair, it makes the other player either insanely dedicated or insanely masochistic.

Rain isn't centralizing because you can override it by sending out your own weather pokemon. This isn't even an apples and oranges comparison, because both of those are at least still round. There's only one stealth rock, there aren't other moves that replace stealth rock with a different flavored version that allows for other strategies, it's just SR punishing you for not using SR teams.

I'll grant that SR isn't as bad as it used to be. It's still bad, though.

The fact is that Ho-oh was considered at all, and that this consideration was based on its SR weakness. It didn't stick, but it's an example of just how important SR was that they'd even think of it.

Protect isn't a meta, why even try that?

>>31035801
>infernape
>torterra
You really have some shit taste there anon.

>>31043807
>still taking damage regardless of the switch
Which means nothing because that Garchomp isn't dead. Good on you for only forcing a switch?

>>31031462
Game Freak was so busy thinking of ways to nerf Talonflame, they couldn't think of a solid counter to Garchomp.

>>31043889
There is?

>>31043932
Garchomp does not have counters, it has checks.

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>>31043948
Hi

>>31043991
>Fire Fang
>Fire Blast

Great counter you have.

>>31031462
more like kiss the cocks

>tfw no alolan water/dragon garchomp.
fuck

>>31032005
Imagine if it had been 110 HP/100 Speed.

>>31044104
UnSTABed uninvested Fire Blast doesn't even begin to scratch Celesteela and no one runs Fire Fang anymore

Do you even play the game or are you just baiting?

>>31043855
To be fair, Empoleon can learn Ice Beam and just 4x weakness it (if it survives). I assume that's why it was left out.

>>31043889
I bet you are that faggot who is spamming the board about that dumb bird.

>>31034421
Ice doesn't need any more offensive power, it needs resistances so being ice type isn't a fate worse than death.

>>31044754
>no one runs Fire Fang anymore
Do YOU even play the game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0W8S2fxdU

>>31034421
That just buffs Water even more and does nothing to help actual Ice types.

>>31043574
SR isn't even as obnoxious as it used to be in gen4, I just wish it didn't half the hp of any pokemon x4 weak to rock.

>>31032935
>not knowing that the power difference between fire blast and fire fang is large enough that fire blast is still stronger
Also theres the fact that skarm and thorn, the main reason to use fire blast, normally go physical defence anyway. So fire fang is even more pathetic. Why don't you try playing then game instead of being retarded.

>>31034746
why would you even use a weavile when timburr can okho with mach punch?

>>31047205
>116 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 232-280 (82.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

you are switching in your timburr? good. you are just giving me a free hit.

>>31049472
>116 atk
kek. weavilefags doing damage control this hard never fails to get a chuckle out of me

>>31049612
il just switch out to my charizard my man. what you gonna do? knockoff the meg stone?

since Garchomp is part shark does this mean he has two cocks

>>31045522

I feel like if Sneaky Pebbles did ice-type damage instead of rock-type people would not be so keen to keep it around.

>>31052744
It should do typeless damage. Gives the benefit the tourneyfags want out of it, doesn't fuck over some pokemon just because of their type, still good but not so stupidly good as to be so fucking annoying.

>Mega Garchomp S (for Sinnoh) is introduced in the Gen 4 remakes

>It's a complete glass canon akin to Pheramosa, dropping both it's Def and SPDef to 30 while pumping the rest of it's points into Attack, Special Attack and Speed
>Except it's ability becomes Dazzling

How would you stop Garchomp?

>>31053414
Sash Weavile, if I was lucky

Garchomp is my waifu.