>2012 BW2 >you can find riolu this early in the game >fuck

>>31028891
/vp/ is secretly full of closet homosexual furries that get insecure when Lucario is mentioned.

Because in XY they're forcing Lucario down your throat

>Significant to the Mega Evolution plot
>Giant fucking statue of it and it's the first know Mega Evolution
>Free Lucario with Lucarionite fairly early in the game (Compared to DPPt where get Riolu as an Egg)

How many non-box legends have gotten this much focus in one game?
>

>>31028922
>How many non-box legends have gotten this much focus in one game?
pikachu

>>31028891
I actually wasn't a fan of early Lucario in BW2, even as a Riolu it made shortwork of everything the game threw at me until I traded it for Heracross as soon as I caught one.

>>31028922

He was in a movie and became a forced mascot. He was the Pikachu of his generation, just less shitty.

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>>31028891
>>31028916

>riolu casually hanging out on a farm with no effect on the story

vs

>Lucario gym leader with 2 lucario randomly
>gives you a free lucario because it loves you for no damn reason
>mega lucario is the first mega evo
>has it's own damn stature
>has it's own fucking tower
>takes your mega virginity
>forced to fight a silly mega lucario vs mega lucario battle
>your bond with this random lucario is apparently stronger than the other two for no inexplicable reason

>>31028972
god damn was xy shit.

>>31028972
t. Closet furfag

Lucario pandering is here to stay for future games. May as well come out of closet while you still can :^)

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>>31029037
Anon please yeah I like furry shit. Doesn't make the lucario pandering any less obnoxious.

>>31028891
It was already kind of polarizing with its horrendously shitty fanbase, but overexposure made the board tired of it in general. Kinda like the complaints of "Genwunner pandering".

Getting a Mega Lucario forced on you and its ridiculous massive statue in XY was the boiling point.

Personally I went from liking it, to getting sick of seeing it everywhere, to kind-of liking it again. It was actually refreshing finding out that Lucario is only available in SM's postgame, and that only one trainer uses it.

>>31029037
It was surprisingly absent in SM.

>>31028965
>forced
Things you don't like aren't always forced.

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>>31029233
>zoroark failed due to GF being stupid in bw1
>brings lucario back with avengeance in gen 6

>>31028891
People want to rail on gen 4 shit being forced down their throat, but they're waifufags who will white Knight Cynthia the moment she's mentioned. So they shit on the dog.

>>31029271
Zoroark was an attempt to replicate Lucario's popularity. It was forced and failed.

Lucario gets focus because he's actually popular, no matter how much /vp/ hates him.

>>31029340
They tried to make Zoroark so special that most people couldn't fucking get one. That's why it failed, not because it was forced upon you.

>>31029233
Lucario really is forced though. They were shilling it hard long before DP were even released.

>>31028891
>everyone complains about him and lucario like they killed your favorite pokémon
as a fighting fag, yes, you can say, in a way, he did

>>31029462
GameFreak can't control who is popular and who isn't. They just capitalize on Pokemon's popularity.

GameFreak picked Clefairy to be the face, but the fans latched onto Pikachu instead, and that's why it's the mascot.

Lucario gets pushed because it's popular. That's why Charizard gets special treatment.

>>31028972
>>mega lucario is the first mega evo
retcon by rayquaza
>takes your mega virginity
>forced to fight a silly mega lucario vs mega lucario battle
like the first one matters
and it was just a glorified tutorial

>>31029597
Lucario was pushed even before it debuted in its generation. It was given a movie despite not being officially released AND was some godlike tier rank in PMD for some reason

>>31028972
I released the Lucario as soon as I got a chance.

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>>31029597
>GameFreak can't control who is popular and who isn't.

>puts greninja in smash before it even has a official name
>gives greninja a borderline broken ability in protean
>has a diverse as fuck movepool and great stats compare to Chesnaught and Delphox
>anime pushes things even further and gives it its own special "mega" form
>said form is available in gen 7

Anon you're so silly.

>31028891

Wait a second.

Remember the first Mystery Dungeon?

Didn't they even add in a Lucario and Weavile statue to pump people up for Diamond and Pearl?

>>31029658
>retcon by rayquaza

Now I know this is true but who gives a shit? Mega rayquaqua nor oras existed at that time

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>>31029597
No, no they can't. But they can predict who is the most LIKELY to be popular and attempt to give them more focus time in order to drive the point home. You're a moron if you think GameFreak/Nintendo don't dump tons of money into focus groups and test surveys with kids to see what designs they like versus what they don't WAY before they ever actually announce the release. See Lucario and Greninja for examples.

>>31029530
As a fellow fighting fag, shame on your for not liking aura doggo, but I do feel your pain.

>>31029597
>Lucario gets pushed because it's popular.
It was being pushed before people even knew it existed. Its very first proper appearance in the franchise was its own fucking movie.

>>31028891
Here's how I see it

In Gen IV, and even prior, they tried to market this thing a lot. In the actual Gen IV games it was pretty rare I think, just being available in an Egg or whatever. I don't know of too many people who used it during the main story, especially since you get the Egg pretty late I think.

In Gen V BW, I think it was only available postgame in a small cave or something. But come B2W2 and you find Riolu fairly easy to catch in one of the first areas of the game and what do you know, it's a Fighting type and the first Gym is a Normal type. If you cared about it a lot you get its valuable Steel typing which helps against say, Burgh.

But in Gen VI XY, they shove this thing down your throat. It's not rare, you get one for FREE and it gets a super mode. Sure, it's more powerful now, but it's super pandering and you don't have to work for it at all. It's literally handed to you.

>>31029795
Even if that's the case then it's still artificial popularity.

>>31029715

What they did with Greninja is fucking stupid.

I mean, shit. Ash's rival during that season was a dude who focused on Megavolutions and constantly won against Ash.

Ash-Greninja was added to make a non-Mega who could stand up to Megavolutions SPECIFICALLY to give Ash a chance against his rival.

Then Ash and Ash-Greninja lose to the Mega guy anyway.

And we're supposed to find Ash-Greninja cool?

When it's a failure of an Alt who has one of the shittiest designs I've ever seen (HE'S GOT ASH'S HAT GUYS WOW).

I fucking hate Greninja.

>>31029597
nope, pikachu is popular because he is the face of the anime, and it was chosen as the face of the anime because he was cute enough to be liked by girls but not girly/pink enough to be hated by men.

Lucario was created to be popular
>has a "cool" humanoid furry design
>has the power to control auras
>given to you by a guy cosplaying as it
>good stats to kill anything
>steel type out of nowhere just to give him more resistances
>pre-evolution even though it was in the same gen as him
>one of the few pokemon that could learn aura sphere (the only non legendary that learned it by level up)
>starring role in a movie
>appeared in most pre-release material for Diamond/pearl

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>>31029830
Not really. It's a simple process: you get a bunch of kids who like pokemon, show them a bunch of pokemon designs you haven't released yet, then ask them which is their favorite and why they like it. GameFreak then takes the answer with the most "because it's cool" answers and tries to market that because it's been shown to be the most popular among the test groups. There's nothing artificial about it, people responded to it positively and therefore that is the one you need to sell. Is this always accurate? Is everyone going to like it? Of course not. But it's better than waiting for 6 months AFTER the release to see which one is the most popular and then start trying to figure out merchandising and promotions and all that shit.

>>31029954
It'd still mean that they're pushing it to make sure that their focus group tested design doesn't fail, instead of letting it stand under its own merits.

Blaziken is a prime example of a pokémon that was let to stand out on its own and actually worked, without it being pushed or powered up to artificially boost it. Things like Speed Boost and its mega came way after it was established as a fan favourite under its own merits.

>>31028972
>takes your mega virginity
I think that came out dirtier than you intended.

>>31029807

>Riolo in B2W2
It's useful in all of one Gym: The First one, as you said. Every Gym afterwards is either super-effective against one of Riolo/Lucario's types (Ground, Flying) or Resistant to them (Poison, Bug, Electric, Water).

Then even the Elite Four are tough for Lucario with only the Dark type Elite providing usefulness in Lucario's fighting type. All of the others, champion included, provide only problems for the dog.

Black and White was suffering for Lucario fans.

Heck, I hadn't used Lucario the last Gen and ended up dropping him after he evolved.

I guess when I think about that it almost makes X/Y an apology blowjob for fucking the Lucario fans so hard.

>>31029950
Uh, no. Japan just seriously has a thing for cute mascots. Nearly everything over there has a cute mascot, and people go wild for them.

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>>31030060
Gen 3 didn't really push any pokemon more than others, though. Can you remember the one pokemon from Gen 3 that they put in everything? Jirachi got a movie, the Lati twins got a movie, Ash had a Treeko, but they really weren't pushing specific pokemon in Gen 3 as much as other generations.

>>31029271
Zoroark was a failure in many aspects.|

> Has an ability that lets it disguise as other Pokemon
> Introduce team preview in the same Gen

Man, Zoroark would have been a very fun troll Pokemon without team preview.

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>>31028972
>>31030077
What entails losing one's mega virginity?

>Riolu hanging out in an early route

vs.

>Meeting a Lucario trainer in a Lucario tower with a giant Lucario statue, who explains that Lucario was the first pokemon to mega evolve, and then makes you fight her Lucario with another Lucario she gives you, makes you mega evolve said Lucario, and then gives you (i.e. forces you to take) said Lucario because said Lucario loves you very much Lucario Lucario Lucario

>>31028972
>takes your mega virginity
This is especially annoying because it's perfectly feasible that you'd have your Kanto starter fully evolved/close to fully evolved at that point. You even already have the Mega Stone for them.

>>31029715
>puts greninja in smash before it even has a official name

Sakurai =/= Game Freak

>>31030164
And that's a good thing. It's more fun when most of them have equal treatment and they develop their popularity on their own. I can kinda give a pass to Pikaclones, but I feel it unnecessary that every generation now has to have it's Lucario wannabe

He was just a cool Pokemon that autists and furries got a hold of until Gen 6 where they absolutely shoved him down your throat with that whole Korrina garbage

His appearance in SM was very good, though Riolu should have been available an island earlier

>>31030169
being forced to mega evolve when you didn't want to? Mega lucario being your first mega evolution....The story will literally not progress if you don't beat what's her face as mega lucario even if you win with standard lucario?

>>31030196
You do realize GF has a big deciding factor as to what pokemon related stuff appears in smash right? Hell they won't even let us have shiny alts anymore outside of pikachu wearing red's hat and loosely charizard having charmeleon yellow and it's GSC purplish shiny.

>>31029397
>>31029340
zoroark had the better movie tbqh

>>31030164
In Gen 1 they pushed Poliwhirl because it was the creator's favorite Pokemon.
>Flop

In Gen 2 they pushed... Pichu I guess? It was in the movie, was in Smash Bros Melee, and I recall had a lot of merchandise. Marill might count too.

In Gen 3... Hm. Uh. Hm. Pokemon kinda fell off of everyone's radar around this Generation.

Then LUCARIO! LUCARIO LUCARIO!

ZOROARK ZOROARK ZOROARK!

GRENINJA GRENINJA GRENINJA!

What's Gen 7?

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>>31030215
Blame big business. They want to make the most money and the easiest way to do so is to shill whatever people think or they THINK that people think is cool. Just about every company in the world does this, doubly so for any form of media.

>>31030275
Agreed. The Zoroark movie is one of the few I've been able to watch more than once.

>>31030276
Alolachu

>>31030178

I'm definitely releasing that Lucario the first chance I get.

Fuck that pushy bitch.

I bet you that Lucario is an inbred idiot and she's an obsessive kennel owner who just mass breeds Riolus and fucks them into evolving.

>>31030276
>What's Gen 7?
Gonna go with Mimikyu.

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>>31030276

Nebby and Lillie

>>31030279
I just honestly don't like it. And there could be a point where in their attempts to make a forced popular character through market research they'll create something like Scrappy Doo or Jar-Jar.

>>31030276
>ZOROARK ZOROARK ZOROARK!
Ah yes, Zoroark. The Pokemon that was so exclusively for cool people that you couldn't even catch it or its pre-evolution in Black/White.

Whose retarded idea was that?

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>>31030334
>lucario from a free egg
>illusion fox from event online
>literally impossible to get zoroark in bw1 now outside of hacks
>fixes things in bw2 but the damage is done

>>31030276
Mimikyu da yo

>>31030164
Deoxys got a movie.

But those are all legendaries, if they're gonna make a movie it makes sense to use them.

This is a main reason why I liked how the franchise was handled prior to gen 4. No one random pokemon was chosen for special treatment over others for marketing purposes, now they've done it multiple times
>forcing lucario into the mega evolution/XY story and making it shittier than it already was
>torchic available immediately at the start of XY, if you liked the other two Hoenn starters fuck you
>Greninja gets an amazing ability, gets absolutely blessed by move tutors, gets an anime form which you can use immediately in SM. If you liked the other two Kalos starters fuck you.
>the embarassing failure of Zoroark

>>31030368
reminder that to get zoroark you needed to partake in TWO SEPERATE EVENTS

>>31030368
>>literally impossible to get zoroark in bw1 now outside of hacks

jojokes on you, I still have shiny beasts in gen 4 games

>>31030276
Gen 7 is either Mimikyu and/or Incineroar.

>>31030334

If you transferred a Celebi into your game you got Zorua as a gift.

I completely forgot about that- I cheated in Emerald and transferred up a faked Celebi to get it.

>>31030324
>>31030376
>>31030399
Mimikyu was marketed a lot obviously but I don't think it's on par with the other three. It didn't get a movie, and its anime appearance is already over (I think, I know it had an episode but I don't watch the anime.)

I also kind of think it's a "dead end" as far as stories/lore/etc. concerning it go. Like, it's a ghost that's jealous of pikachu, so it wears a pikachu costume. That's it.

>>31030389
Oh that reminds me

>lock capsule event never happens
>gets snarl in next game without much fanfare

Why the fuck did snarl need a now nonexistent event anyway? It's kinda crap honestly

>>31030481
I get a feeling they'll try forcing either Incineroar or Decidueye, but I really hope they stop and just let things take their own course.

>>31029060
degenerate

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>>31030535
Hey I'm just in it for the art. nothing more

>>31028891
It's a 5% chance of getting Riolu in a place filled with mareeps and free heals, and even then it's useless until the late game.

In X and Y it's rubbing your ego, given to you for free and it's supposed to be plot-important for some reason.

Also BW2 has best girl.

>>31030492
Well, Snarl is really good in doubles.

Krokodile, Arcanine make great use of it.

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>>31030518
They're not forcing any pokemon this generation.

They're forcing Lillie.

>>31030696
...Good point. Should have tried it in the tree with no guard dog and salamence for laughs

>>31030060
Is Blaziken that popular? It's definitely cool, but I've never met anyone in real life who has it as their favorite. Female Blaziken is really popular online and the porn made me like it a lot more desu

>>31030719
The only real forced character I feel, is Cynthia.

>>31030719
this. i dont even dislike Lillie but she's essentially the main character of SM

>>31030838
I have several friends who have Blaziken as their favourite, or on some spot in their teams.
You disgust me

>>31030122
Skyla's Flying types are not super effective against Lucario's Fighting type because it's also part Steel. And like I said if you get Lucario before Burgh then his Bug type attacks won't be able to do too much against its Steel type.

Also consider the fact that a lot of the tougher Team Plasma trainers use Ice, Dark, and Steel types (namely Zinzolin and Colress), which is where Lucario can shine. Even Kyurem itself would fall to Lucario's strong Fighting type. I think Lucario's fine.

>Zoroark
>needs the shiny dogs or celebi to get one in BW
>frail as fuck only movepool is Flamethrower
>it's ability it's cucked next gen

Funny that gf not retconned Zoroark, fairy/dark suits him pretty well

>>31030883
I don't really have a problem with that, honestly. When the protagonist is both silent and a stand-in for the player you pretty much need other characters to be the ones driving the plot forward and getting development while you sit back and watch.

>>31030925
>it's ability it's cucked next gen
Not even next gen. In the same gen it was introduced.

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>>31030969
personally I found SM's plot to be kind of uninvolving and oddly alienating since the Lusamine thing didnt even have anything to do with me, and once she went to Ultra Space the player has almost no reason to go all the way out there after her. Basically I think if Lillie had her own team of Pokemon the player's role in the story would almost completely disappear.

Besides the player has been silent for 6 other gens and has driven the plot forward fine enough on their own despite that.

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>>31030925
It's such a shame. I've had one on my team since Gen V because it was my first proper shiny, but I can't make it work effectively, and I'm too conflicted to drop it.

>>31031468
Heh Zoura was my first ever shiny/masuda too...during the time I wasn't 100% on proper breeding/competitive play so he's jolly.

>>31031525
Sucker punch, counter, quick attack and iron tail are great dude. Physical Zoroark is actually decent, wrecked some shit with that thing as people expect it to be special only to get hit by counter or a sucker punch if they out predict and switch a spdef pivot.

>Delphox and Chestnaught will never get any buffs ever while Greninja sits in a golden throne next to Garchomp and Lucario.

JUST me up inside

>>31031583
Chesnaught got his much needed tutors and bullet proof so I'm happy. Delphox got...uhh....

>>31031581
Add in u turn, pursuit and swords dance for extra laughs at the other player expense.

>>31031583
delphox and chesnaught are so close to being good it hurts. They clearly got their practice for gen 7 on these, one or two things shy of being really nice.

>>31029715
>has a diverse as fuck movepool and great stats compare to Chesnaught and Delphox

No anon that's called being a Water-type :^)

>>31031687
Delphox got signal beam and dazzling gleam... All it needed was focus miss.

>>31031721
thunderbolt would have been nice too, while we're at it how about an ability that isn't a shitty gimmick. Maybe make magician just give the knock off effect to every move.
>for my next trick, I'll make your item dissapear!

>>31031694
It goes a bit beyond water type and the ninja angle.

Hell it got 2 exclusive moves unlike the other 2...one of them remaining fully exclusive and the other having an exclusive powered up version with battle bond

>>31030279
At first I thought you said "Blame dog business" like you were trying to imply Lucario pushing was a secret deal between the pet industry and Game Freak to drive up dog sales.

>>31031468

Are you running it Mixed or Pure Special?

>>31031759
What the fuck kind of classical/RPG mage is known for stealing shit anyways? You don't see Gandalf and think "oh shit i better hide my wallet".

>>31031468
choice scarf
u turn
Trick
dark pulse
focus blast
what i like to run

>>31031922
Honestly if he was Gandalf the Black I'd hide my shit

>people actually think that zoroark was an attempt at replicating lucario's popularity
It got an event and a movie. How is that trying to force it?

>>31029795
yes they can all they have to do is make it broken, then they can use its use online to justify it being popular.
talonflame is an example of them needing to kill something off, kids didn't really take to it like gf had hoped so the nerfed it into the ground to be sure it stays irrelevant

>>31031922
>>31031953
Mage Hand.

Whereas the Rogue Zoroark at least has to get behind you, the Wizard Delphox can just point at your wallet and pull it out of your pockets.

>>31031884
Pure special. What would you recommend for a mixed setup?

>>31030168
they introduced team preview because of zoroark, they feared it'd be frustrating to kids to predict it and they'd end up hating it as a result, which would mean the test group system doesn't work

>>31030334
>Buy used copy of Black
>Check what the guy had
>Event Celebi and Zorua
>They even have the unique catch messages

good find

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>>31032159
Just because a pokemon is powerful doesn't automatically make it a fan favorite. If that was the case, everyone's favorite pokemon would be a legendary. Visual design plays a lot into the popularity of a pokemon, just because something has good stats and moves doesn't mean it will be popular unless it looks cool/cute/sexy too.

>>31032346
The test group system works fine, the design was never the flaw in Zoroark, it was the execution. Lucario has always been good, but Zoroark's gimmick was too... gimmicky. And useless, considering everyone knew if you were going to have a Zoroark beforehand.

>>31031953
Underrated

>>31032422
small child wins with pokemon begins to like said pokemon
pokemon get shit on every battle, kid will get tired of losing and then replace it

legendary pokemon have a stigma with children a legendary beats a non-legend kids just assume thats because it a legendary, thats why kids always would say no legendary pokemon when batting friends

and the system gf uses clearly doesn't work, lucario being a prime example of why most people were sick of it by the end of gen 5 because of cynthia so they tried to keep it relevant in gen 6, that didn't work, so now they brought cynthia back to see if it was just lucario. or if people hate both of them.

>>31030870
Since I'm sure you're just begging for someone to ask, why is that?

>>31032671
I wasn't.
Either way, she's been in every main game since DP with the exception of Gen VI.
I like her though.

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>>31029715
>puts greninja in smash before it even has a official name

That was LITERALLY Sakurai and his team's bidding. He confirmed that GF had no idea who to promote out of Gen VI because the game hadn't released yet, and therefore, they had no idea who'd be a good representative, so they took the burden off their own back and let Sakurai choose whichever Gen VI pokemon they thought would suit Smash better. See the official Pac-Man reveal interview transript for source or

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/10/super-smash-bros-characters-decided-upon-early-development/

for the condensed version.

>has a diverse as fuck movepool

Most water types do

>compare to Chesnaught and Delphox
Chesnaught has both Great Stats and a movepool that is even greater than Greninja's. It's hindered by having Grass as a typing because grass is a consistently terrible type, and GF seems to have a boner for defensive Grass types regardless of how shitty Grass is as a defensive type.

>anime pushes things even further and gives it its own special "mega" form

He appeared in the anime TWO YEARS after his reveal and appeared in it for a whopping 30-something episodes. By the time they added the shitty jobber-form Greninja was already legendary. Hell, Greninja was the most popular starter in decades ever since he was announced.

http://www.dorkly.com/post/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/26/the-best-worst-xy-pokemon-revealed

here's the >million vote polls that constantly get referenced in these arguments, but feel free to go back into the archive for /vp/ or the official Facebook and Twitter polls and you'll find the same results. And this was Pre-Smash.

The only legit offender is Protean, and even then, viability does not determine popularity. Klefki was a top threat, yet remains unpopular. Greninja isn't even a fraction of what Lucario got in terms of shilling.

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>>31030272
When you look back, it's pretty clear that Gamefreak did not expect Greninja to be the Gen VI rep. The early posterboy for Gen VI was definitely Sylveon, with it getting revealed early and with its own anime special to boot, being the representative for a whole new type and appearing in most early X/Y merchandise. Greninja had little to no appearances in any form of media in the first year since X/Y's release besides Smash (which was Sakurais idea). The first actual advantage in merchandise over the other 2 starters was the Amiibo that was relased only because the whole cast of Smash was also getting one. I'm pretty sure the Greninjash bullshit was done in a reactionary way after they noticed how popular Greninja turned out to be, which is why they took so long to officially begin shilling the crap out of it.

>>31028942
Chorizard too

>>31030060
>Was revealed early and debuted by kicking fan-favorite Charizard's Ass

>stand out on its own

Yeah... no. And overall, Blaziken isn't particularly popular in the Grand scheme of things. I'm not sure it's a proper representative for popular unshilled Pokemon. Even Gardevoir, who was released the same gen and is more popular than KFC is a better analogy.

>>31028972

The funny thing is that you can refuse the Lucario joining your team, and it just sits there, waiting, pondering,

>>31033250
It does? I imagine the game forces you to get it though

I love Lucario. Hating him literally became a meme.

>>31030276

Hopefully Tapu Koko.

Even funnier is that the Lucario you do get from Korinna is kinda shit in IVs too.

You'd be much better off taking a detour to Route 22 and catching a Riolu there early on in the game, since he'd automatically get 3 31 IVs by virtue of being in the Undiscovered egg group (Riolu/other 'baby' Pokémon not getting said benefit in Sun/Moon).

That way, you'd probably have a Lucario by the time you got to Korinna, and he'd be objectively better.

>>31033286

Nope. I did a mono-dark playthrough a few months ago, and after the whole Mega Evolution tutorial, i refused it and Korrina was all like "o-oh, well Lucario will be waiting here if you change your mind."

>>31029078
hmmm is the Lucario train over?

meanwhile the Greninja train still chunggin?

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>>31032815
Actually, based on how popular this thing turned out, i'm willing to say they didn't use it enough. They clearly could've gotten much more out of him because Pokemon THIS popular don't appear often.

>Was THE most requested D-Arts pokemon
>They don't make one

>Was the 2nd most requested Pokken fighter
>Doesn't make it in

Keep in mind this is at the peak of his popularity. Even if they do increase his exposure boyond anime things later on, it won't have the same effect, because the popularity peak already climaxed. Greninja could've moved plenty of Figurines or Pokken copies, but he won't be able to do so anymore. It's too late.

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>>31028891
Sinnohfoeti grew up and currently run the board. Sinnohfoeti oddly hate Lucario because it's "too popular" and "shilled" and "overshadowing their bros," much like some geewunners hate Pikachu.

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>>31033618
Would you believe me if i said that i've always hated Lucario? And it's not at all related to his popularity. I love Charizard, Greninja, Pikachu and most other hella popular pokemon. But nothing has ever killed a pokemon faster than noticin the fact that Lucario doesn't have a muzzle, and instead he has this stupid, gigantic Jew nose. Add to that the fact that it look like some damn Shadow-inspired Sonic OC and you got yourself a shit cherry on your shit sundae.

Is Gladion the only Lucario user who actually feels natural using it

>>31033827
Riley is literally doing the gijinka thing so I think he's pretty easy to forgive for using it, even if his fashion sense isn't.

>>31033503
Helpful reminder that Lucario barely made it to 15th in that huge Jap Poll where Greninja won. I think it is safe to say his era is over, but he will still live on as the king of furry art with Renamon as his queen.

>>31033738
>Lucario doesn't have a muzzle, and instead he has this stupid, gigantic Jew nose.
wtf I hate lucario now

>>31034977
you mean the poll where people voted for the next event?
do you really think Arceus would be the 2nd most popular Pokemon
people probably voted for greninja to get the Ash greninja event

Weirdly, while Lucario was in the SM dex, it wasn't available until the postgame. Gladion uses one, but that's about it.

I guess in BW2 Riolu being early was novel and fun, but XY just shilled it a lot up until you get one.

>>31030276
>In Gen 2 they pushed... Pichu I guess?

I fucking fell in love with Donphan in the first movie. Probably my favourite gen 2 mon.

>>31031066
I guess it has more to do with whether or not you cared about Lillie, most people I know cared about her, and thus wanted to help her.

>>31032703
Honestly I really think they put her in every game BECAUSE she's so well loved. She gets involved in the plot, as much as an npc can anyway. She's really nice and supportive, always takes losing gracefully, has a VERY good team composition, PERFECT IVs before that was even a thing people could get without hacking or save scumming for years on end.

Honestly speaking, it's the closest thing to having the player go up against a previous main character of a story that never was. I mean they literally mentioned in the story that the professor gave her a pokedex and sent her out on a journey of her own. I mean she's too similar to be a foil to the player, so I'm not sure what you could call her.

>>31029309
>Cynthia is the champion in Gen 4
>Appears as a rematchable trainer with no plot significance in Gen 5
>Doesn't appear in Gen 6
>Only appears as a random trainer no different from Wally in Gen 7

I can feel the pandering

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Reminder.

>>31035779
Gen III spin-offs had some weird Gen IV stuff going on. They really liked pushing Munchlax and Bonsly back then despite nobody giving a shit. I don't remember seeing Lucario mentioned in anything but PMD though.

>>31035779
Come to think of it, does this specific Lucario character actually appear later in the series? I'd honestly be surprised if it didn't.

>>31036301
Munchlax is the best baby pokemon tho

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>>31030178

Don't forget that:

>next Gym is grass wich Lucario resists by being steel'
>then electric, but two out of his three pokémon are weak to fighting
>then fairy, wich Lucario rekts by being steel
>next ghost, but just before that you get the Shadow Claw TM that Lucario learns and wrecks her team
>final Gym is ice
>Dr. Octopus team is largely weak to Lucario

Then comes the E4 where only the fire slut has any advantage over it.

>>31029795
>As a fellow fighting fag, shame on your for not liking aura doggo, but I do feel your pain
In all honesty the aura thing fits psychic types better. If it wasn't cucking other fighting types of the spotlight I wouldn't have minded it but yeah

>>31035484
Literally this. People who feel that they've been pandering Cynthia just plain don't like her. B/c for the most part she only cameos in games with no relevance to the plot at all.

Looker would be the prime example of "shove it down our throats". That man has been in almost every game since Platinum and is actually somewhat relevant. I love them both though it's not a problem.

>>31035279
Destroying worlds in Crystal with semi route one Phanpy was just godlike.

Donphan is the best.

What is the lucario of this gen ? Lycanroc ?

>>31033827
A try hard edgelord using edgedog with the z steel type stone for maximum edge?

I mean if half his team didn't evolve by friendship he would be the edgiest edgelord of the franchise.

I guess crobat is the edge lord Pokémon despite being a friendship evolution.

>>31037941
Silver had a crobat too

>>31038006
Every edgelord in the franchise had a crobat. It's funny when you think about the friendship evolution guy being saved for Ninjas, poison type specialists, post game gimmick fights or edgelords/team leader fights before the league.

I mean it makes sense design wise to have crobat being part of a boss fight, but do they have to give it to edgy trainers as well?

>>31032204
It's a fox. Foxes steal shit.

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>>31035224
>people probably voted for greninja to get the Ash greninja event

Now that is some major asspull. Please look at the rest of the Top 10 minus legendaries. What do you see? You see popular Pokemon. Their position on the list isn't some major conspiracy or stupidity. People simply REALLY like Charizard, Eevee, Pikachu and Greninja.

>>31037941
Gladion isn't edgy you stupid nigger

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>>31038260
Not that anon, but he's pretty edgy. Only that he's edgy in a Silver the Edgehog way, not in a Shadow way.

>>31038260
Gladion is a guy who had a rough childhood and started listening to Linkin Park. So only an edgelord in the same way the average high schooler is, not in a Shadow the Edgehog way, except he might actually have a reason for it - I mean, his dad was missing, his mother was abusive, his sister was too shy to do anything and under his mother's thumb, and his only real parental figure was working under his mother's orders. As "sanity valves" go, being an edgelord is a pretty good one.

>>31028891
Nice selective memory there. People have always had a distaste for Lucario.

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>>31038183
> . People simply REALLY like Charizard, Eevee, Pikachu and Greninja.

>>31037703
>XY werw built around Lucario so hard that you could probably solo the game with it

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>>31038369
>Implying they don't

>>31028922
>>31028972
This

>>31029037

>Lucario pandering is here to stay
>Only place in the game where you can get Riolu is just before the battle tree
>Only time you can get lucarionite is after getting 64 battle tree points

SM is a big fuck you to lucario faggotry.

>>31031922
>the ninja is a master of the elements and can switch types on the fly
>the mage can steal items
Something tells me they switched their abilities

>>31038065
>Silver gets a Crobat to show that he learned how to treat his Pokemon as friends
Neat
>every major villain gets a Crobat if available
STOP IT

>>31038549
>Implying they like it for a reason other than endless shilling

>>31030925
How can we make GF remove the team preview shit?

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>>31038911
The thing is that Japanese Folklore Ninjas are pretty much Kung-Fu Wizards. They are also masters of the elements, but come with the added bonus of being adept at nearly every single discipline imaginable, including Archery, Swordsmanship, Hand-to-Hand combat and other perks such as lockpicking, pickpocketing, botany, et al. I believe Delphox's Ability in japanese literally translates to " Prestidigitation" which means Sleight of Hand, kind of like those magic tricks where the magician makes your card disappear in plain sight.

>>31039187
Unown teams that spell curse words.

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>>31039174
please refer to
>>31032815

Greninja has always been extremely popular.

>>31039228
>Unown
Talking about Unown, why the hell their get cucked so hard. I like them in their movie
Still, when will GF buff Unown or at least release σ Σ Π Ω Ȣ ю б я

>>31028972
>being this autistic over a "tutorial" fight.
This is like you complaining that a pidgey took your first encounter virginity, or a tree taking your first nature experience virginity. It's that fucking minor and pathetic.

It has its own tower etc, yes, but it explains why because it's one of the few and earliest documented mega evolutions. It was probably easier to mega with Lucario because it's an aura pokemon.

You know, I do like Lucario, but it could have been literally any other pokemon and you'd still bitch about something so ridiculous. I mean, besides that you'd also continue being insecure about your tastes and purposely try to avoid anything pro-lucario. Sort of the way people do the saaaame thing with legendaries and mythicals. It's so fucking obvious that people on this board have a problem with trying to fit in by using pokemon that aren't TOO shit, aren't TOO good, aren't TOO liked, aren't TOO disliked.

>>31029037
kill yourself, you don't even seem to understand what you're saying.

>>31030272

It was TPC as a dedicing factor. IIRC, Sakurai said TPC gave him a list of gen 6 mons to put into Smash and he chose Greninja as he assumed it would be popular.

>>31032631

I'm fairly certain the only reason Cynthia didn't appear in gen 6 was GF not wanting to chibifi their waifu.

>>31038849
>no riolu/lucario until late into the postgame
>no artificially forced "popular" Pokemon
>no excessive gen 1 pandering
>no pandering to only one starter while fucking over the other 2 in the process
>mega stones locked behind the BP-wall with no significance to the plot
I'm thankful that SM managed to purify the series from at least some of the cancer

>>31038260
He is a Chunni, the standard of edgy in Japan. A kid that probably read too much Jojo and tries too hard.

He is edgy in a cringe way. Thankfully Hau over genkiness makes him drop the act really fast.

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>>31039416

It's got nothing to do with being insecure about our tastes. Generally speaking, I don't want anything, Lucario or othwerwise, shoved in my face when I'm trying to enjoy the game. I don't want my adventure interrupted by this sort of crap and all it does is push me away from wanting to try it. It's obnoxious. If I feel like using Lucario, I'll do it when I'm in the mood, not when the game would like me to use it.

>>31038992
Well, Crobat and Alakazam are good mechanic introduction Pokémon, and their stats ingame can make them fearsome for boss battles.

Every Villain boss having a crobat makes sense level design wise, just like gyarados being prominent for 2 users as well as Weavile.

Gladion being a Chunni that somehow manages to have 3 friendship evolution and 2 item evolution Pokémon is quite interesting thematically.

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>>31039632
>SM
>no excessive gen 1 pandering
okay there buddy mcpalio my guy my dude bro

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>>31039632
>>No excessive gen 1 pandering
>Alola Forms

>>31030276
Mimikyu, they even made a cute little song about it. Or

/spoiler/PYOOK-MOOK/spoiler/

>>31039632
Don't forget that half the mega stones have been rendered unobtainable.

I disagree with the "no excessive gen 1 pandering" But it was honestly expected. It also feels more in place whatnot with it being the 20th anniversary than just "Here's a 1:1 copy of Viridian Forest and a Kanto starter for no reason!"

>>31030518

They tried to force Incineroar. Decidueye is the Fan's reaction to that.