>/vp/ keep saying how Protean outclass Ash-Greninja in every

>>31017297
Nigger what crack are you on right now? Because I really need some of that shit at the moment

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>>31017313

>>31017297
>Smogon

lel

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>>31017297
Best frog

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do I need to put you in your place again?

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>>31017297
>Zygarde with power construct is shit and is just another zen mode
>becomes the bulkiest mon yet
>Battle bond is a shitty zen mode worse than protean by a mile
>Battle bond Greninja has a higher ranking

Never trust /vp/

>>31017566
>>Zygarde with power construct is shit and is just another zen mode


holy shit, did anyone actually say this? How fucking retarded are people?

>>31017551
fuck off edgelord

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 348-411 (117.1 - 138.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>31017543
dumb frog poster

>>31017572
HELL, people were that much retarded to call him "shit" when the only thing he needed is fucking Thousand arrows to rekt OU in ORAS.
Zydoge is amazing too as choice band speedy almost-wall breaker, because honestly 448 attack with choice band while having 115 base speed jolly with a spammy shit like thousand arrows is stupid.

>>31017551
Kek, stay mad, Niggerzard X.

>>31017572
If power construct works like zen mode but it's not.
And thousand arrows is good enough for Zygarde to stay in OU and pokemon can resist both STAB is a Ribombee

>>31017652
Tapu Bulu also resists both.

>>31017572
I think part of it was just not understanding how the ability works (giving percentage of health back when form is triggered.)

But some people did see that it "only" got a doubled HP stat and retained its subpar attack/speed, and thought it'd still be kind of mediocre while not thinking blissey level bulk on both sides combined with working offense and boosting moves is actually OP.

Zygarde Complete and Ash-greninja is now permanent forms. How does the meta change?

>>31017663
Zygarde used Sludge Wave!

>>31017755
Ash-Greninja is now S-Tier and suspected.

Zygarde fucking ubers shit up.

>>31017755
Best christmas ever if that was the case, though, Complete form should be permanent by default after doing that shitty side quest

>>31017572
Thousand Arrows is so fucking good that it pretty much makes Zygarde and Zydoge viable regardless.

>>31017297
>Greninja isn't as good in a meta where Genesect is legal
Really makes you think

>>31017566
People where disappointed that their mecha Zygarde is only a in-battle form and really doesn't have any benefits from power construct except for the form change

If Power Construct acted like Aura Break (keep the Lore-fanatics happy) and made the form permanent, then there would be nothing to complain about, except for how broken it is etc like most legendaries

>>31017566
To be fair, the majority of vp AND smogon said this

>>31017297
>smogon

i see your problem there anon

>>31017951
More like Greninja isnt as good in a meta where Genesect, Toxapex and arguably Volcanion are a thing

protean is still better for most teams as it can fill more niches than ass grenigger

>>31018461
>Toxapex
>greninja used extrasensory

>>31017566
>Zygarde with power construct is shit and is just another zen mode
>raticate used super fang

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>>31018518
>Ash-greninja
>A+ rank
>Protean Greninja
>A rank

>>31018551
>Zygarde feels the effect of spikes or stealth rock
>raticate used super fang
>Zygarde turns into Zygarde complete
>zygarde used rest

>>31018566
>zygarde complete is asleep
>raticate used super fang

>>31018551
>>31018566
the fuck are you guys trying to say
who uses super fang?

>>31017297
>smogon
>(((viability)))

>>31018585
>Zygarde used Sleep Talk
>Zygarde used Thousand Arrows
>Raticate fainted

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>>31018616
>raticate hung on with its focus sash
>raticate ends it with this 5

>>31017524
Regardless of your opinion on the anime, that's a beautiful frame

>>31017297
Let's hope incineroars time is just as hype

>>31018818
Silly anon, it won't be Inciniroar or Decidueye, it'll be Tapu Koko__

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>>31017297
BURASUTO BAAAAAAAAAN!

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>>31018818
>implying SM will evolve his team fully

Literally only happened in XY

>>31017577
>hydro pump
>not water shuriken
>the Zard outspeeds and OHKOs with Doragon Kurow
Hilariously enough BURASTO on a mixed Zard also OHKOs jobfrog

>>31018539
>Toxapex lost 10% of its health!

>>31017577
>Choice specs

Absolute waste

>>31019079
It's literally the best and most used item for it atm.

>>31018616
>not sleep talk into rest
You're doing it wrong

>>31019079
Its the best set for A-G you retard.

>>31019067
Water Shuriken ohkoes Edgezard. Your point?

>>31019104
My point is you're investing into hydro miss instead of a sure thing. And that your frog dies in one hit

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>>31017297
>he cares about smogonfags

>>31019104
His point is that you should contemplate a team suicide with your naruto frog.

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>>31019074
>252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Toxapex: 182-216 (59.8 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

>>31019118
>Toxapex used Recover!

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>>31019118
>Ash Grenigga
>getting battle bond off against stall

>>31019087
>>31019096
No, it really isnt. It turns him into a shitty late game cleaner

>>31019116
>being this assblasted
Being a phoxfag is a suffering

people also said Lunala would be OU because of it's typing

>>31019125
>Toxapex used Recover!
>Ash-greninja used Extrasensory!
>Toxapex used Recover!
>Ash-greninja used Extrasensory!
>Toxapex used Recover!
>Ash-greninja used Extrasensory!

This would go and on until Greninja got a critical hit or when Toxapex finally dies since Extrasensory does well over 50% or it switches out and Greninja gets to kill something else.

>>31019130
>252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Toxapex: 179-213 (58.8 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Literally the same for protean. And you're retarded if you use regular Greninja against stall instead of something else.

>Pheremosa used Lunge!

>>31019162
>Greninja use Water Shuriken!

Are you retarded?

>>31019162
>Ash-Greninja used water shuriken!
>Pheromosa fainted!

>>31019159
You hit toxic with toxapex and switch to Celesteela and the frog loses

>>31019176
>if I do exactly this play with these pokemon it will die

No shit

>A-Greninja is poisoned!
>Any retarded could see what was coming and switches out A-Greninja for A-Marowak!
>Opponent sends out Celesteela!

>>31019193
>switch back to toxapex to eat the fire move
>recover while you try to switch jobber frog back in to extrasensory
>eventually in turn 85, you just get tired of playing and quit.

>>31019204
>opponent sends in Mega Charizard X!
>It's immune to Ash-greninja's attacks!
>Mega Charizard X used DRAGON KUROW
>Ash-greninja fainted!

>>31019140
>literally "u mad"
Apparently I'm also a delphox fag now? Good to know. Pathetic desu. Try harder.

>>31019222
Alain's Zard is the best stallmon

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>>31019162
>252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Water Shuriken (20 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pheromosa: 354-423 (125 - 149.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>31019227
S-STOP IT!

>>31019193
>Literally how stall works
>"I-It's situational to talk about how that would work"

>>31019252
>Anti-stall mons like A-Marowak doesn't exist

Everything is situational retard. If the stall is successful or not is situational. If there weren't a somewhat easy accessible situation to counter something they don't belong in the tier its currently in.

>>31019204
*teleports behind you*

>>31019278
>Everything is situational
Like getting a kill on a stallmon with a battle-bonded greninja. Literally the point of the original post.

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>>31017577
>Need set up, use low Accuracy move and Choice Specs just to take on a 0 HP/ 0 SpD Fire-type

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>>31020479
>fire/dragon
>weak to water

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>>31020542
>>weak to water
No one said that.

>>31020572
Then one bring up fire in the first place?

>>31020588
why*

>>31020588
>Why did you call a Fire-type a Fire-type
The Fire-type still puts it at an disadvantage against Water-type, which would otherwise be NVE against it.

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>>31020657
Literally irrelevant when it has two STABs. One of them resisting water. You tried to be witty but it only made you look retarded.

>>31019222
HAHAHAHAHA NICE MEME BRO XD

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RIZARUDO

BURASTO BAAN

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>>31020695
>I can't read
No one is talking about Zard's STAB's. Fire-type makes Zard vulnerable strong Water moves, such as Hydro Pump or the Water Shuriken. Which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't Fire-type. So yes, Fire-type is a disatvantage when going against Water-types.

I didn't think I'd ever need to explain why Fire is at an disadvantage against Water.

>>31020817
>Fire-type makes Zard vulnerable strong Water moves, such as Hydro Pump or the Water Shuriken.

But it isn't when its other type is dragon. Are you completely retarded? It's like any other type that is hit neutral with water. It's neither in an advantage or disadvantage. It's neutral. Were you dropped as a kid or something?

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>>31020859
>It's like any other type that is hit neutral with water.
Except Greninja doesn't get STAB from any other type, there isn't a Water Shuriken equivalent for any other type, and Greninja doesn't have access to 120 BP STAB moves of other types. It's only the Fire-typing that even gives Greninja a tiny little chance, which is it can never grab.

I mean, I knew frogfags were a bit retarded, but to think it was this bad.

>>31021004
>Except Greninja doesn't get STAB from any other type
Greninja is water/dark you retarded fuck. Is this bait?

What does fire type moves has anything to do with this? Zard-X os fire/dragon. Two STABs. It literally only need use a dragon move. Fire type moves to being effective is irrelevant when it can use a dragon move and still get STAB.

The fire typing doesn't give it an disadvantage. The only thing it does it turn it from being in an advantage to being neutral. But keep up the damage control chap.

>>31021061
ineffective*

>>31021061
Dont mind him, hes a Dpfag from serebii who despises greninja for no sane reason.

>>31021103
Noodle?

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>>31021061
>Greninja is water/dark you retarded fuck
Right, Dark type has a 120 BP move, or a Priority 75 BP move. Super useful.

>fire type moves has anything to do with this?
Absolutely nothing. I haven't even mentioned Fire moves even once. You're the one bringing it up.

It was funny at first, but now it's just annoying. You're not only completely missing the point, but also arguing about literally nothing. The worst part is this isn't even the most autistic thing I've read in this thread.

>>31021103
>despises greninja
>The best Water starter and one of the most useful Water-types in general with a unique form that can act as the second Mega of the team
Right

>>31021229
Water doesn't have a 120 BP move. And it has a 16% chance of being 75BP in base form and 60BP as Ashninja.

You have no point. You brought up the fact that Mega Charizard X is a fire type when it doesn't matter since it's part dragon type as well. Then you start to spout shit that it puts it in a disadvantage being fire type when the only thing it does is making Charizard X get hit neutral from water moves. The fire type doesn't put it in an disadvantage. It only put it from an advantaged mode to a neutral mode. No disadvantage what so ever. The only disadvantage that exist is that Mega Charizard X can't use one of it's stab on it since fire attacks are in a disadvantage against water types.

Lean the difference between advantage, neutral and disadvantage.

Also, stop posting a reaction pic with every post. Literally most newshit thing I have seen.

>>31021111
noodle is an ugly autist with pedo tendencies


But no im talking about the other one

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>>31021061
>>31021103
>>31021229
Guys its Christmas b nice 2 each other :)

>>31021415
Christmas was yesterday for me

>>31021335
>No disadvantage what so ever

This is a Fire/Dragon Charizard.

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 348-411 (117.1 - 138.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This is a Charizard that isn't Fire-type anymore.

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 174-205 (58.5 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is Greninja using its second STAB against a Charizard that isn't a Fire-type.

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 255-300 (85.8 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

If you can't tell a difference here, then you win. A Water-type will always have an advantage over a Fire-type, even if it isn't Super Effect. Learn the difference between SE, NVE and just an advantage. Those aren't the same thing.

>>31021473
It doesn't put it in a disadvantage. It only brings it down from being in an advantage to being neutral. How retarded are you for not getting this? Fire type being a hinder is one thing but it doesn't put it in a disadvantage. Advantage/neutral/disadvantage will always be determined by if the types makes it SE/neutral/NVE. Anything over that has nothing to do with advantages or disadvantages.

Your first post >>31020479 could literally be rewritten with any pokemon that takes a neutral hit from it with you proceeding to whine about it being a disadvantage since said pokemon wasn't a grass type or some shit that resist water.

>>31019134
Specs is the set that put him into A+ rank. If you think Life Orb Battle Bond is worth a shit you're fucking wrong.