>Flygon gets Dragon Dance >Garchomp is still the

>Flygon still doesn't have Tinted Lens

>>30959508
Flygon is a shit pokemon, what else is new.

>>30959508
Slower, weaker, and more frail. Literally budget Garchomp.

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>gets dragon dance
>zydoggo gets introduced

>>30959508
Garchomp is slighty faster, is bulkier, and has more Attack stat in a meta where All-Out Attacking sets are more popular.

>>30959508

that pic makes me like flygon even more

Flygon will be my bro forever

inb4 Mega Flygon with quiver dance, boomburst and groundilate, and garchompfags go cry in a corner

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>no mega
>no a-form

F

>>30960050
>Groudilate
>Suddenly a flying type appears!
Yeah no

Flygon literally doesn't have a single stat over Garchomp.

>>30960097
>Still outclasses most Dragons and manages to be OU

>>30960097
>DD makes it have more utility than most Dragons
10/10

>>30960097
It gets Multiscale though

>>30959508
I understand the joke behind that picture but

Flygon > Mega Ampharos

>>30960269
I'm pretty sure they were both RU last gen, right?
Flygon is better now probably but part of that is that you can't even get M-Ampharos anymore.

>>30960269
>m.ampharos still kicks flygons ass after an agility dragon pulse
Better stick to Choice Scarf kiddo :^)

>>30959508
At this point, Mega Flygon would need Battle Bond to end its suffering

>>30960321
M-Ampharos was UU last gen. Is mainly because its reduced Speed is negate by Agility and it has the bulk to use it, unlike 43 base speed.

>>30959508
Can't wait for the DiaPer remakes where Garchomp gets DD and Flygon is even more cucked.

>Flygon STILL doesn't get 900 BST, a mega, a form change, an alolan form, multiple signature moves, and its own Z crystal

WHY DOES GAME FREAK HATE FLYGON? IT'S NOT FAIR.

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>>30959508
OP pic needs more Zygarde.
>>30960441
Maybe someday NEVER EVER

>>30959508
Flygon and his mother lived alone in a small house

>>30960146
It's not OU anymore. But it could go back to being OU.

>>30960952
>taking OU stats seriously in the first month of a new gen
>taking OU stats seriously before Pokebank comes out
inb4 >taking OU stats seriously

>>30961015
Pokebank is practically out on Smogon.

I've battled against a few Dragonites in UU and it doesn't seem too overwhelming for the tier so it might stay UU if it doesn't get enough usage to become OU again.

>>30960952

>caring about a meta that is going to die in less than a month

kek see ya after the bank

>>30961043

>Smogon

hit the weights
gain some height
use an Aegislash

>>30961043
I'm using Pokebank as more of a benchmark for when the gen becomes "mature", and also in case any weird combos suddenly become legal.
>>30961068
>discussion is about OU
Fuck off.

>>30959508
>Garchomp is still the #1 most used Pokémon
He's not even in top 20 now
Thank you Tapus and UBs of healthy meta

>>30961150
He was probably talking about Battle Spot or something.

>>30961192
>Battle Spot
who cares

>>30959508
At least it still has the nicest shiny

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>>30959508
Yeah no fucking shit a Dragon Dance wouldn't help a Pokemon with no stat over 100. It's like trying to heal a sewered arm with a band-aid.

14 years later and no one at GameFreak seems to realize that Flygon's problem were always his base stats, not the lack of moves.

>>30960097
>multiscale
>extremespeed

It all good homie

>>30960952
Lets be fair here

OU is ubers light currently

Tyranitar is fucking borderline and he's been top tier in singles sense release

His best advantage through Extreme Speed is gone with Tapu Madness too

>>30960427
neither can verlisify

>>30961240
Game Freak

>>30961411
It won't have Extreme Speed again until Bank is available

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>>30961411
>Extremespeed

With the shitty state Pokemon is in now you'd probably be able to get him to OU if you buffed his speed to 130 or something stupid like that.

>>30961407
I mean there are Pokemon that are good with shitty base stats. There are exactly two (2) changes that you'd need to make to turn Flygon into a OU staple:
1. Ground/Dragon -> Ground/Fairy
2. Learns Play Rough
Boom, solid OU AND it would directly fuck with Garchomp

>>30961475
Alolan form Flygon when?

>>30961475
But then it would lose its Ubers niche

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>>30961474
>With the shitty state Pokemon is in now

Explain.

>>30961545
>swaps Attack and Special Attack
>learns Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, and Quiver Dance
Would've been fun as fuck to be honest.
>>30961570
Isn't its Ubers niche countering PDon?
Doesn't Zygarde do that better? I ran calcs a while ago, Flygon has to watch its ass for Dragon Claw while Zygarde tanks any hit at 50%, goes Complete, and can survive long enough to KO with Earth Plate Thousand Arrows.

>>30961576
Speed creep is kind of breaking everything right now and if the trend continues Pokemon probably won't be able to enter OU unless they are bulky enough to withstand attacks or have a high enough speed or priority moves to stay there.

>>30961472
It'll be better in UU, or aka gen 6 OU

>>30961622
That was always the case, wasn't it? Sure there's some considerations for utility and shit but in the end it all boils down to taking a hit versus never having to get hit at all.

>>30961475
Flygon would be OU if it got Quiver Dance and +10 on it's Special Attack. A dragon quiver dancer would be an unrivaled niche.

>>30961735
Still would lack the bulk to set up safely with that type combo and I'd still question its power. 85/90 BP STABs from +1 base 90 aren't real convincing these days in OU, especially when some madman could slap a Scarf on Lati@s and hit way harder and faster right off the bat than even a boosted Flygon with Draco Meteor.

>>30961690
Yeah in essence but what you really want is some kind of balance, like right now you have all these extremely fast and extremely powerful Pokemon running around that are all flimsy as fuck.
It seems kind of balanced in that way, like you can have your Pheromosa but even though its fast and hits like a tank it can't take a hit.

The problem is though getting a hit in, there's not much that can outrun it so you have to depend on priority but there's not a lot of priority moves available that can kill it before it kills you.
It's not like there aren't ways to deal with Pheromosa though, the problem is that its not just Pheromosa, a lot of Pokemon are ridiculously fast now to a point where I think in the future trick room teams will overturn all the fast pokes in the future.

Mega Flygon
150 Spatk
130 Speed

-ate STAB Boomburst