Grinding to lvl 100 is awful in these games. Blissey Secret Base

At least SM are good games unlike ORAS

>>30924268
Yes, it's fucking awful. 100%.

Apparently there's some bullshit once you managed to grind through the bullshit that is festival plaza that can help you get to level 98 automatically after grinding to like 55, but that's so fucking awful compared to blissey bases that were fucking 15 minutes of effort.

>>30924339
SM are literally worse than ORAS

>>30924339
Good how? The low effort story? The removal of triples to add our bullshit trainer? Super baby mode where your moves tell you if they're super effective?

>pokebank mon to ORAS
>grind at blissey banks
>move back to SM
not that fucking hard kiddos

Just leave your Pokemon on the Pelago over night and use beans

>>30924268
Bitch please exp boost from lucky egg and from refresh stack up, i reached level 100 with my story team in 4 days

>>30924378
There's a whole new gen, guy

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>>30924387
>300 exp every 30 minutes

>>30924416
Is it that low? Holy fucking shit...

>>30924396
>4 days

You do know blissey bases make up to 6 pokemon level 100 within half an hour right?

Max IV's don't matter... Unless you're fighting the same exact Pokemon.

>>30924387
>Overnight
It takes up to a month to level some mons even with beans.
Without beans or exp boosts (do they even affect pelago?) the slowest to grow would take a little over 100 days.

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>>30924378

>>30924416
what the fuck

>all these plebs with the rare kitchen

>>30924520
Those only work up to a certain level. Also
>grinding for fc
Have fun bricking your fucking A button and playing the same type matchup quiz for the millionth time.

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>>30924268
>no trainer rematches
is this fucking gen 1? even ORAS had those two ace trainers on route 112 with six pokemon each giving you assloads of exp

>>30924554
It's sooooo bad. Why did they think that would be remotely enjoyable? How is it game design to put things behind barriers and barriers of incredibly stupid quizzes?

>>30924554
that's the fastest way, 10x faster than just grinding

>>30924377
>low effort story
better than all the other games

>triples
was a bad style anyways

>effectiveness
reminder that pokemon is for kids

>>30924682
reminder that Pokemon has always fucking been for kids yet it didn't feel the need to baby them before

>>30924726
kids are dumber now than they ever have been.

>>30924737
And that's why I fucking hate this planet.

>>30924804
dont forget, for some kids, SM are their first pokemon games.

>>30924587

The game mostly feels rushed as fuck, to be honest. Blatantly hyped to oblivion, only for that hype to almost go away due to the whole datamining/barely any content stuff. At least there's the main plot, but you can only play that shit for so long until you're done with it. This was, by far, the quickest I ever finished a Pokemon game and my god, I did try to make it last. Even the credits roll felt rushed, the music just looped and looped while static drawings would pass by and I got to a point where all I wanted was for that shit to end. At least the drawings were nice, but dang.

I miss when you could actually rematch trainers, but I guess since online exists, Game Freak probably feels like it's not that necessary any longer. There isn't really anything forcing you to level your pokemon to lv. 100 besides the whole bottle cap thing.

>>30924737
i doubt that

>>30924268
There's a reason why things like Battle Spot are played at level 50 instead of 100, so you don't have to grind.

>>30924918
It's to be able to use bottle caps anon

>>30924916
your doubts are misplaced.
Kids are fucking retarded. Look at god damn millennials. They are a prime example of the idiocy of modern children.

>>30924993
the chance are, you ARE a millennial anon

>>30925039
You know what kind of people I'm talking about anon. Technically speaking I am, and you probably are too. but there is a variant of millennial which is too dumb for words.

>>30924822
So the fuck what? When I was their age, Red, Blue and Yellow, the games with such travesties such as Rock Tunnel, the Gen I type chart and godawful move pools were my first games.

>>30924993
They're retarded because a failing educational system, and ready access to information on the internet thanks to Google has crippled their ability to think critically. Kids these days have shit for problem solving skills. Take away their internet connection, and they are like fish out of water, staring blankly into space, flailing and trying to suck water that isn't there.

>>30925124
see >>30924737

You mean winning in any Super Rank in Battle Royale. Shit is fucked up, idk how to win in that rank.

>>30924268
You can literally level up your 18 of your mons in the pelago overnight, you retared frogposter.

>>30925139
Which is why I said >>30924804. Game Freak's never going to stop appealing more and more to the ADHD-afflicted babies who cry over everything, and not implement anything for the kids OR adults who want a legitimately difficult but fun challenge or lots of interesting things to do apart from the main story.

>>30924268
>crying that an exploit got gutted
Eh.

>>30925164
Fuck man, even Normal Rank is relentless. In my first try checking it out, the RNG hurled fully-evolved Pokemon not available in Alola along with megas, not to mention how everyone wants to gang up on you. It's nothing like the basic levels of the Battle Subway, which was also available prior to beating the game.

>>30925181
>300 exp every 30 minutes

What's the best place to train before fighting the Elite Four?

>>30925219
Which would be great if they didn't take NPC rematches, high-level battles in the Chateau, multiple Lucky Eggs and O-Powers with it.

>>30925202
at least we have breeding and shiny hunting. Things obviously designed with people like us in mind.... r-right?

>>30925062
>im one of the good ones guys i swear

Instead of selling out your generation for no reason, why don't you go read up on IQ stats and learn that every generation is smarter than the one that precedes it, including ours.

>>30924918
>game finally gives you motivation to take your pokemon to lvl 100 because of bottle caps
>it's a Dragon Quest level of grind

fuck that shit

>>30925267
oh fuck off you know exactly what I meant.

>>30925255
In my experience, Exeggcutor Island.

>turn exp share on
>get angrey bird
>starts SOS chain
>get really high and/or drunk
>one shot exeggcute for 2-3 hours

I was just chaining for a shiny but my level 40ish tag-a-long mons got to about level 60. I didn't find it was any faster to chain sandshrew/vulpix and their shitty weather made it harder to chain for a long time.

>>30925262
lol no

>no macho brace
>need bp to get the iv-inheriting items, destiny knot is pain to obtain outside of battle facilities, need those items to breed good mons for those facilities to get bp
>the sos battle mechanic is probably a good reason to kys or tell a gf dev to do so

>>30925299
I'm not convinced you know what you mean.

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>>30924378
Holy shit.

>>30925292
one step forward, two steps back

the Game Freak gift that keeps on giving...and then taking away

>>30925312
Does it also work without Exp. Share?

>>30925219
Even Le Wow is better than doing generic E4 runs.

>>30925404
>Le
kys

>>30925420
>kys
Kill yourself faggot.

>>30925420
Holy shit, that's what it's actually called (you) dense braindead fuckstick.

>>30925219
>blissey bases
>exploits
It's a legit feature that you could make yourself. Bases themselves are a legit feature that you're supposed to explore, battle, and collect to keep as friends so, if you can find friends that have blissey bases, you should use them

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>no trainer rematches
>no blissey secret bases
>no o-powers
>and yet bottle caps are only usable if your grind to lv 100
>BUT HEY IT'S BETTER THAN ORAS GUISE
once the hype wears off, the problems are going to hit you guys like a ton of bricks

>>30924341
What festival plaza thing?

>>30924357
No way anyone can be this contrarian.

>>30925509
Tell me, anon. How fast did you lose hope for SM?
For me, the romdump leaks just prior to the release had a lot of hype-dampening revelations.

>>30924378
nice one, I laughed

>>30925507
>legit feature that you're supposed to explore, battle, and collect
Yes, you are supposed to do all that. Using it strictly for Blisseys is not doing all that.

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>>30925654
Started losing it after I found out there was no DexNav. Once I started playing the game I noticed how linear it was. The catch rates of certain pokemon frustrated me and I had an aneurysm trying to fish for pokemon that weren't magikarp. Then I discovered you couldn't rematch trainers and the only way to grind was through the elite four or battling wild pokemon on Poni island because the battle buffet trainer levels are the same as the pokemon on Poni island. The Poke Pelago was a neat idea, I enjoyed the fact I could get a shitload of berries and rare items but raising pokemon and hatching eggs with it was tedious as hell and it's faster to just do it the old fashioned way. Also S.O.S. Battling is much more tedious than horde encounters.

It's presentation was great, I like the emphasis on storytelling and it looks much better than XY/ORAS but with all of those gameplay problems the hype died down pretty quick. They need a third game (or a sequel) to fix all of this. This is Diamond and Pearl all over again.

>>30925887
I have to agree about most of those things. I'm really grateful that the characters and story are Unova-tier instead of XY-tier.

>>30925887
>The catch rates of certain pokemon frustrated me
This. The amount of 1% wonders this game has is fucking retarded.

>>30925576
People here like BW/2.

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>>30925887
oh, and the zygarde quest, there's a special place in hell for whoever thought that was a great idea. Going to every area and finding out you missed one cell is the most frustrating experience I've ever had in a pokemon game

>>30925576
>disliking something makes you contrarian
Kill yourself

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>>30925851
>you're not supposed to battle blisseys if you want

fuck off faggot. gf knew what they were doing when they designed the secret bases in ORAS. it's not a exploit.

>>30925887
A big killjoy was that you needed to blindly hatch 20 eggs before unlocking the IV judge and you needed to buy the Destiny Knot for bp. There's just this slow slow slow grind to burn through before you get to breeding and it's excruciatingly painful to go through.

The distribution of wild pokemon killed a lot of my excitement. I bounced from new area to new area wondering what new pokemon I'd encounter only to find the same gumshoos/ wingull/ ratata/ pikipek with 80%~ish encounter rates in almost every area. I beat the game 2 weeks ago and I have still yet to find a Rockruff in the wild.

>>30926086
I just got around to playing it, and I don't know why you wouldn't like BW2. That game was remarkably fun.

>>30924416
>>30924430
>>30924512
Yep, it's that low.

Game Freak is literally retarded, they wanted to make it so you can't break the game early on with the EXP training island and steamroll the story.
Except that anyone over the age of 10 can immediately tell you how to prevent that, by either scaling the exp or making the EXP course post-game only.

>>30925576
There's contrarianism and then there's being in straight up denial.

SM even has less content than ORAS by leauges.

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>>30926137
the IV judge egg thing wasn't a problem for me because I breed pokemon like a motherfucker but I still get what you're saying. A lot of grinding in this game, maybe Game Freak did it intentionally to pad out the games. What am I saying? of course they did that.

Sorry I'm acting like a cynical asshole but come on guys, the games have flaws like every other pokemon game. No generation is perfect.

>>30926102
>get Cyber Sleuth shortly before SM
>100% it and get all of the medals
>think I'm done with retarded fetch quests
>Zygarde

>>30926130
Sure, that's why they included something similar in SunMoon. Oh wait.

>>30926395
Secret bases allow you to make a team of three. Making Blissey bases is well within those rules so it's not exploiting a glitch, mistake or anything else.

An exploit would be something like if turning the clock back to midnight of the previous day gave you extremely fast O-power recharges. It's not an intended part of the game where as bases are.

The reason it's not in SM is because SM is shit.

>>30926395
A similar feature was not included because Gamefreak is fucking retarded.

>>30924268
>grinding in a fucking Pokemon game
just inject it

>>30926395
>actually defending gf's stupid choices

shill spotted

>>30925237
Is that with or without Pokebeans?

>>30926395
Secret Bases were originally implemented in Gen IV, so it's possible that it was intentionally left out so that they could improve the formula for Gen IV remakes.

Of course, for those that are getting ready to reply with ">Implying Gen IV remakes are happening", there's also the argument that the game was rushed as hell and didn't have time to implement anything particularly useful they may have planned. Happens fairly often in game development.

>>30926659
Secret bases were a gen 3 feature anon.

>>30924268
Just inject

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>>30926659
>Secret Bases were originally implemented in Gen IV
underage pls go

>>30926646
ok, 300 exp every 15 minutes. Killing a wild pokemon in Poni Gauntlet takes like a minute and you'd be getting the same amount of exp you'd be getting after spending 105 minutes in the pelago

>>30926659
>so that they could improve the formula for Gen IV remakes.
If they bring them back in gen 4 remakes then the formula will be inherently worse than the ones in RSE/ORAS.

>>30926683
>>30926729
Looking into it, you're right. My bad. I skipped Gen 3 on release because chronic poorfag, and I haven't gotten far enough in Ruby because I dropped the game for being piss boring.

>>30927004
Play Emerald, not Ruby.

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>>30926582
>literally you

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>>30927047
>wasting your life mashing the A button and grinding in a Pokemon game is a "buzz" for you

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>>30927062
>the only way I can enjoy a game is by cheating
that's proof that Game Freak is full of hacks and the game is horrible

>>30927062
>look at me with my life full of time
>spends it by posting on a Mongolian cave painting board

>>30927132
You're fucking right

>>30925136
>Failing education system
Isn't just happening in schools, anon. University now also has this particular problem, along with the fact that students like to think with their feelings rather than logic. Good thing a lot of Australian lecturers and tutors have more common sense than that

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>>30927492
I know

when did the fun end?

>>30925136
They're trying to re-inject critical thinking into public schools, but we've still got a generation and a half that are pants-on-head retarded as a mandate of the State.

How do you reach Level 100 in S/M?

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>>30927566
Honestly Pokemon was never really that great of a game series. It was novel when it first came out, and it brought some new things to the table in regards to turn-based RPGs, and most importantly it was really popular. But ever since the games first debuted, Game Freak hasn't really made any major changes to the formula because they'd rather play it safe. The biggest changes have been the physical/special split, held items, and Mega Evolutions - that's about it. Three changes in 20 years. No wonder it's not interesting or fun anymore, it's become boring.

>>30927540
The down side of course being that you live in a shithole where even the mammals are poison-type.

>>30927588
E4 grinding

>>30927566
Pokemon's never been a particularly strong game when it came to competitive.

Your ability to have fun with this game is inversely proportional to how much you know and care about the internal mechanics of this game. Friends also help.

>>30924268
That was literally the ONLY place to train in post game. That and going through the pokemon league over and over again. Game Freak didn't provide an optimal way to train so we had to create one for ourselves. If anything, ORAS has worse grinding than SM.

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>>30927623
and there's no point in playing competitive without injecting because you're at a huge disadvantage without it
and yet I can't stop playing the games because I've made it this far, why stop now?

>>30927623
Why do you even play pokemon if you don't enjoy it anymore?

Is it autism?

>>30927699
>there's no point in playing competitive without injecting because you're at a huge disadvantage without it
How so besides Hidden Power and transfer moves?

>>30927588
grind to level 55 and use a rare kitchen******

cuckold method: don't get the rare kitchen****** and grind the E4 like a chump

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I wiped THREE times to bug lady challenge. I chose Popplio and only had a pelican birb to fight the Synthesis-spamming Bug thing. How bad am I?
I barely beat it once I got that lizard fire poke to level 24. I supposed I could've Taunted her into using only attacks but that would've been 2nextlvl5me

>>30927706
I just play Showdown once in a while, and pirate the cart games to see if they get any better. They never have, though.

>>30927763
>showdown

so yeah, autism

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>>30927754
can't be any worse than me. I picked Litten and kept losing to totem wishiwashi. My only grass type was the Bounsweet you get before the trial and even then I struggled.

>>30925564
rare kitchen or some shit like that

>>30927735
I have 2 of them, is that good?

>>30927540
Am Ausfag, can confirm. Plus, all of my uni teachers are the GOAT.
On the subject on feelings versus logic, it would help if maybe GF tried to instill a sense of logic on this shitwit toddlers instead of just pandering to their continuing lean towards the feelings side. The lack of logic they show in regards to adding and removing features really perplexes me. But don't tell /r/pokemon, they'll shit all over you because they can't handle it when people go against the circlejerk.

>>30926225
Or making some type of upgrade after you beat the Elite Four or some shit.

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>>30924587
>is this fucking gen 1?

Kek. Nigga you didn't notice all the gen 1 pandering?! This is just another form of pandering to gen 1. Enjoy kiddos.

>>30925501
Holy shit, what subredshit are you visiting from?

>>30925235
>catch 3 UBs with correct nature
>ev train at pelago
>teach good tm moves

Took me under an hour to win master rank, jesus how do you people have so much trouble with one win per rank

>>30924357
You cant have taste that is this bad. Its impossible.

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If you hate Pokemon so much, why being in this thread?

Seriously, the only thing I read is constant hate for each and every game.

Just go back to Crystal or something.

>>30928365
its like cocaine dude
its bad for you but you can't stop

>>30928365
I noticed I phrased that really weird.
What I wanted to say was why does a board for Pokemon exist if it's filled with haters.
It's like you don't even like pokemon in first place or having fun

>>30928365
>There are multiple Pokemon games
>But apparently possibly hating one game means you hate the entire series.

>Being this dense.
>Being this much of a Game Freak apologist, acting as if Game Freak hasn't made a shit ton of mistakes in Pokemon's entire lifespan.

Kill yourself immediately.

>>30928257
I haven't beaten the E4 yet, I'm too busy getting distracted by other things in the game like whoring out all of my cash for clothes I'm never going to use.

>>30928365
^^^This
I just casually like it, even competitive. Not like anyone in these threads have any real points anyway.

>>30928405
beat e4 then do UB shit
once you're finished with all that you get 1 million buckaroos from the police

>>30928393
>itp: If you criticise anything about a game you obviously hate it.

How does Game Freak's dick taste in your mouth?

>>30928405
pro-tip: wait to beat the UB quest to waste all of your money for hooker clothes, you get wan mirrion pokedollar

>>30927735
How do I get these?

>>30928434
But that's the cash I need to buy shit that actually matters.

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>>30928365
>Not liking something in a game means you hate the game
You know, if you were an actual fan, you'd be able to recognize the flaws each game has. You're just a mindless troglodyte if you just blindly praise something out of delusional obligation.

>>30928257
3 UBs with the correct nature?
No, anon, it did not take you "under an hour", unless you were stupid lucky early in your UB spree. You just moved the time and effort elsewhere.

Please don't delude yourself with some sort of superiority.

>>30928398
It's not just one game dude, /vp/ hates everything.

>XY is too easy (I don't argue this one)
>XY characters are shit
>Kalos is shit

>ORAS is rushed
>ORAS is still easy
>ORAS has no postgame
>dexnav is shit
>features copypasted from XY
>no Frontier (I also hated this desu)

>SM is too linear
>walk from cutscene A to cutscene B
> :)
>still piss easy
>they tell you which moves are effective against what, they casualized it for babies (do you even realize the main target audience?, besides, admit you also tend to forget some type effectiveness, this is real useful)
>no postgame
>no rematches
>why is it so hard to reach lvl 100 (like you really need to this, there's a reason special battles cap at lvl 50)

Seriously, it's just constant hate for each game, even RGB.
I don't know why this board exists.

>>30928446
talk to people in your festival plaza and have good luck
level up your festival plaza and have good luck
dont have bad luck

>>30928464
It's almost as if /vp/ contains more than 1 person who all have different opinions, and come together on this Pokemon discussion board to share their opinions

>>30928464
that's just a special feature of being on 4chan
people like to bitch about everything
you learn to not get frustrated by it

>>30928464
>why is it so hard to reach lvl 100 (like you really need to this, there's a reason special battles cap at lvl 50)
Hyper Training, though.

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>>30928464
Did it ever occur to you that /vp/ is more than one person?!

>>30928514
Think about it: do you really REALLY need Hyper Training?
With proper breading, you could have max IVs in the stats you need them and still that'd be faster than reaching lvl 100.

>>30928531
For unbreedable Pokemon, yes.

>>30928529
Yeah, and all these people shit on each game.

I've never seen one really genuine "I actually like this game" without bitching.

>>30928464
>ORAS is rushed
I still LOL when I read this meme.

ORAS was developed for as long as FRLG or HGSS were, and yet those aren´t called rushed but ORAS somehow is (despite of having a much bigger dev team).

>>30928531
For legendaries, yes.

>>30928531
>breading
Also, you realize legendary Pokemon (aka the ones most relevant to battling) can't breed, right?
Also for any shinies you may have picked up through chance or MMing aren't very likely to have perfect IVs

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>Got a shiny Honedge
>Great nature
>5 perfect IVs
>Attack is 12
I'm not looking forward to this grind.

>>30928546
You haven't been looking very far. Unless you're discounting "I love [game] but it has [flaw]" as not genuine in which case, don't do that.

>>30928362
sun and moon is garbage. festival plaza is garbage. fuck off

>>30928540
>>30928557
>>30928571
smogonfags btfo

>>30928464
>(like you really need to this, there's a reason special battles cap at lvl 50)

bottle caps are a thing now you disgusting apologist

>>30928546
What does this even mean? You've never seen anyone say they like a game? Of course people say that. And obviously, not everyone is going to agree. Is it really that hard to understand?

>>30928531
Story teams can actually get some use then. That's my motivation at least. Thankfully all my other nuzlocke teams are at 100 already, so they'll be ready to go once the bank updates.

Btw does anyone know when the Bank is to get updated?

>>30928656
>Trying to reason with Game Freak apologists.

Do not do it.

>>30928552
>Games with 3D models, very little resource-sharing with the previous game in the gen, and absolutely no resource-sharing with the game they were remaking
>A bunch of new features on top of remaking all of the old content.
>Having to do this for both versions because some chucklefuck ONCE AGAIN decided we had to sell 2 games instead of remaking the strictly superior 3rd Version.
A year wasn't enough time and anyone that disagrees has never ever involved themselves in game development and is talking out their ass.

That's literally all there is to say on the matter.

>>30924377
>showing you effectiveness of a move after discovering a new pokemon
>bad

Why are posters here so autistic?

>>30928656
That's not what I meant.
/vp/ always says each game is worse than the last one so... why are you still buying?
It's like you like whining.

>>30928689
>I know how much time and staff ORAS needed better than GF: the post
Yeah... no.

>>30928689
>very little resource-sharing with the previous game in the gen
I don't disagree with you, but just as an aside: Didn't they reuse all of the models for the pokemon themselves? Weren't those models responsible for most of the game data? Wouldn't that mean they shared quite a bit a bit of resources??

>>30928728
I think they made a few updates to the models if necessary, but yeah, pretty much just reused assets.

>>30928704
Personally, I got a bit of a kick out of trying to figure out a new pokemon's typing by catching one or trial and erroring until it works. Showing what moves are super-effective doesn't remove that but it does decrease opportunities for it.

I love the fact that the game shows you stat changes now though, tracking them was 2autistic4me

>>30928689
Not to mention: Amie, Super Training, Battle Maison, Battle Institute, Pokemon 3D Models, Dex Entries, PSS, were ALL reused from XY. And the text was mostly reused from RSE.

Why are you guys so contrarian and in urge to prove ORAS was rushed, even though the game isnñt any more rushed than previous remakes?

>>30926102
It wouldn't be too bad if half of them weren't locked to day/night cycles. Finding that last fucking cell... Jesus christ.

>>30928783
>even though the game isnñt any more rushed than previous remakes?

It's the only remake to remove content that was in the originals. So it was rushed.

And there's not even any proof that HGSS had the same amount of dev time.

>>30926086
Those games were good and had a ton of content though

>>30928795
Better yet, there should have been a side-quest tracker. Hell, a fucking counter would have sufficed. Is it too much to ask for a stupid counter that can tell me I have 80/100 cells or something?

>>30928772
it doesn't even matter because they don't tell you with your first encounter
although it's pretty fucked with silvally since it shows what type the memory it's holding is

>>30928816
>It's the only remake to remove content that was in the originals. So it was rushed.
ORAS also added more new content than the other remakes, though.
Not to mention, HGSS removed decorating your room, sleeping wild Pokemon, rematching SS Aqua indefinitely, etc.

And, honestly, most of the content ORAS "removed" was literally done to make the games easier for tiday´s more casualized audience.

And HGSS came out 1 year after Platinum, so it was probably developed for 1 year, yeah.

>>30928783
>Not to mention: Amie, Super Training, Battle Maison, Battle Institute, Pokemon 3D Models, Dex Entries, PSS, were ALL reused from XY.

shit if anything that proves that x/y were rushed. there was no reason for gamefreak to not include battle frontier in ORAS

>>30928897
That doesn't justify the lack of a Battle Frontier tho.

>but but it's a remake of Ruby and Sapphire, not Emerald

Fuck you.
There's no reason not to have the content of the definitive game it's based on.

ORAS gives you zero incentive to keep playing and the Battle Maison is total shit.

I don't know what's this "more new content" you're talking about, to my eyes, ORAS actually took content away from its original game.

>>30928897
>ORAS also added more new content than the other remakes, though.
No it didn't. It had some new forme changes and that was it. It doesn't make up for all the removed content. Pokeathlons, Safari Zone, walking Pokemon, and all the extra things added to Kanto was far superior to actually making the games better.

>And, honestly, most of the content ORAS "removed" was literally done to make the games easier for tiday´s more casualized audience.
i.e. it was rushed and GF needed an excuse to work on less things.

>And HGSS came out 1 year after Platinum, so it was probably developed for 1 year, yeah.
This isn't how it works. They have multiple teams working on games simultaneously. They don't develop games one after the other.

>>30928919
>shit if anything that proves that x/y were rushed.
Care to elaborate?
>there was no reason for gamefreak to not include battle frontier in ORAS
The reason is they thought most people wouldn´t use it, and were probably right.

>>30928952
Except no?
Most people actually loved the Frontier and wanted it back in glorious 3D.

>>30928405
Make sure to send your pokeslaves into the Treasure Mines as often as possible. My mons make huge amounts of money no matter what trash they bring up.

Sadly gold bottle caps are rare as fuck. I've only gotten one so far which I traded for a Celesteela.

>>30928944
>No it didn't. It had some new forme changes and that was it. It doesn't make up for all the removed content. Pokeathlons, Safari Zone, walking Pokemon, and all the extra things added to Kanto was far superior to actually making the games better.
>DexNav
>Soaring
>Mauville City overhauled
>Sea Mauville
>38 new Mrage Islands
>Delta Episode
>BuzzNav
>AreaNav
>20 new Megas (HGSS had zero new Pokemon)
>i.e. it was rushed and GF needed an excuse to work on less things

>>30928952
there was only a year and two months between x/y and b/w2. the least amount of time between generations since gen 2.

>>30929068
Also, G/S had the advantage of reusing the map of Kanto in its entirety.

It wouldn't have been so bad if the E4 were actually at a high level.

Even with the Lucky Egg+Refresh bonus, it still takes a long, tedious monotonous time to do, even longer than in Gen 5 because at least in Gen 5, the E4 and other trainers were at the high seventies or even low eighties, and then you also had Audinos to grind on.

The E4 and Morimoto at Gen 7 is in the low 60's whille the cruddy Buffett is at the mid 50s. They should have made it so that every time you beat the E4, the E4 and Challenger's levels increase by 5, up to a max level of 85 (E4) and 87 (Kukui) and the other challengers being at level 84-86

>>30924682
Ok, technically a 4/10 story is better than a 3/10 story. Who gives a fuck, it's still 100% garbage.

I liked triples, and I liked having quick games that used all 6 slots. Also even if you think it was a bad style, that doesn't really justify removing it for bullshit unimportant background.

Then why isn't the reminder always there? Or even pointed out in the first place what super effective or not very effective means? If we're really appealing to the lowest denominator here, why isn't it even introduced properly? No, it's just more JRPG hand holding bullshit going rampant. The more unnecessary hand holding there is in a game, the worse the design. Also, the gaming industry solved this issue a long time ago with difficulty settings, so "because kids exist" isn't really an excuse at all.

>>30925164

I beat master rank with a Mega Mence lead, Mimikyu, and Scarf Lele. Give it a try although master required a lot of retries. Super and Hyper were easy enough though.

>>30926395

You do know that Gamefreak loves to take away beneficial features, right? So that all the gens can feel "unique" from each other.

That's why Festival Plaza pales in comparison to Join Avenue. Thats why Toggle Run isn't in any other game besides HGSS. Thats why Gen 7's bottom screen sucks ass and that the PSS is completely gone.

>>30928681
Sometime in January. Nothing else has really been said about when, as usual.

>>30928999
Isle Aphun is pure bliss, especially the Interesting Path.

>>30925654
Not that anon, but it was when I realized they made a bunch of new stuff that were backwards designs. Breeding takes way more attention, faster, sure, but now I enjoy background distractions way less, and that heavily amplifies how boring the process is.

The online interface is way more garbage than before. Like I don't understand why they thought it was better, at all.

The bottom screen is just useless. The map is incredibly vauge. Rotom, as is almost every incarnation of Navi, is fucking annoying and distracting.

The sos mechanic as a replacement for the ORAS chaining system is horrible. I like the idea, but it's so obtrusive. I have no idea why the designers thought it'd be fun. The sos mechanic should've either been turned on after beating elite four, or turned on when you used an adrenaline ball.


I'll concede there's many improvements on the formula. But desu, that's the status quo, and what I measure a pokemon game's "betterness" is how much they don't backtrack on. I look at things through a designer's perspective and I just can't relate to how they made many of these designs. A lot of them are strictly worse.

>>30926102
I liked it, but it really needed a finder of some sort.

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>>30926395
>being this autistic

>>30929202
This. This fact might very well be what bothers me the most about this series.

Logically, a sequel to a game, especially an RPG or one of fighting-based structure like Pokemon, should have features added and added, not features added and removed (read: useful features removed instead of gimmicky ones that don't do much, it'd be better if they didn't remove those gimmicks but honestly if it's a choice between them and features I'd kill the gimmicks any day of the week), but Game Freak remove features present in older games to keep them unique despite the fact that doing so tarnishes the value of the newer ones since they WON'T have them.

Are there any other major developers you guys can think of that follow a similar train of thought?

>>30928365

Because at this point, Gamefreak should have the franchise down to a T. They've been making Pokemon games for two decades now, and is literally the reason why they still even exist today, but they always take one step forward and two steps back for some asinine reason.

It's not like they're doing the Final Fantasy approach where they make the next mainline game a different from of an RPG. Pokemon isn't going from turn based, to SRPG or ARPG, it's staying turn based for its entire life.

We're critical of the games because we love Pokemon, and simply just want to see to potential of the series at its max, but I guess as long as Gamefreak is at the helm, it never will reach the potential we know it could, especially when all the first mainline games always sell 10+ million copies.

>>30927699
It seems approachable to me

>>30927735
Doesn't this involve getting like 9000 FC?

>>30928362
Time will reveal all, SM is pretty bad

>>30928704
Do you enjoy being told how to catch pokemon at the start of every pokemon game too?

Leave it as a feature, fine, but let me turn it off.

>>30928931
>ORAS gives you zero incentive to keep playing

ORAS has many legendaries that would keep a normie playing.

>>30928931
Hoopa legends
Secret base levelling
Dex completion with the best pokeradar tool to get HAs and IVs
Contests
ORAS has so many post Delta Episode or side-content options, it loses replayability because of all that you have to do to get back if you restart

>>30929745
>Hoopa legends
What.

>>30928931
>>30929592
>ORAS gives you zero incentive to keep playing

let me fucking count the reasons I want to keep playing ORAS

>more enjoyable than SM
>raising exp isn't a complete travesty
>contests
>hordes for easy evs, or shinies
>trainer rematches
>dexnav for easy ivs, hidden abilities and shinies
>things to do in mauville like the food court
>contests and secret bases
>the pss and o-powers
>pokemon-amie minigames
>mirage spots
>super training
>fucktons of berries to grow
>a battle facility that doesn't try to completely destroy you from go, even if it is complete fucking bullshit most of the time
>important people can be found in places, not really useful but it's fun
>items like evolutionary items other are much easier to get
>fucking heaps of pokemon

sm got so boring so quickly, i didn't know it was possible for hype to be killed with such speed

>no generic trainer rematches
>all of the trainers and wild pokemon you can fight have shitty levels, coupled with the exp scaling system, no o-powers and one lucky egg
>sos battles are tedious, unfun bullshit
>festival plaza is a chore and is shit
>battle tree and battle royal are conpletely fucking relentless
>even less pokemon by percentage than BW
>poke pelago's pretty cool though

>>30929811
Mirage spots with older legendaries on them. They are stored in rings made by Hoopa. Reshiram/Zekrom, Jhoto beasts, Unovan swords of justice, genies, etc

>>30929464
Nah you really only need one 5 star kitchen and three 1 star kitchens. 700 FC in all

>level 58
>eat 4 rare dinners to jump to 86
>Eat rare brunch to hit 95
>grind or rare candy the rest.

Works well for me since I have the coins to spare.

>>30929876
>>more enjoyable than SM
Opinion. This isn't an incentive for everyone. Plenty of people, on this board especially, wanted to be done with ORAS the second they became the champ and finished the Delta Episode.
>>raising exp isn't a complete travesty
Only because of Secret Bases. Without that the game would've been just as shit in this department.
>>contests
k
>>hordes for easy evs, or shinies
I'll give you this one, but SM's already chugging with just 2v2s, so I doubt it was cut for any reason beyond hardware limitations.
>>trainer rematches
I'll give you this one, too.
>>dexnav for easy ivs, hidden abilities and shinies
Definitely good, but takes a while.
>>things to do in mauville like the food court
>Implying there's anything to do in Mauville
>>contests and secret bases
You listed both of these already
>>the pss and o-powers
I'll agree. Whoever cut these should've been fired.
>>pokemon-amie minigames
Decent diversions but not postgame content. You can 100% them early on.
>>mirage spots
>Shitty Streetpass mechanic that relied on more of GF's absolutely wonderful RNG
>>super training
>Garbage mechanic only useful for resetting EVs or checking EVs while you horde spammed
>>fucktons of berries to grow
Like in every game since, what, Gen 2?
>>a battle facility that doesn't try to completely destroy you from go, even if it is complete fucking bullshit most of the time
k
>>important people can be found in places, not really useful but it's fun
Just like in SM
>>items like evolutionary items other are much easier to get
It's called the Pelago. The ones that are BP-only are admittedly bullshit, though.
>fucking heaps of pokemon
Yeah there's no real argument for this. Counting Island Scans and Events, there's only about 390 pokemon in the game. Less than half of the national dex.

>>30930057
Mirage Spots changed when you went online as well, most of the Trial Captains can't be found again after you're completely done with them, more kinds of berries are available in ORAS, and the only evolutionary items offered through Pelago are the stones. Thanks for pointing out that I put contest twice, though.

>>30929912
Holy fuck, I can't believe I never put two and two together. I always assumed the ring portals were just goofy intro animations because GF ran out of ideas.

>>30930009
How the FUCK do you grind FC coins that quickly? I'm only at 250 FC because I cant stand doing the fucking quizzes over and over.

>>30930009
i heard that your pokemon can't learn any moves using that method. do heart scales work?

>>30928829
If you go to Key Items and click on the Zygarde Cube it tells you how many cells you have though

>>30925164
I beat Master with U-turn UB-Beauty, Sitris Metagross, and Toapex (which I should really switch out for another fat HP mon).

>>30930318

Quizzes for the most part. Just spam them type matchups and inverse matchups and hope a lot of people joined the same game you did.

Another thing is to get 2-3 fortune teller places and hope they give you "very good" luck for Wondertrading or Festival Plaza as those are actually a multiplier for how much FC you can gain, and they are stackable.

>>30928596
Pray to the prophets for guidance, spoon head.

>Find someone with Rare Kitchen *****
>it costs 15,000 FC

what the fuck

>>30924847
It's so fucking easy to implement rematches I doubt it has anything to do with the game being rushed. Gamefreak just makes terrible game design decisions like usual.