>special attacker >its best attacks are physical Why does

>>30920597
What do you mean? Its best attacks are special.

File: feraligatr_v_2_by_xous54.png (144KB, 453x494px) Image search: [Google]

144KB, 453x494px

>>30920597
consider yourself fucking lucky OP, at least yours got some attention.

>>30920597
What's this screencap from?

>>30920631
>sheer force with good movepool
>water type
>decent bulk
>dragon dance
Feraligatr is doing just fine.

>>30920631
the fuck are you talking about life orb sheer force dragon dance is viable and solid UU pokemon. Another good set is torrent mystic water sword dance set.

>>30920597
Leaf blade used to be a special attack

>>30920611
Leaf Storm is the only good special attack it gets. Most of its movepool is physical.

File: Samurott.full.1091092.jpg (249KB, 1250x720px) Image search: [Google]

249KB, 1250x720px

>>30920597
>Clearly designed to be physical attacker
>Isn't Fighting type
>Can't learn Sacred Sword (BUT AEGISLASH CAN)
>Signature move is physical
>Mixed with Special bias

Frenzy plant and leaf storm are it's best moves and special. Dragon pulse is special.

What are you on about this time, OP?

>>30920694
S H E L L
M
A
S
H

>>30920694
to be fair, aegislash IS a sword

>>30920690
Energy Ball = Leaf Blade
Dragon Pulse > Dragon Claw
Hidden Power Fire + Focus Blast compared to EQ which it can still run anyway since it's for just 2 mons

What else?

>SD Mega
Now it's a physical attacker, congratulations.

>>30920631
The fuck are you on about?
>Sheer Force
>Movepool to support it
>Dragon Dance avaliable
He's the best G2 starter.

>>30920597
unburden
acrobatics
leaf blade
earthquake
sword dance
flying gem
R.I.P.
I guess his mega is ok

>>30920694
You forgot

>Ugly as sin design

>>30920669
Animated promo for ORAS

>>30920673
HE'S STILL SECOND FODDER TO GYARADOS

>>30920733
>ugly design
Fuck no

>flawed design
Definitely

>>30920733
>Promo art has it with swords out and on two legs
>Games have it be a retarded seal
fuckkkkk. He looks so regal on two legs, goddammit.

>>30920597
Sceptile is one of those Pokemon that suffered from the Physical/Special split. Leaf Blade, Bullet Seed, and any other Grass type attacks it could learn in gen 3 were all Special.

>>30920694
This baffles me to this day. Why can't Samurott have Sacred Sword?!

>It obviously based on a Samurai
>It uses it's Scallops/Shells as Swords
>Deserved to be a half Fighting type unlike Emboar

This is why I hacked my Samurott to have Sacred Sword in Black 2

File: seawarrior.gif (2MB, 500x281px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 500x281px

>>30920733
Oh please, Samurott is a mediocre/average design at worst. It really isn't THAT bad.

>>30920804
The split was necessary, and they have the power to fix characters over generations, they just don't do it.
>Subtract from SpA
>Evenly distribute to bulk and Atk
How hard is this? We already have to rebreed them, so what's the fucking problem.

>>30920844
Worse is that the Musketeers in the same generation got Fighting just for being "swordfighters", despite being quadrupeds.

File: file.png (46KB, 198x225px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 198x225px

It's as if the guys who make the stats aren't in charge of making movesets.

>>30920804
Thunderpunch and Crunch were also special back then. I would also say Dragon Claw, but Dragon Pulse took it's place at least.

>>30920927
It's probably multiple people.

One person probably doesn't just work on one Pokemon. It's probably multiple people that pitch in/interfer.

Kek. Just look at Kingler's moveset throughout the entire lifespan of Pokemon.

>>30920728
I'm more talking about how Gen 2's starters dont get any fucking attention.

>>30920975
Kingler's main issue pre phy/spe split is that it was a physical attacker with a special STAB. It's an okay mon atm, just massively outclassed.

>>30920597
Split was great guys :^)

>>30920927
But A-Persian gets a good amount of Special attacks AND nasty plot.

>>30921031
It's bullshit, especially considering how popular Feraligatr and Typhlosion are

>>30920673
>>30920728
>le dragon dance meme
SD is much superior

>>30921142
This. Gyra does DD better despite having slightly less firepower(well, only if Gatr is using moves that benefit from Sheer Force).

I don't see the problem actually. Mega has 110 base attack, it can learn Outrage from tutors and naturally learns SD, Adamant one would actually be pretty decent.

>>30921031
Some megas change a pokemons entire playstyle, Feraligator doesn't have the movepool to support multiple playstyles. He's a monotype setup sweeper with great stat allocations. At the moment, Sheer Force + Life Orb would be drastically better than a Mega for him unless GF memes out and gives him 60 attack and adaptability + another typing.

>>30920906
The Musketeers should've has Secret Sword as their signature move.

Am I a bad person for giving Samurott Sacred Sword?

>>30920720

The fact that you need to mention Hidden Power just proves his point

>>30921290
No it doesn't. Fire is important coverage for it and it doesn't get Fire Punch.

>>30920720
Swords Dance. It's the main reason why people are bitching about Sceptile stats. Also imagine how much better Earthquake would be if they swapped its attack stats

>>30921305

What does it even threaten with it?

File: dualblades.jpg (55KB, 540x518px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 540x518px

>>30921287
>The Musketeers should've has Secret Sword as their signature move.
Secret Sword is exclusive to Keldeo, not the rest of the group. All of them learn Sacred Sword.

>Am I a bad person for giving Samurott Sacred Sword?
Aeglislash and Kartana get Sacred Sword so no. There is little reason for Samurott not to learn Sacred Sword naturally when the other "sword themed" non-legends get it. Samurott's movepool is a case of "game design-inconsistency".

>>30921342
>>30921351
To kill two birds with one stone: Scizor, Ferrothorn, Skarmory.

EQ doesn't bother the above guys who come in so easily on it and are very common. Celesteela is another one.

File: 1476793985533.gif (84KB, 500x276px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 500x276px

>>30921142
SD is for UU, DD is for OU

>>30921379

252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 133-159 (39.8 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 229-270 (65 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Scizor: 286-338 (83.3 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Celesteela: 146-174 (36.6 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Doesnt even 1HKO Ferrothorn and Scizor

running a 60 base non stab move on a 105 base SpA mon is not gonna be good at all

>>30921433
What the hell does it need to outspeed with ddance? It's 145.

Also, OP, it now gets Work Up via TM which should help special sets a lot, and mixed sets with EQ.

>>30920738
thanks

>>30921447
Wait, why aren't you using Mega Sceptile?

>>30920716
He's never going to get shell smash. I wish you Samurottfags would take a step back and think about what the fuck actually gets shell smash.

Fucking Pupitar and Shelgon have a higher chance of getting it.

>>30920690
Focus Blast/Dragon Pulse/Hidden Power isn't bad coverage. Mixed Earthquake can already reliably OHKO Heatran and it has ass defenses anyway.

The only thing Sceptile could ask for is a decent fire move.

>>30921447
SpDef Skarmory is a terrible forced niche mon to cover holes in teams deliberately exposed by stuff like Mega Garde and Mega Scep. PhysDef Skarm actually walls threatening physical attackers to do its job well and is the more useful and recognized one.

2HKOing is the goal, which this does. Celesteela has no reliable recovery, so it's alright.

>>30921447

Woops

252 SpA Sceptile-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Scizor: 272-324 (79.3 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Sceptile-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 220-260 (62.5 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Sceptile-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 128-152 (38.3 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Sceptile-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Celesteela: 142-168 (35.6 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Same results without the life orb

File: 1466315273785.jpg (13KB, 250x245px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 250x245px

>>30921467
We're talking about feraligator mang not sceptile

>>30921467
>feraligatr is 145

>>30920789
What promo art?

>>30921599
Fucking christ. Mega is outdamaged by regular Sceptile

>>30921054
>physical attacker with a special STAB
So was Salamence, what's your point?

>B-but Hidden Power Flying!

Same BP as unstabbed Return.

>>30921627
>Life Orb makes your attacks strong

Who would've thought?

File: stats.png (33KB, 231x212px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 231x212px

>>30921515
Why are you so against it getting Shell Smash? Doesn't it's mixed offenses and mediocre speed scream Shell Smash abuser? It was designed to use this move but they gave it to shitmons like Carracosta instead.

>>30921693
>they gave it to shitmons

That's the whole point of the move. Giving it to a non-shitmon would make it too strong.

File: 1481259275749.png (36KB, 320x243px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 320x243px

>>30921616
How does he manage it? He doesn't look a day over 18.

>>30921676
No, its just disappointing that the mega boost wasn't enough. Especially when compared to mons like Zard, Metagross, and Pinsir, who all outdamage their normal counterparts AND have good abilities

File: Unova_starters_evolution_artwork.png (351KB, 389x480px) Image search: [Google]

351KB, 389x480px

>>30921622

>>30921673
Are you retarded? STAB HP Flying is 105 BP. NonSTAB Return is 102. Are you forgetting Hidden Power was only nerfed in Gen 6?

>>30921742
>Shell Smash Kommo-o in the Battle Tree
>Kommo-o the worst psuedo of all time with 0 reddeming qualities gets it in the battle tree
>Players can't use it because 'only shitmons' etc

Fuck off. I've never been so mad. It'd be one thing to never have it, but that fucking cock tease makes me SO UPSET. I just wanted to use noizy dragon.

File: jesus_christ_how_horrifying_by_dadonyordel-d8quibi.png (84KB, 440x440px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 440x440px

>>30921882
>252+ Atk Salamence Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Swampert: 102-121
>252+ Atk Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Swampert: 100-118
>difference of 3 points of HP on a Pokemon that reaches 404 HP

That Swampert is so fucking ded.

>>30921892
Wait, the battle tree has a kommo-o with shell smash? You got proof?

File: 1475365947848.gif (815KB, 300x169px) Image search: [Google]

815KB, 300x169px

>>30921892
>Work Up
>Automize
>Dragon Dance
>Sword Dance
>Rock Polish
.
.
.
>Sky Uppercut

>>30921882
Actually it's 90 since hidden power is stuck at 60 and does NOT gain benefit from Aerilate. Not to mention the vast differences in power between Salamence's attacks. Return is way better.

>>30922007
We're talking about gen 3, where Hidden Power Flying was Salamence's only physical STAB.

And I'm saying that he's dumb because the difference in the damage that 3 BP makes is minimal.

>>30921999
You also forgot Belly Drum. Which gives it an option to run Z-Belly
Drum + Rock Polish or SubSalac.

>>30921742
Samurott is a shitmon. It's easily the worst Water starter competitively.

>>30922052
I thought Salamence learned Aerial Ace in gen 3. My Salamence in Gale of Darkness has Aerial Ace.

>>30922543
The point is that HP flying had 70 BP while Aerial Ace had only 60 BP.

Actually, the point got completely lost in this conversation... my original point is that you could be good in gen 3 without having STAB.

File: 1479146794998.jpg (316KB, 677x402px) Image search: [Google]

316KB, 677x402px

>>30921967

Genwunnerfags fit right at home on neofag.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=773978

>>30923140
So we can confirm some of its move tutor moves now using the battle tree, and it would appear they gave the scaled dragon shel smash. Now to find datamine info on battle tree movesets...