>http://www.smogon.com/forums/threa ds/decidueye.3587254/

>>30887940
>Owlfag isn't OU
Holy shit. No one saw this coming

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>BL HELL

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>>30887940
Why do owlfags bully other Pokemon?

>>30888102
What topic is that from?

>>30888165
>what is the OP link

>>30888165
Dhelmise in Uncharted Territory

>>30888102
>a starter is more advertised and more popular than a random pokemon
No shit.

Defensive/support works decently well, though. Defog/Roost/U-turn/Spirit Shackle. Slow U-Turn is really fun too.

Eh, Torterra will always be the grass starter for me.

>Spending your free time obsessing over a fucking owl for shitposting purposes
Sad.

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Oh darn the popular pokemon that people wouldn't shut up about is "bad" competitively. That's too bad

>>30887940
Reminder that Swampert, Empoleon, Infernape, and Greninja are the only starters to ever be OU or higher in their generation's meta.

>>30888506
Wasn't Torterra OU for a few months in DP meta to counter Electivire?

Why the fuck would it be OU

>>30888559
Spirit Shackle and reliable recovery

I actually like Decidueye, but I really don't think it can be OU in any sense

>>30888540
wasnt really OU
but he was decent enough in it
Grass ground was good coverage back then
Seeds
Rocks
recovery
2 good stabs and Stone edge
so it wasnt the worst thing to put on the team

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Bow to the only usable Grass starter.

>>30888540
Electivire had flamethower and Ice Punch i doubt that.

>>30888540
Electivire could learn Ice Punch in Gen 4 and cleanly 2HKO Torterra on the switch, or even OHKO with Rocks up. No idea if it was played that way, but Torterra doesn't seem like a counter to Electivire.

252 Atk Life Orb Electivire Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 196 Def Torterra: 328-390 (83.2 - 98.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>30888618
>>30888540
No ice punch move tutor either


>tfw powercreep has made Electrivier potentially under NU

>>30887940
As a rule, starters are bad and above all, boring pokemon in a competitive setting.
Greninja was an outlier.

I honestly wish game freak stopped doing starters.

>implying owls are OU

>>30888651
>>30888643
>>30888641
In DP there were no tutors

DP meta was before Outrage spam and Bulletpunch Scizor was a thing

>>30888630
Mega venu is goat too.

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>>30888630
I think you mean me

>>30888661
what about the starters who were OU in their generations>>30888506

also
>Gamefreak
>stopping starters
>in a Pokemon game
>ever

>>30887940
>Giving a hoot about Smogon

:^)

>A Starter isn't in OU

What a fucking surprise. Nobody assumed it would be besides smogonfags.

>>30888729
>smogonfags
you mean owlfags

but no, owlfags are never at fault. Their shitty owl is always the best.

>>30888630

but venusaur is good you mong

Oh no, poor Decidueye, trapped in the miserable pits of Just Below OU while Primarina and Incineroar sleep soundly in their cozy log cabins in NU and/or PU. Such a travesty.

>>30888749

I mean Smogonfags.

I feel sorry for owlfags, they really wanted it to be good but its stats are just not spread very well at all.

>>30888651
>>30888670
You could have

1. Breed an elekid for ice punch
2. Used pal park to transfer an electabuzz with ice punch

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>>30888559
Because I said so. :^)

>>30888778
I can settle for mediocrity. I just play for fun and to kill time

>>30888670
>>30888651
Electivire got ice punch as an event in Pokemon Battle Revolution a whole 2-3 years before Platinum.

/vp/ didn't even exist in D/P meta for most people to experience these times. Simulators barely did either. Shoddybattle didn't exist until 2008 and Netbattle's fatal flaw was not updating for D/P.

>>30888670
>what is breeding
It could learn it via Hitmonchan and Medicham

>>30888777
wasted dubs owlfag, but I'm sure that Smogonfags are the ones that wanted your shitty owl to be good

>>30888729
Swampert was OU in Gen. 3.

>>30888768
>everyone shits on Decidueye for being slow in lurantis's playthrough
>it's 10 points faster than both primarina or incineroar
>everyone shits on Decidueye competitively
>higher tiered than both the others
It's like pottery.

>>30888793
>>30888807
Well I'm retarded

My Gen 4 days are a blur

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>>30888768
>Thinking Primarina will be allowed in lower tiers with that defensive typing and special attack

Haha.

>>30888778
I don't.

>>30888816
Pretty much.

>>30887940
Owlfags eternally BTFO. Fuck Decijeweye.

I like Decidueye. It's a neat design.

>>30888877
the other gen 7 starters aren't any more viable tho

People who are obsessed with shitting on a starter just cause it's more popular than the other starters are pathetic tbqh

>>30888898
>He doesn't know.

>>30888947
oh wait

we talkin about Intimidate Incineroar or something else

>>30888834
>being proud of 70 speed
>thinking being faster than a seal is an accomplishment
>being proud of a pokemon whose only reason for being higher-tiered is new toy syndrome and desperate owlfags

>>30888938
Kill yourself faggot, get out here with that damage control owlfag.

Owlfags before leaked stats: "Haha, fuck your trannyseal and baracat."

Owlfags after stats leaked, game is released, and metagame settles a little: "S-s-s-sorry, guys, let's be friends."

No bitch, too late!

>>30888938
yeah Incineroar haters are pathetic cucks, I agree

>>30888630
Scept and venu are good with their mega stones, but serp is indisputably the best nonmega grass starter. Kind of amazing how contrary turned it around from being a literally who in NU to a stallbreaking menace in OU.

>>30888991
What if I liked all the starters,just preferred Rowlet line?

>>30888991
if you think it was only the owlfags who were flinging shit you are straight up retarded

t. poppliofag

>>30888987
>Decidueye was only OU in Pre-bank
>Being OU in pre-bank isn't automatically something to be proud of
>Not only is Decidueye not OU in Post-Bank but it's probably not OU in Pre-Bank either anymore.

>>30888689
>>30888765
My niggas

>>30888991

If this isn't bait, you've got some serious mental issues.

>>30888987
I'm not proud of any of those things, I boxed my starter this gen.

I'm just lauging at desperate 60 speed tigerfags and "primarina is the only one with a chance of OU" shitters.

>>30888991
>>30888993
If you don't like Decidueye's design, that's fine. But the only reason you're so incredibly assblasted about the damn owl is because it's more popular than the other starters. Just shut up about it already.

Decidueye is in one of those bad situations where it's not good enough for OU due to its stat distribution but can't really drop to UU because Spirit Shackle is a pseudo-Shadow Tag. It could function well in UU with its resistances due to having ghost as a secondary typing and 2 immunities, allowing it to spin block as well. It also has support in form of Defog, Haze, Screens, Toxic and reliable recovery in Roost and Synthesis. It has priority in form of Suckerpunch but it's not worth it generally, since U-turn help much better in form of pivot and prevents trapping while Leaf Blade is a much stronger and it shares many common SE typings with Spirit Shackle anyway.
While it is much better than the other 2 starters in terms of what they can do, being stuck in BL means you're too weak for the tier you're allowed in but banned from the tier where it can function well. I do hope that they decide for it to be UU though, otherwise it'll be complete ass.

>>30889054
Well Primarina is the only one with an OU analysis...

>>30889072
interesting

it WOULD be a shame if it was BL, seeing as there's a lot of competition in OU

UU seems like a real good spot for it.

>>30889062
Shut the fuck you stupid ass owlfag. Go damage control somewhere else.

>>30889089
Alolan Exeggutor has one too tho

>>30889062
nah, the only reason everyone is shitting on the owl is because you owlfags kept shitting onto the other starters but when we got actual stats you shitters kept thinking he would be OU and now that we know he isn't worth shit there you guys claim

>no, nobody thought it would be OU! hahaha, :^)

>>30888540
Rampardos was OU in the first months too

Primarina is literally taking UU by storm.

Once Incineroar gets Intimidate it'll be very viable in Doubles.

Decidueye has NOTHING on these two and is the worst starter.

>>30889113
but no one really DID think it would be OU

just like all the starters

>>30889089
That doesn't change much. Everyone said Owl would likely end up NU or RU at best but they're considering it for BL. That's where Salamence and Thundurus-Therian ended up last gen.

>>30889112
Thinking Primarina was the only one with a chance at being OU wasn't so unfounded because in the end Primarina is the only one with an OU analysis.

>>30889128
Primarina is still doing okay/well even after all the Pokemon that dropped from OU? O.o

>>30889113
Anon, most of that stuff was... o-oh, you... you took bait seriously?

I'm so sorry, anon.

>>30887940
I run it well with 2 sets
Decidueye (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade / Baton Pass / U-Turn
- Spirit Shackle
- Swords Dance
- Roost

Decidueye (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Calm Nature
- Energy Ball / Spirit Shackle
- Defog
- U-Turn
- Roost

It's won me a few games.The top one works best, trapping in mons it can ahndle, swords dancing up, then sweeping or baton passing to something else. Toxapex dies to it unless it is a merciless build. If it has Haze, it slows things down, but it is just a struggle till the end.

>>30889185
>we were pretending to be retarded

hahaha, caught

>>30889113
>because you owlfags kept shitting onto the other starters
Was this before or after entire board hopped on the "fucking Owl being 70 base speed" train?
>but when we got actual stats you shitters kept thinking he would be OU
Everyone said Primarina would be OU and Owl would be outclassed by Dhelmise.
>and now that we know he isn't worth shit there
Well no, now that it made it to OU Owlfags were 100% right about it being OU. Claiming that it's not good there is just moving the goalpost.

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>>30889149
No they didn't. Kek.

>>30888967
Primarina actually turned out to be pretty good. 116 special attack and that typing really worked out well for it, though I think decidueye can work decently in OU. Incineroar is sadly the worst of the bunch, but once it gets intimidate it'll be a bit better.

>>30889239
Incineroar will probably go well with Tapu Bulu in Doubles.

>>30889205
OR maybe I've been on this site for more than a week, unlike you, and I have the sense to know bait when I see it.

>>30889233
>literally the first reply two posts down is an owlfag calling him out for being wrong
Get better at cherrypicking. You almost have a point.

>>30889258
>Only I can decide what's bait or not

kek.

Right now, it looks like

Prima>Deci>>>Incine

Incine will get a lot more use when its HA is released, but none of the starters will be OU in usage or BL in strength.

>>30889015
So you're saying that its hidden ability made it usable contrary to what it was before

>>30888938
What do you expect from a bunch of hipsters

>>30889233
Anyone who seriously thought primarina would be PU is retarded. Water/fairy is one of the best typings in the game. This may have been a baitpost, anon.

>>30888888

>>30889015
>Sceptile
>good with mega stone
It's decent at the very best because nomoves but no ridiculous boostign ability like Serperior

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Reminder that owlshitters picked anthony burch as their starter.

>>30887940

All the starters are UU. We've known this since the stats were leaked.

Primarina has the best stats, but it can't do shit in OU despite its amazing typing.

>>30889318

>bird better than Incineroar

Literally Bird shoots its nigger shackles at people then dies. That's it. Traps a Mon for a 1-1 kill(eventually)

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>>30889960
>Bird
oh u done it now

>>30889741
The 145 speed tier is super nice, though, especially with the mega buff. It's a cleaner, not a breaker, but admittedly it is the worst of the three.

>>30889982

"Owls are birds from the order Strigiformes, which includes about 200 species of mostly solitary and nocturnal birds of prey typified by an upright stance, a large, broad head, binocular vision, binaural hearing, sharp talons, and feathers adapted for silent flight."

>>30888102
>a starter was more advertised than a pokemon that hadn't been revealed

Is this guy retarded?

>>30889960
It's not even that decidueye is good, it's just that incineroar is garbage. Intimidate will help it for VGC, but it's really bad in singles.

>>30890003
It's a meme.

>>30890003
>Owls
>are
>b
>i
>r
>d
>s

>implying

>>30890064
>Oabirds
What did he mean by this?

>>30889333
The pun and those trips. WITNESSED

>>30890023

It's got spectacular coverage, but everything is being shifted around so we don't know exactly where everything's going to be, so it's having to fight these OU and Ubers mons right now.

I've actually found success in Nasty Plot Incineroar. People toss out their Defensive wall then get BTFO by a Dark Pulse/Flamethrower from Max Sp.A Modest Incineroar.

>>30890101
>are owls implying birds

>>30889333

Carlos!

>>30890003

owls aren't birds dumbass

>>30889128
People are already using Incineroar in VGC even without the HA. It's going to be a staple once it gets Intimidate.

>>30890161
>Special attacker Incineroar
Well I got to admit, I definitely wouldn't see that coming. Although I'm pretty sure a physical one would be better.
Regardless, once it gets Indimidate, it can survive more hits and be an annoying shit bag with fake out + will o wisp.

>>30887975
Tell that to the delusional deciducucks

>>30890064
>>30890227

>tfw can't make up jokes of my own so I copy old unfunny memes

>tfw every day I hold a cap gun to my head and pull the trigger to train myself for my final day

I assume this is what life is for you to. Well when I say assume, I really mean hope.

reminder that merciless toxapex fags are still 10x more annoying than anyone trying to push the shitty starters

>>30890613
now here's something we can all agree on

>>30890613
This. I hatched a 6IV merciless mareanie while breeding and WTd that shit immediately. It's always a shame when signature abilities/moves turn out to be shit, but nobody was dumb enough to run strong jaw tyrantrum once rock head released. The merciless meme will die eventually.

>>30887940
Owl is based

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>>30888630
Lol

>>30889856
>playing as Rowlet
>playing AS Rowlet

>>30887940
Decidueye set with max hp/atk with Assault Vest could be good, It has quite high SpDef

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>>30888630
U wot m8
>great physical bulk
>access to spikes and leech seed
>bulletproof

>>30894740
>Talonflame use-

>>30894811
That argument can be made for literally every grass starter. Also
>implying Talonflame will ever see use again
Top shelf laugh

>>30887940
wantd t ck hm s bad bt had t ck th kttn nstad

>>30894846
>he thinks basedest bird will ever not be OU

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>>30887940
>Had this fucker on my team for in-game
>Kept getting one-shot/two-shot since everything carries Dark-type moves
>Grabbed a Mimikyu and dumped this cuck in the PC to look for Pokebeans
Feels good

>>30888768
Why do owlfags ignore that Primarina is in UU with them?

>>30889226
It was before

>>30888729
Literally no smogonfag thought this

>>30895125
This, my Owl was a fucking jobber

>>30890402
Incineroar is also good in Battlespot mostly because it counters Marowak-A, Celesteela and Aegislash. He benefits from the much more matchup based format of 3v3.

>>30894679
WHAT IS IT WITH SHITTERS AND ASSAULT VEST? WHY WOULD YOU ASSAULT VEST A POKEMON WHO'S MAIN DRAW OVER ITS COMPETITORS IS ITS SUPPORT MOVEPOOL/RELIABLE RECOVERY??

I swear to fucking god you people will try to "SLAP AN ASSAULT VEST" on ANYTHING. It's Verlis tier.

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>>30895125
Except his previous aren't weak to Dark, and by the time you finally evolved, Ratticate and Persian should stop being a problem to you.

>>30895022
>Unown used Hidden Power Rock!

>>30895255
Epic falseflag, Incinebroar
*bropaws*

>>30895140
Because Owlfags are fucking retarded.

>>30887940

i see your problem OP, you think smogon actually knows something about the pokemon metagame.

>>30889128
Primarina dropped a lot in usage after UU got made into a "tier" rather than a room tourney banlist. I assume it's mostly because Azumarill is there though.

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>>30890502
>getting this triggered about old memes

>>30888102
>if Dhelmise and Decidueye were placed side by side, and you had no idea what their stats/movepool/abilities were. Who would you choose?
Dhelmise, by a mile.

>>30895319
It wasn't the Raticates and Persians. On Ula'ula Island the owl kept jobbing to sucker punches and other dark type moves from Team Skull Spinaraks and Guzma's Ariados. It having tons of weaknesses and specialised Grass/Ghost STABs also didn't help. It was also useless in the Elite Four where Primeape's pursuit took it out easily and Acerola trashed it with no problems. Eventually I got sick of it and replaced it with Mimikyu - haven't looked back since.

>>30895234
Same here

>>30895319
Too bad everything gets dark type coverage and most of that stuff outspeeds the owl. Makes for a bad time

>>30889015
>Kind of amazing how contrary turned it around from being a literally who in NU to a stallbreaking menace in OU

Yeah, amazing how a STAB 130BP Nasty Plot off 113 speed made it OU. Who would have thought? Simply incredible.

>>30895125
>dump it at the first opportunity, never planning to use it again
>beat the game
>realize it's one of the only false swipers in Alola
>bring it back as a catcher, ends up fully evolved and league level

could be worse

>>30896621
>jobbing to the Meme 4
Acerola didn't manage to kill a single one of my pokes and my Owl had fucking Sucker Punch too so he ended up killing a bunch of faggots on her team.

>>30896716
Did you get the event Munchlax? It comes with Hold Back (which is basically False Swipe). Together with Yawn my Snorlax does a pretty good job at being a catcher and an in-game powerhouse.

>Ou material
>literally my mom's less bulkier empoleon

>>30896857
>decidnumales have to lie to defend their shitmon
sad

>>30897352
Not my fault you suck at the game and had a shit team. He was not MVP by any means but he at least did something.

If you job to Acerola while having Sucker Punch you just suck, period.

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t. Owlards

>>30897561
>defending Furry and Trans shit
I bet you voted Hillary too

>>30888898
Incineroar has really good bulk with 95/90/90 backed by intimidate as a hidden ability as well as having access to a HP draining move in leech life and a way to bolster his bulk with bulk up and will-o-wisp.

Primarina's typing gives it a natural advantage being one of the best typings defensively as well as having fantastic special defense, access to the dual screens, and scald to help with its subpar physical defense.

Decidueye has...Roost and Synthesis backed by rather frail defenses in 78/75/100, barely edging out Incineroars base 90 special defense. Decidueye doesn't even have any options to boost its defenses unlike Incineroar.

The other two starters may not be seeing the OU tier anytime soon, but they're a hell of a lot more viable than Decidueye.

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>>30890502
>Getting so triggered about an old vp meme

>>30897643
>Decidueye has 2 recovery options while the other 2 shitmons don't and Furbait relies on doing damage to heal some HP, which he sucks at because shit ATK and Type (Bug and no STAB)
Yeah, nice try degenerate.

>>30895249
Assault vest is my personal favorite item and I agree with you. Decidueye may have a lot more special bulk than usual, but the other two starters use it much better. Primarina becomes a monster of a special tank and Incineroar can tank a lot of punishment. How much?

An assault vest Incineroar is able to tank a fucking focus blast from a calm minded Reniculus.

>>30896662
I meant that just a simple ability change was enough to catapult serp to greatness. No need to be an asshat, anon.

>>30895022
>He thinks Talonflame will ever be good again
The Gale Wings nerf fucking castrated it

deshitueye

>>30897738
>115 attack
>Respectable base 80 power move, making it the strongest draining move in the game
>Shit

Bug may not hit a whole lot of things super effectively, but this gives Incineroar much more staying power than Decidueye. At least Incineroar has the defense to use it. Have fun using roost and synthesis with78/75/100 defenses.

Incineroar can also make proper use of the assault vest unlike Decidueye who LOSES those healing capabilites if you slap an assault vest on him.

>>30897861
>115 attack
That's super shit, not even 10 above Decidueye, and if you go Bulky it will hit for even less
>Bug may not hit a whole lot of things super effectively, but this gives Incineroar much more staying power than Decidueye
Bug is not very effective to a lot of shit and it will not recover even 25% of HP with that shit ATK and typing, let alone 50% like Synthesis/Roost.

>assault vest
Hi Verlisify

>>30897951
Don't associate me with fucking Verlis. I actually know how to use an assault vest, and on something with base 90 special defense, base 95 HP, high attack and a draining move, Incineroar becomes a great tank because of his good physical movepool.

And again, you aren't going to get the chance to USE roost/synthesis with such garbage physical bulk and speed. At least Incineroar has the well-rounded defenses to back up being slow. Decidueye has nothing.

>>30898059
Yeah I bet Pelipper is shit too :^)

>>30898091
Pelipper can at least setup the rain upon entry giving it a boosted scald and a 100% STAB hurricane, making it a good choice scarf user (never ran a pelipper personally so I'm just making estimated guesses, feel free to correct me).

>>30894740
>Pidgey used Peck!

>>30893363
I know that there's a lot of new toy syndrome here but I'm surprised A-Golem, Vikavolt and Crabominable even made it to UU.

Bewear screamed OU to me at first, how is it shaping up in play?

I don't get all this discussion on the owl, which is the least viable starter in this gen. Can't owlfags just let it go or at least suggest an objectively usable set?

>>30888651
Evire was always garbage that made it in OU because all the shitters thought it was good and over used it

>>30898653
This.
Owl is too slow to trap and doesn't have the bulk to properly utilize its recovery moves.

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>>30888102
nuowlfags are retards

>tfw roothoot will never be real

>>30898895
i'll take the redditowl line over roothoot any day
these 2 weeks were fucking cancer

cucklet is a mess

>>30888661
This is such a stupid comment. Keep waiting for that no starter game

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>>30887940
>Decidueye's stats are shown
>Baratiger fags laugh at it for being so slow
>Incineroar ends up being slower
>Owlfags got the last laught
>Decidueye is the only Alola starter to hit OU usage in pre-bank meta
All I see is victory for owlfags

>>30897611
You don't have to defend Popplio and Litten to hate Decidueye fags.

>>30897861
Decidueye's speed means it'll likely be getting hit before it can even use Synthesis. Kek.

>>30897738
Primarina is a Wallbreaker. Having a reliable form of recovery would be nice but it doesn't need it to function. Not everything is going to be/needs to be some sweeper.

>>30899231
>pre-bank meta

There are the keywords folks. Pre-bank metagame. Decidueye is not OU in the Post-Bank metagame. Decidueye could only ever be OU in a nerfed metagame.

>>30897643
Sensible post. Out of the three, decidueye has less going for it then primarina and incineroar in OU play, especially once intimidate gets released.

>>30888506
All three starters were OU in Generation III.

>>30896857
Even with sucker punch, my owl was still too frail to sweep even when it was at higher levels than hers (lv 62). Leaf Blade and Sucker Punch never did enough to kill even after a crit which allowed her mons to land at least one heavy hit (it only took two to kill it). Meanwhile I gave my Mimikyu a Persim Berry, swords danced twice on the Sableye while tanking a hit with disguise and Confuse Ray and proceeded to sweep with ease (only taking damage from Drifblim and Frosslass). All this with it at level 46.

>>30902608
Sceptile and Blaziken are apparently BL in R & S's metagame now.