>DUDE JUST INJECT IT LMAO >DUDE YOU'RE WASTING SO

>>30885489
Thanks for sharing your grievances. Did this post feel cathartic?

Tell me how you feel.

>C'MON BRO LEMME JUST INJECT IT FOR YOU

Could this one really be considered as bad as the other 2?

>>30885489

Versalis pls go away

>>30885489

LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH INJECTING

>HURR ITS CHEATING

VGC doesn't give a shit as long as the stats are legal, why should I?

>YOU DIDN'T EARN IT

same result at the end of the day

>TFW YOU MAKE THE PERFECT MON LEGIT THO

ffs you haves fee fees over data and how you get it? what are you some kind of autistic furry poketuber?

I mean honestly, certain pokemon are just far too annoying to get, like shiny female salandit or Porygon Z.

>>30885656
just cheapens the shiny effect

>>30885489

BOY I SURE LOVE SOFT RESETING ULTRA BEASTS AND UBS FOR HIDDEN POWER AND IDEAL NATURES INSTEAD OF BATTLING!

>>30885489
I don't care if people inject, but injectorfags are the gay pride parade members of Pokemon. The most obnoxious people on the board easily.

>>30885624
my question is why buy a 40 dollar game just to cheat in the competitive part.

>>30885916
Because the cheating in question does not necessarily affect the competitive nature of the game? You're not competing to see who twirls in the autism box the fastest.

>>30885489

Theres little left to do but shit up online after they removed some three battle types, the pokedex, and exploration in general.

Next gen is probably going to be fucking showdown on a cart.

>>30885997
Tired old argument is tired and old

>>30885916
You don't even need to buy it if you know what you're doing.

>>30885997
Am I the only one who sometimes uses the long-ass routes just because it's more fun?

>>30886228
No. I hunted that shiny Cubone and it was entirely worth the 12+ hours of suffering I endured on its account.

I was a big proponent of action replay etc. usage until gen 6, where breeding and such just became so piss easy and hacking became significantly more cumbersome that I felt it was time for a change. I even refuse most of the time if someone offers to gen me something.

>>30885624
Everything you say is true and I don't care that you inject but just let people play the game the way they want to. Yes, it's easier to inject. Yes, I could inject. No, I don't want to do it. I prefer to play the game the "legit" way, no matter how long and boring it can be, because I feel way more satisfied when I achieve something that way.

>>30885624
>VGC doesn't give a shit
but it does?
>same result at the end of the day
buying a TV and stealing one has the same end result of you having a TV, but it doesnt make it right
>le verlisify xd
So caring about the integrity of a competitive community makes me a furry?

>>30886228
I spent 4 days soft resetting for a shiny Type Null with a decent nature. I had fun believe it or not but because the pay off was definitely worth it.
I wouldn't do it again though.

>>30885997
But it does? It grants you access to strong Pokemon. Without cheating, you wouldn't have them. That is affecting the competitive nature of the game. Not only that, it gives you more time to spend on creating new strategies or teams. That is giving you a clear advantage over someone who plays fairly.

I always say this, and I'll say this again. Injecting is cheating. If you're going to inject, no one can stop you, but don't deny that fact. Accept it, and cheat.

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who here /indifferenttobreedingorinjecting/ master race?

>>30886371
>he doesn't know ingame gift pokemon have a 100% synchro rate

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>people actually bitching about editing a children's game

What a joke you kids are. I understand the preschool-level emotional outburst you probably have at the idea of someone having fun with less effort than you is, but spewing childishly autistic ideas you want other people to conform to accomplishes nothing. I'll be over here enjoying my injected fully-finished pokes and using my time better when you're ready to grow up.

Also, the only vocal retards on this board are the moralbabbies squealing about how much they don't like hacking. This thread is ironic proof of how embarrassing you manchildren are.

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>>30886475
>he cheats at a childrens game

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>>30886538

>Caring this much about how other people enjoy a children's game

Do you realize how embarrassing you are?

>>30886384
The test is utilizing pokemon in an ideal environment, not the dice rolling and jerking off required to create said ideal environment and pokemon.

There is no skill involved in breeding, just dice rolls and wasted time.

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>>30886475
Oh, superior anon, who is so intelligent that he needs to cheat in order to compete in game aimed at children. If only I could be on the same level as you.

>>30886405
Is it the same as the /wehavethisthreadeveryfuckingday/ master race?

>>30886661
basically

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>>30886632

>Caring this much about how other people have fun at a children's game

"W-waaah! You have to do it exactly how I do it or it's it not fair! Waaaah!"

>>30886384
>it gives you more time to spend on creating new strategies or teams
It doesn't though, you could just play showdown while spinning around in the autism box and you'd get the same amount of time to do those things.

>>30885489
Just inject it, son
There's an entire fucking general dedicated to that, there's no excuse unless you're some sort of moralfag or are a die hard fan of Verlisify

>>30886697

>moralfags getting BFTO this hard

>>30885575
I only inject perfect mons for the bullshit Battle locations, I'd rather complete the dex by myself

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>>30886612
>S-stop caring! le-leave me alone with muh programs breedfags :'(
Can someone be more pathetic?

>>30886384
injecting is not cheating

>>30886765
Yes, the people that feel the need to make endless "INJECTING IS BAD, KILL YOURSELVES" Threads
It's the same bullshit at the end of the day, so why give a fuck?

>>30886699
>showdown
as if showdown gave you the ability to tweak your teams 5 hours before your tournament

>>30886384
are you so retarded that you can't plan strategies while press the fucking control stick?

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>>30886769
I love this meme

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>>30886765

>Being this transparently triggered over getting called out

Holy shit you're embarrassing

>>30885997
>Hacking in pokemon in a game about catching/breeding cool pokemon is ok

>>30886631
Whatever is required for breeding, breeding is required to play competitive. Even if it is boring, it is a necessary requirement. Skipping that is the same as skipping the grinding in a normal RPG. It's an integral part, even if it is a boring one.

>>30886699
Fair enough, though I would argue It is a bit hard to do both at the same time, even if breeding doesn't require a lot of attention.

>>30886823
No? I inject.

Breeding and Injecting are both cancer
Competitive Pokémon is cancer

>>30885489
Go away Verlis.

>>30886807
>hey man I cheated at a test while you studied very hard but it's the same result anyways so it doesnt matter right? ;)
Nice mental gymnastics bro

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>not injecting 6 IV dittos with every nature

>>30886899

So where does injecting Pokemon actually affect competitive battling? By your logic, most major sports which require sponsors are populated solely by cheating. It's this kind of regressive logic that holds people back.

>>30886347
People use impossible balls in tournaments and no one gives a shit, except autistics moralfags

>>30886815
That's a whole different argument right there. Most of the time there is no advantage to injecting, though that is definitely a rare exception. Would you ever even need to make significant changes to a team so late?

>>30886855
>posts walls of text against breedfags
>calls everyone who mocks him triggered
you okay man?

>>30886949

>Being a sheep that diligently dedicates self to rote memorization and does not value their independence, time, or education
>Being upset that people utilized any means possible to succeed in a world based on succeeding by any means possible
>Being this big of a cuck

What a joke you are

>>30886949
But that's literally right

>>30887013
There is always that advantage, it just isnt noticeable because everyone elses cheats.

>>30887015

>Post one line of greentext
>Immediate damage control responses

Breeders in a nutshell.

>>30887023
>using cuck as an insult
Seriously, it doesnt even mean anything, it's just a buzzword to make yourself feel better

>>30887047
>Breeders
>implying there is an alternative to get perfect Pokemon

Cheating using third party tools is not a playstyle.

>>30886973
You're cheating to get the tools required to compete. GF is constantly adding and improving the method to get perfect IV Pokemon. You're ignoring all that, and just hacking a Pokemon into the game. It's the same as completing the Pokedex with cheating. You're skipping the boring, repetitive part to get the rewards.
In another example, it would be like having access to the rarest weapon and armor, with the best enchantments, in the game without actually grinding for it. This is cheating, no matter how you put it.

I still don't understand why are you so adamant about calling it fair.

>>30887047
>sees one line of greentext
>gets triggered and gladly takes the bait
wew grow some thicker skin dude

>>30887152
>waaaahhh you're skipping the boring repetitive part! how dare you!

I inject, and yes it's cheating.

No, I don't care, but I used to. I don't create impossible shit, I just do it to skip the boring stuff that I used to do to actually get to the part where I can start enjoying myself.

I do still occasionally MM/chain for shits and giggles, but it's such a massive pain in the ass to set up and burns so much of my time with such weak payoff that it isn't worth it in the end.

>>30887152
fuck off retard

>>30887234
No one is saying that. I inject myself. I just don't understand why you're being retarded and calling it fair. Just accept it's cheating and move on. No one can stop you from cheating.

>>30886706
>die hard fan of Verlisify
how is this possible

>>30885763
This.

How do you know someone hacks Pokemon? They'll tell you, multiple times, no context needed, all while shitting on you for wanting to actually play your video game.
Pure cancer.

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Holy shit everyone in this thread should kill themselves

Regardless of whether you breed or inject, what makes you pathetic is your need to defend your way of playing a kids game to the bitter end

>>30887322
>>30885997

I understand the comparison, and it was actually pretty good. That said, not all of us go around doing that. Kinda like the pride parade people making the rest of the gay community who just want to be normal people look bad.

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It doesn't really matter if someone injects as long as it's all legal shit really. You're autistic if you're trying to force someone to play a game a certain way. I'll probably do it myself once I 100% my dex simply because it's too time consuming to breed all the time.

If Nintendo somehow brings the hammer down on people someday, so be it. The problem is shitheads who brag about it like they're superior for cheating. It's not a big deal but don't be faggot about it. It's the same as people who got banned for playing early, use your fucking head.

>>30887251
>>30887270
it isn't cheating. it is fair because injecting is available to everyone

>>30887383
we do this out of boredom you retard

>>30887383

Well, I'm not defending myself, but you're the one coming into a thread about something you don't care about and telling everyone to kill themselves. Ironic, I know.

>>30887383
>No one should care about the things I don't care about
(You)

>>30887418
I don't know these people who parade injected mons around. I hope you don't think the
>just inject it
people are legitimate. even though you should just inject it, it's just a meme you retard

OP here
I think you all misunderstood the point, my issue was
>>30885763
>>30887322

>>30887420
>You're autistic if you're trying to force someone to play a game a certain way.

Cheating using third party tools is not a playstyle.

>>30887422

Using a literal cheating device that's available to everyone doesn't mean it's not cheating. Steroids are available to everyone in the Olympics but it's still cheating.

>>30887422
>it isn't cheating. it is fair because injecting is available to everyone
Just because everyone can cheat doesn't mean it isn't cheating.
A rather extreme analogy, but everyone has a method of killing people. Doesn't mean the one who does isn't committing a crime.

>>30887469

Not sure where you were going with this post.

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>>30887460
>>30887461
Well, I did say everyone in this thread. That means I should kill myself too, right?

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>>30887529
No anon, life is precious thing. You should treasure it.

>>30887480
I was referring to the people who think injectors should be forced to breed, which is a play style.

>>30887484
steroids affect the competition
injecting doesn't affect the battle

>>30887495
literally a false equivalence

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>DUDE JUST BREED IT LMAO
>DUDE IT ONLY TAKES LIKE ONE HOUR HAHAHA
>C'MON BRO LEMME JUST TRADE THIS 6IV DITTO TO YOU
>L
>O
>L

>>30887576

It does. It gets you the results faster. Needless to say training has a deadline, like the Pokemon competitions. You could "train up" a perfect team instantly and be ready for the competition at any time, but if you actually "trained" without steroids you might not be as ready, i.e. not had perfect mons for the VGC or whatever.

It's cheating. It's relatively harmless cheating, but still cheating.

>>30887572
>forced to breed

No one is forced to breed, at all, they can settle for playing with imperfect Pokemon if they aren't willing to go through the effort of acquiring perfect ones without cheating the game. Or they can cheat and admit they cheat and shut the fuck up about this "fair play" hypocritical bullshit.

All I can say is this:

If they made it so that all legitimate Pokemon had their IVs set to whatever the player wanted without messing up their Hidden Power then this would pretty much be a non-issue, as nothing they cheat with will have an effect outside their own game.

>ITT Autism
Just RNG you faggots, it isnt cheating so you cant get called out and it doesnt take a lot of time.

>>30887632
wrong. it's not cheating

>>30887632
So people who don't have the time to devote to twirling in the autismbox should be disadvantaged in competition, regardless of their actual skill at the game?

And let's be real, when was the last time somebody with imperfect mons ever made top cut in a serious competition?

30887733

You could at least try.

>>30887748
yes, because playing a game competitively is a luxury, not a right.

>>30887748

I never claimed any of that. Nintendo should allow everyone to freely create whatever they need for the competition. They brought this issue on themselves, and there's no one to blame but them.

However, for any other ordinary Battle Spot battles or anything, it's a disadvantage. The breeding system sucks. MMing sucks. Really, the only thing you should have to work for is a shiny, MAYBE. It's all a garbage system. But with the way it is it's a disadvantage to many players.

HOWEVER, as time goes on and legitimate players have already created their own mons legitimately, the gap will be closed and there will be no difference between injecting and "legitimate."

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>>30887790

>>30887748
>put time into training monsters on the monster training video game
>get rewarded for it

Yes, this should grant an advantage.

>>30885624
>Autistic furry Poketuber

That's very specific. Is this a reference to something?

>>30887752
you could at least learn to reply you dumb newfag

>>30887881
Jojo, maybe?

>>30885698
BOY, I SURE DO LOVE IGNORING AN EASILY USABLE FEATURE OF THE GAME FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING A POINT

>>30887874
>put time into playing a shitty minigame
>autowin against anybody who didn't play this minigame in a completely unrelated and skill based multiplayer game
sounds fair

>>30887874
>put time into injecting
>get rewarded

yes it is not cheating. glad we are on the same page :)

>>30887874
>create varying power levels for digimons
>not expecting competitive players to only use the most powerful variations available to win

there is no advantage, it's an artificial barrier to entry

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>>30887874
But does it grant an advantage?

The answer is and always will be no

how the fuck do I get aqua jet into my golisopod?

>>30887916
>completely unrelated

But that's wrong, the game is designed so everything is connected.
You are separating things in your head, when the game is designed as a monster collecting and training RPG with a pvp part.

>>30887946
yeah injecting just speeds up the process. it's called efficiency

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>using something outside of the game to alter the data inside your game isn't cheating

>>30887840
>no response

>>30887946
This is probably the most retarded thing I've heard all day, and I work in retail, so I hear some pretty retarded shit.

Good job, anon!

>>30887916
It's directly related, you retard.

You are so deluded you have worked out injection/simulators into your idea of what Pokemon is and thinks battles exist in a vacuum.

>>30887946
>monster collecting and training rpg
>breeding hundreds and maybe thousands of monsters then letting them all sit in a box because you finally lucked out and got the one you wanted
what fun roleplay

>>30887897
No, I'm completely serious.

>>30887993
Shitpost

>>30887634
OR OR OR HEAR ME OUT. I CAN GEN LEGAL LOOKING POKES, AND KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT WHEN THEY PASS THE HACK CHECKS.Oh wait......they already do. Multiple top 8's in regionals and 2 world showings. God I love not being a NEET

>>30887999
breeding is literally just a barrier to entry and adds absolutely nothing to the actual competition
how is it related at all?

>>30887987

>implying anybody has said otherwise, still doesn't grant an advantage

0/10 bait apply yourself

>>30887933
If you have Sun, go get a Tirtuga from Olivia's shop in Koni Koni by getting a cover fossil. Restore it and it should know Aqua Jet. Breed it with a female Wimpod and there.


Alternatively, we could trade, I got a golisopod with aqua jet I could breed real fast

>>30888058
Because the game is more than the "actual competition" you speak of, a game exists outside the battle itself, and that is the RPG part.

You are separating different aspects of the game into their own game that exists in a vacuum, when it was designed as a cohesive whole. If you have a problem with this email Game Freak so they can laugh at you.

>>30885624
I don't hate you for injecting, but why don't you just go on Showdown? You don't even have to buy the game ffs.

>>30888058
its a method to get competitive mons, and what it add to the competition is the pokemon themselves.

>but pokemon should be a simulator lmao
It isnt, if you want to play the game you must play it whole.

>>30888099
Or we could play the fun part of game on equal footing with the breedNEETs, and not waste hours of our time on boring, repetitive tasks

name one thing breeding adds to the actual competition. Name ONE part of breeding that is skill based on not just a mindless grindfest until you get the mon you want. If they completely removed breeding from pokemon and just let you choose stats the metagame would not change at all. You would not be able to tell the difference between a tournament of pokemon that were injected and a tournament of only bred pokemon. Breeding adds nothing and is a waste if you care about competitive

>>30888021

Versilfy, he's a moralfag to the extreme that starts drama with smaller channels, recently had a meltdown over a Beast Ball Porygon and does clckbait WATCH THIS SHITMON SWEEP THIS KID WITH SHITTY LEGENDARY AND STARTER teams via baton pass shinanigans.

>>30888145
>people who have the time and resources to play a game competitively are NEETs
in other news, the sky is blue

Why do you think you have to play the game when you cant invest time in it?

>>30888064
Are you fucking blind? Multiple people in this thread have said it isn't.

>>30888140
>>30888099
>it's a tournament that only focuses on the battle portion of the game
>there is zero single player content during the actual tournament
>b-but pvp isn't in a vacuum!

>>30888224
the battle portion of the game forms a whole with the rest of the game. It literally doesnt exist in a vacuum.

30887891

(you)

>>30888263
but the tournament isn't playing the game. It's playing the battle portion. VGC tournaments aren't speedruns anon

>>30888197
The resources to circumvent time-wasting are available to me. What logical reason can you provide that I should choose to waste my time rolling dice on egg hatches rather than practicing battling (read: the part of the game that is tested by competition)?

>>30888145
>on equal footing
But if you cheat you are not on equal footing.

You could argue you are if you only cheat to make up for time you spent at work or school, but are you getting realistic sets that you WOULD be up to get in that amount of time you are compensating for? Or are you getting 6IV Defog Skarmories and HP Ice 6IV legendaries? Or maybe something like Wish Chansey?
There are a million ways you can use hacking to get a ridiculously big advantage regardless of your "free time" excuses.

>>30888224
You are asked to bring your Pokemon to the tournament, and getting them through the RPG portion of the game. Injecting is not only not supported, but forbidden in tournament rules, Anon.

>>30888195
>Beast Ball Porygon

What the hell? They caught Porygon in a special ball, so what? I gotta check this cancer out

>>30888300
okay go ahead and ban me for having injected mons. Oh wait you can't tell the difference :)

I hope this never gets purged, because this show how autistic both sides are. Just shut up and play you fucking double niggers

>>30888303

Porygon can't be caught in a Beast Ball by any means other than hacking.

>>30885916
If they're injecting, I really doubt they're bought it.

While it is a little annoying these people pretty much freeload of the people who pay to have the games be made, I can forgive it because if that's what got more people to play it then I can't be too annoyed. Anyway as for the main point of the thread...

The people who are SO against injections are actually the worst kind of people. You acknowledge that you are literally getting the exact same data in your game, there are no differences, you know this and yet you somehow think there's some kind of infection or obvious out of place string of hex somewhere. There's not. You can be mad and say "why would you get the game only to cheat and complete it immediately" BUT-- We have been doing this same shit for years and years and fucking years. There is nothing new to experience about biking up and down a lane, and because we already own most of these perfect pokemon IN A BANK WE CAN'T EVEN ACCESS, you have no right to tell people they haven't earned it. Because I'm sure 90% of us at least have at one point.

Why would you be so anal about not receiving something that saves hours of time, and that has 0 impact on anything at all?

I get it, if you're a fresh player then sure, I can understand how cheaters make you feel bad. But you have to understand that it's your autistic problem.

The only reason I myself don't inject is because honestly breeding and shit is so easy there is basically no point to it. In the time it takes for an injector to get to my request (if they even do at all), I can already have what I needed in probably a few minutes.

>using hacked dittos is cheating
it's actually really not.
the parents don't directly influence anything to do with the eggs. You can breed with a legit ditto and you wouldn't even know if the parent of the offspring was a hacked one or not. There is no memory of who the parent was, what their pid was, if they were shiny or not etc.

>>30888276
>redditard thinks replies are upboats

30888390

(you)

>>30888276
What was accomplished in posting this

>>30888400
>redditard still thinks replies are upboats

>>30888369
Oh shit, really? I thought it was just in an obscure area or a really rare SOS call or something

>>30888415

(you)

>>30888419

Na. Though you'd figure since you can find Porygon-Z using the camera that you'd be able to catch him in the wild. But for whatever reason, no.

>>30888299
by entering a competition you agree to a set of rules, and by using a tool to modify your game you are breaking those rules

>but I dont care
>I dont like the rules
>I wont be caught!
So? that isnt logical behavior, it's the literal opposite. You think you are so entitled to play the game you wont follow the appropiate steps to play it competitively.

>>30888135
Not the guy you responded to but I guess it's because on cart battles are just more pleasing to look at. I mostly only inject for battle tree and such and occasionally send good shit onto wondertrade.

>>30888376

I agree that injecting is fine and breeding is shit but your point about hacked dittos is fucking stupid.

Using hacked dittos at all is cheating. Cheat if you're going to cheat, idgaf but stop pretending that the babies you got by hacking in perfect 6IV parents are any more "legit" than the 6IV parents themselves. It makes absolutely no difference of course, there is no erroneous string of code marking them as different, but you're kidding yourself if you think hacking in the tools you need to breed doesn't make your babies cheated too.

>>30886322
Tbh doing all the technical stuff is why I don't inject, I'm not gonna read that boring shit.

>>30888376
>breeding is so easy if you have 6 IV Japanese dittos
oh my! So breeding is really THAT easy huh?

>>30888464
you do realize gamfreak only puts the "no hacking" rule there because they basically have to right? If they cared they would actually enforce it. "No injecting" is basically one of those wacky old timey laws

>>30885916
Because I want to get to the actual competitive part instead of riding a tauros around for hours on end to autistically hatch eggs

>>30887748
Olympians who don't have time for training shouldn't be disadvantaged.
Therefore, Olympians should genetically created and come out of the womb as a fully developed athlete.

>>30888561
the rule exists anon, you have to follow it.

>>30888632

Gamefreak disagrees.

>>30888609
except how hard you train actually has an impact on the competition. How hard you train basically determines the outcome directly. The competition IS the training. In pokemon there's no reward for breeding harder. You can breed all you want actually and it won't make you any better at the game. Breeding is not the game

>>30888440
Holy fuck, I'm watching Verlisify's video right now and what an idiot

Honestly, who gives a shit. If we're in VGC, I'm not gonna give a shit what Ball your Pokemon is in. All I care is, can I still win? Obviously, if it got this far in, it must have legal moves and stats

>>30888632
and sodomy laws also exist. Too bad they're virtually impossible to enforce, are victim less and are retarded.

>>30888500

Versilify pls

>>30888664
the reward is having perfect pokemon
>but i can inject them
you can alter olympians genetically too, it's still wrong.

also, the competition isnt the training, rather, the training affects the competition.

>>30888707
cool, now show me why no hacking rules are unjust without saying you dont like them or make you invest time in a game.

>>30887933
Just inject it bro

>>30885489

i'm pro-natty breeding but you're fucking joking if you expect me to buy ORAS just to get move tutor shit

i'm probably going to learn2inject once bank comes out just to get charizards and shit

>>30888770
no the reward is having standard pokemon. You can not ever breed a pokemon better than someone else's at the competition. An olympian can train harder than everyone else and actually be stronger and faster. That's how you win a physical competition, by training harder than everyone else. Pokemon is not a physical competition.

>>30887933

surskit bro

>>30888698

it's sad because the guy that used it basically got guilt tripped into disqualifying himself because his opponent and onlookers threw autistic fits about it. The current story his "friend" injected it for him and threw it in a Beast Ball for cosmetic purposes without realizing you can't get one in the wild.

>>30885489
you've wasted who knows how many hours on running around in a circle you have to convince yourself it was worth it

I'm not sure if it's sunkcost or more akin post-purchase facally. I mean go ahead and enjoy it but don't try to fool anyone that spinning the circle pad mindlessly for hours was enjoyable

>>30888801
because injecting does not effect the competition at all. The competition is not "who can breed the best pokemon". The competition is who can design the best team and pilot it efficiently.

>>30888770
It affects the competition by putting you at a disadvantage if you insist on breeding everything, yes.

DUDE JUST SPEND YOUR ENTIRE WEEK 6+ HOURS A DAY BREEDING AND GRINDING FOR A PERFECT TEAM LMAO

>>30888195
I thought Pimpnite did the shitmon sweeps

As someone who likes playing with the RNG with breeding, I have no problem with hacks themselves, if you want to save time more power to you. Just don't force your way onto another person. The same goes with the breedfags who spazz out about every little hack. It's not affecting the way you play at all, it just saves time.

>>30888376
You can be ok with injectors but they are still cheating. If it was ok to just manufacture the perfect stat Pokemon it would be a built in feature to the game for you to just adjust the settings and roll perfect distribution Pokemon off the assembly line. Instead it is the effort you put into making the Pokemon that results in the fruit of the players labor.

A much better way to think about it is things like Magic the Gathering. Six months ago people paid well over a hundred bucks to get a flip planeswalker Jace (planeswalkers are really powerful cards). People would open packs of cards to hope to get one, trade their friends, or buy them single from the shop. What isn't acceptable is printing off a picture and claiming it to be the real card. Fast forward to today, the card has cycled out of standard and isn't legal in that format, so we cycle into the newest set, not be little bitches about not being able to use that card, and if you want use it in other formats.

Going forward, if Pokemon wants to be taken seriously in the competitive scene they need to adopt a system similar. The system will make competitive battles mean more, and having that Pokemon that is perfect mean something. Injectors are cancer and need to get over the fact that maybe their old Pokemon are retired, and the new standard doesn't include them.

>>30888819
>You can not ever breed a pokemon better than someone else's at the competition.
you literally can, that's why IVs exist, to make pokemon better than other pokemon. Someone who invests time to breed a HP Ice Salazzle and then Hypertrain it will have a better pokemon than a player that just bred a 5 IV Salazzle with a 24 IV in Attack.
>>30888860
The competition is bringing 6 pokemon to beat other players. The only way to get pokemon without breaking the rules in the game is by catching, breeding or trading. Therefore breeding affects the competition by being one of the three ways to get pokemon in the first place.
>>30888869
I agree, that's why everyone saying hacking doesnt give an advantage is delusional.

>>30888473
Honestly a waste of money but eh
On the other hand, I love Wonder Trade injectors. My friend was so happy when he got a perfect level 100 shiny Bruxish, and I love when people do giveaways to give people that feeling. On the other hand, that's why I love breeding. Trading out the breedjects gives people the chance to breed their own good Pokemon from them. Hell, that's how I usually start when I decide to breed a Pokemon.

>>30888599
So you want to play in the super bowl but not practice in the summer heat dry heaving since you were twelve. You want he candy but you did nothing to deserve it. Way to go.

>>30889038
You know that special attackers want lower attack IVs, right?

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>>30885489
Are you okay anon? Did you want me to inject something for you?

>>30889038
no you literally can not make a pokemon objectively better than someone else's. An alakazam with 252/252 with 5iv's will always be the exact same and there is no reason to ever use anything else when using that set. EVERY alakazam at the competition will use that statline unless it's a compeltely different set. No amount of breeding will give you a pokemon with better stats than someone else

>>30888744
No. I'm not the other guy, but breeding injected Pokemon is the most useless thing. If you could just inject it, why would you breed from injected parents? That's like actually breeding a perfect Pokemon and then breeding again for another. Shit's dumb lol

>>30889038
if you're gonna waste time breeding why wouldn't you get the 6iv pokemon?

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Guys, why aren't we hacking in a mega fug with 800 in every stat and let him use a z-crystal?
Then fill the team up with him and let him bypass the "only one mega allowed" rule?

>>30889154

because you cant get that in the game by normal means

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>I wonder trade almost perfect IV injected mons
>I know some moralfag will get my mon and use it to breed a better one
>mfw I made him cheat

>>30889154
10/10 bait. Good job

>>30889154
Make sure to put him in a Beast Ball

>>30889154
Because that's not allowed in tournaments. The point is to still be within what's legal.

>>30888664
You do know that Olympians don't just practise whatever sport they do right?

>"I only do 100m sprints, therefore my training regime only consists of me doing 100m sprints for 8 hours, 7 days a week."

No, they have to do all sorts of training regimes, and specific dietary requirements they must adhere to. Olympians who don't eat well will suffer on the day, but the ability to eat well is not the point of the competition. Just like your parallel to breeding.

The parallel would be
100m sprint = Pokemon Battle
Training for 100m = EV Training
Specific Diet to Help = Breeding

All these things are important for an athlete and the ability for an athlete to disregard the training and/or dietary requirements would be completely cheating because at this point, you didn't get to where you are by training and your own hardwork, but because you were unnaturally created.

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>>30889195

>>30889180
Holy shit no one would know that's perfect

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>>30889180
>Mfw I wonder traded my breedjects
>mfw I bred them using a hacked 6 IV Ditto

>>30889186
Good idea
>>30889188
Why don't we just change the point then?

>>30889195
You mean if I EV train harder than other EV trainers I can be better?

>>30889195
I've destroyed your Olympian argument 3 times now but you're REALLY determined to make this parallel work even though it doesn't.

If what you were saying is true then every single pokemon tournament would end in a 64 way tie because every single person has perfect ev training and perfect breeding. Someone who breeds for a week and ev trains for a week still has the exact same team as someone who was breeding for half that amount of time. Breeding and ev training is literally just a race to get perfect. It has zero impact on the actual race.

Please stop trying to use this shitty metaphor and come up with actual arguments

>>30889095
I do, that's why someone getting a high IV in Attack when breeding a Sp Attacker will have a worse pokemon than one who bred it to have a 0 IV in Attack. And it's pretty hard to get a 0 IV in Attack that you can only pray to RNGesus ot get one. That's why >>30889100 is wrong, since someone who has an Alakazam with a 0 IV in Attack will have a better pokemon than one who bred one with a 24 IV in Attack due to Foul Play.

>>30889249
Because you can't enter tournaments with illegal stats or movesets?

>>30889195

>Comparing Olypmic training to a children's game
>Implying Olympians don't cheat not only to win but to provide a better performance
>Implying that the only people who bitch about steroids in sports aren't anything but autistic moralfags, just a lot older than you

>>30889283
Anyone who actually goes to a competition is going to have a perfect spread you retard. You can not make something better than perfect. Yeah you can make something better than your shitty casual friends or better than shitheads at locals but a real tournament will have mons at an equal level to yours no matter how long you spend breeding

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>>30889312
Nintendo isn't letting us have much fun are they?

The root of the problem is that you've got virtual items with some semblance of value based upon their scarcity.
Yungoos have very little value, since it's encountered extremely often, whereas Necrozma is highly valued, since you only get one per game.
So there's a sort of rarity economy that allows trading to be fun and worthwhile.

By injecting you throw this idea of supply and demand to the wind. Why would an injector WANT anything? They can just inject it, so what's the point in trading?
Because of this, it drastically devalues the things they inject. An injected Necrozma is not nearly as valuable as a naturally-encountered Necrozma, because no matter how many times the Injected Necrozma is traded, the Injector can always have more. This is not a good thing.
It's like printing money. You're just going to tank the economy doing that.
Stop it.

The people in these threads sound exactly the same as people who aimbot and wallhack. I get that one is obviously more advantageous and unfair, but the justifications and tone are very similar.

>>30889324
only thing I disagree with you on is the steroids thing because steroids literally destroys your body and is pretty damn unhealthy. You shouldn't have to destroy your body to compete. Luckily injecting is kosher af

>>30888632
no, i dont, i can enter, and win with all injected mons.

>>30889266
you didnt destroy it, you just repeated your conclusion and bluntly stated the analogy doesnt work because it disproves your point.

>If what you were saying is true then every single pokemon tournament would end in a 64 way tie because every single person has perfect ev training and perfect breeding.
this is literally so retarded I cant take it seriously. Just because a competition depends on how you breed your pokemon doesnt mean it solely depends on how you breed them.

>>30889373
except people who inject don't trade much

they just inject what they want

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>>30889373
Pokemon is not an economy, it is a pet raising/ cock fighting sim.
And believe me if I could print money, I would.

>>30889254
So pretty much I just have to breed as hard as I can to have a clear advantage!!

>>30889385
I'll admit there's a fine line between aimbotting and injecting. But the line is there and is whenever you actually get an unfair advantage. Gamefreak makes sure you can't get a real unfair advantage though

>>30889373
Injectors don't really have any reason to trade, though.

Legit though, why not just play showdown? What's the benefit of playing a videogame in front of thousands of people if you have no work to show for it? Young kids will look up to you thinking that hard work went into training them. Hell, kids still believe that companionship is key!

And then I just realized, your /vp/. You don't care about the kids, the other fans, you just wanna abuse the game's system for bragging rights and reward money. You do that /vp/, it fits you. Just know the weight's on your shoulders, becausd strategy isn't all that made pokemon such a success. Just play chess like an adult.

>>30889417
the 100m is a raw test of athleticism anon. There is no skill involved beyond knowing running technique which every runner at the olympics knows how to do. Please stop being retarded because it hurts to bring myself down to this level

>>30889385

>justifications and tone are very similar

>Trying to explain to emotionally immature individuals that injecting is nothing more than a time saving measure and doesn't impact competitive performance
>"PFFFFFBT UR CHEATING AND ITS BAD"

The only thing that sounds similar is how upset actual children get over things they perceive as unfair.

>>30889458
Because showdown sucks.
The UI is worse the dwarf fortress, and the battle animations break any sense of immersion.

>>30889266
Not that anon, but while yes the "effort" put into training a range of numbers in a game doesn't change the outcome of the training if it was hard locked to harsh requirements then maybe it wouldn't be laughed at when it tries to be more competitive. It may make more diversity in teams, or get some of the cancerous people out if the competitions.

>>30889458
>you are only allowed to enjoy things in the same way I enjoy them
okay anon

>>30889342
>Anyone who actually goes to a competition is going to have a perfect spread you retard.
Will they? I thought few people actually had the time to breed a perfect pokemon, let alone a team of them. If someone is truly commited to making a perfect competitive team they must spend a lot of time playing the game. It's almost laughable that you think making those showdown sets in-cart is an easy to do task. It pretty much isnt.

>>30889385
Injecting does not correlate to how well someone performs in battles.

Whereas aimbots and wallhacks are basically using multiple Megas per battle or making Huge Power Mega Fugs.

>>30889417

>Olympic race
>One competitor trains day in and day out for event to maximize their potential
>Secret foreign scientists breed a competitor in a test tube to maximize their potential
>However, due to hard limitations on human biology, they can't create a competitor any more capable than competitor #1 who does it the old fashioned way
>Both race each other
>Outcome is determined by a millimeter of skill since neither goes in with an actual applicable advantage over the other

The only benefit the foreign country gets is that they can make an athlete much more rapidly than the first country - and the first country has nobody to blame but themselves for not being able to create at this rate. But nothing stops them from using traditionally born and bred athletes who again, have just as much of a chance against test tube competitors.

>>30889562
yes they will because anyone who takes the competition seriously will just get some autistic kid they know to breed mons for them if it really takes that long to make a perfect mon. Or they'll just do what 80% of vgc does and inject. Also every single one of you breedfags says "uh but breeding doesn't even take that long". Which one is it fag?

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>>30885916
thats the thing tho i didnt buy it

The people who like breeding are the kind of spastics that spend thousands of hours on MMOs and waste like 300 dollars on freemium games.

You're wasting your fucking time; it's not interesting or engaging gameplay to ride Tauros round and round and round. It's blatant skinner box manipulation.

>>30889579

The meta is balanced around the assumption that everybody going in has an optimal Pokemon. People with optimized teams demolish unpolished teams in online battles, regardless of their source.

>breeding everything again
No, thank you.

>>30889307
I'll report my concern to a judge of the event, standard protocol is to give you adequate time to find replacements (usually an hour), and give you a game loss, if they are confirmed fake and you refuse to get replacements you are issued a disqualification from the event. Don't play standard if you aren't going to have standard legal cards. Just like if you want to play Pokemon Sun and Moon then you need standard legal Pokemon, one of those requirements is that they are obtained legit.

kill all pokemon fans

>>30889669
I don't necessarily *like* breeding because of the tedium but I don't really like injecting because it's not convenient for me

I've been arguing in this thread for about an hour now

>>30889709
this desu

>>30889635
>Test Tube Athlete

Okay first of all what the fuck?! Even if you COULD do it, WHY?! That goes against so many boundaries of science and morality. Who has that desperate of a need to win?!

Stop making these fucking retarded threads every single day, jesus christ.

I've never actually gotten into competitive Pokemon, but I had planned on attempting it this generation. The idea of breeding pokes to my liking and competitive style seemed nice on paper, but in practice takes way too much time to be enjoyable.

If there was something to physically do while breeding, I wouldn't mind nearly as much. But as it stands, I really see no reason not to inject. Not that I even know how to, but just that it saves so much time and energy. So many things in Pokemon this generation have gone uncompleted for me because it's just so boring. Shiny chaining, making a living dex, breeding a competitive team; They all just take too much time for a near nonexistant reward. The real achievement would come in beating a lot of people online. And that just takes too long, in my mind. And with all this drama added to breeding vs injecting, I honestly see no reason not to just disregard the entire game and play on Showdown instead. It's so much easier.

>>30889671
Yes, optimal Pokemon play a role in how well you'll do in battle.
But a person with a Sub-Optimal team who makes optimal plays can beat those with Optimal teams who make Sub-Optimal plays.

Skill in the meta is determined by strategy as much as whether they have 31 IVs in a certain stat.

>>30889485
Well, both sides could be considered correct. People just have different morals and standards, so it isn't even worth discussing.

I'm too lazy to inject, but I like getting cool, injected stuff from giveaways. How is that not cool that someone is doing that for everybody? 6IV Ditto are much appreciated too. It's a little too much for me personally when I see someone with a team full of shinies though, it just looks retarded and boisterously illegitimate.

>>30886736
this. if they give me a legit RNG I'll play legit.

>>30889733
>hat goes against so many boundaries of science and morality. Who has that desperate of a need to win?!

That's irrelevant.
They were using test-tube babies as an analogy.

What? Do you have some sort of sentimentality or morality complex towards modified 1s and 0s made to look like pixelated creatures behind a screen?

>>30889781
this doesn't change how the game is balanced. Yes a person with a suboptimal mon can still win but it objectively requires more skill than if their mon was optimal. If this wasn't then case then everybody would just use whatever. Please stop using the "a skilled roy can beat any marth" argument

>>30889635
>The only benefit the foreign country gets is that they can make an athlete much more rapidly
This is outright false, it doesnt matter how much the athlete trains, it will never achieve perfection because it's stuck with its inferior qualities. What youre saying is equivalent to "a 5 foot Asian male can play basketball as well as 6 foot genetically modified monster that has knows all technique out of the womb

>>30889838
Yes, because i'm not a husk that feels they need to make themselves impenetrable to emotional response from the simplest joys in life that casually remove me from the crushing pain of reality. Otherwise i wouldn't be in a 2 year relationship with the both of us enjoying and training together on pokemon.

>>30889978

>I have a girlfriend I totally didn't make up that validates my attempt at moral highground

Is this reddit?

>>30889838
It isnt irrelevant because cheating at a game is primarily a ethical issue. If there is something wrong with eugenics then an analogy can be made with pokemon.

>>30889968

>the metaphor
-----------------
>your head

>>30889968
It was an analogy, albeit not a perfect one.

Yes, human beings have imperfections.
But with Pokemon you're basically breeding human athletes until you get a perfect baby and throw away the rest of the 40+ babies into a Daycare where you'll never see them again.

In Pokemon you can breed a 6 foot monster with perfect genes that are equivalent to the 6 foot injected monster. That only difference is that breeding takes time.

>>30889720
how is injecting not convenient

I genuinely don't understand it takes like ten minutes to make a perfect team of whatever you want

>>30889978
holy totally irrelevant and made up batman

>>30890032
Yeah, I guess you had no actual material to counter with, so I thought I'd throw you a bone.

>>30890033

>ethical issue

In what way? Competition is a universal concept in nature. Arbitrary rules about how to achieve results is at best, contextual on culture and outright subject to change. It represents an ideology pandering to the weakest link to give the illusion of "fairness". In reality, your "ethics" are ephemeral when you take into account that most public events are either fixed or designed exclusively to pander to an elite group. The childish definition of fairness that says I have to do something the same way as you is nothing more than selfishness given validation through some made-up "code". At the end of the day, there is no active advantage outside of being a time saving measure at play with injecting.

>>30890033
Then breeding for the perfect Pokemon is basically eugenics.

If injecting is so morally gray, then so is breeding. Why not just use the Starter you picked ingame?
You won't because you consider your Starter sub-optimal because of its BST, Nature, EV Spread, etc. etc.

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>>30890147

>material to counter with

>Your entire last two posts were screaming about "muh morals" with zero actual arguments

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>>30890147
>Okay first of all what the fuck?! Even if you COULD do it, WHY?! That goes against so many boundaries of science and morality. Who has that desperate of a need to win?!
>Yes, because i'm not a husk that feels they need to make themselves impenetrable to emotional response from the simplest joys in life that casually remove me from the crushing pain of reality. Otherwise i wouldn't be in a 2 year relationship with the both of us enjoying and training together on pokemon.

You're the person who had no actual material to counter with. How the fuck do the arguments above contain any relevancy to the topic in this thread?

>>30889720
then you are excused and as an injector id be happy to help you at anytime. People like you are why i wonder trade 6iv dittos while bored

>2016
>people still think missing a few IV's will make a difference outside of the mirror match

Wew lad. VGC fags are ruining the game more and more every year.

>>30890184
>>30890251
I wasn't even arguing. I was just stating my opinion on shit.

>>30890127
For me specifically.

First, I have to have a downgraded 3DS which I don't have, and to do that I have to get another 3DS and then I have to download other programs then I have to read a guide and ugh, it's too much for me

For me, breeding is

>Put these two in the day care
>Pick the one with best stats
>Put it in the day care
>Pick the one with the best stats
>Go kill Pokemon to make mine stronger

Rinse and repeat. Sure it's time consuming but it's straightforward. And again, I'm not bashing or anything, I just find it easier this way

>>30890256
>>30890340
Yeah, that's what I use. I'm not exactly free from injections, I'm just not using it outside of it

>>30890287
If you stopped after the Olympian argument and failed to refute the test-tube baby argument but instead talking about "muh opinions and morality" then stop adding irrelevant shit or stop replying to the argument chain.

>>30890340
you could

>get a job a walmart
>work for less than a week
>buy a hacked 3ds

would save you a ton of time, breeding is so inconvenient

>>30890079
While it is theoretically possible, the odds are so low that the fact is nobody without that amount of time will invest themselves in getting the equivalent to the injected mon. That's the biggest advantage the injector outside of time, that it can easily get virtually impossible pokemon that the legitimate player cant get easily.

And that's it, you are deliberately breaking a rule to get an advantage at something, and that makes it cheating. There is literally no point in discussing whether it is or not.

>>30890394
>>get a job a walmart
>>work for less than a week

I know you're an idiot but that's not how employment works.

>>30890394
Are you seriously suggesting I spend $200 on a new 3ds so I can save 1 hour breeding a Pokemon?

>>30890377
Or, I could choose not to do that, because I don't want to...

>>30890680

That is literally a child's reasoning. You are mentally disabled.

The 'athlete' comparison is fucking retarded. When you gen you generate the same code as if you were to spend man hours. There is NO advantage in gameplay over either during pokemon battles. It's the EXACT SAME CODE. The only difference is input. Your input. Your man hours. Your wasting your life to get the same result.

You're a fucking idiot, in short.

>>30890791
No it isnt, it's the same thing i.e. getting a trained individual in a short amount of time. Time is a big advantage, and when it is obtained using third party tools it's cheating.

>>30890839
Cheating offline?!?!? Who am I cheating against?

>>30890884
>?!?!?
This looks like a false flag to me.

>>30890839
>Time is a big advantage
Says who? The end result, the Pokemon is the EXACT SAME.

>>30890895
Thanks for answering.

>>30890839

How is obtain time a factor when the only actual variables in battling are pokemon attributes and player skill?

i'm convinced all the anti-injectors are autistic children mad that injectors don't have to put in a lot of effort to play online, and even more mad that they are too dumb to mod their 3ds

believe it or not most of the adult injectors have jobs and are not able to devote as much autism into pokemon as all you are able to

>>30890975
>autistic
The real autists are the ones injeting because they MUST play with min-maxed Pokemon.

>>30890989
Is this bait?

>>30890989
reminder that karenfags have no business in a competitive discussion

>>30890989
found the autistic manchild

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You can cry all you want about "muh morals" with it, at the end of the day I'll be able to enter any tournament with them and play online with them just fine. If it makes you feel better maybe all of us injectors can lie about it for you and say we were super hardcore too and rode back and forth on the same path for forty minutes until we got the IVs we wanted from an egg. Now now children, let's not throw temper tantrums just because the other kids have something you don't.

>>30891038
I'm not the one cheating on a game made for children.

Guess you really need those perfect Pokemon to beat 13 year old girls.

>>30889701

>comparing counterfeit cards to injected mons

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck what proof are you presenting that it isn't a duck? if i showed you two pokemon with the same moves, stats, nature, E/IVs, point of origin, etc and for the sake of this experiment lets say they are in different pokeballs and they are pokemon that can found in the wild and have genders. can you tell which one was injected? can you tell without knowing the parent if it came from a 6IV Ditto? what if they both are? r neither? the point is YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE unless the cheater is an oblivious fool like beast ball porygon man.

>injecting/breeding instead of using showdown

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There's honestly something I don't get : why is Destiny Knot, one of the key items to begin breeding an efficient team, locked behind a mode that will tear you a new asshole without a good team? And at 48BP, of all numbers?
Did they also think locking Super Training at lvl100 when you have no good spot to grind past lvl60 was a fun and pleasant idea?
Why is GF such a bunch of fuckwits about this?

>>30891258
>YWN watch a slice of life anime where Goku does stupid shit all the time

Anyways, you can get a Destiny Knot through Pick-Up. I have no idea the chances, but I know you can

>DUDE BREEDING IS EASY YOU JUST HAVE TO USE HACKED PARENTS LMAO
>DUDE BREEDING ISN'T BORING JUST WATCH TV OR SOMETHING LMAO

breederfags are retards

>>30891304
That really doesn't make it any better, though. You basically need to build an entire team of Pick-Ups and grind the shit out of them hoping the RNG will not keep giving you Hyper Potions, it's a long and random process since the chances of getting a Destiny Knot only become doable when they start getting around ~lvl30. Also, you're definitely not gonna know that unless you're REALLY lucky or search this through google, so most people are just gonna find it on the Battle Royale / Battle Tree shops.

I don't really understand why *at least* the tools to begin breeding your team aren't easily available as soon as you start the post-game. Injecting would be a lot less limited if the normal process wasn't behind such arbitrary setbacks that are only there to annoy you.

>>30891104
I'm not the one spending hours playing a shit minigame made for children. Fantastic argument. You're also on a board specifically dedicated to that game so you can't even remotely use that without looking like a massive hypocrite. Stop posting

>>30891422
Pointing fingers isn't helping your case. I'm playing a children's game, you're cheating on a children's game.

The saddest part is that your autistic behaviour is ruining the game for the children and casuals who just want to have fun. You're like that guy that cheats on family games; nobody likes you because you're over-competitive and obnoxious, but people are too nice to say it.

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>>30891258
Honestly, I don't know. There's a lot of design choices in this gen that make it feel like they're just being petty about people complaining. Like we're just supposed to lap up their shit like it's the most delicious thing on earth and ask for more. Fuck you GameFreak, I don't care about your entitlement, yeah Pokemon is an incredibly successful franchise, cool. But you need to do your fucking and make the game _FUN instead of throwing out a half-baked cake and expecting people to think it's okay.

>Fucking injectors are all cheaters and should have to go through the same things I go through?
>Oh, this 6IV shiny foreign Ditto that skips out on half the work? I got it online! It's not cheating at all :)

>>30891556
Don't you know, anon? It's not cheating if you weren't the cheater who cheated it in.

>>30891556
I got my ditto and I know I'm cheating. I just like having to work for it a little ;)

>>30891556
Yeah, it's cheating, but i'm still putting in a little effort

>>30887790
Fucking dumbass. I bought the game so I can play however the fuck I want to play it.

>>30889180
>there are retards on /vp/ right now that believe "hacked" ancestry is somehow seen in code.

You can never get through with these people. They really think what they consider cheating is really black and white. They think using shortcut to cut tedious shit is somehow an advantage over doing it the longer way. They inject this moralfaggotry that since you didn't do GF's intended way, it's cheating plain and simple. Maybe better game design would be if you could just change IVs and Nature with a few button presses instead of grinding for hours. Retards would defend every decision of GF because they also believe more time invested=more satisfaction. Something about how our brains are wired. Or it could be that breedfags simply don't value their time as much and actually ENJOY breeding, which okay, autismo

People who legitimately breed suck at battling anyway.
Spend 6 hours on one Pokemon when need about a hundred for diversity in teams and battling.

>need to get specific Pokemon sets to be able to stand a chance to play the multiplayer
>Option one is two spends hundreds of hours breeding and training a team
>Option two is a few clicks to get your perfect team plus hundreds of other potential pokemon or sets
>Autists defend the first one thinking you need to earn your fun instead of having it

>>30891516
I'm sorry that me genning my mons for offline use ruins your fun. I bet you can't sleep knowing that I'm destroying the battle tree, and breeding with my 6iv ditto.

Gonna enjoy myself Zygarde Complete with Aura Break

Thy autism demands it, wouldn't do it if game freak didn't make Jigarude a mess in SM with different forms and making the 100% form locked behind some shit

>>30885489
do you have any better things to do rather than shit post same threads every day?

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>He doesn't breed his Pokémon and to have perfect stats, the most aesthetic ball and good egg moves before turning the egg shiny
>He doesn't hatch the perfectly legitimate Pokémon and raise it as his own
>He thinks hatching 4000 eggs is somehow more morally upright than just bending causality a little to tick off the shiny button on your already perfectly bred mons and being able to take them to VGC where they pass every hack check because they're legitimate


HUEHEHUE

how do i inject

>>30892688

I can appreciate that. For me, when I inject pokemon, I instantly get bored of the game and stop playing and don't battle. When I spend time creating a team to battle with, I am incentivized to use them and to battle and adapt the team.

>>30893665
This. This right here is the right choice people. Put in the effort to breed it, turn the unhatched egg shiny, and then train it regularly. There's no guilt involved, you raise a real Pokémon thats indiatuinguishable from any other Pokémon, and you save your self 300 hours of monotony.

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Reminder:
>inject for battle ready Pokemon
Good
>injecting to fill your dex or for shinies
Please apply a rope to your neck.

can someone hack me a 6iv modest celesteela

I put level 14 surskirt in an ultra ball
IGN: Moon

thx

>>30893803
luxury ball if possible btw

>>30893803
>>30893814
still waiting hack fags plz deliver

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>>30894347
>hack fags

Hmm...yeah no