>slow as fuck >shitty engine, can still be ran on gameboy

>>30854460
So is this what we're doomed to now? Shitposting because of that poll?

>>30854460

>half the items on the list are "slow" to make the list look bigger

Stay salty genfivers.

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>>30854473
it's not shitposting if it's true, friend

>>30854460
>gen 7
>most linear game in the entire series
>worst postgame
>no replayability because no one is gonna sit through all of those tutorials again
>easily the worst region, with like one notable area
>no national dex

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>>30854460
Maybe instead of shitposting all the time, we should focus on what we all have in common instead

>>30854460
While I agree Gen 7 is objectively the best Gen in the series, and Sun and Moon are the best games. That doesn't mean you gotta go shitting on people for having a different favorite. Would it be nice if they learned how to properly word out their opinions and not spew shit out their ass and blindly shit on S/M out of nostalgia, etc? Yes. But you gotta remember, /vp/ is filled with underage, Reddit, and just simple retards. Can't do much about it.

OP, my advice. Just hide their posts. Makes /vp/ a lot more enjoyable.

>>30854524
It's all the same fucking game
you're playing Pokemon for crying out loud, I can't believe people are this smug about their favorite games. They all play the exact fucking same.

>>30854460
>shitty engine, can still be ran on gameboy advance emulators without much problems
Proof?

>>30854505
>gen 4
>most slow games in the entire series
>slowest postgame
>no replayability because no one is gonna sit through all of that slowness
>easily the worst region, with like one notable area

>>30854524
NO

>>30854505
>linear
Yeah, if you were retarded enough to just go straight to where the game told you to go, which is literally every game.

>worst post game
Bet you are one of those autists mad about no Battle Frontier in ORAS

>no replayability
Wrong. Plenty of people already play through it. Not GF's fault you suffer from severe ADHD.

>worst region
lol nice "argument"

>no national dex
irrelevant, and not really needed in any game. here's your (You)

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>>30854473
>>30854500
>"y-you're just baiting"

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>>30854460

>>30854460
You're confusing DP and Plat

Gen 4 was the peak for Legendary battle themes though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odvMnKBBI88

>>30854460
Genwunner nostalgiafag here, Platinum is my favorite game in the series. While I disagree with you, I can at least respect that you have a balanced approach instead of just totally shitting on it.

>>30854493
If it makes you feel better he could have added
>input lag in the underground
>no more saving your friend's bases or battling their trainer
>contests casualized
>BF was turned into the tower and 4 tower clones
>Spiritomb

>>30854669
Gen 3 had better music.
"muh trumpets" doesn't invalidate this

>>30854708
I liked the trumpets, ORAS messed RSE's music up.

I disagree about Gen 3 having better music than gen 4 though.

>>30854598
Why WOULDN'T anyone be mad about there being no battle frontier in ORAS? Do you not want more postgame?

Even if you didn't like the battle frontier, how can you sit by and not be angry that gamefreak even gave us an extra "fuck you" by having a model of the battle tower?

>>30854505
>most linear game in the entire series
the first island is pretty linear, I agree with you there, but from then on it ends. I spend more time walking around and filling out the Pokedex than I do on the story.

>worst postgame
fuck off with this shitty meme. this is the first time that filling out the dex was fun. also, it had a battle facility, just because it's bad doesn't mean it doesn't exist. D/P and R/S didn't have a big a postgame as S/M.

>no replayability because no one is gonna sit through all of those tutorials again
Im replaying it and having a lot of fun, and most of my friends are too. One is on his third playthrough, actually.

>easily the worst region, with like one notable area
the cities were all fun to explore, Poni Island was fun and unique. Explain how Alola is bad.

>no national dex
pretty sure this one is bait

>>30854669
>>30854708
No gen 5 had best music

>>30854737

Because they don't have crippling autism? Not everybody cares about Pokemon's particular brand of RNG cheating post-game battling. There is more to the game than the Battle Frontier/Maison/Tree/Subway, and yet you people lose your shit over it every single time as if it was the only reason you played the games to begin with.

>>30854732
I agree that ORAS fucked up. I disagree with your second opinion, but gen 4 still has pretty good music.

>>30854558
This!

We will never be able to change anyone's mind about their favorite game because its the definition of subjective. Let ppl like the games they like.

>>30854536
>Gen 7
>Best

A-anon..

>>30854766
Gen 5 had best town music, mediocre rival music, and mediocre champion music. Everything else was good.

>>30854669
Eh, 5 and 3 beat it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZSfaNYpE6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HUaLZyBNeY

>>30854809
>Gen 5 had best town music
>implying you remember any town them other than Nimbasa and Driftveil

>>30854614
lmao mad

>>30854785
>Let ppl like the games they like
We will have this freedom once again after the Unovabortions learn their place.

>>30854823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpQmvX7LYQY

>>30854822
Gen 5's soundtrack sounds like it was recorded for the Gameboy Pocket. Thanks, but no thanks.

Gen 3 is good though.

>>30854737
You know not everyone liked the Battle Frontier and when most of the people that do like it say they do, it's either the Battle Pyramid or Factory, literally nothing else.

>>30854809
>mediocre rival music, and mediocre champion music
That's if you only played BW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI2WzOONl7w
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHVAk2DjS8

5 had a magical soundtrack. You could hear the heart that was put into it.

>>30854823
I remember Opelucid, Nacrene, Castelia, and Village Bridge if it counts. Accumula as well.

>>30854834
And the Hoennbabies.
And the SinnohFetuses.
And the GenOners.
And the Johtobabies.
And whatever gen 7 lovers are.
And of all the vp in general.

>>30854892
>hoennbabies
pretty sure those are extinct

>>30854892
Alolasomes

>>30854892
Alolasomes
Also it's Johtoddlers

>>30854598
>not linear
No, there's not a single fucking thing off to the side in the entire fucking game. There's that cave, I guess, but besides that there's nothing

>no frontier in ORAS le xd mad
Of fucking course the lack of a postgame is detrimental to the game. I've already hung up Sun because there's nothing to fucking do in it. I'll pick it up again when Bank comes out, I guess.

>worst region not an argument
It was in the OP too, you spaz. Alola is incredibly forgettable, with not a single landmark that stood out in my mind. Sinnoh wasn't that great either, but damn it was better than Alola. Best region is still Unova or Johto, though. Nice and comfy.

>national dex not needed
what a shitty argument that you can apply to anything

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>>30854460
>playing battle frontier
>select "open level" instead of level 50 because I want to see what it does
>opponent has Chansey
>use focus blast
>decide to go back to school
>get a Bachelor's degree
>get a stable office job
>get married
>have 2 kids
>send them off to college
>come back to DS
>Chansey's HP still decreasing

>>30854999
>I've already hung up Sun because there's nothing to fucking do in it.
you've filled out the entire dex already? and played through the battle tree? impressive!

>national dex
I shouldn't even have to tell you why this isn't an argument.

>>30855066
Not him but sarcasm aside are you seriously trying to say that's adequate additional content for a Pokemon game?
Literally every game since Crystal has had that not to mention it's even easier to complete the dex this gen thanks to the Pelago liteerally giving you free mon

>>30855118
it's adequate because the dex is actually fun to fill out this time

>>30855008
>decide to go back to school

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>30855066
First off, nice dubs. We may be in the middle of a debate, but damn, we don't have to be savages.

Do you really fucking think that SM has anywhere near the amount of post game as Platinum? Boi, it's the fucking Battle Tree. It's a worse version of the PWT. Hell, ORAS has more post game than Sun.

And, the national dex, albeit not very important, is still part of the games. At the moment, we can't fucking catch them all, can we? No, we can't.

Also,
>He ignores the rest of my arguments because he has no rebuttal

>>30855176
How it any different from every other game in the series?

>>30855209
>Do you really fucking think that SM has anywhere near the amount of post game as Platinum?
no, Platinum is the third version. it's not fair to compare the two in terms of post-game, because adding post-game is one of the biggest parts of a third version. Same with ORAS.

>And, the national dex, albeit not very important, is still part of the games
I'm convinced you're meming here. do you REALLY need me to explain why there's no national dex?

>He ignores the rest of my arguments because he has no rebuttal
I agree with the ORAS point, and the thing about it being linear is more of personal opinion thing, because it's all based on how you play the game. S/M were the first games where I enjoyed walking off the beaten path to explore, talk to NPCs, or fill out the dex.

>>30855231
3D, animations, the whole evolution lines being in the same page thing, and the fact that you get to see the dex entry when a Pokemon evolves. I know the first 2 were in X/Y, but S/M streamlined them a lot better.

>>30855333
>3D, animations, the whole evolution lines being in the same page thing, and the fact that you get to see the dex entry when a Pokemon evolves. I know the first 2 were in X/Y, but S/M streamlined them a lot better.
So it's not different at all.

>>30855368
>So it's not different at all.
what did he mean by this

>>30854911
>>30854912
>Alolovaries
Gen 6 is Kalosomes

>>30855398
gen 6 is kalosperms, silly!

>>30855333
Well, first off these numbers are fucking fantastic and they make a very compelling case.

>Third version
I mean, fair enough about Platinum, but ORAS didn't have any of Emerald's postgame, it had just as much as the originals.

>National Dex
I mean, I'm not saying it's a huge part of the game but I can't imagine why there would be a reason they would need to remove it

>Linear
This is fair, but they're still the most linear of the series. Platinum was just as enticing to me to walk around and explore, especially with how deep the Sinnoh lore is in comparison to all of the other games in the series.

>The Filling of The Dex
That doesn't mean a lot to me, but I see where you're coming from with it.

>>30855436
then what postgame did ORAS have?

also, because you're being /kind/, I'll tell you about the whole national dex thing.

the national dex is coming, they're waiting for the release of Pokebank. there's no reason for them to make a national dex if the only available region is Alola, right?

>>30855398
Genwunners
Johtoddlers
Hoennbabbies
Sinnohfetuses
Unovabortions
Kalosperms
Alolabortions

>faggots are still bullying muh battle frontier fags

Why the fuck should I be a faggot for liking the best post game content that this franchise had to offer? ORAS sucked because it had no battle frontier and also because of shitloads of other things, but that fact alone made me delete the game right after I ended that rayquaza fetch quest
Why the fuck should I appreciate the lack of content?

>>30855525
>Unovabortions
>Alolabortions
Make up your mind

>>30855546
was I the only one who liked the PWT better than the frontier?

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>>30855555
>wasted

>>30855516
Since I'm assuming that the Delta Episode and UBs don't count since they're morel like extensions of the story, ORAS had the Battle Maison, as well as being able to interact with a bunch of people postgame as they went off and did random shit. It's not much, but it's something.

The dex thing is a good point but they've never once patched content into these games so I don't have hope. What's been when people inject old game mons into the game? Is there a dex entry or does the game just crash?

>>30855555
Alolasomes.

Blame a long day at work.

>>30855562
I don't get the appeal of PWT at all. I only did the tournament twice, it's literally always the same shit. It's literally a shorter battle tower reskin with not so random opponents. At least the remade RSE sprites were good I guess.

>>30855562
Yes

>>30855675
the appeal was more the fact that you got to fight gym leaders

>>30854460
gen 7
>most disgusting pokemon designs ever
>cutscene after cutscene
>colors made me want to throw up
>gen 7 has become gen furry
>cancerous antagonists
sun and moon was a mistake

>>30854460
>Cynthia is way harder and more overleveled than the E4
Fuck off underage, pokemon games used to be hard unlike gen 6/7

>>30856382
Just so you know there's a difference between being hard and being tedious.

>>30854460
>can still be ran on gba emulators
lol, no. There's literally not a single GBA Emulator that has DS Compatibility, NO$GBA being the only one that does have both systems in the same emulator, but most of the people hate it for being speed>accuracy compared to Desmume.

>>30854460
>Complains about Platinum being slow
>Proceeds to label Gen 7 as the master race even though it's even slower than Platinum

This is some shitty ass bait.

>>30856704
>even though it's even slower than Platinum
It has more cutscenes but it isn't as slow.
Granted it is slower than the two previous gens.

>>30854536
Ah, you must be from the Berenstain universe where Sun & Moon where actually good. Sorry anon, but here in the real world they're objectively not the best in the series.

>>30856723
No it's pretty fucking slow. The first 3 hours of the game is mostly text reading, the FPS is fucking shit. Hell, even the new Pokemon are slow as fuck. Good luck ever trying to run from a wild Kanto Pokemon.

>>30854460
Slow, shitty engine, uninspired story and bad distribution literally describes Gen 7

>>30856727
Just as gen 4 is objectively the worst in the series.

>>30854460
Nice bait thread

Alola is the 3ds's late Mistake similar to how Unova was the DS's late mistake.

My problem with Alola is as followed:

- Very Cutscene Heavy game (VERY)
- Lag in battlers where there are more than two pokemon on either side (SOS battles in particular)
- Annoying exclusive pokemon that can only be found through SOS
- Gross Wifi mode (PSS was definitely the best thing gen VI gave us and it was thrown away for this "Join Avenue" 2.0 crap).
-Absurd soft-ban if you get disconnected from a battle or trade whether is your fault or not.
- Very few new pokemon (which as a dex collector pissed me off)
- Story: Literally they should of given us the option to play as Lillie from the start. I mean, the fucking story is all about her and her family issues instead of your own story as a trial challenger.
- Some characters are complete shit (I.e. Lillie, and Hau) (Subjective)
- Aftergame (though not going to expand on it more since it has been one of the main topics on this thread).
- NPC's had as most as 2/3 pokemon in their fucking teams unlike previous games in which trainers would have a team depending on the class of trainers.

Things that i would of enjoyed if they were implemented on this game:

Make optional the pampering for new players. I mean, if you're making me choose my language at the start of the file, why can't it ask me: "Are you an experienced player?" in which if answered "yes" it would just completely skip the whole explanations of "How to catch a pokemon" and what a Pokemon Center is etc.

Motivate me to turn on the game after completing the dex. Battle tree is shit and there's no fucking way to rematch npc's. There's literally nothing interesting to do after the UB sidequest except for breeding and completing the Alolan (not national) dex of the game.

OP Is retarded about Platinum being shit but he's right about it being slow as hell. Go back and play any gen IV game, HGSS included, and you'll find the battles excruciating because of how slow they are.

>>30854460
so basically this entire post boils down to "it's slow" which is not a problem if you aren't an ADHD sperg
ok

>>30854460
Sinnoh is the last region that actually looks like a region and not my mom's circle with zero backtracking, forked paths and dead ends

Its also the last region with dedicated events for Mythicals.

>>30856803
>gen 7
>uninspired story
xd

>>30856760
its almost as if "slow" msotly refers to how slow the battles are... rly makes u think......

>>30856844
xd

>>30858834
the majority of the arguments are not about the slowness

>>30858916
backtracking is the exact opposite of what maps in JRPGs should be

>>30858362

>Alola is the 3ds's late Mistake similar to how Unova was the DS's late mistake.
except gen 5 was a lot better than gen 4, and gen 7 was a lot better than gen 6?

>Very Cutscene Heavy game (VERY)
this isn't an argument, there are plenty of amazing games filled with cutscenes. The Last Of Us for example.

>Lag in battlers where there are more than two pokemon on either side (SOS battles in particular)
valid point, although I think that can be attributed to the new effects/animation style

>Annoying exclusive pokemon that can only be found through SOS
eh. somewhat valid point, except imo it's better than having them just have a 5% encounter rate

>Gross Wifi mode (PSS was definitely the best thing gen VI gave us and it was thrown away for this "Join Avenue" 2.0 crap).
valid point

>Absurd soft-ban if you get disconnected from a battle or trade whether is your fault or not.
this is a nitpick. people shit on GF for allowing so many cheaters and time stallers, and then when they try and crack down on it, people whine.

>Very few new pokemon (which as a dex collector pissed me off)
the reason they did this is for longetivity. GF knows that they have to start slowing down the creation of new pokemon if they want to keep Pokemon lasting for another decade. not to mention, they did a lot of stuff with formes this gen, which are new designs that just dont count as new mons.

>Story: Literally they should of given us the option to play as Lillie from the start. I mean, the fucking story is all about her and her family issues instead of your own story as a trial challenger.
this is completely ridiculous. Lillie is a side character that doesn't even fucking battle, and the whole point of Pokemon is the journey to become the champion.

>Some characters are complete shit (I.e. Lillie, and Hau) (Subjective)
yes, it is subjective, because Lillie's writing and character design was fantastic, she went through a complete transformation through the story

>>30860424
(cont)

>Aftergame (though not going to expand on it more since it has been one of the main topics on this thread).
and my argument is that for the first games in a gen, (equivalent to R/S, D/P, or B/W), it shouldn't be expected to have an extensive postgame.

>NPC's had as most as 2/3 pokemon in their fucking teams unlike previous games in which trainers would have a team depending on the class of trainers.
you're saying that NPCs having bigger and diverse teams is a problem? you want to go back to X/Y, where every NPC had at most 2 mons, and gym leaders had 3?

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>>30854460
Sinoh is where my favorite Pokémon debuted in

>>30854999
>No, there's not a single fucking thing off to the side in the entire fucking game. There's that cave, I guess, but besides that there's nothing

Haha okay

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>>30854460
>can still be ran on gameboy advance emulators without much problems
Wait what?

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>>30854460
>be gen 7
>slow as fuck

>>30855562
No, PWT was my favourite post game. I don't care if its cosmetic, fighting old gym leaders and champs is way better than fighting 50 rounds of nameless nobodies.

>>30855555
>>30855525
its alolamoebas

>>30855008
>use focus blast
>it misses every time

>>30854460
>tfw actually like Sinnoh but fucking detest most of the new mons with the exception of Empoleon, Porygon-Z, and Garchomp
>can't play Sinnoh without using Pokesav to give me mons I actually like to use
This is the sole reason why I want remakes.

Best route theme coming through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ajhgkYFCG0

>slow as fuck....

it was a new engine for D/P, which had 30fps in overworld and in battles...
Platinum made it so that it was 30fps in overworld and 60fps in battles...
>slow....
sure....

>>30861384
After coming from gen 3 which was extremely fast in fucking everything it was a shocker.

>>30854473
>Sharing your opinion is shitposting.

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>>30855516
>there's no reason for them to make a national dex if the only available region is Alola, right?

Haha yeah, just like in any other previous gen where you also had to fucking pay for an app to obtain the national dex, right? hahaha

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>>30854460
>Saving a lot of data.

>can still be ran on gameboy advance emuators
Do your thing /vp/, turn this into a meme.

>>30854892
Kalosfag spotted

>>30860941
You don't like the new mons? IMO Sinnoh had some of the best, even if most of the cool ones are cross gen evos.
I like BW but to me Unova mons are the worst, and Hoenn mons are also worse than Sinnoh ones

>>30854598
>Yeah, if you were retarded enough to just go straight to where the game told you to go
There is literally no other option but to do this

>>30854536
>objectively the best
It's barely 4th best

>>30860074
>backtracking is the exact opposite of what maps in JRPGs should be
it always devolves to bringing up unrelated franchises.

>>30865275

I bet you didn't even battle the trial captains after their trials, or go back to explore the extra places available when you unlock certain ride pokemon, or go around and see whats happening with Team Skull in the post game

>>30865364
Oh certainly, the two places that opened up when I unlocked Machoke Shove were a delight. All it did was remind me how small Alola was as Heahea and Konikoni are literally 3 feet apart. The rest weren't much better. The surf locations were nice at least.

>postgame
you know we're talking about how linear the region is in the main game right? Of course the region opens up when the game is over, stupid

>>30865440

You acknowledged the surf locations at least (as well as the ones you unlock later with Sharpedo), but don't forget even on the first island theres a bunch of little places with Tauros. And then like I said, the trial captains and sleeping in everyone's beds.

>you know we're talking about how linear the region is in the main game right?

No, looking through the thread that distinction hasn't been made (and most games so far haven't had much extra exploration post game, though they have had better content as far as the Frontier and stuff like that goes). In any case, Alola really wasn't much more or less linear than most of the games in the series (barring things like GS where you could choose from three gym leaders to go after next at one point, which was pretty nice), I think people have just fooled themselves into thinking it is because theres always that little dot on the map saying where the next stop is.

>>30860424
>this isn't an argument, there are plenty of amazing games filled with cutscenes. The Last Of Us for example.
Last of us isn't cut-scenes for 10+ minutes of the beginning. You actually get to play the game when it starts

>>30867204
You've never played TLoU have you.

>>30854460
>my bro togekiss

you don't have to lie OP