>135 fucking Sp. Attack >120 speed >two useful abilities

>>30822008
>Considered a shitmon
But it's not.

>>30822008
It's more that Psychic has been cucked so hard by Game Freak as a type. It would still be relevant if not for that. Look at Gengar, even with the Levitate nerf it still sees use.

By stats alone Alakazam is still a fantastic Pokemon, but its typing is holding it back.

>>30822008
Game Freak tried really hard to nerf Psychic types.

>>30822008
Like other anons have said, it's the typing. If it was a Fairy it'd be top tier.

>>30822008
>A legendary dragon said to have fearsome powers with 170 base attack is not enough for OU
>3 dicks sticking out of dirts with base HP lower than a Pidgey is

>>30822013
If it's not OU it's a shitmon, apparently.

>>30822040
> tfw one of the early leaks had Alolan-Abra line who was a Fighting type.

Shiiet, imagine Fighting Alakazam, with his Atk and Sp.Atk swapped. Or even a special fighting type. Holy shit that would have been awesome.

> Nunchuck spoons

>>30822079
he could have had spoonchucks!

>>30822008
>huge coverage
This hasn't been true since gen 3. Anything that has to rely on Not-so-Focused Miss is sorely lacking in coverage.

It's not only the type, but that's a big reason. The other is that Alakazam is very frail, and having Dark as a weakness it becomes extremely vulnerable. Moves like Sucker Punch and Knock Off are everywhere.

>>30822076
This meme needs to die. Especially considering the state OU is in at the moment.

>>30822104
Focus Miss is so much bullshit. Aura Sphere has shit distribution too, fuck that.
Does Alakazam get Dazzling Gleam?

>>30822079
A special fighting Alakazam with Aura Sphere/Vacuum Wave and its current movepool would have been amazing. Guess they didn't want it to have a Mega and an Alolan form.

>>30822135
Surprisingly yes, GF actually remembered to give a decent attack for the first time since cucking it out of the punches

>>30822135
yes it does get gleam

>>30822127
Actually, I think only OU Pokemon should be considered not shit. Oh, you play Ubers? Wow, I can't believe you can stand playing with garbage.

I think the issue isn't that Alakazam is bad, it's that OU is highly specialized.

Everything in OU tends to do one or two things, but they do them extremely well. Someone listed out Dugtrio -- almost a shitmon, but that ability gives it a unique niche.

And, one of the best specially-based cleaners in the game is Alakazam...'s mega. It's not the fact Alakazam is bad, it's the fact its mega gets more usage, and the way tiering works, that means Zam becomes UU (same thing is happening to Scizor)

>>30822162
I remember people last gen saying MegaZam wasn't worth using over LO/Sash Zam
What happened?

>>30822180
It's one of the only good/not banned megas available. That's why Mega-Scizor is so high.

>>30822151
>>30822153
Well that's good. I guess running it with Psychic, Dazzling, Shadow Ball and whatever gives it decent coverage.

>>30822180
Huge buff in changed mega evolution mechanics, so now it gets base 150 SpA off the bat.
This means that it never has to run protect, and can mega on the turn it revenge kills several key threats like SS Kingdra.

Furthermore, Tapu Lele provides awesome support that boosts Psychic to disgusting levels and makes it immune to priority.

And, it also lost a key check in Talonflame, and decreased Pursuit T-Tar usage (for now) is also good

>>30822161
I sincerely hope this is sarcasm considering OU is essentially users lite at the moment.

File: mega_beedrill___twineedle_by_ishmam-d83mac3[1].png (801KB, 1600x1000px) Image search: [Google]

801KB, 1600x1000px

>>30822200
>Huge buff in changed mega evolution mechanics
> this buff made Mega Beedrill fucking good
> Oh wait just kidding, it's not in this game. hahaha

WHY GAME FREAK

>>30822180

It gets the speed boost from mega evolving instantly so Modest is potentially viable and it gets Lele support. Also less competition for the mega slot.

File: alakazam lite.png (44KB, 250x250px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 250x250px

>>30822008
>Leave RU to me!

>>30822299
I don't care if it's good or not, Flame Orb Psycho Shift Sigilyph is fun as fuck to use.

>>30822074
>3 dicks sticking out of dirts with base HP lower than a Pidgey is
who?

>>30822367
trio trio trio trio

>>30822367
Anon, I think he is joking about Pokémon with 50 HP or lower like Mega Sableye and Toxapex.
Is Dugtrio

Skipped gen VI, playing Moon now. Can somebody explain how exactly mega mechanics was buffed?

>>30823405
beedrills base speed is 75
mega beedrill base speed is 145
if beedrill is sent out against a base 100 mon and megas, in VI it loses the speed check in VII it wins because megas now grant stat boosts immediately

File: tumblr_inline_nxgxfpo9e41qlrc9h_540.png (141KB, 490x490px) Image search: [Google]

141KB, 490x490px

>>30822008
hes better then gengar

i also learned i have no abra line pics so have a boss bird

>>30822008
>smogon teir system means anything if half the roster is banned

because muh sucker punch

>>30822020
Y'all keep saying it yet psychic typed Pokémon have consistently been in overused through all generations. You can stop now

>>30822008
steel types are ubiquitous and the best defensive type
dark type moves are very common
so are bug type moves; they got a huge power boost too
it's no longer the RBY days where the only thing that could wall this thing was chansey (and perhaps also snorlax, slowbro and exeggutor)

>>30823628

Psychic type was objectively the best type in Gen I, so they made Dark type in Gen II to nerf it. Then they got cocky and mistakenly thought Dragon type was overpowered despite the fact that the only reason it was strong was because they kept giving it to huge BST pesudo legendary Pokemon inflating it's power, so they nerfed it with the single most overpowered type ever introduced in the entire franchise: Fairy.

Fairy, as a type, is broken. Give it to ANY shitmon with pitiful BST and it instantly becomes OU tier just for being fucking Fairy.

>>30822079
could have been my favorite alolan forma, rip in piece

>>30823665
Name one pokemon. Protip azumarill doesnt count

>>30823747

Dedenne.

>>30823665
That's cool and all but it doesn't mean psychic is bad when it always has representatives on over used

>>30822008
Fake out and sucker punch, pure psychic is shit

>>30823755
dedene is a literal shitmon tho. and it was always a fairy type

Dies in a U turn-pursuit


There are more eeliable special sweepers

>>30823747
Mawile
:^)
For real though, Clefable

>>30823859
I'll give you clefable. But in al fairness it went from one of the shittiest typings to fairy

>>30823665
Psychic was only OP in gen1 because gen1 was incomplete and glitch-ridden at release. Ghost was intended to be 2x vs Psychic, but was instead programmed as no effect, and Bug was also 2x, but didn't have any real moves to take advantage of that fact. Add that to the fact that Special was used for both offense and defense, and it makes for an OP type.

Psychic was cucked unnecessarily roughly from Gen1 to Gen2 by the following factors:
- Dark type being immune
- Steel being resistant
- Ghost being 2x as it was supposed to be
- Bug gaining useful attack moves
- Addition of Special Defense as a stat

Dragons really didn't have as much of a nerf as they could've, but needed something to counter them as they started to get OP by losing Ice weaknesses and being able to defend against Ice in general.

>>30823789

Exactly. Take a shitmon, slap Fairy on it, and BAM suddenly it's a powerhouse.

>>30824069
Isnt dragon still weak to ice

>>30824134
They are

>>30822008
Mimikyu happened

>>30823665
Yeah, Granbull is such a good pokémon now

>>30822008
Suckerpunch.

>>30823665

Unfucking the Ghost and Bug types and introducing Steel would have been enough. I still think that Ghost should have been combined into the Dark type instead of having them separate.

>>30824091
Wigglytuff, Mr. Mime and M-Audio are soooooooo powerful and OU.

>>30824069
It's not like Ghost would have done shit without bugs

At the moment, the only Ghost Attack without fixed damage was Lick that took from the Physical pool

Bug was exactly the same: it only had 2 worth it attacks

Twineedle (stuck in the worthless Beedrill) and Pin Missile (only other user was Jolteon)

Psychic wasn't unneccesarily cucked. Psychic was retarded as fuck first gen.

>>30824069

Bug gaining useful attack moves, and useful mons. All the genwun bugs are total garbage even with the newer moves.

Also let's not forget:
>The types that were supposed to counter Psychic were weak against it because lol dual typed with Poison

>>30822180
In addition to all that has been said, Tracing Beast Boost is hilarious.

>>30824515

I could swear twineedle was Normal type in gen 1

>>30824550
nah, it was always Bug-Type but hit like a wet noodle. The only reason Pin Missile was (and is) a thing for Jolteon is because of his high speed tier making it crit often.

>>30824550
You may be thinking of Gust. Or Karate Chop. Or Bite.

>>30822008

Priority and steel have cucked alakazam for 5 generations now. Knock off buff last gen didn't help.

Maybe psychic terrain will help a bit though

>>30824515

Came here to post this. I wanted something to beat my friend's Mewtwo when I was a kid, so I used Pin Missile Jolteon. Boy, that didn't work. Should've used Wrap Dragonite.

How the fuck did GF even ship RBY? It was a buggy, imbalanced mess.

>>30823628
The fact that a 700 BST Psychicmon with a great ability and stat spread is only OU and not Uber says it all. Just about every dual-type Psychic would move up a tier if they lost their Psychic typing.

>>30822008
Mega is better.... duh. All the regular forms of mega get bumped down. Durrr

File: AAAAAAAAAA.jpg (10KB, 84x84px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 84x84px

THUNDERBOLT
W H E N

>>30822008
>huge coverage

retard. it's coverage is shit

File: garchomp-mega.jpg (28KB, 300x221px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 300x221px

>>30824736
>Implying

This thing is so much worse than base form it hurts

>>30824777
really the only one that didn't benefit from a mega
not that Anon and nice trips

File: heracross-mega.jpg (26KB, 222x320px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 222x320px

>>30824792

>>30824690
>700 BST Psychicmon with a great ability and stat spread is only OU
So Megas Lati@s and Metagross?
>Mega Latios
Is pure shit, LO Latios is better.
>Mega Latias
Aside from being able to run super bulky sets it doesn't do especially much that vanilla Latias doesn't do.
>Mega Metagross
Great speed but not amazing, great attack but not unstoppable, great bulk but not unbreakable, and not being able to boost both speed and offense at the same time (or just Attack by two stages at once) keeps it from going over the edge. Faces competition from Mega Scizor as a Bullet Punch spammer. SD or Shift Gear would probably break it completely in half.
>>30824792
Mega Latios is completely pointless, and Mega Tyranitar doesn't do much better than vanilla.

>>30824847
what? Mega Heracross is a retardedly good wallbreaker that hits much harder, so much that it's actually OU instead of UU like normal Heracross

>>30824847
How is Mega Heracross worse than Heracross? Heracross isn't anything to write home about in the first place and 185 BA+ Skill Link is nuts.

File: IMG_1347.png (121KB, 700x700px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 700x700px

>>30822008
In addition to Alakazam's nonexistent defenses, anything it can do Top Lel can do better.
Alakazam grew on me because we beat the E4 together. It's a shame my bro is useless unless you can secure OHKOs

>>30822135
Yet gleam a s shit, base 80 non stab fairy is piss weak even when coming from lo Alakazam.

Focus miss actually nets some key ohkos after rocks.

>>30824690
So now you're gonna act like over used isn't good and what every Pokémon would aspire to be competitively. You're a goal post moving joke

>>30822008
>Poochyena used Bite!

>>30823927
Gardevoir.

>>30823665
Fairy needs another weakness.
Either Ice, Ghost, or Normal.

>>30825014
252+ Atk Poochyena Bite vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Alakazam: 236-278 (94 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Bretty good

>>30825054
Rather than give Ice more on the offensive side, give it resistances. Seriously, fucking ANYTHING.

>>30824366
>Fairy with Intimidate
>Bad

>>30825054
Fairy is actually OK, it was meant as a stop to 5 dragons plus magnezone in Gen 5 and a nerf to u turn, the added fact that they found a way to buff steel an poison offensive presence with a single type is genius, especially when it makes sense lorewise.

Ice could use a resistance not called water, heath capacity fuck that notion silly. Probably ground or fairy resistance added to ice would actually make it decent.

>>30823747
Gardevoir

Togekiss

Whimiscott

>>30825054
How about Bug__

>>30825054
No

>>30825172
Whimsicott was always good dude, Gardevoir got a fucking Mega with a lo boost on a spread move that could still use 1 turn trace.

Azumarrill finally got a secondary stab to use instead of return.

Bonus points, Clefable has the gen1 movepool syndrome, this thing would gave been great on any type not called normal, rock, ice or bug.

>>30822219

They will surely release its mega stone in an event of some sort. For now I just injected it into my bag along with all the other mega stones

File: 1480739082933.gif (328KB, 500x375px) Image search: [Google]

328KB, 500x375px

>>30823747
>>30824507
>>30824366

>Gardevoir
>Clefable
>Klefki
>The Tapu
>Slyveon
>Mega Mawile
>Mimikyu
>Diancie
>Togekiss
>Xerneas
I can cherry pick too, but my basket is bigger. :^)

>>30825223
Normal non Mega Gard saw good usage in UU iirc

And you did know Clefable was RU in gen 5 right?

>>30825190
I would be ok with that.

>>30825326
Yes and I was a masochist that used seismic toss Clefable in gen4-5. I know that well.

But Clefable is one of those Pokémon that got everything they need except for a typing.

Think of shit like Tauros suddenly becoming dark type and keeping sheer force, find a way to give him crunch and see how the bull rises in ranks.

File: puella magi audino magica.png (773KB, 1280x1280px) Image search: [Google]

773KB, 1280x1280px

>>30824792
>let's remove this really good ability and give it an RNG based doubles gimmick instead
I guess it's still better than base form, but it could've been properly viable had it kept Regenerator.

>>30822140
>aura sphere
>not no guard focus blast

File: 1481869896305.jpg (113KB, 610x481px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 610x481px

>>30825277
>any shitmon can be ou with Fairy typing!
>list pokemon that either were introduced when/after fairy was or was already ou so there's no reference

The main problem with Psychic type is Pursuit. I assure you if there was a Pursuit clone of a different type then whatever is weak to that type would be way less viable.

And besides that Zam is made out of paper so he really needs to remove priority beforehand, hence why everyone uses Lele.

>>30826021
Doesn't change the fact that the majority of FE Fairy are really good pokemon just because they are Fairy type. In a pitiful attempt to balance out Dragons GF has just replaced it with Fairies.

>>30822008
Alakazam is not a shitmon you fucking retard.

Being Psychic and the U-turn and Volt Switch spam that the metagame has become doesn't help it out either.

>>30822367
Obviously Dugtrio.

File: alola-alakzam.jpg (161KB, 800x741px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 800x741px

>>30822079
Kek.

OU is just rejected Ubers

>>30826634
new stars leak

>>30823613
literally about 1% of Pokemon are banned from OU (not including legends)

git gud and fuck off

>>30826658
Not until Darkrai and Reshiram drops

File: 250px-386Deoxys.png (48KB, 250x250px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 250x250px

>Smogon's description trash talks it like no tomorrow, basically saying it's a useless shitty outclassed Pokemon
>still banned to Ubers

Why?

File: 1477545542474.jpg (66KB, 550x412px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 550x412px

>>30826634
>mfw this didn't happen

>>30831154
Because it's useless. It's only Uber because it's too much for OU, but it's outclassed in every other aspect by all of his other forms.

Deoxys-N should just have base 100 stats all across the board to give him a niche. Or keep the 50 HP and make all the other stats equal.

>>30823628
All good Psychic types are good in spite of their typing, never because of it.

Pokémon like Metagross, Slowbro and Mewtwo are all carried by any combination of amazing stats, movepools or abilities, but held back by their type. Psychic is truly a shit tier typing, worse than Ice.

>>30822219
they did this with a lot of mons that benefit from the new turn order. lopunny, diancie, banette

>>30829042
>shitrai's focus miss missed
wow I almost cared

>>30823665

>Then they got cocky and mistakenly thought Dragon type was overpowered despite the fact that the only reason it was strong was because they kept giving it to huge BST pesudo legendary Pokemon inflating it's power,

If the type has the strongest mons and nothing hinders it, the type is indeed the most powerful.

>Fairy the most broken

Steel is better, and only got better with the introduction of fairies.

Ground is also better, and Ground types has ruled the roost for a long time.

There were more psychics in OU at the end of ORAS than there were Fairies.

10 different steel types in OU.
7 Ground types
7 Water-types
6 dragons(7 counting Mega-Chomp)
4 fairy mons, and out of those, one is a mega and another is a Mega Legendary.

>>30824366
It's better than it used to be

>>30831154

Deoxys N is considered useless because A is a straight upgrade, there's no reason to use N over A. Doesn't mean N isn't too strong for OU.

>>30831289
Metagross being part Psychic became even worse when Steel was nerfed and takes neutral damage from Ghost and Dark now.

>>30831154
It's useless in Ubers, but it's still Ubers for a reason