Do you think this cunt will get banned? I mean fuck me this

What is it about Tapu Lele? I've hardly seen any of it. what are people running on it?

Probably will because smogon are too lazy to prep for certain mons and play around them. Of course there are counters to this thing but people struggle / dont want to use them so easy solution is to ban

>>30735843
pidgey used metal wing

>>30735893
What counters.

>>30735898
>metal wing

>>30735843
Just send in Bronzong lmao

But very likely yes, the OU Council has already been talking about it, but obviously their primary concerns are with the hounds set loose from Ubers since at least those mons are older and know what to expect from them should they continue to run amok. Tapu Lele still has freshness to it that may be shrouded by some tactic down the road (I doubt it, but it's possible).

>>30735843
probably
but then everyone will just use mew or musharna to set psychic terrain instead since its actually that good

>>30735893

Name 2.

>>30735892
They are either scarf or specs. If its scarf it outspeeds almost everything and near oneshots most mons

If its choice specs something is pretty much forced to die

>>30735843
>smogon

>>30735943
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 343-406 (99.7 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

>>30735993
He cant. Ive been running AV alolan muk just for this thing and he still gets fucked by moonblast

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>>30736038
>it's another "i don't know what counter means" episode

>>30736038
Ok so life orb fucking gengar is going to be outspeed and oneshot by literally anything lele uses

I mean dude you might as well just say >sneasel used metal claw!

>>30736038
Fucking retard, why do you insist on commenting when you don't know what we're talking about?

I don't know, I feel like Top Lel isn't have as annoying to deal with as the bamboo hoe.

every time I see her in the team preview I feel like quitting.

>He doesn't use Skarmory

>>30736120
Oh great, another clueless player. Have fun getting T-Bolted.

>>30736120
>skarmory
>not getting 2HKO'd
and that's just thanks to sturdy

>>30736038
lol

>>30736038
Above we see one of /vp/'s oldest memes. It can even be traced to proto-/vp/ pokemon general's in /v/. It used to run wild chasing after its natural prey, the first Garchomp ban. Truly amazing.

>>30736120
Lmao are you retarded? Skarmory would be two shot. Skarm cant even run leftovers at the moment because of everyone and their mom using magnezone

>>30736097
Does Lele not use specs? Gengar 130 base speed timid reaches 350. Lele is base 95 so its not getting close? Ive never used it but i didnt think it ran scarf, corrdct me if im wrong though
Not the same guy but dont know what you mean

Why is Tapu Lele so fucking sexy?

It HURTS my DICK

>>30736236
Most people run either specs or scarf. There's a few other meme sets, but those are the main two.

>>30736120
tapu beats skarm with thunderbolt or a steel trapper
Fuck I hate skarmory so much, damn thing does not need amazing typing and sturdy to survive anything, even the few moves that can deal with it

>>30736236
Most leles use scarf you dingus. I mean your saying that even with life orb its not even a certian ohko anyways unless rocks are up, so gengar has to go scarf and be even weaker. Add in that gengar isnt in the best place right now and at most you have a subpar "check"

>While we could be focusing on ban cases like this, the OU overlords waste our time fucking about with trying to get their favorite SMOGBUGGE out of Ubers so we can have the "all Genesect, all the time" meta for the umpteenth fucking time.

Don't even get me started on fucking Hoopa.

>>30736236
Scarf Lele is common. But more importantly Gengar cannot switch in on Lele. Something is not a counter unless it can switch in and kill. Otherwise it's just a check.

>>30736363
What skarm isnt running shed shell at the moment

>>30735843
steel types check it rather well, scarf hp fire is weak. It's like mega mawile where it will probably get banned because smogon doesn't like 50/50's.

>>30736368
Dude i said I'm not the same guy, chill. Not had the time i'd like to invest in sun and moon unfortunately due to exam pressure so still dont really know what most things do and where they stand

>>30736409
This is why im currently playing pre bank ou. Fuck genesect and genies. Top lel is really the only blantently OP mon atm in pre bank off the top of my head. Celesteela is annoying but i think shes managable, and toxapex is over rated as fuck

>>30735943
M-Metagross does a fine job for me

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>>30735843
People keep crying for Pheromosa and Celesteela bans but I think Lele is more ridiculous than either them. The scarf set especially is fucking unstoppable because "lol no priority".

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>>30736521
>tfw someone sends in phermosia after Lele

>>30736484
>stuttering in written text
>>>/a/

>>30736484
Good to see /vp/ still doesn't know what a counter is.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 266-314 (88.3 - 104.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

>>30736558
ehehehhehe good joke there anon

>>30736484
Metagross is not a counter dude come on.

>>30736038
>using Earthquake bait

>>30736473
I just don't get the process sometimes.

We're all ok with pretty circumstantial Pokes' like Blaziken being permanently Uber for the past 3-4 games with barely a revisit...

But every new game / balance update the council rolls out Genesect and the troublesome Genies like we don't all know exactly how insufferable the meta is going to be until they get shafted again.

It's like the thinly veiled attempts to try bring stall back into the dominant position in the meta - why won't they just let that shit die.

>>30736588
if you run specs tapu lele you're checked by over half the metagame and lose a shit-ton of momentum when you click the wrong move. He's clearly assuming his opponents to be good players and use scarf, in which case mega metagross is a good answer.

>>30736296
But dude...she's so fucking fat.

>>30736654
Scarf is actually worse for it since instead of having a chance to OHKO, it'll 2HKO on top of outspeeding.

>252 SpA Tapu Lele Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 162-192 (53.8 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>30736673
That's the point, anon.

the only cancerous genie is landorus. Other two are UU lol

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>>30736521
>>30736554
>the team has Pheromosa, Celesteela, and Tapu Lele
It's a guaranteed pain train

>>30735892
>Can't be reveng killed by priority
>Psychic and Psyshock get a boost boost from psychic terrain
>Close to having Mega Gardevoir's stats and can hold an item
>Allows teammates to get the same respective boosts from Psychic Terrain if they are grounded
>Fairy typing

>>30736558
kek

>>30736611
I misinterpreted as can kill

Can force the switch though

>>30736687
the tapu lele user has to lock into shadow ball though, if you mispredict and a pursuiter comes in then it's bye bye tapu lele. running shadow ball over hp fire or thunderbolt also leaves you walled by ferrothorn and celesteela.

Can Bulu counter Lele? or is it only a check?

>>30736702
*Tornadus is UU

Fixed, Thundurus is too cancer for UU.

>>30736038
A counter is something that has to reliably switch into all possible attacks the set of a Pokemon has. And we all know Gengar loses all his 9 lives from Psychic Terrain boosted Psyshock.

>>30736779
The thing is, you never know what moveset it's running. Maybe it wants to deal with Metagross. Or Ferrothorn. Maybe Celesteela. The only Pursuit strong enough to OHKO Lele guaranteed is CB Tyranitar, and that thing isn't all that common nowadays.

>>30736120
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 149-176 (44.6 - 52.6%) -- 83.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Nice counter.

>>30736588
It can force the switch assuming it's not locked into shadowball. And it's not like Specs or Scarf is going to switch into M-Metagross

It's a very reliable check at least

>>30735843
So are we forced to use Mew's Z move for Psychic terrain if Lele got banned?

>>30736881
And what skarm is even running leftpvers at the moment

>people actually running coverage on Tapu Lele
unless there's a dark type, just Psychic my shit up fampai

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>>30736939
ayy

>>30736795
pls respond

>>30736933
>And it's not like Specs or Scarf is going to switch into M-Metagross
It doesn't need to switch into M-Metagross, nor should it. Metagross is a good check, but it can't counter every Lele set, so it isn't a counter.

>>30737005
Good luck using them in OU with all the power creep running around.

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>>30737021
I don't understand??

>>30735843
Alolan Muk?

>>30737140
Grassy Terrain overrides Psychic Terrain, but who the fuck runs max HP/Sp Def Bulu? Maybe you could justify Assault Vest, although I'm not sure how popular that set is.

>>30737140
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 190-225 (55.2 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 180-213 (52.3 - 61.9%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
>>30737201
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Muk: 169-201 (40.8 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
There we go.

Probably get banned through a suspect test not a quick ban.
It's damn hard to switch something in that doesn't get 2hko'd by it.

>>30736199
and why wouldnt they? with Tapu and Toxapex running wild a team with out Magnezone is gonna have a hard time, truely Magnezone is the hero we need

>>30737201
>Tapu Lele used Trick!
>Tapu Lele switched items with the target!
>Tapu Lele gained Leftovers!
>Muk gained Ring Target!
>Tapu Lele used Psychic!
>It's supereffective!
>Muk fainted!

>>30736779
>pursuiter
what's this gonna do, tickle it? It isn't weak to dark.

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>>30737434

>>30737263
>252+ SpA Choice Specs
no one runs this

>>30737437
yeah it's going to tickle its massive base 75 defense stat

>>30737434
why is Lele doing two moves without Muk doing even one? And why is a poison type holding Leftovers.

>>30737488
unless it's ttar, an 80 BP nonstab move isn't gonne do bo diddly.

>>30736038
Ebin

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 978-1152 (377.6 - 444.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30737489
muk switched in duh

>>30737489
Because the Muk player predicted a Psychic and was using Leftovers to avoid having its Black Sludge double Tricked on one of his Pokémon.

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>>30737543
next level mindgames

>>30737263
that alolan muk can switch into moonblast once and then it's no longer a check. You have absolutely no long-term thinking, do you? Everything is a 1v1 matchup with you where the tapu lele always has the optimal set and picks the optimal move.

>>30737516
>what are weavile and bisharp

>>30737005
HELP THE OPPOSING POKEMON IS ABOUT TO ESCAPE

GET YOUR PSYCHICS OFF ME YOU DIRTY STRUMPET

AH! HE CAN TANK!
HE CAN TANK! HE CAN TANK! HE CAN TANK!

I CAN BRUTAL SWIIIIIIIING!

OOOH, HELP ME DR.ORANGURU!
ORANGURU, ORANGURU!
ORANGURU, ORANGURU!
OOOOH, ORANGURU!

>>30737568
I mean the optimal set is psychic/psyshock/moonblast/who cares, shadow ball normally.

>>30737595
Things that can't switch in reliably and can't actually one shot it with pursuit, because lo and behold it isn't weak to it. And bisharp is slower than it.
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 204-242 (72.5 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>30735893
t. scrub who needs his Lel crutch to win

>>30735898
>pokemon have weaknesses

>>30737800
>t. beta cuck who got rejected by Topu Keke and had to settle with a Jynx

>>30735898
>It held on using Focus Band
>Lele used Spark!

>>30737568
You haven't learn anything do you? That's the main reasoning behind smogonfags banning anything they fear. They're assuming certain mons has always optimal set, means like 6 or 8 moves per set. Same with Lele, if you present some counter they'll say it carry certain uncommon move like Thunderbolt, which most Lele won't cary at all, like never.

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>>30736558
F-fuck Y-you! Plz no B-bully. :P

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>>30735898
>Anon used current meme

>>30736438
Not the guy YOU replied to, but if you know so little about this why say anything at all?

>>30735993
AV Mangina
AV Jirachi
Yeah I actually got nothing.

>>30737201
Alolan muk cant do much but come in and eat a moonblast. Alolan muk cant get pursuit at the moment.

Sure he gets to knock off whatever comes in, but its still not taking care of the actual problem

>>30737423
What, magnazone is really easy to beat if you use shed shell

Alright what about Chansey? It only loses about 20% from psychic and can hit back with seismic toss and toxic.

Jirachi and Metagross are probably the most realistic checks to this thing.

Kind of dumb that every team needs one of those two just to not get raped by one Pokemon.

>>30738172
>toxic
>with psychic terrain

>>30738177
HP Fire

>>30738192
Your thinking of tapu fini but you are right, tapu fini shuts down mons like chansey and toxapex completely

>>30738172
Psyshock. Not that Psyshock is super common, but it's an option.

>>30738192
Misty Terrain stops status, not Psychic.

This is what happens you make an OP type like fairy and balance it only by giving it to shitmons, so when an exception like a legendary comes along with the typing you're fucked. The cancer deer was last gen, now they did it again.

>>30738205
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Jirachi: 146-172 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- 93.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 180-214 (59.8 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(180, 184, 186, 188, 190, 192, 194, 196, 198, 200, 202, 204, 206, 208, 210, 214)

HP Fire only really works on metagross. Metagross is better off revenge killing it instead of switching in because it takes too much damage from its other attacks anyway.

>>30735843
Can magnezone counter top lel?

>>30738265
They present ton of shitmons this gen and people were disappointed. Now people are complaining they made something good. You people are hopeless.

>>30735943
Celesteela

>>30735893
Doesnt Celesteela take like 25%? I didnt get a chance to go indepth with it

>>30738353
The only things that are good are the things that they'd have to fuck up super hard to be bad, things with 570 BST and good abilities. And out of all of those, the only one they fucked up super hard was Guzzlord.

>>30738353
Wow its almost like both of those things suck

>>30738370
Thunderbolt

>>30738370
Thunderbolt. Celesteela can only force a switch after eating damage anyways

>>30736038
If lele is running scarf then you have to run your own scarf. Lele will probably have max speed/sp.att too

So a better calc is:

252 SpA Gengar Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 264-312 (93.6 - 110.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

it goes down to 56.3% if the 4 ex's go into Sp. Def

>>30738441
You seriously saw even once Lele with t-bolt? Most of them carry Shadow ball as filler.

>>30738537
Not anymore with Aegis banned in Smogon OU. Tbolt is just easy filler to hit skarm and celesteela reliably

>>30738441
252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Lele Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela: 122-146 (30.6 - 36.6%) -- 58.8% chance to 3HKO

0 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 330-390 (117.4 - 138.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

easy

/thread

>>30735843
Literally dies to Megearna. Git gud.

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>all my waifus are OP this gen
It's my time to shine, boyos.

>>30738668
>Assault Vest

>>30738668
Who they fuck carry Assault Vest on Celesteela, like seriously

>>30738668
>Life Orb
>Assault Vest

>>30738798
>>30738834
>>30738841
>muh smogon guide says I'm only allowed to ruch leech seed or autotomize

>>30735983
I have a feeling some people might not be trying hard enough to find checks/counters to Tapu Lele because they just don't want to deal with it and want to make it seem as if it's too busted for OU.

This is a fear I have with any Pokemon that might potentially get banned from a tier in the future.

>>30738931
>Worked for Blaziken lmao

>>30736636
>It's like the thinly veiled attempts to try bring stall back into the dominant position in the meta - why won't they just let that shit die.

What are you talking about?

>>30738850
there's a reason why nobody runs it, it's not because smogon told them not to, it's because it's fucking shit and a waste of Celesteela

>>30739045
I'm glad absolutely everything has been figured out not even a month after release.

>>30739072
>low ladder plebian with pasta teams detected

>>30738537
I see it alot, because celesteela is on near every team

>>30739118
feel free to battle me if you're such a strategical mastermind that has figured out the meta down to a tee

>>30738978
Which gen.? Shame I wasn't there.

>>30738205
>>30738205

That's why he said CHECK

>>30739167
Just slap a Scarf on something and you have a check, nobody cares about that shit, counters are what's valuable.

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>>30738760
>TFW Tsareena sucks

>>30738177
Has this not been the case for just about every OU Pokemon?

Is psychic, moonblast, focus blast, HP fire a decent moveset for (timid) Lele @ Life Orb?

>>30735843
what nature is bet on them?

>>30739574
Probably modest.

>>30739574
Timid.

>>30737866
>pidgey held on with its focus band
Nice try bitch

>>30735843
>Choice Scarfed
>Terrain still goes off last even though she outspeeds Koko because of the Scarf

The actual fuck?

This is my only pet-peeve from testing on Showdown.

>>30739718
>Pidgey gets outsped on the next turn and dies

If it's running a choice set it's more so good play that will defeat it
Steel is a good type this gen

Is alolan dugtrio @arena trap a decent counter when lele gets locked? Or is arena trap banned because muh stall.

>>30739837
>Pidgey used Quick Att-
Oh wait, never mind

>>30739960
Alolan dugtrio doesn't get arena trap

>>30739960
Alola Dugtrio doesn't get Arena Trap.

>>30739960
>Alolan Dugtrio
>Arena Trap

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>>30739996
>>30739997
>>30740010
I'm a retard

>>30739960
Doubt anybody will use Scarf TBolt with a Dugrtrio running around anyway.

>>30740233
You're forgetting that a large cause of Lusamine's bad behavior was caused by Nihilego's venom. Remove that from her and she should become nicer.

>>30739302
Eh, Tsareena isn't THAT bad.

Trop Kick is a pretty decent move. Access to Rapid Spin and Hi-Jump Kick is also nice. She'd be a lot better if she was Grass/Fighting though.

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>>30740804
This anon went through the Ultra Wormhole into another thread.

If smogon bans her before either landorus forne I might just give up on smogon standard

>>30736795
Only a check if she's got HP fire (which she should)

>>30740804
>>30740890
how the hell do you even do this

>>30741026
Lando Incarnate has been banned

>>30741337
I wish we could be free from lando-t, too
Nothing is more frustrating to me than that pokemon, he can do way too much by himself

>>30737434
but it's dark type...

>>30741839
What do you think the Ring Target is for, anon?

>>30735843
still not cancer as tat steel flying waifu

>>30739163
Don't want to start a shit-storm so I'll just give you the basics, though it was recent so I thought everyone here would know.

Gen 4 Blaziken was straight-up shit, basically just a slower Infernape with an abysmal move-pool. Then Gen 5 comes along and Blaziken gets Speed Boost as a HA.

A few similar sets gain notoriety as a wall-breaker / cleanup sweeper in OU as it has decent enough coverage and SB allows it to get to ludicrous speed assuming it gets to sit on the field for a while.

This is of course happening during that awful period of post Gen 4 Smogon where the OU council in particular were just starting to come to grips with the fact that their banning philosophy from Gen 4 wasn't going to work anymore and everyone was getting tired of Stall and the fact that many bans were in fact aimed at keeping Stall viable (I'm looking at you Salamence).

Of course regardless, Blaziken gets banned to Ubers and only very shortly pops its head out during the release of Gen 6 before being quick-banned without a suspect test right back.

It didn't take long for everyone to realize how stupid this was as crazy shit like Mega Mom and Mega Gengar were allowed to shit all over the ladders for a while and it took the better part of Infinity for Smogon-sword to eventually get the ban hammer.

>>30739973
>The weird terrain disappeared!

>>30742273
Well, what the fuck then

I know it's not avaliable yet, but would Bulky/AV Volcarona and a Frostlass (Sashed if vs scarf) be counters to Lele?

What about Tyranitar w/ sandstorm? I know my SE hits on him do pretty much scratch damage so wouldn't her moonblad as well?