>pokemon wants to become an esport >can't crack down

>inb4 injecting isn't cheating, it's just being smart

fuck off verlis

>>30727856
Didn't you make this thread earlier?

>>30727856
Off yourself, you morally justified preachfag. Just cuz you're not smart enough to do cool Shit doesn't mean you have to Fuck with the cool kids who are.
>>30727863
>inb4 idiot trying to say intelligence is stupidity

Because cheaters and legit players in Pokemon will achieve the same end result. The only difference is the time it takes to get there.

Injecting isn't cheating. It's not "pokemon the rpg: the competition", it's "pokemon battling: the competition". The only thing "legit" mons do is prove you have more free-time to waste, not that you are any more skilled or intelligent than your opponent.

>>30727897
This, but use the words pros and noobs.

>>30727897
That is a level of depressing that is on par with the works of author Franz Kafka

Reminder that its all muscle memory and having the right parts.

>>30727912
Legitimacy is subjective.

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>>30727889
>thinking you're cool for cheating in a video game

It's no secret that the pokemon creators/devs are batshit retarded. How difficult is it to remove variable factors to equalize the playing field? How difficult would it be to remove the iv system, anything that hinges on rng, and install presets for what can be allowed so that any pokemon with unnatural abilities or moves can be screened out immediately? They just don't give a fuck, they never have - or these simple implementations would have been done already.

>>30727956
they're japs. they love games with rng.

seriously just look at the mobile games with gachas and random shit that's so popular right in Japan right now.

Here's the thing: does cheating in this game actually get you an advantage? You can get perfect stats and the right HP, but so can anyone else legally, just with tedium. I don't cheat but I can't find the inherent advantage outside of saving time.

I'll say it now before the autism goes all out.
Pokémon would be shit with no RNG.

TPCi is doing the exact opposite of trying to make pokemon an esport (outside of pokken perhaps). They made a player take off his sponsor's jersey when he went on stream in London.


also legit players needa stop bitching shit you can get everything an injector does it just takes time calm down damn

idk who falseflags who at this point

>>30727935
Not in the context of competition and game theory it's not.

>>30727912
>can't even play a game designed for 9 year olds

wew lad

i really don't care that you inject pokemons. just don't be a dick and try to rationalise your actions as if you're not cheating, it makes you look dumb

>>30727982
the question is, what are the parameters of the competition? Just battling, or is it a competition of playing the game, sperging out over 200 failed eggs that hinge on a random number generator, finding and teaching the right tm's, and otherwise incorporating the entire game?
I personally think anything rng related needs to exit the building whenever the word "competition" comes up, but I'm not as smart as nintendo

>entire premise of the tournament is people scrambling together whatever people can under harsh time constraints.
>Prize Pool has always been pathetically low to begin with
>Yet you still get people who can't even honor the spirit of the event

Seriously, off yourselves.

>>30728124
>entire premise of the tournament is people scrambling together whatever people can under harsh time constraints.
>Tapu_proofoo.jpg

>>30728087
I guess Peach, Luigi, and star KOs must be banned from Melee by that logic.

You also illustrated my point that you can still do it entirely legally. Yes it takes time and effort but it's possible. I got my naive hp fire Koko legit and I plan on at least trying to qualify for regionals this year.

>>30728124
>entire premise of the tournament is people scrambling together whatever people can under harsh time constraints.
Anon I don't even cheat but it takes me like a day to breed and fully train a full team of six pokemon.

Imagine a chess tournament that was normal except you had to build your own set to play against others. You don't have to make every piece perfect, but this is a tournament, so everyone there did so anyway. You come in with a set bought fresh from the game store, and start playing against people. You're losing some, winning others but then comes an autistic shriek: that set is store bought!!!!!! A manchild you had beaten is pointing beadily at you, and before you can finish your game, you are escorted from the premises.
Welcome to pokemon.

>>30728179
Greentext edit plz

>>30727982
Depends really. For example, legendaries and pseudo-legendaries are often inherently better, but because you can't breed them it's much more difficult to get everything to line up on them. Without editing tools, we'd probably see more use of less optimal setups, or people preferring other options that are more reliable. Especially because the more competitive players also tend to be the laziest, which is really just because Pokemon has never respected the player's time, knowing its biggest audience is children who have all the time in the world and don't care.

That last part is also why nothing will ever change. The game's success is founded on tenets that appealed to children. Being able to use anything you catch and randomness making everyone's pokemon unique to each other. They may toy around with balance and competitive aspects, but ultimately they're a novelty when it comes to what actually sells the game to the target audience.

>>30728160
That's fine my friend. My point is that this competition of yours lacks the proper parameters to decide who is best at pokemon battling, since anyone can win a coin toss.

>>30728223
Very well-put.

>>30728179
Nah.
>You're losing some, winning others but then comes an autistic shriek: that set is store bought!!!!!! A manchild you had beaten is pointing beadily at you, and the judges do nothing about it, because they know how chess works, so you finish your game and calmly go home, turn on your pc...
>And find Twitter aflame.
>Welcome to Pokémon.

>>30728146
2 weeks after the game releases is hardly time to fully analyze the meta, and depending on what you plan to use it would take a lucky lotto winner like >>30728167
or someone with absolutely no other life (and that's a stretch considering the low prize pools).

>>30727856
You just posted this yesterday

>>30727897
>. The only difference is the time it takes to get there.
That and cheaters have access to
More prep time
Hidden Power coverage
Event mon from specific regions

Hell they could make a whole team of shinies for stall purposes.

Doesn't the real skill come through understanding what the opponent is using and being able to strategize against it? I don't see why it can't be a competition when everyone is using the highest potential they can get and can still lose because they aren't good at battling. People can hack pokemon all day and still suck because they don't know how to use it.

>>30728307
>Hidden Power coverage
So do legit players, just be a good breeder.

>Event mon from specific regions
Again, so do legit players, you just have to attend such events or trade with people. Event-only mons are banned from VGC, anyway.

>Hell they could make a whole team of shinies for stall purposes.
And so could legit players, if you have the patience to breed an entire team of shinies.

Ahain, no difference besides the time taken to get to the end goal.

>>30727856
Pokemon can never be an e-sport. Certainly not at the moment with this broken ass meta.

So I guess in the tcg it should be perfectly okay for people to print out the cards from a printer because they have no differences other than the barrier of entry.

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/vp/ is not exactly the place to be discussing competitive anyway.

>>30727946
>thinking you're better than someone for waiting for RNG

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>>30728477
oh c'mon, you faggots. why not just settle it in a battle?

don't forget to record and share the battle video here.

What's to crack down on? They already keep you from bringing illegal hacked Pokemon through, anything able to be hacked can be done legitimately in game.
If they want to be an esport they need to balance their fucking metagame.

>>30728281
It's my first gen breeding for IV and EV training, but after an afternoon geting the power items the rest is pretty easy and a matter of about 1-2 hours getting the mon and an afternoon getting 5 to 50 in the league.

I'd also guess that the top players build their teams on paper before hatching the eggs.

>>30728307
>Hidden Powe coverage.
I know people autistic enough to reset for a HP Ice Xurkitree, and it worked fine for them.
And only pokémon caught or bred in Alola are alowed anyway.

>>30728450
Go try that, you'll see the judge check specific things. If your fake is good enought it'll pass and you will get manhandled by the top players.
If the judge doubts, you'll pass because the judge can't prove it.
If it doesn't, you were caught.

So yes. If you have a printshop at home.

>>30728515
The metagame is balanced around breeding. Cheating gives an edge to certain Pokemon.

>>30728521
>it's not cheating if you don't get caught

Naruto corrupting the youth.

>>30728538
How so? The result would be the same if enough time is invested anyways.

>>30728538
>The metagame is balanced around breeding
I'll need a explanation.

>>30728451
Someone needs to draw a honchkrow version of your pic

>hurr hurr hurr playing the game is retarded
This is what Injectors believe

>>30728383
>So do legit players, just be a good breeder.
Uh, no. It's just not possible to get the right IV combo to make Hidden Power a viable option using legitimate methods. Especially since GF has only created options to allow maxed IVs instead of a more free method of control.

>Again, so do legit players, you just have to attend such events or trade with people
No, no they don't.
That requires an insane amount of travel and bartering with a trader. Not to mention the possibility of it being hacked which defeats the purpose of playing legitimately.
>Event-only mons are banned from VGC, anyway.
You do realise that VGC isn't the only part to multiplayer right?

>And so could legit players, if you have the patience to breed an entire team of shinies.
The same reasons as above anon. Along with the IV barrier it's just not a feasable option.

>Ahain, no difference besides the time taken to get to the end goal
As well as
Hidden power coverage
Event mon
Shinies

>>30728652
>Uh, no. It's just not possible to get the right IV combo to make Hidden Power a viable option using legitimate methods. Especially since GF has only created options to allow maxed IVs instead of a more free method of control.
Uh, yes? Now you can max your IVs to 31 in each stat thanks to Hyper Training AND keep the Hidden Power you already had. So, just breed until you get the HP you want, then max those IVs. Not that hard to do, it just takes a bit of time to get the RNG.

>That requires an insane amount of travel and bartering with a trader.
Does it make it impossible? No. It just takes a long time, which was the point. And again, event mons are banned from VGC and in-game battle facilities.

>The same reasons as above anon. Along with the IV barrier it's just not a feasable option.
Shiny charm

>>30727856
We literally just had this thread yesterday verbatim. Even the OP's opening sentence was the same word-for-word.

Low quality shitpost.

>>30728699
>So, just breed until you get the HP you want
I don't think you understand how much time it takes to get the right combination of IVs to get the right type.
Also Hyper Training is a problem in itself because Sun and Moon has no places to adequately grind or any O-powers meaning it takes forever to reach level 100 further extending that time.

>Does it make it impossible? No.
I don't think you understand.
That would require flights and various other trips around the world or dealing with extremely stubborn people who have most likely hacked the mon in anyway.
Once again you're underestimating how much of a hassle this is for the legitimate player.

>And again, event mons are banned from VGC and in-game battle facilities.
And again VGC isn't the only part to multiplayer. This even extends to things like local tournaments and basic online.

>Shiny charm
Barely lessens the tedium for one mon let alone an entire team. Now combine that with the Hidden Power antics.

Also there's the whole swapping mon in and out of your team in your down time. Needless to say the hacker is going to have a larger pick of prepared mon than the legitimate player is because of that extra time they have on their hands.

I think arguing about obtaining shinies for competitive is complete bullshit.

it doesn't make a mon overly destructive nor does it really have an edge over a non-shiny.

It's just there for collective and aesthetic purposes.

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>Start the game
>Hack and get a team of 100 level Pokemon, all TMs and 99x Master Balls as soon as you can
>Play through the game without any problem
There's nothing wrong with this. IT'S THE FUCKING SAME, RIGHT?

>>30728981
Just so you know sending out a shiny pokemon to stall by using the shiny animation is a thing people actually do.

>>30729035
Fucking hell. Is that how low VGC standards are? And people play this shit?

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>>30728538
>The metagame is balanced around breeding
nigga what

>>30728892
>I don't think you understand how much time it takes to get the right combination of IVs to get the right type.

I do, which is why I inject :^)

>>30728892

You're literally just proving the point of injecting.

>>30728892
I'm not saying it's a hassle.

I'm saying it's POSSIBLE, completely possible to do everything you posted legitimely.

It just takes time, that's the only difference. I know it's tedious, it's not impossible.

>>30727856
Look at it this way, if someone cheated in Overwatch to get a skin they liked, no one would call foul. Why? Because cosmetics (i.e. hacked pokeballs/illegal ball combinations) have no bearing on competition whatsoever.

>>30729026
Sounds like false equivalence to me

>>30729221
Well duh, that's kind of the point.
I'm saying the advantages it has over breeding.

>>30729259
>I'm saying it's POSSIBLE, completely possible to do everything you posted legitimely.
They really aren't anon. I don't think you understand how much of a factor the time behind these things are.
Which again is the point.

>>30727856
>wanting to be e-sports in the first place

Literally why? It's killing the fun in multiplayer and is making people cheat more than ever. Why ruin your own game?

>>30729474
They don't want it to be e-sports anon. They've been having pokemon world championships for nearly the entire lifetime of the series.

They just want an outlet to promote the games.

>>30727856
easy, don't play competitive.

>>30729509
>They've been having pokemon world championships for nearly the entire lifetime of the series.

Huh? Th's been only a thing since 2009.

>>30730173
Not him but they've had smaller scale tournaments since at least 2004/5.

>>30729026
Are you fucking autistic? We're not talking about story progression.

>>30730358
So what? It doesn't affect the story in any way. It just take the "pointless grinding" out of the way.

>>30727856
no advantages gained from pkhexing so you shouldn't care :^)

So legit fags, you don't use that 6iv ditto?

>>30730275
Were they international?

The first tournament I knew was Journey Accross America in 2006, then Video Game Showdown in 2008, and then it became WCS since then.

>>30732583
I use some 4 IV Dittos that I got. It's still very fast to get a 5IV Pokemon by replacing parents.

When I'm allowed to transfer, I'll use my set of RNG abused Duttos from SoulSilver to make it even faster.

I'm 100% legit. Everything I got I grinded for myself. I'm against cheating in multiplayer games. The point of Pokemon is to catch and train your Pokemon for battles. I hate how competitive incentivated people to cheat more and more.

>>30732758
The TCG at least was. They had one back in 2002

>>30733019
After doing some googling there was a worldwide event in 1999. It was a tropical mega battle or some shit. Might have been invite only.

Nintendo needs to stop being cucks and ban hackers no matter how many they are.

>>30732822
Why i don't believe you?

>>30732583
I use my hexaflawless seven that I bred myself from scratch.

>>30733173
Not him but i do the same minus having a RNG abused Ditto. It's really not many steps more when you breed using 3-4 IV Dittos.

>not realizing that when it's not a retard genning a hackmon is literally indistinguishable from a legitimate mon
do your research. know improbable movesets, ivs, and pokeballs, and avoid them at all costs. If you're gonna cheat and argue about the time saved, the least you can do is realistically put yourself on a similar level and dodge cheating accusations entirely by simply not using that refresh salamence you were eyeing so much.

Rng abuse is just as cheat as Pkhex

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>>30727889
>Off yourself, you morally justified preachfag. Just cuz you're not smart enough to do cool Shit doesn't mean you have to Fuck with the cool kids who are.

It's not cool at all, it trivializes most of the accomplishment in the game. You basically destroy the fun in catching a shiny or breeding a perfect IV Pokemon because it's not special since there's thousands of cheated ones out there and there's no way to differentiate them.

How is it a good thing to ruin major aspects of the game?

It's like if you made an MMO and people were allowed to cheat to gain the best armors and weapons in the games and tried to justify it by saying "I'm not dumb enough to waste my time doing the content to get this gear."

That MMO wouldn't survive, in the same way Pokemon will never be a serious esports game.

>>30733346
Anything the game lets you do without a third party tool is by definition not cheating.

>>30733444
>It's like if you made an MMO and people were allowed to cheat to gain the best armors and weapons in the games and tried to justify it by saying "I'm not dumb enough to waste my time doing the content to get this gear." That MMO wouldn't survive, in the same way Pokemon will never be a serious esports game.

this

>>30733444
More importantly from a competitive standpoint it also has a huge impact on the mutations of the meta since people don't really need to put any dedication into a team build.

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Gonna flood the wonder trade, legitfags will turn the eye, and use them anyaway.

>>30734971
At best some kid who doesn't play VGC will use them.

>>30727856
Stop posting this fucking thread

Lol cheaters defending cheating why are you doing this?

>>30733173
It's the same thing we did when XY launched with no bank or cheat, we just got a Ditto Friend Safari (3 guaranteed IVs) and started breeding.

>>30735733
Yesterday was not me

>>30728374
Most sensible post in a Lycanroc Thread

>>30733444
Why are you so concerned about what other people do in their game? Because it devalues your own accomplishments? That's just being insecure.

>>30736921
You don't seem to know what being insecure means.

Cant wait until OP degenerates into roleplaying as NPCs

>>30737233
You were there yesterday?

There is nothing wrong with cheating. Why should I care about ruining other people's fun?
Half the people against cheating are eugenicists with an internet degree in human relations anyways. Your opinions are false

Play for yourself
Care about yourself

>>30738577
So selfish! Is it easy to form long-lasting and meaningful human relationships with that attitude, anon?

Cheating is for the weak

>>30736921

I thought being insecure was more like saying that cheating isn't cheating because you don't want to admit that you're a cheater? That you're cheating at a children's game?

>>30738985
Yeah, because I don't spend time breeding digital animals.
I really don't care if I'm making some furries upset by cheating in a game that I'm not the biggest fan of

>>30733444
>hunting shinies and breeding
>fun
Your autism is showing

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>>30738502
Of course!

>>30732822
>RNG abused
You realize that's just an inefficient form of "cheating," right?

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>>30728538
>The metagame is balanced around breeding

Anon I breed too but you can't be serious.

>>30733447
Taking advantage of flawed mechanics is still cheating.

Jesus christ the autism dichotomy is insane
EV training IS CHEATING YOU FUCKING RETARDS
You're manipulating systems and codes and computers that gamefreak NEVER intended to make public.
You're no better than one another, the original goal is for you to use a team of pokemon you bonded with that gained EVs with EFFORT over time. Not some cleanly set up stats with months of planning and study and execution with calculations.

THIS isn't what pokemon is meant to be at all. You're supposed to be smashing your opponent with fucking blast burn and having a good time with friends not hours of picking them apart with some shit moves that don't even work in the story mode

You people utterly ruined pokemon

>>30737233
For the record, i creted this thread again, but i'm not the original poster.

>>30727889
Underage