>This thing is slightly overrated Lele and Celesteela

>>30726143
I've never had trouble with Toxapex or Celesteela (based Magnezone), but a well timed Lele always gives me trouble

>>30726303
Celesteela isn't too bad thanks to Zone, but if it runs flamethrower it's just inconvenient.

>>30726348
I run Assault Vest with 16 Speed EVs to outspeed Celesteele and other non-Scarf Magnezones

>>30726366
Interesting I might try that, I run scarf right now but I'll give ass vest a try thanks.

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>>30726143
>mfw I have all three on my team

>>30726143
Toxapex really isnt that bad. So long as you have something with semblance of bulk that can setup and isn't totally resisted by Water/Poison, you can handle it. Celesteela is a pain in the ass, but it's got a couple key things that keep it in check.

Lele on the other hand is a cunt in a half. Thing hits way too hard, has good bulk, and way too high of a speed tier for it's performance given that it has the best Terrain. 130 base SpAtk, backed by the 50% boost to Psychic is an auto Choice Specs without the drawback. And then it also stacks with specs.