Pokemon is the only """"competitive"""""

>>30715778
pokemon's tracking is too easy anyways if youre not aim assisting you cant take on those camping octilleries.

Did you never plays Gunz?

K style or whatever.

>>30715778
>""""competitive"""""

Why multiple sets of quotation marks? One would have worked.

>>30715778
Define "cheating".

Is it using illegal moves/stats/abilities on a Pokemon that cannot possibly obtain them? Or is it saving yourself the trouble of countless hours of Tauros riding just to HOPE for good Hidden Power/IVs/SRing for a good nature and possibly hidden power type on a legendary?

>>30715932
Both

>>30715932
They both are. Stealing candy and stealing a bottle of water are the same crime

That's like saying it's cheating to use a store-bought chess set and not carve your own out of wood

>>30715778
but you're a player and you're not turning a blind eye.

/thread

>>30716060

I've got to be honest, that's one of the worst fucking analogies I've ever heard. I mean, maybe if you were *expected* to carve your own chess set, it would hold water, but as far as I know that's not a standard practice in competitive chess.

>>30716211
>implying you are expected to but by autists just like only autists would demand you carve your own chess pieces

>>30716313
what?

>>30716313

What in the actual fuck are you trying to say?

>>30716313
But anon, all the really great chess players are/were super autistic

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"I'm a loser who won't do what it takes to win."

Cheating is to gain an advantage over others
'Hacked' mons dont give an advantage

Refer to >>30713457
If you want to but I'm not arguing with more idiots

>>30716060
try a real analogy idiot:
that's like saying it's cheating buying a derby car when you are supposed to make your own from the kit,
which IT IS.
dumbass

>>30716991
it's more like, "I am a loser because I can't handle all that work, I am just too fucking lazy to do anything for myself, woah is me"
If you can't put in the time to the game when you cry that is the reason they gen, don't fucking play if you can't make time.

>>30715857
That was actually legitimate though. I never did it though and just mainly used a gun because the game was called "Gunz" not "Flail Around Like Faggotz".

>>30715778

>only

CS:GO is literally hacks vs hacks and fan boys eat that shit up

>>30715778
Just like melee

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Let's just cut to the RP faggotry and salvage something from this shit thread. We should all know each others arguments and non-arguments by now.

Did we need this thread again?

>>30715932
I swear if this is that same dumb nigger again who keeps insisting he's not actually cheating I'm choke a bitch

Saying injecting is cheating is like saying not getting all your cards out of packs for your Magic/YGO deck is cheating.

>>30715778
Pokemon is the only """"competitive""""" game where you have to go through a massive wall full of RNG to play the competitive game
This is why people cheat. Because there's a massive entry-barrier and surprise surprise not everyone has the time to play Tauros Riding Simulator 2016 2 hours per Pokemon.

>>30718649
Uhh no? Are you mentally challenged sir?

I hate literally all of you.

>>30716060
Would you consider it cheating if a player obtained a legitimately bred Pokémon from one of his friends, rather than breeding it himself?

>>30718738
Fuck, didn't mean to link to that post. I need sleep.

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>Wow anon, you bred them all yourself? That's amazing. I mean, of course I wouldn't do it any other way if I was a trainer. But still. I'm glad you're not a cheater reject.

>>30718787
>Implying you'd be able to inject if Pokemon existed
Stop shitposting with my waifu you faggot

Good the RPfaggotry is starting. Now someone else storytime something horrible.

>>30718787
I'LL BREED YOU LILLIE

>>30718818
Exactly. Cheaters can't exist in the idealised Pokemon world. Makes you think doesn't it?

>>30718850
and the moralfag breeders are all arrested for animal cruelty. Really stimulates the cerebral circuits

>>30715778
Because it's not skill to make battle ready Pokémon.

It's skill in battling not skill in raising nearly identicle creatures waiting for a stat to be 31 isn't making you a better player

Soft resetting doesn't take skill

It's not getting better it's literally waiting to play the game

>>30718850
Really sets my cogs a'turnin'...

...Makes my peanut start a'ponderin'...

... the gerbil start a'runnin'...

>>30718912
Buying packs of cards doesn't take skill. Why can't I use counterfeit cards in TCG tournaments?

>>30718976
The equivalent would be buying singles. But that's not in line with your logic.

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>>30715778
How does it feel that your day of reckoning has come, Verlis?

>>30718976
Because paying for cards is how these companies make money?

GF doesn't win or lose money if you inject, you literally already have the game in your hands, there's nothing else you can buy

>>30718990
How is that equivalent? Buying singles is within the rules of the game.

>>30715895
""""""""henry"""""""""

>>30719025
Because you didn't expunge the hours to buy and sort through every pack of cards. You just went to Ebay and got a card from some random dude that could've counterfeited the card, you cheating faggot

>>30715778
>be me
>Wake up
>Goto /vp/
>The second thread I see is a thread started by verlisfag
What is happening to the world

>>30719053
Go look at the vgc rules, I'll wait.

>>30719053
Wait ignore this I dumb

>>30719025
>buying singles

Competitive pokemon is like chess, but you're expected to hand carve your own pieces before you're allowed to play the game.

Except in chess what the pieces are made of has no effect on the outcome of the game, as long as you move the pieces the way they're supposed to.

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>>30715778
Eh I don't hack but if everything's legal I don't see the issue. As long as someone doesn't send out a Beast Ball Mewtwo with 1000 in every stat I think it's not really cheating

Maybe try to git gud

srry im a battler not a breeder

i dont really mind people who hack for legitmons just as long as they arent smug about it

although I do dislike how a bunch of vgc players apparently know little about the games themselves and are just in it for the money and just are usually boring people in general

>>30719107
THIS. holy fuck

Like seriously, as long as you're injecting legal shit what's the issue? Some people just want to play optimally but don't have time to sit there and go breed for 100 years per mon

>>30719145
You're definitely not a breeder, you fucking virgin.

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>>30719053

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>>30718649

It is more of like getting counterfiet cards indistinguishable from the real thing printed specifically for your deck(injecting) instead of getting them from packs (breeding) or buying singles (trading).

>>30718787
>If I inject I don't get the Lillie

Fuck, looks like it's time to start injecting

>>30718912

I think I'm more against genning because it removes the time barrier between hundreds of thousands of shitty kids seeing a team on VGC/YouTube and running into online battles with them. I miss the days when seeing a team full of legendaries in a local tourney was a relief because you knew they had sub-par IVs and few/no EVs.

Also to anyone who actually tries to justify it with "b-b-but I want to actually play the game without breeding," that is literally what the online simulators are for. If only they were an actual heat sink for lazy kids.

>>30717023
this anon knows the facts

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>Cool bred mons. I inject mine though... just kidding. Haha, as if I'd ever do that. Cheaters are just the worst. Eww.

>>30719190
not even a valid comparison since pkhexing in mons has no advantage while getting counterfeit cards means you have an advantage of not spending your money while others do lmao

>>30719685
Time is money, dumb faggot

>>30718976
look at >>30719685

>>30719696
>assuming everyone who gens has more time

can you prove everyone who gens has more time than legit players?

no you can't.

>>30715778
I dont understand, why is it cheating to inject legal pokemon? its the exact same and you dont have to spend hours upon hours grinding. It doesnt affect anybody else negatively and it doesn't make the person injecting any better than the people breeding legitimately.

I dont even inject but I dont see what's wrong with it at all

>>30719723
you must be retarded

>>30719739
as expected. no counter argument because you have none.

>>30719723
They have more time to spend on other things

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>Whattya doin? Usin hacks? Don't worry, I'll destroy em. Everyone knows hackers act strong but are weak right under the surface. They got no time to breed and no time to train. That's why they gotta generate them. We don't allow that in Team Skull. Ya boy will smash all those hacks, just send em at me.

>>30719798
can you prove that though

>>30715778
Battling and training are two entirely different aspects.

People respect battling. People don't respect training. There's no reason to-- training doesn't display an inherent increase or decrease of skill. Oh, you rode around an island with a party full of eggs more than I did? Shit, that makes you the better battler.

Until there's fucking Egg Hatcher VGC to see who can hatch the most eggs, there's literally no substance to it. No reason. It's dumb. GF adds new features every year to lessen the competitive gap, and the mind-numbing amount of time it takes to get to that point and breed (for example QR teams for testing purposes).

Breeding's a joke, even if I for one try to do it legit, but don't say competitive players encourage cheating. They don't encourage mons with illogical, imbalanced, hacked stats or moves. There's always an outcry to stalling, etc. Nobody plays on uneven grounds except those who choose it for themselves.

>>30719827
>People respect battling. People don't respect training.

Yeah, no. Your dumb shit fell apart second line. Everyone knows putting the time for those rare shinys and ballism is a thing, even more so before hackerfags came and fucked up the Pokemon economy. Shut the fuck up and quit cheating already you loser.

>>30719685

But pkhexing gived you perfect mons with no time or effort. Time you can spend developing strategies and battleing to gain experience.

This is a huge advantage over someone who has to legitimetely breed, and even then may not end up with perfect stats.

I'm against injecting, but I don't blame the people who do it. It's Gamefreak's own terrible game design that's to blame here.

>>30718976
You can, it's easy to pass a deck check when they're sleeved and whether you win with counterfeits or not has no effect on how much skill you displayed while actually playing the game.

>>30719922
you should have already developed those strategies and tested out your to be team on a simulator like pokemon showdown prior to getting the pokemon anyways. that would be the intelligent thing to do. still does not prove everyone who pkhex's has that spare time. they could love to battle in tournaments, but not have much time at all to actually breed legitimate mons especially when there is a time limit (the tournament date)

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>Hmm? Do you like my Pokemon? He's super strong and I bred him myself. What about you? You do breed yours right? I knew you did. You're a good boy, I'll give you a reward. You'll be the first I do this with too, since I've never seen anyone with such strong bred Pokemon like you before.

>>30719983
Ignorant, as people are recently changing their teams MIDWAY in the tournamant. Cheating is cheating anyway, stop defending it.

>>30719983
If you spend weeks breeding a team for a tourney and a hacker spends an hour, do you not see a time difference?

Same results different methods

When they add so much bullshit you have to get through just to play, I don't blame them. Seriously, this shit sucks.

>>30719898
>Everyone knows putting the time for those rare shinys and ballism is a thing
To the autists on /vp/, bingo
>Pokemon economy
Literally what, there is no such thing as an "economy" of rare currency, items, monsters, etc. in a game that has never securely punished cheaters
>Shut the fuck up and quit cheating already you loser.
>Look mom, I cherry-picked Anon's comment and brazenly reinforced my side of a non-existent Poke-war with drivel!

my sides, oh god

>>30720073
you are assuming people have the same amount of spare time in general to get their teams ready. not everyone can spend hours at a time getting their team ready.

>>30720059
that is part of the strategies and testing teams lmao it gives no advantages whatsoever so you shouldn't care anyways.

>To the autists on /vp/, bingo

congratulations. you've admitted you are wrong. now instead of saying xD omg my sides you could think about it and revise your view. Or you can continue being an utter retard who doesn't understand arguments and logic.

>>30717023
Except various posters in that thread have proved time and time again that there is a huge time and accessibility advantage.

But you don't think those count, so "there isn't an advantage" and you keep repeating the same shit without addressing any of the points people make at all.

>>30720258
Ignore him, he has an obviously low IQ and is probably the same person as
>>30715932

or something

>>30720164
>I'm fumingly spouting more drivel at a pace to blindingly fast that I forgot to reply to the post in question!
>Logic! Reason! If I say it, maybe everybody will think I've devised cohesive statements and legitimate contentions.

xD omg my sides

>>30720143
>using save extraction to bypass official VGC methods of team locking to ilegally edit EVs mid-tournament
>"part of the strategies and testing teams lmao"
>"it gives no advantages whatsoever"

So I'm now fully convinced Pokemon cheater apologists are literally fucked up in the head, there's no way such a large group of people can be so retarded and incapable of seeing logic and reason at the same time.

>>30716020
That is quite possibly the shittiest comparison I've ever seen made.

>>30720326
why would i defend people like that? THAT is true cheating, dipshit.

>assuming that was what i meant anyways

>STILL insisting there is an advantage when you can't even disprove my argument on time

how desperate are you?

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>it gives no advantage guys xDDDD
Except it does, and here's how...
>posts argument
>lmao that doesn't count lol your just wasting time u autist, it gives no advantage xDDDD

Like a broken clock

>>30720326
They always have been. This shit hasn't been justifable from any moral perspective since gen6. Now that they ran out of excuses their arguments are full retard. This gen even more so.

>>30720382
>Except it does, and here's how...
How?

>>30720326
>>30720326
>using save extraction to bypass official VGC methods of team locking to ilegally edit EVs mid-tournament
This is the only example in the thread I've come across so far (give me a break-- skimming) that's inexcusable, obvious cheating with a DEMAND for punishment. Fuck that shit.

But PKHeX, PowerSaves, trading with friends, etc. is available to literally everybody. How you prepare your team doesn't really matter. But in the case of only having a week to get your teams primed... yeah, maybe that's a bit of an advantage.

>>30720375
The guy you quoted was talking about changing teams midway through tournaments.

And hacking gives many advantages, both in terms of time and accessibility, especially when it comes to things like Ultra Beast/legendary Hidden Powers and 0 Attack/Speed IV sets, as well as things like Defog Skarmory and other gen 4 or below tutors/TMs (which can't be bred for 31 IVs like in modern games).

>>30720375
>that's cheating but what I'm doing isn't
Seems like you have a very specific definition of cheating that is different from the normal definition. It seems to exclude cheats that you do and include cheats that others do that you haven't.

Really makes me think.

What a retard.

>>30720411
Read this thread, or any other on the matter really
>>30713457

Is there another competitive game that requires that amount of grinding and going to special events to even start to compete?

>>30720415
>How you prepare your team doesn't really matter.

Not everyone believes this though.

At this point the people that still actually cheat when it's so easy not to, are just the lowest of the low pure trash.

>>30715932
Would you consider a weightlifter taking steroids to save themselves countless hours of training cheating? Because it's the same thing.

>>30720439
>Doesn't even explain just tells you to go find shit
Look I breed my mons but I just don't get the stigma against hacking. If they're actually illegal (Illegal movesets, stats, etc), they can't fight online, so I see no issue.

>>30720491
It's not easy to not cheat. If anything, they made it even more inaccessible with how hard it is to get Hidden Abilities compared to Gen 6.

>>30720421
Okay but at what point does accessibility cross into cheating? If a friend hacks a Defog Skarmory, and I'm not aware that it's a cheated 'mon, am I cheating?

If this friend denies the nature of the 'mon, but I ask for more, am I cheating? You guys are acting like the community's riddled with "cheating apologists" but you're just trying to rationalize the idiocy which is Bike Simulator 3000. Accessibility is varied, yes, but once you're in the competitive game and you've made connections and understand how to get your shit rolling, this isn't worth bringing up. That's barrier to entry. In between your first events and your next, legit or not, you'll have almost everything primed.

So the difference is, what, a legit player and a hacker's differing scores on their FIRST tourney? The difference is who hacked, sorta hacked, "I guess they hacked," "that's legit but seems unfair," etc.? And you're the judge? This entire thread is a fucking riot

>>30719180
This.

I don't care if people inject pokemon that are identical to legitimate pokemon, but if you don't understand HOW breeding works, you shouldn't play.

>>30720483
That's where this comes full circle to "my opinion is fact" the board.

I wish it were as simple as "the pokemon community is the only one to promote cheating methods!!!!!!1!"

>>30720491
kek sure thing anon. Sure I love the improvements but it's not NEARLY as easy as just clicking a few buttons for a perfect mon in seconds. I have nothing against the hackers, but it's still so much easier to inject a mon that's already perfect instead of our convoluted breeding and training for up to hours

>>30720480
Any fighting game.

>>30720536
I'm sorry to break it to you but that "idiocy" is the game you chose to play.

Game Freak designs these games as a cohesive whole of catching, breeding, and training, not just battling. You want to ignore 3/4 of the game and focus on the 1/4 you like, but that's not how they designed the game (except for the new rental QR team feature, the first time they did anything of the sort ever).
They want your effort in training Pokemon to be an essential part of being a Pokemon player. They don't use the term "Pokemon Trainer" instead of "Pokemon Battler" for nothing.

You want to break the rules and cheat to turn the game into a battle simulator, fine, but expect to be at odds with the entire design philosophy of the game (and the official rules, in case you want to compete in official tournaments), as well as to experience backlash because as cheat-ridden as this community is, there is always going to be people who frown on using third party hacks to gain resources in a multiplayer game.

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>mrw breeders think their breeding time-sink should reward them with better battling results

To death with the horrible breeding system. It doesn't make the game better.

I play by the rules but, god, I hate every second of this breeding hell.

>>30720644
>getting rewarded for time and effort is unfair

It's an RPG, not a fighting game, that's how GF designed the game to be. Just so you know.

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>implying breeding is even canon
You just leave two pokemons at the nursery and mysteriously find an egg? No one knows how it got there! You run in circles and wait for the pelipper to drop off more eggs to the nice nursery lady.

That's why cheating is CANONICALLY fine, because having eggs just appear is basically the same thing as cheating

>>30720661
Game Freak doesn't come onto the forums to complain about cheaters, though.

In fact, they seem reluctant to punish anyone for generating pokemon.

>>30720566
You have to be retarded to defend this as not actually cheating.
May as well say taking candy form a baby isn't stealing in my opinion it's more of a gray area.

It's just a matter of fact and opinion? Yeah, no. Anyway the pro hack arguments are so bad in here I think there is some trolling.

>>30720421
those type of pokemon aren't even allowed anyways in official tournaments since they only allow native pokemon. the hidden powers one falls under more time for legit players, but i already said what i have to say about the time argument. the 0 speed one holds some merit even though it falls under the time scenario since 0 is so low and trick room 0 speed IV matters though there are communities that help each other out when it comes to things like that. attack IV being at 0 though doesn't mean anything. "not at 0" does not mean much at all. a few points of difference in IV's wont change #hko's being #hko's.

>>30720661
>gf constantly tries to shorten breeding
>doing it even faster is worse

>>30720666
Checked King Satan N

>>30720679
Well, Nintendo is literally offering 20 thousand dollars to people with information on new exploits on 3DS firmware used to, among other things, "Save data extraction and manipulation".

I don't know about GF but Nintendo is pretty pissed about their system being wide open to hacking like that.

>>30720661
Except in most RPGs, there is no competitive aspect. There's absolutely no need to grind to beat the game or even the postgame stuff. In Pokemon, grinding is the bare minimum necessary if you want to get anywhere against other players.

>>30720437
no im using the first definition that shows up when you search:

act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

no advantage so it is not cheating in general. pokemon company says no injecting in their tournament rules, but when there's no advantage, who cares lmao

>>30720747
Not an excuse.

>>30720708
They're trying to prevent people from download games for free, and stuff like that. Game save manipulation is a common way for the hacking/modding community to unlock their Nintendo consoles. Usually specific games are required so, understanding vulnerabilities can help them vet the stuff they're publishing.

It doesn't have anything to do with PKHEX.

>>30720749
Time is an advantage, seriously this has been said already. If you don't agree you are wrong and an idiot.

>>30720763
It said save data dumb fuck. What other games are people modifying save data in so much. Hurrr.

>>30720749
If there was no advantage then people wouldn't do it.

>>30720781
it's like you didn't read the past posts. you can't prove everyone who gens has more spare time so it is not a proven advantage.

>>30720747
>Except in most RPGs, there is no competitive aspect

And that's one of the things that sets Pokemon apart from other games, raising a team to take out other people.
Kind of ruins the entire spirit of it when 90% of the people you fight just hacked their shit in 5 seconds though.

>>30720809
it has no advantages when it comes to the final product. in the moment, it could help especially if you do not have nearly as much spare time as others do or even not much spare time at all, but really enjoy battling.

>>30720638
Nigga if I'm competing in a tournament no one gives a fuck about the game philosophy or training, it's a competition for battling

If all the mons are legal on a team then there is no rule being broken, you don't see the winners of tournaments glorifying the time spent hatching eggs when that 1/4 of the game is the competition

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>>30720811
Is this nigger for real? Holy fuck. I wish I knew where you were and it was near me so I could remove you from the gene pool. Not even being edgy. At least you'll never breed anyway... hopefully.

>>30718649
No its like saying printing out all of the best cards from the internet is cheating.

Which it is by the way

>>30720847
>If all the mons are legal on a team then there is no rule being broken

In terms of VGC there are, it prohibits Pokemon manipulated by third party means in any way at all, as well as Pokemon bred from hacked Pokemon.
Obviously they can't enforce this for shit, but it's there, it's in the rules.

>>30720802
>It said save data dumb fuck. What other games are people modifying save data in so much. Hurrr.
Well, the DS hacks actually happened because of a single game's save data. That's how they broke the system. Actually, a few systems have required specific game saves from games to install custom firmware.

I understand that Verlisify told you it was about pokemon. Please understand that he is a hack who is grasping at straws to make pokemon videos. He is speculating. I guarantee you, Nintendo has much bigger concerns. Nintendo's wording is intentionally broad, however, and while I'm sure they would be interested in stopping whatever Pokemon hacking is going on, it doesn't really affect their bottom line. Modding does. Hence the bounty.

>>30720871
He'll just inject it.

>>30720759
The thing is, it sucks shit. How many people actually have fun riding Tauros in a circle waiting for eggs to hatch? And not only that, you have to do it for multiple pokemon. For the ones with HAs, you have to chain them before you even have the chance to do that. And then there's Hidden Power, which takes even longer since now you have to raise the mons with that move to level 100 so they can be perfect on top of hoping they have the HP you need in the first place. And it's not just one or six mons you have to do it for. It's 50 to 100, maybe more if you want to experiment more than that. I mean holy shit, no wonder a ton of people just play simulators.

>>30720819
The thing is, I don't blame them. It takes a lot of time to make a team. And they keep adding more shit that makes it take even longer. Instead of making things more accessible, they just keep making things worse.

>>30720843
>it has no advantages when it comes to the final product.

If you take this moronic ideology to any logical conclusion you get
"doesn't matter what happens when we are alive because there is no advantage in the end result"

Watch him try and claim this is a bad example which it isn't. Moronic. Back to rddit, please. I'm serious... reddit is better for you.

>>30720903
>And they keep adding more shit that makes it take even longer. Instead of making things more accessible, they just keep making things worse.

Nigga you crazy? Gen 6 made breeding so incredibly easier, like fucking light years easier than gen 5 and below, and while gen 7 didn't do that much in terms of breeding it did add Hyper Training, as useless and tedious to use as it is (at least 6IV Legendaries and single encounters are now possible at least).

>>30720880
The guy is a genuine moron, you will never get through to him.

The problem is that injectors don't care about any of the points breeders bring up, and vice versa. A conclusion will never be reached.

>>30720880
And does my prideful rp'ing nature as a righteous trainer make me choose to tell an official the origin of my team because they're all legal but injected

>>30720874
>costs money for the cards
>costs time you cant prove pkhexer's would still have afterwards

>>30720906
the point of tournaments is that the guy who played better wins in most cases unless hax is involved. how you got the mon does not matter since there are no advantages. it is just that simple.

as for the analogy, there are actually people who believe that though no one really knows what happens after you die since only the dead know so....yeah terrible example

>>30720935
I know but I like to push autists to new levels of mental gymnastics

>>30720928
I'm talking about from gen 6 to 7. SOS chaining to find HAs is a pain in the ass compared to the Friend Safari. There's no easy way to hit level 100 to access Hyper Training.

>>30720969
>how you got the mon does not matter

That's not what the rules say, though.

>>30720928
>6IV

found the scrub

>>30715778
so, my cheated team is just as strong as the autist's who used up whole months of his own life for tauros riding.

and in the end, my team is basicly the same as if i had done it the manual way.

so what? are you angry because i made YOUR effort look meaningless?

>>30715778
It's not our fault Gamefreak is retarded.

>>30720983
only because the pokemon company believes part of the fun in pokemon is tauros simulator/soft reset 2016.

pkhex'd mons wont change the outcome of the battle. it is just that simple

>>30720983
Muh nigger. let me tell you something. I have been here the last I don't know how long. This dumb faggot has continued to argue that this form of cheating is not actually cheating because it doesn't effect the end result, or some such batshit dumb argument. I don't even care about cheating that much to be honest. But this guy... he is genuinely just retarded. I pray he is a troll but I just don't know.

You will never get through to him. He has some genuine intelligence issue.

>>30720708
Nintendo doesn't give a fuck that people are genning Pokemon, they care that people are pirating shit.

>>30720819
Pokemon is not a competition of who raised the best, it is a competition of who battles the best. Levels are capped for a reason, tournaments don't allow a level advantage, so clearly raising them isn't the point.

>>30721009
>pkhex'd mons wont change the outcome of the battle. it is just that simple

Right, but Pokemon battles don't happen in a vacuum. How you obtain the Pokemon is also part of the competition.

>>30721021
ah the typical

>no counter argument so i will insult them

keep being salty that you can't prove me wrong

>>30717691
>woah is me
Fuck off retard.

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>>30715778
Honestly, cheating has been so easy for a while now. It's kindof a joke whether you cheat or not, I don't think it matters. I admit cheating is wrong, but after spending the entirety of the Gen 6 postgame with eggs and bikes, along with the advent of CFW towards the end of the 3DS's lifespan, I say fuck it and take the shortcut while you can. You know it won't be readily available on launch(or at least I sure hope it isn't) when the next game comes out on the next hardware. Plus, breeding's gonna get a tiny bit easier, as it has been doing with each new gen, so who cares if you cheat on these awkward 3DS gens.

>>30721053
how you obtain the pokemon does not affect your battling skills. how you got them is your time that you used because you had the spare time to do it. if you want to believe getting legitimate pokemon is a skill, you do you, but it is no battling skill and that is what matters lmao

>>30716020
We sell shit like that at my job, and nobody fucking cares if someone take a bottle of water or candy
so i gonna inject some mons

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>>30721030
>>30720763
Oh, really?
Let's see, then

https://hackerone.com/nintendo

Notice how it explicitly separates piracy from cheating? And guess where "Save data modification" falls into?
Stop the fucking denial.

>>30721093
The thing is is that Pokemon isn't just a battle simulator, so just because something doesn't involve battling skills doesn't mean it's not part of the game. You don't decide what matters and what doesn't.

>>30720955
>implying every breeder thinks the same and is against injecting

>>30715778
>/vp/ represents the whole Pokemon fanbase now
I assure you the actual majority of the Pokemon fanbase doesn't look favourably at cheaters.

>>30721138
in tournaments, all that matters is battling skills. that is what i was saying. I never said what pokemon as a whole is or isn't. that is for the player to decide.

>>30721157
I'm guessing Reddit, Youtube and GameFAQs don't represent the fanbase either?

What does, then? Because all of those places are full of the same type of pro-cheating rhetoric.

>>30721093
I wonder if you're underaged. You sound like it and it would make sense. Maybe you'll grow up one day. Probably I'm just wishful thinking because of how dumb you are. I wish you would change or not exist. Please do us all a favor and off yourself if you are genuinely 18 or over. Either way, remove yourself from the board please.

>>30721169
>in tournaments, all that matters is battling skills.

The point I'm trying to make is that this isn't true. If it was, there wouldn't be rules against injecting in the first place.

>>30721105
Like I said before, they're broadly interested in it. They would be happy to stop any cheating. However, the majority of their text is dedicated to piracy-related activities.

Like I said, while they are broadly interested in stopping cheating, that bounty has a lot to do with piracy and very little to do with pokemon.

>>30720955
The problem is really just one faggot here:
>>30721093

>>30721149
I should have been more specific, sorry.

>>30721093
There's a free battle simulator, with ladders for you not to feel bad about yourself because your too lazy to do breeding.

That or consider suicide, famalam.

>>30721138
>You don't decide what matters and what doesn't.
>but breeding matters since it's my opinion

>>30721197
as i said, it's because the pokemon company wants everyone to get their mons legitimately even if theres no advantages to pkhexing them in

>>30721217
nha don't worry, i mean i get why some people would be upset about cheaters, but this whole thread is just ridiculously stupid on both ends

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>>30721287
Man you really don't have a clue do you?

>>30721313
if you can prove me wrong, try to instead of wasting a post like you just did lmao

>>30718654
Why when buy the game then when you can just sit on showdown

>>30715778
That's because game freak wont take a hint and remove IVs already.

>>30720513
Steroids give a physical advantage though. An injected pokemon will be the same as a legitimate one online.

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>>30720029
>>30719667
>>30719806
>>30718787

>I can make all of /vp/s waifus cry by injecting and beating their white knight breeders

Holy fuck this makes me erect

>>30715778
the game has gotten to the point where cheating is the only route left, any collectible game will tell you that

>>30721177
How about you try some actual Pokemon websites? I didnt get the impression leddit is that procheat but whatever Smogon, serebii and showdown's wifi sections are pretty hardcore about cheating, they run user blacklists and everything. Twitch Pokemon section is nothing but people shiny hunting 24/7. I could go on.

>>30720480

Pretty much any competitive game ever.

Eve's alliance tournament makes pokemon tournaments look like babytown fun times.

>>30721436
>they run user blacklists and everything

How the fuck doesn't that turn into constant witch hunting drama?
>This guy has traded with a guy who knows a guy who bred his traded Pokemon with a 6 IV hacked Ditto, I'm sure of it, add him to the blacklist!

>>30721390
what if it's a new steroid that just makes the user reach peak human condition, like Super Soldier Serum?

>>30718910
>and the moralfag breeders are all arrested for animal cruelty.
Except that breeders are a legitimate trainer class.

>>30721465
Pretty sure you only get added if there is a clear evidence you cheated or lied about the trade. Scammers have their own blacklist.

>>30719731
If you play VGC, its literally illegal to generate or modify a pokemon with any kind of software.
Even then, almost everyone injects pokemon because they are impossible to be detected as illegal ones.

>>30721276

Breeding matters because it's...part of the game? That various individuals are entering an officially sanctioned tournament for? That considers injecting to be cheating, hence it being against the rules?

Dreamgate wouldn't have been a thing if the folks running VGC were running around spouting bullshit like "It's not cheating if you aren't cheating beyond what's possible in-game!" But it was a thing, so even if everyone using injected mons wants to form a human centipede and get kind of embarrassingly smug about it on an online imageboard, that's not going to somehow stop cheating from being cheating. Either accept you're cheating at a children's game and cry yourself to sleep or go study for your pre-Algebra exam, since time is clearly very tight for you.

I kind of want to blame Game Freak for not being competent enough to not have injecting be such a rampant problem within a month of their game coming out, but if people wouldn't inject, that wouldn't be a problem.

>>30721276
I'm saying this based off of official rules, not my opinion.

>>30719116
I think at this point it's less that people care about the outcome than the fact that the people hacking literally don't see it as cheating.

>actually don't dislike breeding
>SRing for balltism tapus with the right hidden powers is making me strongly consider injection
It's not fun and it's not like breeding where an imperfect child can still be progress if it's better than its parent. Catching Tapu Koko and then seeing that it has a Brave nature or HP Electric was just a total waste of the time it took to catch it.

>>30718654
People cheat because not cheating puts you at a disadvantage
>Oops! Looks like Foul Play KO'd you! Shouldve gotten that 0 atk IV!.

>>30719826
The fact that they don't spend time breeding anon. It's not that hard.

>>30721557
That's what I was in here for. Man, I ain't no moralfag myself although I do play pokemon legitimately. But some of these guys, or it may just be one braindead fucktard, is incapable of calling it what it is for some reason.

>>30721525
just because it is part of the game does not mean people play the game for that part. some people enjoy breeding/soft resetting for that feeling you have when you get that perfect mon, some enjoy just battling, and some enjoy both. the person playing the game decides what matters for themselves.

>>30721287
You don't see how this contradicts what you said before? If the people who make the tournaments care about how you get your Pokemom, then it's impossible for tournaments to only be about the battles.

>>30721435

1. People get lazy and want to get things without working for them
2. Other people notice that their time and effort is being undermined by people who bypass the rules of the game
3. Cheating becomes rampant, the best and anyone who wants a competitive edge start doing it
4. The game gets to the point where cheating is the only route left

The whole problem your argument rests on is caused by people cheating in the first place, numbskull. The only time playing within the rules becomes a liability is when other people are getting away with actual, literal cheating.

It's like saying bringing a cheat sheet to a test isn't actually cheating because you could've known the answers anyway by spending time studying.

>>30721642
>Your stupid meme about "part of competitive is raising the pokemon!" holds no water and you know it.

>>30719188

>>30721642
I guess this is you admitting you lost?

>>30721585
if only it was that simple. just because they dont spend as much time does not make it an advantage since you can not prove how much free time everyone has.

>>30721625
going by a definition from dictionary.com:

a trial of skill in some game, in which competitors play a series of contests

by that definition, all that should matter is your battling skills. they may care how you got your pokemon, but, again, how you got your pokemon does not affect your battling skills, which is what a tournament in general is about. skill vs skill

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>>30721682
This fucking retard is still here.

>>30718547
It's not cheating tho

>>30721642
>hackers have no advantage over you.
They do though, try breeding that HP Fire 0 Atk IV Salazzle and Hyper Train it one week before your competition. By the time you do you will have to breed 2 more mons and soft reset 3 legends.

Lol hackers defending their cheating makes me laugh.

>>30721639
>bringing a cheat sheet to a test
theres the advantage of knowing the answers from the start, giving you a better grade than everyone else unlike pkhexing which gives no advantages. an advantage is what makes it cheating.

>>30721712
Look, these people exist. They are real and they will try to breed. God save us all.

>>30721742
>They are real and they will try to breed

Nah, they'll just inject

;^)_____________________________

>>30721682
We aren't talking about tournaments in general. We are talking about a specific tounament with specific rules regarding things that happen outside of the battle. Which means that your claim that only what happens in the battle matters is false.

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>Anon, stop arguing with worthless unsaveable hackers, it's time to learn how to breed as humans

>>30715857
underrated.

that game was awesome

>>30721756
then it just means those specific rules are bullshit since, by definition, a tournament should be skill vs skill. not how much time was spent on a tauros hatching eggs or soft resetting.

>>30721735
You can know the answers from the start if you study too you mongrel.

>>30720513
No, not really.
In one scenario, you are directly influencing your performance to achieve the big goal.

The other is getting the tools you need for the competition faster.
It would be more like getting pre-made robots to fit in a robotic fight against someone who built their robot from the ground up.

If you were to give your Shedinja Sturdy or Chansey Imposter in a normal OU match, that would be cheating.

>>30721787
I know you think you can hide but you're obviously this idiot.

>>30721735

NOBODY RESPOND

>>30721642
>At the end of the day when the battle starts, hackers have no advantage over you.
Well, unless of course they hack in 6IV mon with event specific moves that boost said mon's usefulness which normally would be nigh impossible to do.

So, I've seen a lot thrown around this thread about the time advantages injectors have over breeders. I just came up with a hypothetical scenario for you all to consider.

A 16 year old without a job, living at home, wants to play in a competitive tournament. Over winter vacation can put in let's say 10 hours a day for team planning, sim testing, and breeding over a one week period.

A 20 year old with a full-time job and an apartment and bills to pay wants to have some fun and compete in a Pokemon tournament. He can only put in 2 or 3 hours a day for team planning, sim testing, and breeding Monday through Friday and 10 hours only on Saturday and Sunday.

Who has the time advantage in this scenario, assuming neither is injecting?

No two people's circumstances are alike, so you can't say everyone who saves time by injecting is gaining an unfair advantage over everyone else.

>>30721742
They will be more successful at breeding too, since they have fewer restrictions on who they breed with.
Nature's a bitch.

>>30721804
It is cheating plain and simple.

>>30721787
Even if you think they are bullshit, they are still the rules.

>>30721787
A tournament puts your breeding/raising skills to work.

>>30721807
You could do that too if you wanted. You would have just had to reset for it, and anticipate that Wish Salamence or whatever would be really, really fucking useful ten years from then. Git Gud, faggot.

>>30721621

That...still makes it part of the game, my anonymous image board friend.

I'm sure people don't join a sports team as an excuse to hit the gym or go through grueling training, but every muscle impulse and maneuver on that Sports Field is a result of everything that happened before that game.

Likewise, every stat, move, and ability a Pokemon has is a result of the breeding and training that happened before any given battle. Those willing to put in the time get to battle with legitimate Pokemon on Battle Spot or VGC or whatever, those unwilling or unable to can simulate it online.

I like hockey, but I have a job and can't magically join my favorite team just because I think I'd be able to do the right things at the right time. But the thing is, I just play hockey games with my friends who also like hockey.

Don't have a hockey metaphor for this but the kids trying to argue that cheating isn't actually cheating are delusional and any argument for injecting is moot as long as stuff like Showdown exists.

>>30721808
The 20 year old. Due to the experience he already has.

>>30721808
From a completely neutral point of view, someone who has more time to spend preparing for a competition SHOULD have an advantage over someone who has less time.

>>30715778
A rule that can not be enforced is the same as one that does not exist. If hacked Pokemon are identical to legit data wise then what difference does it make.
Nobody smart thinks rotating a circle pad around while praying RNGesus smiles down upon you is skill or anything but a waste of time. No actual impact on battling.
The other argument is time which you are given an advantage but if you have time to waste time with Tauros, I doubt it matters much to you.

>>30721808
But the people who want to compete at a high level on ANYTHING need to dedicate a shitton of time into it to be competitive.

This is true for literally any competitive activity. Time is an advantage, ergo the more you have it the better suited you are to compete at a high level.

>>30721716
The thing is why does GF even add that shit in the first place? Now instead of cheaters getting that shit, it's really lucky people getting it. It doesn't make the game any better, it doesn't enhance it in any way. It just adds more retarded barriers.

>>30717632
Who says "You're meant to breed/train your own Pokemon"? Winning a game competitive match does not require you to have breed your Pokemon or got them legitimately. Just knock out the 6 other Pokemon.

>>30715778
Anyone who thinks you don't gain an advantage from cheating is a moron. You have limitless access to as many pokemon and teams as you want.

Unless you're an immortal lich, time is pretty fucking valuable.

>>30721873
>Who says "You're meant to breed/train your own Pokemon"?

The rules?

>>30721808
Yup, I work full time and couldn't go to the gym so I'll just inject steroids to gain muscle.

>>30717691
It's more like "I will just blame this guy genning for the reason why I lost instead of accepting that I need to get better".

>ITT ass blasted moralfags can't make a degree of separation between prep and comp.

Oh no I was supposed to walk to the stadium and I took the bus, woe is the competition, soiled.

>>30721880
>Anyone who thinks you don't gain an advantage from cheating is a moron.

But it's not cheating :^) xD

I agree with you, sadly there really ARE people this dumb and they are in this thread. Hopefully they go back to ribbit in a few weeks after launch dies down or something.

>>30721808
The 20 year old.
The sixteen year old has less battling experiance, and a less developed brain, particularly in the areas of planning and consequences. The 20 year old will be able to more strategically build his team, so he wastes less time breeding a Receiver Passimian or some bullshit, and when the battle actually starts, the 20 year old will be better able to construct a specific plan for this battle, and outplay and out-predict the 16 year old.

>>30721887
That's fine anon.
You just have to realise that it literally falls into the realms of cheating.

>>30721793
even the smartest student can screw up one or 2 question's. having a cheat sheet with every answer gives you that advantage that no one else has, something that pkhex does not do.

>>30721806
never was trying to hide at all lmao

>>30721824
and those rules are meaningless at the end of the day.

>>30721808
exactly what i have been saying. these anons can't just see the bigger picture here lol

>>30721830
not really. it just puts your battling skills to work unless hax is involved

>>30721837
i never said it was not a part of the game fren. i just said people play the game for different reasons.

>>30721894
no reason to even repeat myself. scroll up to see that argument is pointless and proven wrong already

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>>30721873

>>30721869
This is true, but the difference between most other competitive scenes and Pokemon is that the time spent in them is practicing your technique. Breeding Pokemon is not practicing your technique, it is assembling your character.

In essence, it's the same as if a fighting game tournament let you play with customized characters. All of the time you put in to making it look just right could have instead been spent actually improving your skill at the game.

>>30721935
>The debate revolves around the question, when does the battle start?
when the battle starts you retard.

>>30721735

A cheat sheet, not the actual answers to the test.

To relate to the 4th graders in this thread, let's say it's a Chem test. And, let's say this test is just on the Periodic Table. Nothing fancy, just put the letters in the right squares.

You could study this. You could take time out of your day every day for a week and memorize each and every element. Or, you could bring a print-out of an image of the Periodic Table you found on the internet, get the same answers as the kids that studied, and immediately become super self-righteous when anyone starts calling you out.

You get pulled to the principal's office, they call your parents. "But wait!" you cry, "My answers are indistinguishable from what the kids who studied put down!"

Honestly, people getting the strongest iterations of the strongest pokemon for free is what irked me about injectors at first, but now it's just how hard people are starting to reach, to the point where I am literally seeing posts in this and many other threads going "It's not cheating because I'm getting the same results as someone who didn't cheat!" At admit you're cheating at the japanese pocket monsters game and feel rightfully ashamed as you either A) sweep some kid's in-game team or B) ragequit the moment you start losing against someone with an identical injected team.

>>30721922
Damn nigger you trying to argue a million people at once. Nigger you dumb. Look how many people disagree with you, it's because you're wrong.

>>30721808
The 20 year old, since by the time he has his team ready, the 16 year old only maxed out his Lilliegant's affection in refresh

Autism's a bitch ;)

>>30719685
That's not really even an advantage (even if counterfits were free). If you had the same deck as your opponent, but one of you has all their cards counterfitted, the better player wins.

>>30721935
>Within the confines of the battle itself, hackers don't have an advantage.
They do, they cheat mid tournament now.

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>>30721471
You are telling me right now that you WOULDNT take a magic serum that would be available for free to everyone who wants to take it, has no downsides other than moral ambiguity, and lets people who normally wouldnt have the time or right tools/equipment/money to work out skip all that to lead healthy lives in peak human fitness without much hassle or worry?

No one in their right mind would pass that offer up unless they actively enjoy doing all that working out, and if they DO enjoy that, no one is taking that option away from them.

Just like no one is taking breeding and all that away from serious "legitimate" competitive players if that is what they want to do. It just gives the rest of us without the time to donate to breeding and SRing the ability to focus on actually battling instead of what many would consider shitty grind-y busy work

>>30721922
>even the smartest student can screw up one or 2 question's.
Study harder anon, or Lillie will get mad and put you in her vag-I mean bag.

>>30721951
And the 16 year old has fully EV trained his Pokemon. In a nice, well balanced spread, so his mixed Machamp (japanese name) can use Fire Blast effectively.

>>30721952
Being able to use cards you don't own would be considered an advantage.

>>30721849
>>30721918
The point of these hypothetical situations is to assume that everything else outside of the information given is equal. The 20 year old may have more life experience, but what if they were never very intelligent and the 16 year old is a genius? This information is superfluous to the point of the argument.

>>30721937
But the fact that people who don't cheat have to spend all that time assembling their team and hackers don't means hackers get to spend that time practicing battling, thus giving them an advantage.

Back to square 1.

>>30721786

At the very least, I'd imagine we'd see fewer copypaste teams. Interesting VGC finals that don't end in shitty stall war mirror matches are what people generally want, right? Since the battles are what matter, wouldn't that justify having to deal with all of the cartoonishly overexaggerated scrutiny?

It might be called cheating but I don't care, because it's no different than someone downloading a completed save file in Street Fighter so they don't have to waste time beating the story mode a bunch of time to play with their favorite. Its no different than playing the game using your brother's 3ds, you didn't work for the Pokemon your brother trained, but you get to play with them. Thats not considered cheating, but hacking in pokemon, which has the same result for you of not having to waste your time, is considered cheating. So I don't care, and I will continue to cheat so I don't waste my time and I think everyone else should.

>>30721971
I'm pretty sure nobody was arguing about morals, just arguing that some dumb faggot thinks it's not actually cheating. Your example is not really relevant here.

>>30721981
>Just as Wizards of the Coast planned.
Yes. Buy our cards. You're cheating if you don't!

>>30721997
You were doing well until you tried to argue it wasn't cheating again.

>>30721987
they do this now, didn't for vgc '14 with that one notable case. They even go overboard now with some people getting dq's at the london nationals recently for making typos on team sheets.

The punishment isn't terribly severe for illegalities however, merely lose the illegal pokemon rather than get totally disqualified.

>>30721949
and yet that image of the periodic table still gives you an advantage no one else has on the test itself. that is the advantage since everyone taking said test has the same amount of time to complete it. very different compared to pkhex vs legit breeding/SRing.

>>30721991
So, an imaginary scenario that exists only to preload an answer in favor of a particular view?
Go on.

>>30721992
And thus Square 1 is GameFreak's own design. If the entire system got a complete overhaul to make the time difference negligible or (optimistically) non-existent, we wouldn't be here having these arguments.

Why can't legitfags understand that cheating the preparation isn't cheating the battle itself.

>>30721992
that is assuming everyone has the same amount of spare time, which they don't.

>>30722018
>last sentence specifically said "and I will continue to cheat"

>>30715778
The reason why ((((Cheating)))) is allowed and sometime encouraged is do to the fact that it allows other to be more creative with team building.

You see, in the 100s of hours you spent at a battle facility, EV Training, Breeding, Soft Reseting, and reaching lvl 100 are all cut by ((((cheating)))). Now those 100 hours are now spent on being creative and testing out teams while not being a NEET fuck that gets all their expenses paid for by their parents and the government.

VGC should follow this idea.

>>30722041
Nobody is claiming cheaters are hacking their games mid battle to raise their crit chance or anything like that.

>>30721808

Being a 20-year-old with a full-time job means you can't really afford to get fully invested in competitive anything. The only 20-year-olds with full-time jobs playing college football are the 20-year-olds who are getting paid full time to play college football.

It's almost like recreational competition is a luxury, which can only be afforded by those with the time to invest in it. Playing Pokemon with the strongest team in big tournaments or anywhere isn't anyone's god-given right, anyone who thinks not having enough time to invest in leisurely competition gives them justification to cheat in said competition should see a shrink.

>>30721971
I wouldnt, firstly because it is wrong to use that serum, secondly because it is against the rules to use it, and thirdly because allowing its use forces everyone to use it in order to be succesful, and those who dont are pretty much obligated to work with their sub par bodies (since peak human condition is only theoretically possible, everyone has flaws).

>>30722035
Realized I probably worded this a bit wrong. What I meant was if there was an overhaul that reduced the required time investment negligible or non-existent.

>>30715778
name one 'competitive' game that has a preparation more soaked in RNG and wasted time than pokemon, I garuntee you anything that comes close will have the same amount of cheating that has a blind eye turned to it.

>>30722073
So cheating in Pokemon is a Jewish plot?

Damn, when I least expect them, they're there. I got outsmarted by the eternal Jew again.

>>30722041
Because no one is saying that you're cheating the Battle as much as you're cheating the game. Which you are, you're using outside software to alter the game and bypass the mechanics of it.

>>30722094
Sound like a bunch of autistic twats.

>>30722104
prep =! battling

>>30722115
it's still cheating faggot. how does it feel knowing you cheat?

>>30722115
>prep =! battling

Irrelevant.

>>30721887

(You) and everyone who has ever cried about their cheating not being cheating because they "just want to battle" would be very interested in pokemonshowdown dot com

Tip: Simulators exist for people who don't want to invest in doing the real thing

>>30722102
Anything involving dice has more RNG and preparation over pokemon considering how tabletop games function. Did you mean video games? The same thing can be applied.

>>30720513
Why do I see this almost exact comment on so many of those exposed videos Verlisify has made.

>>30721716
preparation affects battling, see >>30722115

>>30722131
Not him but I don't give a shit. I would get no satisfaction out of wasting hours of my time not having fun in a video game that I bought to have fun, just to say I got Pokemon legit while everyone else is having fun actually battling with their hacked pokemon.

>>30722158
screwed that up, the replies should be reversed

>>30722115
You're still cheating regardless.

>>30716460
I think most of the pokemon community over age 12 are too

Preparation IS part of the game's design and avoiding that part is cheating

But the thing is easy access to everything makes the game much more enjoyable and pushes the meta forward, so it's a necessary sacrifice

If Game Freak made breeding instantaneous, IVs accessible and easily manipulated (none of this level 100 bullshit) and made a version of Super Training for EVs that was actually fun, you'd STILL have people injecting their mons.

And that's fine, because injecting yields the exact same results as breeding.

>>30722157
because verlisify's fans consider that an actual argument despite being incredibly easy to prove wrong

>>30721922

People do play the game for different reasons. Doesn't stop the other reasons for being part of the game, though, my cherished but misguided online companion.

>>30722131
I don't really give a fuck about cheating something I don't care about, the prep. Good thing I don't cheat the actual battles then isn't it.

>>30722136
Relevant.

>>30722158
That sounds like a 'you' problem and not a 'me' problem.
>my personal issues effects what is and isn't cheating!

>>30722170
Oh diddums. What you gonna do about it?

I suppose in the end the only way I'm going to get any sleep tonight is to concede that humans are stubborn and it's likely none of us here will ever see eye-to-eye on the matter.

This place hasn't tainted me enough yet it seems. I'll respect your opinions even if I don't agree with them. Good night, autists.

>>30722208
See you next thread.

>>30722146
He meant RNG as a barrier to actually playing rather than the actual game having RNG elements. You don't have to make your own pieces to play a tabletop game. Breeding has nothing to do wtith the actual battling part.

Why are cheaters such insufferable cancer?

>>30721716
you don't even need 0 attack IV. that foul play will still be a #hko as long as your atk IV is still low. there are also communities out there that help legitimate players to speed up that time.

>>30722194
I never said those other reasons aren't part of the game fren

>>30722180
>a version of Super Training for EVs that was actually fun
I found Super Training way more fun than grinding Hordes, SOS chaining or just fighting the same mons over and a over and over.

Man, injectors never seem to get it.

No one cares about the end result at the end of the day you have to use legal sets and mon. The problem lies when you act as if save altering and hacking is a legitimate part of the game and say that you aren't cheating.
You are literally using unintended methods to achieve your results. How can anyone think otherwise?

>>30722223
t. "legit" player with a hacked 6 IV Ditto

>>30722146
But that's not really a good comparison at all.

In tabletops, the prep IS the game, the adventure itself is everything. If it were just preparing for one fight then why wouldn't you just go ahead and make a character for that without the dice rolls? Or if dice rolls are part of it, then you have no way of influencing the outcome and could just be stuck with no attacks mcgee with no defence.

>>30722180
>jacking off into a syringe and "injecting" your sperm after the bull pleasures your girl is the same as sex because it yields the exact same results
This is (You)

>>30722223
Lack of integrity and ethics, either from being underage or some other more serious cause.

>>30722236
>Trying to defame others and make out they are as bad as you are.

Well at least you admit you're bad. Very weak and desperate comeback though.

>>30722195
>admits he's cheating
>Lol whatevs xD
It's a competition anon, you must follow the rules.

>>30722231
No one ever said it wasn't cheating. It's literally called hacking. They just don't care.

>>30722251
seems like I've hit a nerf on this cuck :^)

>>30722259
>No one ever said it wasn't cheating.

Read the thread

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reminder that if anime were to become real cheaters would be against it because they wouldn't want their waifus to know

cheaters are literally anti anime

>>30722257
rules aren't rules if they have no way to enforce them.

Here's a rule: kill yourself. If you don't you can't post anymore. It's a rule, you gotta.

>>30722259
>No one ever said it wasn't cheating
This thread is filed with people who think otherwise anon.

>>30722231
who even says that save altering is a part of the game anyways? it is just a way around the monotonous RNG aspects that some people either do not have time for or just do not want to do since they only enjoy battling in the game.

>>30722257
Thats not true, if it was, all the top VGC players and everyone online wouldn't be hacking.

>>30722260
Complete miss actually. It makes you look pretty pathetic that your response is simply to accuse others of cheating too. It actually makes you seem really really small.

>>30722238
How athletes use steroids isn't like a regular person taking allergy meds with steroids, it will actually fuck your body up longterm

>>30722274
>We just want to have fun.
At the expense of others.

>>30722272
The anime is terrible.

>>30722275
>rules aren't rules if they have no way to enforce them.
is this that 'if a tree falls in a forest and no one was there to hear it, did it actually make a sound' bullshit

>>30722230
It's fine if you're right-handed. Awkward as fuck for lefties.

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Lillie is never coming back from Kanto because of cheaters

>>30722286
>n-no you
more tears cucklord

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I feel like there are several arguments going on at once here and people are getting confused about what they're arguing against.

>>30722030

What difference does time to complete make, though? Let's say in this test, you have a half hour to write down all the elements. Everyone who has memorized them could write them down in the same amount of time it would take you (the cheater) to constantly glance at your sheet and copy what you see.

I'm not really sure what sort of parallel you were trying to make with "time to complete" as a factor. Maybe you meant "time to study," but not everyone has the same amount of study time, just as not everyone has the same amount of time to breed.

In both cases, if you can't afford to invest the time required it would take you to not cheat, you probably can't afford to worry about whatever you're cheating about in the first place. If you can't study for your college courses because you're holding down 3 part-time jobs, that doesn't mean you can justify cheating in all your classes, it means you can't justify getting that degree.

>>30722240
Stay mad. I breed my Pokemon, I just don't give a fuck how other people play their own games.

>>30722293
The others aren't disadvantaged by it even if they're legitfags. Which they probably aren't. I doubt any top competitive player can be bothered to breed and SR.

>>30722316
>using a third party hacking tool to extract and edit your save using system exploits
>playing the game

Pick one

>>30722073

Ah, right, it uh, allows others to be more "creative" with team building.

Competitive Pokemon has always been so creative, hasn't it? All injecting does is speed up the cycle of flavor-of-the-month, don't kid yourself.

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I don't really care what people do with their games but lowkey I wish hacking wasn't a thing in VGC. Some guy literally genned his pokemon in the tournament hall.

Being a cheater automatically doesn't make you a loser, but all cheaters are. It's the same way being a numale with hipsters glasses automatically isn't degenerate, but they always are anyway. It is the mark of a bad human being. You just don't find good people in cheater populations.

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>>30722272
actually it's not how you're born its what you do with your life that matters. If those trainers treat their pokemon good regardless of where they came from they're no less trainers than you.

>>30722329
>people aren't disadvantaged by not hacking
>but no one plays competitive without hacking because everyone does and they need to do it to be on even ground
>"""""people aren't disadvantaged by not hacking"""""

incredible

This thread is dumb as fuck. Also, cheating at Pokémon is pretty pathetic.

>>30722306
Lol look how bitter you are. and le cuck word. Nice one buddy. I probably shouldn't have even responded to this but you are pretty sad.

It's simple I don't care about stupid rules, or laws, that I don't agree with. In Saudi Arabia, it's illegal to have sex with a man or insult Muhammad or you'll be killed. I don't suddenly care about those rules because they're rules, and I don't care if anyone breaks them, and if people break those rules, I don't think they should face any punishment. Same here, breeding is a waste of a bunch of hours of work for something that you can get the same result for in 2 minutes, it's a stupid rule, so I will break it and not care about it.

>>30722329
>>30722330
Several people have already said it.
Event moves
Hidden power
HAs
And so on give you a very clear advantage over legitimate players.

>>30722299
If a tree falls in a forest and no one was there to hear it, did it actually make a sound?
If a hacker hacks some pokemon and no one can prove they're hacked, are they hacked?

People get philosophy degrees for this shit.

>>30722346
That's just having balls of steel. Also goes to show how much the officials actually care.

>>30722281
is there any proof top VGC players hack in tournaments though?

no there is not.

>>30722315
getting a perfect score on a test because of a cheat sheet actually affects you later in life since you don't actually know that shit. now lets take pkhexing for tournaments. pkhexing in your mons for tournaments does not affect your battling skills used to win that tournament. unlike getting that perfect grade due to a cheat sheet, pkhex isnt an "insta-win" at all and provides no advantages.

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How do they live with themselves knowing she would hate them if she was real?

>put "competitive" and "cheating" in the OP
>350 replies, 30 images not shown
every fucking time

>>30722274

Showdown. Some might say it's...easier than cheating.

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>>30722384
>is there any proof top VGC players hack in tournaments though?
>no there is not.

Oh boy where should I even start

>>30722384
Yes there is. But I don't go around collecting the info. It's just common sense.

>>30722393
I actually enjoy these threads.

>>30722384
Please just kill yourself already you damn idiot.

>>30722405
Don't start. That guys an idiot, recognise him by his lowercase and don't reply.

>>30722405
It's hilariously transparent.

VGCfags used to do it on private IRC channels, now they do it out in the open on Twitter and no one gives a fuck.

Wish there was a format that incorporated the preparation int the battle.

Like say you had 1 hour to assemble a team from scratch and then fight with it, or maybe even 10 minutes because 1 hour is obtuse. You get to bring exactly one pokemon for catching/breeding/whatever. As many pokeballs as you want but no masterballs.

>>30722380
>If a tree falls in a forest and no one was there to hear it, did it actually make a sound?
Answer, yes. Sound just doesn't cease to exist if no one is there to experience it. On that note humans can never experience a true silence unless they're deaf.
>If a hacker hacks some pokemon and no one can prove they're hacked, are they hacked?
Answer again is yes for the same reason as above. The action doesn't cease if there's no one there to experience it.

>>30722370
Why compete in a tournament with rules you dont agree with? Why move to Saudi Arabia if youre not going to follow their rules? Why move to America if youre not going to follow their rules?

You keep saying it's a stupid rule, but you have literally no good argument for it being stupid. You're like the kids who think having to pass Algebra is stupid yet their only argument is "muh fish cant be judged for not climbing a tree" bullshit.

>>30722316

If this was people playing against Battle Tree AI in a way that didn't interact with anyone every, then sure, maybe.

"Their own games" becomes potentially many peoples' games the moment it becomes competitive, and, god forbid, the moment you could win (or lose) money for it.

Rules are there for a reason. Cheating is a punishable offense for a reason.

>>30722425
But you can't prove that the tree made a sound, what if it didn't huh? Think of that? :^)

>>30722366
>he's STILL replying
So your autism triggers when you're not the one finishing an argument? Alright then, feel free to reply to this post. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

>>30722423
>Hidden power is not cheating.
However it is an advantage cheaters will have over legitimate players.

Which was the point.

>>30722403

Here's your (You)

>>30722423
Hidden power should really be removed. It's not even a thing outside of tournaments anyway, where it exists only as cancer giving cheaters an edge. Make it an early game move with way lower power, problem solved.

>>30722380
The first one is a question to introduce to qualia shenanigans and what not. That's why it's philosophical

The second one is more like "if no one can prove I beat my wife then I dont, even if I do" tier.

>>30722313
The difference is the way they're using the substance, not the substance itself. Athletes are taking much higher doses of steroids.

>>30722427
>Why move to
terrible example, you're often born there with no ability to leave.

>>30722436
You don't have to prove the sound of the tree. Just that one fell.

>>30722472
But what if it didn't make a sound when it fell huh

>>30722466
Youre welcome to Sweden ;)

>>30722354
No it's because breeding and resetting legendaries is fucking boring and I don't think people who bought the game to battle would want to bother, not because there's no way to be on even ground without hacking. There is a way. The way is just repetitive and not fun or interesting at all.

>>30722482
Unless you're in a vacuum everything makes a sound.