This is your current VGC meta! He was born today at the UK International

could be worse

At least two of my faves (Araquanid and Ninetales) made it in top 5.

>>30679904
It's nice to see Milotic there

>>30679904
Better than the meta we've had for the 2 or 3 years prior.

>>30679904
>Araquanid

>>30679904
>Spaniard
>Italian
>Italian
>English
>Greek
>Polish
>English
>English

Not a single muslim? Weird for London

>Gigalith

Told you it was good.

>>30679993
They exploded of happiness after their first win.

>>30679904
Everything except Hariyama and the Tapu has a good design. Better than genies.

is that variety I see?

>>30679993
Arash got so buttblasted at getting rekt today he said he wouldn't play anymore this year. Comedy gold.

>>30680046
>first two don't share a single mon between them
Beautiful

>tapus on every single team
This is why competetive is boring.

>>30680173
Ben doesn't have one.

>>30680046
almost every team has a tapu, a UB, and Porygon.

>>30679904
MUCH better than ORAS's meta.

NO THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DIVERSITY IN VGC!!!!

SMOGON TOLD ME VGC IS BAD!!!!!

>>30680173
>>30680208
there should be (one) Tapu on every Gen7 team tbfamh, they're iconic

>>30679904
Is the xurkitree on michele gavali's team choice scarfed?

>>30680173
How is it boring? When you play chess you play with the same "team" that the enemy plays with; it's how you play the game against your opponent's way of playing the game that makes it fun.

>>30680173
>>30680208
>Baaaaaw there's variety but it's not ENOUGH variety!
You faggots are proof that no matter what you'll never be satisfied. You'll just move the goalpost more and more and more forever.

>>30680270
Pokebank isn't here yet.

>90% of that meta were almost tests

Some words from Sekiam and some friends.

>>30680173
This is like using either Groudon-Xerneas OR Kyogre-Rayquaza. It will get worse, we will see people using two Tapus' combo and worse stuff.


But, still funny. We are all having fun building the new meta. I'm impatient to see this late-meta.

>>30680006
tfw people called me a shitter for hyping gigalith in VGC once we learned it got sand stream

who's laughing now sub 1750 scrubs?

>>30680419
and even if it comes that time, you cant use more than alolan dex

>>30679993
>Polish
Holy shit I'm proud someone even plays SM in my country

>>30679993
>>30680474
>Polish
Nils is from SWEDEN YES!

>>30680424
>we will see people using two Tapus' combo and worse stuff.
Why would that be such a bad thing?

>>30680020
Don't talk shit about my SuMo bro!

>>30680526
MUH VARIETY
MUH HEALTHY META
MUH PACHIRISU
HOW DARE PEOPLE USE WHAT'S GOOD AND TRY TO WIN
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW

That's why

>>30679904
How does Ben Kyriakou's team work? Very interesting.

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>>30680573
If people want variety, they can watch Tekken 7 finals. That's a game where every character is meant to be completely balanced while having distinct playstyles.

Pokemon is not even designed that way. Not all pokemon are meant to be good, or balanced completely, with each other. That's just not the way that the game was designed. Gumshoos is not designed to be competitively equal to tapu bulu. If they are disappointed about stuff like that then they should play a different game or not care about VGC. There is really no use in whining about it.

>>30680310
Definitely, it gets shredded to pieces if not.

>>30680173

o play with your mewtwo and butterfree in the pokemon league then.
Maybe if you don't suck, you can try get a 10win streak at the battle tree some day.

>>30680677
Alas, if only were as wise an understanding as you are instead of little whiny bitches. Doesn't help that 99% of the people complaining about those things don't even play comp.

>>30680677
>Gumshoos is not designed to be competitively equal to Tapu Bulu
Fukken Liar!

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>>30679904
it's an improvement over the last 2 years at least

>>30680677
>umshoos is not designed to be competitively equal to tapu bulu
No of course not, but there should be more than 10 viable pokemon out of a roster of 800

>>30680764
Agreed, but to be fair, only roughly 300 are available in this meta.

>>30679904
>Pelipers, Gigaliths and Politoad
Weather is back?

>>30679904
I really, really, REALLY like this meta

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>>30680677
i don't expect every single mon to be top tier like the tapus etc. but i surely don't want them to be THIS bad, pic related

>>30679904

moveset for tapu koko?

why are people using muk?

>>30680764
>but there should be more than 10 viable pokemon out of a roster of 800
Why?

First of all, that is not the case, but second of all, why would it matter even if not?

>>30680841
The plural of Pelipper and Gigalith is just Pelipper and Gigalith.

You forgot A-Ninetales.

Now we need mons that set up the Rooms (Magic, Wonder and Trick).

>>30680926
Gen 8 sub-legendary trio

>>30679904
Alright, I'm a retard, so tell me, why Porygon2 instead of PorygonZ?

>>30680841
Weather was only kill in singles. In gen 6 doubles it was still a viable albeit niche playstyle since doubles matches are typically much shorter than singles.

>>30680870
>why are people using muk?
To kill Tapus.

>Ninetales
>Milotic
>Oranguru
>No Tapu
Ben is a cool guy.

>>30680615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo8tb1do1Ic

>>30680926
meant to
>>30680841

>>30680870
Timid, Life Orb/Sash, Thunderbolt, Discharge (to avoid Lightning Rod), Dazzling Gleam, Protect. Generic EVs (252 SpA and Spe, 4 whatever).

Muk is good at stopping the Tapus and most UBs. It's also the only viable Knock Off user.

>>30680854
Then why don't you blame Gamefreak? Why do you blame Smogon when they are actually creating enviroment where even things like Ledian can thrive one way or another?

>>30680963

how exactly is it good at stopping tapus?

>>30680946
Bulk

>>30680975
Gee, I don't know. Maybe because he can fucking kill them with Poison STAB?

>>30681000

why, are the tapus weak to poison?

>>30680975
It has great (both offensive and defensive) typing that walls most of their STABs really well, not to mention that it's bulky and hits relatively hard.

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>had an image from 1997 Japanese Nationals that contained nothing but Jolteon, Tauros and Alakazam on every team
>cannot find said image
Creativity goes to die in competitive gaming, and it's no different on each Smogon tier as it is in VGC.

>>30681036
Are you retarded?

Did they ban more than one UB and Tapu per team?
I was sure there would be 2 Tapu, 2UB per team.

>>30680526
Well, like >>30680573 ironizes, yeah, I prefer to be beaten from something I didn't expect that from another Kyogre that has a really slightly different build that gives him the victory.
I want to say "well, I lost because I was a worse player that him becuase I didn't thought a way to beat 'em all" instead of "fuck, I lost because the speed tie".

Limiting the 'dex is a way to do this, like VGC'14 did, and what VGC'17 looked that would do, but maybe I'm talking soon about that. Maybe mid-meta is still that different.

>>30681068
They didn't, Tapus simply don't work that well together.
Same for UBs except Celesteela, I do wonder why there's not a Celesteela in every team.

>>30680971
i'm not blaming anyone, i was only replying to that anon

>>30681123
I was sure there was going to be at least a combo of Celesteela, Pheromosa and Toxapex, but there isn't a single toxapex there, surprised me.

>>30681154
Because VGC is doubles, not singles. Pheromosa dies too quickly and Toxapex is simply not viable in a 2v2 format.

>>30681170
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that. That explains all the porygons and gastrodons.

>>30679904
More diverse than I expected. Not bad.

>>30680208
Tapu is a classification of four different pokemon, and ultra beast is a classification of seven different pokemon. What an idiotic metric.

>>30680854
No pokemon should be as bad as Ledian, and it annoys me how gamefreak goes through the effort of buffing Ariados and giving him a new signature move and he's still completely unusable. Why even bother wasting the programming time?

>>30679904
I expected worse desu. There's a decent variety.

>>30680971
what are you even talking about?

What were the Gastrodons running?

>Leftovers?

> Scald
> Protect?
> Toxic?
> Ice Beam / Recover ?

>>30681042
>>30681042
found it for you, also read this, interesting stuff.
http://nuggetbridge.com/blogs/entry/1391-a-history-of-japanese-competitive-pokemon-1996-and-1997/

>>30680764
For starters, image in OP has 27.

>>30679960
this

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>Marowak's been one of my favorite designs since I played Red
>Fire has always been my favorite type
>Alola Marowak combines one of my favorite Pokémon with my favorite type
>mfw it then turns out to be relevant in competitive

>>30681499
You remind me of that faggot who in a thread like this one made a post very similar to yours but instead of being happy his bro was good he was upset instead and said he wouldn't use him ever again. Man, what a faggot.

>>30681397
I think there was one on the day1 stream with Normalium Z, Stockpile, Recover, Scald, and Toxic.

>>30681579
>not being happy your bro is good
>being actively upset that competitive players would DARE to use him
Hipsters ruin everything.

>>30681678
That's why I dislike Karenfags. They revel on their "bro" being shit and wear it like a badge of honor. It annoys me when they shit on people whose bro is a good Pokemon just because the Pokemon is good. Filthy two-faced hypocrites.

Also, found him in the archives.

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/30485453/#30488648
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/30485453/#30489575

Just look at this tremendous faggot. Like holy shit.

VGC would be perfect if they simply banned every single legendary.

>>30681787
And then you'd be bitching about Garchomp, Mence and whatever thing ends up dominating the meta instead.

Also, yeah, better ban those horrifying Articuno and Regigigas. They are worse than Rayquaza and Groudon and Kyogre combined.

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>>30679904
> have been shitstomping people left and right with FREEDOM BIRD on Showdown

Murrica, FUCK YEAH!

> Tailwind
> Rockslide

But the fun doesn't stop there

> Gyarados Intimidate activated
> Braviary's attack fell
> Braviary's Defiant!
> Braviary's attack sharply rose
> Braviary's adrenaline orb!
> Braviary's speed rose!

And then Brave Bird, and Shadow Claw. Shadow Claw deals with A-Wak/Oranguru/Lele-chan. Brave Bird is just a nuke. Might run a Z-crystal if Adrenaline orb is too gimmicky, but already have a Gyarados with Waterium-Z pn the squad.

>>30681849
>what is Mamoswine
>what are fairies
and fuck Articuno and Regigas, I don't give a shit about collateral damage.

>>30679904
Not bad variety for VGC.

>>30681072
>I want to say "well, I lost because I was a worse player that him becuase I didn't thought a way to beat 'em all" instead of "fuck, I lost because the speed tie".
Wrong, you lost because you're so fucking retarded that you entrusted the outcome of an important battle to a coin flip.

There are dozens of ways to avoid speed tie situations and there is no reason for you to confront that situation if you don't want to. If you decide to go ahead straight into a speed tie situation and then lose the speed tie, it's your fucking fault and you shouldn't whine about it.

>>30679904
Remove Tapus

>>30681884
>What is Mamoswine
A Pokemon that is not allowed right now.

>What are fairies
You mean like the Tapus? Because Mence and Garchomp are still everywhere despite this being Tapus The Meta.

>and fuck Articuno and Regigas, I don't give a shit about collateral damage.
So you admit to simply being an hypocrite. Got it.

>>30679904
I'm glad that Oranguru and Muk are in there.

>>30681939
Mence and Chomp have clear checks and counters, namely anything with ice or fairy coverage.
>strong pokemon are used a lot
holy shit

Legendaries should have no place in competitive play because they only provide a barrier to entry
>yeah I totally found this 6IV shiny Landorus by chance :^)

>>30681934
I know a bait-reply like that would've come.
Yes, there are a lot of way to avoid them, but even trying to avoid them, I still got them. 12, 36, 252, EVs, less or full IVs. It has been a fucking inferno.

There has been some at these lives today and yesterday, but not most of these games were lost because of that.

>>30681852

>Shadow Claw
>Dealing with Oranguru

Oranguru is Normal/Psychic and I learned this the bad way by trying to hit it with Shadow Bone.

>>30680764
At least we got a rooster out of 10 viable pokemon

>>30679904
>remove genies, xern and pdon
>suddenly the meta opens up and has a ton of new and fun strats with pokemon that never wouldve seen the light of day
>fucking gigalith won a tournament
>porygon 2 is one of the premier walls
>arcanine and gyarados are filling the void left by lando
>marowak is seen as an anti-meta pickup because its amazing
>the only really stupid UB is celesteela because its fucking skarmory with leech seed
>fucking gigalith is seeing use

this is already far and away the best meta VGC has had

>>30682077
You're a bad battler then.

>>30682194
Thanks, I'm improving. Tell me when you won any tournament.

What happened to the fag that was running a Beast Ball Porygon2?

>>30682013
>Mence and Chomp have clear checks and counters
So do every legendary. Yes, even P-Groudon/Kyogre and Mega-Fug.

Why can't you do it? It's rather simple. But I guess whining about it is easier, right?

>because they only provide a barrier to entry
So does breeding. I guess we must ban every Pokemon then?

>>30682214
>You can't call my food shit unless you cook better than I do!
Marvelous argument friend.

Can't help but notice people in VGC don't nickname their Pokemon? Is that a rule or is it just a:
>nicknaming a Pokemon that can be seen all around the world

>>30679904
I wish I knew anything about competitive to feel happy about this
At least I'm glad Gastrodon gets love

>>30682283
you can't breed legendaries
the prevalence of legendaries only encourages blatant injecting.
>literally defending VGC2016

>>30681772
I mean, I am a Karenfag. None of my bros, until now, have been relevant. But I don't like them BECAUSE of that.

Hell, Karen's line was
>Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.

By refusing to use a Pokémon because it's strong, he's still subscribing to "the selfish perception of people" and not trying to win with his favorites.

>>30682301
i think it uses the same system as online to scrub nicknames

or maybe VGC players are heartless monsters who dont name their bros for injection

>>30682318
It's never too late to learn anon. Just don't become a whiny faggot like so many others.

>>30682332
Then blame Gamefreak and their shitty rules and formats and even worse balancing. Not the players that do the best with the shitfest they are given.

>>30682377
>>30682301
>>i think it uses the same system as online to scrub nicknames
This. Can't let little Timmy watching the stream with his soccer mommy get offended.

>>30682230
He realized he had a hacked Porygon, so he dropped the tournament. He really didn't mean to have something like that, but he also didn't know it was illegal and that one of his friends hacked the mon into the game.

He also locked his Twitter so Verlis and his minions don't mock him endlessly.

>>30682433
>He realized he had a hacked Porygon, so he dropped the tournament.
[citation needed]

I keep hearing 100 different stories about what happened to him and none has ever been sourced.

anyone got a link to the Polish guys matches? surprised to see Politoed still being used

>>30680946
Porygon z is much harder to use.

>>30679904
Better than fucking GenieCHALK

I'm with >>30681787 legendaries (and ultra beasts) in general are shitty and give too much creedence to hacking

>>30682139
FUG

You're right. Never had to use it, but good to remember. My Muk usually deals with orangurus.

>>30682377
>>30682412

Well that makes sense I suppose, a bit bummed because some people can think of some clever names

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>It's a people from /vp/ who don't play competitive talking about competitive episode

>>30682460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9q2KHxHZt4

You don't have to watch the entire video.

>>30682490
That's not what I asked you dummy, everyone and their mom knows that the Porygon was injected. What I'm asking is source regarding his statement about the guy dropping the tourney for his fuck-up.

Last I heard the guy was allowed to keep playing but was penalized by not being allowed to use the Porygon anymore AND that he wouldn't receive CP no matter his placing, and again, it was unsourced.

>>30682214
>"There is just no way to battle except for speed tying my kyogre against his kyogre!!!!!!!! this is really stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!! fuck competitive battling this is really gay!!!!!!!"
Actually there are about 14 different ways to get past that situation even if you assume you both brought kyogre

>"NUH UH I have been trying to do that and it always keeps happening again and again and again!!!!"

It sounds like you're just bad at battling if you can't come up with a way to get around that.

>"YOU DIDN'T WIN ANY TOURNAMENTS SO STOP TALKING TO ME!!!!!!!!"

Oh ok so we're just shitposting now then.

>>30682544
Watch the fucking video. All you have to do is watch literally a single second of it.

>>30682544
Oh, nevermind. It seems that he did. Still, what a extreme reaction. He's even gonna stop playing completely.

>>30682574
Yeah, just did. Sorry.

>>30681410
wow this is really interesting, and also TPCi hasn't still learned how to organize a good tournament after 20 years.

>>30680946
Eviolite makes Porygon2 a BULKY DUCK. Who refuses to die. Has Recover to heal up. Can run coverage in bolt-beam. Can run trick room.

It's just a super reliable mon.
Porygon-Z is more a singles mon(Z-conversion is hilarious in singles btw)

>>30681036
They're all Fairies Anon.
Bulu especially melts to a poison jab.

>>30682301
>>30682301
Nickname don't appear.
All my mon were nicknamed but during battle they appear in normal.VGC is played under a very specific system that you can't access in game.

>>30679904
Wait, did Wolfe lose?

>>30683109
Yes, mostly because he had to play with 5 mons today due to him making a mistake in the team sheet.

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>>30679904
>Arcanine
What does it do?

>>30683193
>>30683109

just shows how important porygon 2 is, since that was the mon wolfe was unable to lose.

>>30683266
Fire type attacks, decent bulk, decent speed.

>>30682490
well now i know what pokemon to hac- i mean breed

>>30683296
I think knowing how to read and write are the truly important skills to have here.

What item is on Ben's Oranguru? I didn't see it use an item in the replay i watched yesterday.

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My giant wife is meta! META!

>all top 8 are dudes

disgusting sexism from gamefreak i see

>>30683374
The only "girl" that plays is a tranny.

If it makes you better a little girl from Chile won the Juniors tourney.

>>30683266
>>30683330
Not to forget: Snarl, Intimidate, actual BULK on a Fire Type. (Once Inineroar gets Intimidate best doggo is going to the kennel though)

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>>30683374
>he thinks girls play pokemon competitively

>Araquanid
We in this boys

>>30683398
oh god what if the starters were actually balanced around VGC and not the Smogon format and that's why they seem shitty?!

>>30683619
if they were balanced around the vgc, they did a good job at not showing up at all.

>>30683619
Decidueye and Primarina are still shit.

The owl has no niche and the tranny seal is completely outclassed by Fini.

Baracat is the only one that's getting any use and will become a common view if it's HA ever gets released.

>>30683109
>>30683193

He didn't have it DQ'd, there was another guy with Pory2 who wrote it as Porygon. Wolfe was mostly complaining about Markus getting teamsheeted into going 1-4 in day 2. Wolfe himself went 11-3 and bubbled due to resistance, only 3 players out of 9 with that record could make top 8.

>>30683419
There's a few good girls in VGC other than Trista (who nearly made top 8) desu, one of them went 7-0 in Liverpool (and lost the top 16 while several 4-3's qualified to it, and got no CP lol). Still relatively few, so the odds aren't good.

>>30683740
>Trista
>Girl

>>30683740
>tfw a friend lost to a tranny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onoKbDC4_vE

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>>30679904
>Gigalith

My favourite gen 5 mon is getting used

>>30685053
What's more embarrassing? Losing to a girl o to a tranny?

>>30685218
Losing to a girl is embarrasing.

Losing to a tranny is __hot__.

>>30685249
Gay.

Where are the Germans. Where are Yoshi and Wolfey ?
Anyone know if any Belgian in the top 50?

>>30685305
>Where are the Germans. Where are Yoshi and Wolfey ?
They all got rekt and whining in Twitter like the little bitches they are.

>>30679904
>Hariyama
explain. Muk is kind of surprising too, are they using its HA?

>>30685542
Hariyama is one of the only fake out users in Alola and one of the few fighting types (for killing Porygon).

Most of the Muks are running gluttony and one of the nature berries that restore 50% hp.

>>30685601
Can you imagine the mayhem a HA Alola Muk would cause?

>>30680971
That's not even really true when they push OU as "the one true Meta" and everything else as "yeah I guess if you really want but you're weird for liking it" metas.

>>30685731
It's not consistent enough. Its HA is available already too.

>>30685790
True, but it has a lot of potential. Its a defensive mon with great defensive typing, and you could pass on any ability to it. Sure, having your pokemon faint is a bad thing, but something something sacrifice greater good.

>>30685835
Name one ability that would even be semi-relevant.

>>30686190
Fur coat

>>30686237
Gimmick.

>>30686272
A-Muk's HA is a gimmick because something has to die for it to work, but giving it good shit like Fur Coat (or even Levitate to get rid of its only weakness without Air Balloon) could be cool.

It's like the whole Sturdy Shedinja gimmick strat.

>>30679904

>Aololan raichu without tapu koko

what the fuck is wrong with you nils?

>>30679904

That's not bad at all.

I want tapus to fucking leave rreeeee and all of that, but this is much better than primals and pokemon to support primals

>>30686391
everyone else is going to run Tapu Koko and give him free Electric Terrain

>>30679904
>Gigalith

Nice. What set did they run?