>One of the few ashnime characters that show personal development

Yes.
Also DP is best Anime.

Gen 4 was THE golden age of Pokemon when you factor in all forms of media. Games, anime, manga, cards, toys, it was the best.

>>30679660
Correct

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>>30679577
Kenny fuck off, she's not going to fuck you

>>30679660
Gen 4 was the last Gen where both the games and anime were solid, though there isn't enough to form an opinion on the SM anime yet though.

Dawn wasn't just a companion though, she was a second protagonist.

>>30679660
>>30679596
>>30679681
always 2 min difference
nice samefagging

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wwyd to dawn's butt?

>>30679577
Yeah, she is. No doubt about it.

Gen 4 was truly the best. The anime, the games, the Pokemon, the OST, even the competitive meta was great at the time. Gen 3 comes close though

>>30679577
It's not hard to be better than Serena but yeah OP I agree. Dawn was great.

Refreshing to not see everyone unanimously praising Serena as the most kawaiiest waifu ever for once. Guess I go on /padt/ too much.

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>>30682231
>>30682231
>Last gen to have a Stadiumlike game
>Last gen of the Pokemon Ranger subseries
What else I'm missing?

I feel very sad that all of this is gone. Perhaps its for the best. I don't feel confident that BW can continue the spinoffs without fucking up like everything else with GenV and beyond.

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She should have evolved her starter.
Platinum Berlitz can do it, why cant she?

>>30682633
Her Piplup is a faggot that refused to evolve for no good reason.

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dawn a best, DP anime a best, sinnoh a best, platinum a best, ash's sinnoh team a best, paul a best, barry a best, rowan a best, gen IV overall a best.

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>>30682771
I can agree with this.

Pikachu and Piplup were best bros too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLcViUq0DDg

the best japanese opening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8WXCPptZ8A

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I miss her so much

I have only two real issues with the DP anime.
>Kenny
>Ambipom being written out and not even getting to return for the Grand Festival

>>30679660
true

>>30683418
ambipom was fucking ugly anyway. aipom was lovely but once ash traded her it was as good as gone

>>30683292
The song implied that they had the hots for each other

>>30683147
That was actually kinda sad
That fucking music though. Goddamn that music

>>30683292

Not even the best OP of the generation

>>30683292

>serena doesn't even get an OP

>people still think she's the one.

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Game-wise, I appreciate how they handled Dawn's feelings towards the player because its not as overt and forced like a certain someone but is still cute. Mars's teasing at Lake Verity was the icing on the cake.

>>30683292
No this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9ncPS_ejs

>>30684423
this is also excellent

>>30683714
>Dawn's feelings towards the player
Wait what

>>30683714
>not playing as dawn

>>30679752
Sniff

>>30679660
We sucking gen 4 dick now? Aren't sinnoh fetuses a bit too young?

However, I will admit that I agree with your point.

>>30686297
i was in college when gen4 came out and it remains my favourite

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>>30679577
>She's not useless like may
Stopped right there. Sinnohfetuses have gone too far yet again.

>>30686038
>If Dawn finds her way to the player's Villa in Platinum, she will comment on how being with that special someone in a place like the Villa is nice dream to have.
>Also, if the player orders a small sofa, then Dawn will appear and remark on how she is jealous of Lucas, as well as how they have similar tastes.

>Upon discovering the day of the player's birthday, Dawn will say:
>"Is today maybe... Your birthday, <player>?"
>Yes: "Giggle... Congratulations, <player>! And many more happy returns!"

Thats what I can gather,

>>30679577
>not annoying
WAHHH I'M THE WORST TRAINER IN THE WORLD BECAUSE I LOST A CONTEST

Dawn was annoying as fuck

>>30686364
I am serena and i cut of my freaking hair just cause i lost once

>>30682231
>competitive meta
Please tell me more. Does this include HGSS and Pt?

>ITT Sinnohfetuses trying to find a safe space

>>30686338
Most of the thread is one guy samefagging from his mobile.
Just ignore it.

>>30686364
>>30686469
Let's just agree they are both bad

>>30686484
t. unovabortion

What was she even doing in Unova?

>>30679577
Don't forget-
>A literal May clone that didn't play off her cast nearly as well
>took up 90% of the screentime with her useless contests unlike May who had an even split
>was the new companion for the worst season of Pokemon ever
>terrible voice
>owns Piplup, the most annoying shit

The fact that she's so praised on this board only proves the majority of posters are Sinnohfoeti who grew up with gen 4.

>>30686520
having sex with cynthia

>>30686512
Don't liken me to those bottom feeders. I am from the hoennbros master race

>>30686548
oh sorry i thought we were throwing around baseless accusations

>>30686479

It was the last genie free format.

>>30686469
That's not actually why she cut her hair but ok.

>>30686548
> I am from the hoennbros master race
that's even worse

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>>30679577
YES!

What exactly qualifies someone as a Sinnohfetus? Is it based on age, first game, favorite gen, or what?

>>30686670
I started with Hoenn but I romanticize Sinnoh since I grew up with both

>>30686670
>>30686670
what qualifies someone as a Sinnohfetus is liking things that the person calling them that does not like

>>30686512

>Sinnohfetus
>Unovabortion
>KalosZygote
>Alolasperm
>Gen8 DNA?

>>30686697
>>30686697
Kalosperm and Alolasome, dummy

>>30686670
Apparently it's someone who grew up with it as their first or second game and played it when they were kids. Which I don't think applies to most gen 4 fans but it sure does to Hoennbabies

>>30686647
Keep telling yourself that, Sinnohfetus.

>>30686697
Just shorten it to Kalozygote

>genwunner
>literal shit taste
>hoennbaby
>sinnohfetus
>unovabortion
>kalosygote
>alolasperm (alolabortion is better desu)

>>30679710
Why'd that guy even exist? What was his purpose?

>>30686548
Enjoy your shitty region, plot, pokedex and forgettable series of main games

>>30682457
I dropped XY pretty early on; did she ever get a goal besides being Ash's waifu?

>>30679724
So far, the SM anime is turning out to be pretty crap. ...Although that might be just because they're still in the character introduction phase

>>30686851
she kissed him and got on a plane to hoenn, never to return

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ITT: triggered serenacucks

>>30679577
>personal development
>when only Iris had worse personal and development overall than Dawn

Kill yourself Noddle, you're pathetic

>>30686756

Showing people why nice guys finish last.

>>30686364
That was the point though, unlike May who had no idea what she wanted to do at first and got more confident as she got more into contests, Dawn's mom was a famous coordinator and Dawn fully expected to be instantly great at contests. Part of her character arc was about dealing with failure and learning to work hard.

May > Misty > Dawn > The rest.
Top three girls.

>>30686752
I was like 17 when Gen 4 came out. 3 was shit

>>30686987
>Misty better than anyone
kill you are self

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>>30687010
She was good until she got Togepi.
Much like all women who get pregnant and have a child, after their kid is born no man will touch them because they're marrying the kid then as well.
I should have specified.

May > Pre-Togepi Misty > Dawn > The rest > Post-Togepi Misty

>>30686851
oh i misread your question. her only other goal was pokemon contests

>>30686851
She got way more development than any other female lead before her, though she eventually got a goal similar to May or Dawn. Unlike May or Dawn however, the ultimate point of her character was never to achieve a frivolous goal like winning a contest, it was to discover said goals and understanding them.

>>30687170
>LOL IM GOING TO HOENN BYE FOREVER

>>30687069
>She was good until she got Togepi.
75% of her run was with that egg. Misty is shit.

>>30687170
Her goal is different though.
She wants to make people smile and give them strength through performances, because that's what Ash did for her. He gave her strength and courage to change her neet "give up without even trying" attitude.

>>30686810
Yes, I know the reasons why gen 4 sucks anon. But thanks for reminding me.

>>30687490
She doesn't come to this understanding until very late, which is what I meant by "understanding her goal". At first she thought it was just about becoming Kalos Queen but in the end it was about much more than that.

>>30679660
gen 4 had the worst actual pokemon.
the rest is debatable.

>>30679577
>catches a Buizel she can't train, makes Ash trade his buddy Aipom that is the only Pokemon to go to another region with him that isn't Pikachu, all because it's good at contests
>proceeds to use it as a crutch to win her contests, she failed miserably beforehand at nearly every one
>evolves it
>gives it to some random dude so it can play ping pong after it showed slight interest in it instead of just fucking playing ping pong with it
>proceeds to suck at most contests again until she gets her next crutch in Togekiss, a Pokemon that was a contest vet for many years
>wins bigly at all future contests because of it
Meanwhile Ash turned that Buizel into a NFE wrecking machine that obeyed him and never gave it away. Dawn couldn't train Pokemon to save her life, she just relied on the hard work of others and Pokemon that were naturally good at contests instead of working with difficult ones that she caught herself. She's the anime version of a Stacy Thundercunt.

>>30679660
>Gen 4 was THE golden age of Pokemon when you factor in all forms of media. Games, anime, manga, cards, toys, it was the best.
>Games

>>30687679
It's all debatable since it's purely based on opinion.

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>>30679577
Dawn is the best companion and best girl overall.

>>30688240
Yes, game[s] as in it includes spinoffs

Sinnoh was one of the worst regions. The only one that was worse was Hoenn.

Unova was one of the most boring regions. The only one that was worse was Kalos and Alola

>>30688534
Agreed

>>30688497
Best main girl, comfy snow region, and possibly the best game. Gen 4 had it all.

>>30688616
Oh I agree. I meant to say Kanto. Dunno why I said Sinnoh.

>>30679577
Dawn had more chemistry with Ash compared o Serena

>>30688534
Except SInnoh, which was the worst, obviously.

>>30688737
Yeah, if you're a japanese child who cant get past the Psyducks

>>30688668
Mewtwo.broken psychic type.linear map design.glitches everywhere.nostalgia glasses.

So much speaks against that.gen 1 is total garbage.

>>30688497
So what satisfaction do you get out of being a faggot?

How many of you actually watched the Sinnoh region while it was fucking airing? That shit was 70% filler. Not hating Dawn, but I would hardly call Sinnoh a good anime arc.

>>30688782
Or a human being who doesn't want to have to wait ten minutes between moves

The Sinnoh League was the best anime League and Ash had the best teams in those episodes.

>>30688796
Yeah, I said Kanto was one of the worst, retard.

>>30688811
In what way?

>>30688956
I can understand not liking Sinnoh because of all the HM's you need to get anywhere at all, but Hoenn is top tier. They're both very good regions, so my only assumption is that you're being contrarian because you want someone to notice and reply to you.

>>30688812
I watched it all and call it filler or not it was good filler.they did visit a lot of places it did expand on the game and it was the last anime to have the team in the main story and not some rushed side arc.Loved the touch of them being connected to the lake trio

>>30688833
That's like saying Hoenn is shit because it has no post game. They fixed those problems in Emerald and Platinum.

The Darkrai movie was pure kino.

>>30686469
Her Fennekin was a pussy because she hated mud, then Braxien was assblasted over losing a fucking stick.

>>30688988
They did the connection thing with the game and pokemon special manga too so it wasn't really a touch as much as it just happened.

And being good filler is subjective. Some of it was okay but a lot of it was really generic. It didn't ruin the whole series like BW bad, but I wouldn't consider it an ideal. I am forever salty about it taking a whole year for Ash to get one whole fucking badge like holy shit that's just really bad pacing.

>>30688987
I said earlier I meant to say Kanto is shit and not Sinnoh. And while I was exaggerating my hatred for it, Hoenn really is one of my least favorite regions. It's not that awful though.

>>30688782
I vaguely remember saying something about that in an interview, and it being the reason why they made the Unova map a linear circle. Was that true or am I just imagining things?

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>>30686526
>foeti

>>30688812
I think the show introduced interesting arcs like the development of chimchar and his rivality with electivire and how paul was changing after meeting ash

>>30687941
Phanpy went with him to Kanto desu

>>30687170
>more development than any other female lead before her
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hoenn and Sinnoh are honestly the only good regions
>Kanto is a fucking straight line, it's the forst pokemon game so it's understandable
>same thing for Johto, it improves a bit cover Kanto but not much
And then there's Hoenn
>intricate
>lots of exploration
>even marine exploration (which isn't hard to go thorugh, I legit have no idea why people complain)
>it actually encourages backtracking for secrets
>caves improve a bit
Sinnoh is all of the above bar sea and a pinch of explorations, but the cavea were the best in the franchise. Yes even Mount Coronet, which you might hate, bit objectivelly speaking it's great leveldesign-wise and it's exactlly what the new games need. Kalos and Unova are hot garbage, and Kalos' caves are worse than fucking Kanto's
>circular road
>4 roads going to the same city
Alola has set level design bar higher but couldn't reach it, and again caves are fucking garbage. Luckily it's Gamefreak's first game without grid so they're probably going to improve in the future.

>>30689371
What are you smoking m8 he dropped off Phanpy before going to Hoenn and only picked him back up for the battle frontier. Sinnoh is the only region where he started with 2 Pokemon.

>>30688812
i watched it while it was airing from around half way through, enduring the whole year gap between gyms, and i still enjoyed it

>>30687941
>tfw aqua jet drill
>tfw ash basically taught buizel liquidation 3 gens beforehand

>>30688812
I still enjoyed it, Gible was fun and the league made it all worth it.

>>30682669

Her Piplup literally was the Luigi of the series

>>30679660
Gen 4 games had a shit start. D/P was so slow, almost all the new pokemon was post game, it was slow. Platinum fixed all that and was fantastic though. Minus D/P gen 4 was pretty good. Gen 6 is weak and 7 is kinda weak.

Dawn is cutest girl.

>>30693868
Them's Shauntal's legs.

Anyone remember that FIFTY episodes between gym 7 and 8?

>>30687490
She also admitted that she was a sociopath up to that point who never even bothered caring about other people. And when you're in a kids' show for three years and that's only addressed at the very end, that's an issue.

>>30679752
A lot.

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>>30682771
This. But after SM I believe there will never be a season like this again.

Dawn's miniskirt did things to my dick, but I've come to realize I hate her as a character.

"No need to worry" she says as she does everything wrong, has a shitty non-gym challenge that ruined every episode they touched, and tries to shill the worst starter in history as hard as the actual fucking mascot.

And don't tell me about the japanese dub, it is literally unwatchable with their voices

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Look, I'd fuck the shit out of Dawn, but even with all her 'character development' shit, she's still an incredibly boring character.

Misty was a contemptible cunt, but at least her beating Ash over the head with a log or kicking Brock's teeth in was funny. What's Dawn got? 'Daijoubu!' Wow. It's nothing.

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She was a better companion for Cynthia

>>30697069
>tries to shill the worst starter in history
Cyndaquil is high tier, you monkey

>>30696482
So what? They wrapped other important points in that time.

I swear this thread is made up of serebiifags.

>>30686710
It's alolallele, you retard.

Misty was the only actual real girl she and ash were more natural. She was the only one that wasnt fuckin utterly boring too.

Misty didnt need this contest boring shit, she was actually just a good character that was actually oringally created for the show like brock. Before the writers found out it was just gonna be a soulless money maker with plot that goes nowhere. The 3 had a good thing and ash actually had a funny bro and a tomboy girl. Gen 2 in the show started the shit show though was already not worth wacthing by then.

>>30698767
>she was actually just a good character
>shitty tsundere
>good

My sides

I didn't hate May, but I have to say Dawn's contests were much more interesting. They were actually their own thing, whereas the Hoenn contests were basically battles with sparkles instead of explosions.

>>30697452
Plus ash actually was pretty wacky and had a different personality with misty and brock in season 1. Its why it felt more well written.

>>30698829
Probably felt more well written because you were a child with lower standards

all the nostalgia love for misty here... you cannot talk a tomboy with the personality of a bitch good in any way... i watched the anime since episode 1 did hate every minute i had to put up with her....

>>30686342
>Wishing someone a happy birthday is a sign of attraction
What.

>>30698959
thing is remembering your birthday kinda shows that someone cares about you i mean if you don't mean shit to them they won't remember your birthday anon.

>>30698791
Say what you want but if the asuka of pokemon came back i would actually try it out. Characters like that are fun, you never know when funny shit could go down between the two even when they are older. Every female character after her was plain fucking boring and thats a problem later on when there is no bro like brock.

>>30698868
Nah not when I remember when I stopped wacthing that soulless shit show when season 3 of digimon came out like what everone did. The creator of lain actually tried.

>>30696575
>She also admitted that she was a sociopath
???

>>30699347
She outright says after her impromptu performance that making other people happy never even came up to her. Everything she ever did up to that point was entirely for herself, which certainly explains why she never bothered interacting with Clemont despite traveling with him.

>>30697069
The TPCi dub is unwatchable with their voices, though, the Japanese one is far higher quality. Even the 4Kids dub was better than the current one, and that's when you know, you truly fucked up.